A Reply To Most All Of The Meth Topics

Hello JustOneMOre & Charmed1, I have been reading your posts. Charmed:WOW 10 days. I am so so proud of you, I feel the tears rolling down my cheek. Please keep it up. Even though I have no idea what you are going through I can feel your anxiety. I get my anxiety by not being able to help my husband. I love him so much.

JustOneMore, My husband started doing drugs at a very early age. He was only 12yrs.old. His parents were pot smoker. My father n' law has been clean for over 30yrs. As for my mother n' law, I think she still smokes pot every now & then. My husband use to get high with his mom until, maybe 6 yrs ago. I could deal with the pot. He has also had a problem with cocaine...which I never was aware of. Now, pot gives him a headache and has given up cocaine. His new COD is meth & it has been for over 10yrs. I really was kept in the dark. I have 3 children (16,14 & 9 yrs old). I started talking to my kids @ a very early age ( 5 or 6 yrs) about drugs. The "Say No to Drugs" is not enough, the commercial with the egg frying in a pan...telling you "that is your brain if you do drugs" is not cutting it either, the D.A.R.E program that is tought in 6th grade is a joke. I know all of this because I was the assistant director of this program. They laughed at the material that was handed out & made jokes. This is how I thought my kids. A&E (Cable channel) put out a really excellent documentary on drug abuse several yrs ago. I woke my kids up & made them watch it with me. I want them to learn how it can destroy your life & the life of people that love you. HBO also has a excellent called "America on Crack" (?). They also watched it. Kids need to see reality not a egg frying. But, I am devistated they had to learn through their dad addition. My precious angels feel their dad has abandon them, he loves his drug better than them & they think it is their fault. 2wks after my husband left, he came to visit them for 1 hr. My oldest asked "why did you start using drugs?" his reply was"When you & your brother were born your mom focused all the attention on both of you & I felt left out".(my 2 oldest boys are 16 months apart). I was so pissed when my son told me this. I have done a excellent job with my kids. I have tought them their moral, values, principles & their religion. I tell my boys that " your Dad is not thinking straight,it is the drugs that have affected his brain. As for my Princess ( my 9 yr old daughter), she has no clue about her Daddys' addiction. Sorry I could go on & on about my wonderful kids. God I them love. My message on educating kids on drugs is : Not to pamper it. They need to see the "Real life of an addict"
Well, I must depart. I have to put my munchkins to bed. goodnight, tsr

Thank God for this post
Hey tsr,

Cheers for the congrats, though I was trying to quit P (meth) and Klonopin, it is only P now and cause of my other meds I don't think I will ever be considered "clean," as far as this site goes anyway! But I am happy and I know what I am capable of right now and what I am in the future and that is enough for me.

What your husband said to your son is cruel. That will live in his memory forever. I had something similar said to me by my mum when I was young "your father left because you were such a horrible child" it still hurts and I still believe it. I have child onset bipolar, and I was a horrible child - I guess, I only remember bits. When I asked my mum about it a few years ago she said 'take it as a compliment, you saved us all from having to live with your dad for all these years"

I couldn't believe that she stuck by her comment, which before I had figured just came out in anger in an argument. You will really need to reinforce with your kids that their dad's statement is not true. He needs too also.

It sucks what you are going through, I am writing a book of my daily struggle with bipolar and addiction, something I reckon may show kids the reality of being an addict.

Take care tsr, all the best

nzchick
Hi all, another day of depression and cravings, geeez, it would be so easy to get the bag , get this crap feeling over with and do something with my day besides this!!! Someone remind me why we have to quit, is it really necessary? ya ya ya I know , I'm here instead,I got to admit when I read that I gave some answers to what they were looking for , it felt damn good. I will even go as to say it gave me a feeling better than any drug ever has.I will keep trying and looking for answers then.To stay true to my word about keeping it rolling I think some new topics are in order , will work on that. Cathy, it has to be tough knowing where your son is, and where it is taking him , you do have that one edge , you have been there. my parents may not have discussed drugs with me , but they have always been there,my heart tells me that no matter how bad I got , I had to hold it together to not disgrace their love for me . stay in touch ,we can whip this somehow, together , ts, I have never gotten into violent mode on speed, what the kids father said does put me there.that is so wrong, I pray for your kids to understand the truth ,as adults we are responsible for our own actions only . I got frustrated once at my connection, he knew just how far he could stretch me, I always paid my debts.I said to him "i wish you wouldnt put this in front of me , do you have any idea how over my head you put me?" he looks at me and says "I dont see a broken arm , not even a bruise" and smiles. That was when the light came on , why get mad at him ? I am doing this to myself!! your kids have you and for that they are blessed, I get a kick out of how you are in here posting and you are off to go take care of munchkins....you are ok, I admire your priorities Charmed, my friend (if I may call you that) glad to hear you hit 10, fantastic . I got to tell you , all your feelings , I feel as I quit . and the only drug I got goin is the P A few asthma drugs also but being able to breath is handy. read back a few , remember we talked about this , you will feel this terrible most likely a few more times if you stay off it . 12 pills before goin to bed?? your doc knows all your meds, well so did Elvis's God yes I wish there was a pill to change how I feel , to get me even halfway to what I feel when I do P in terms of mental clarity and feeling of "lets start the day" coughin up blood is not a good sign hun , I am worried for you . I always look forward to see what you have to say , and how you are makin it thru each day . I like the idea of your writing a book . and sharing the reality of what it is like is the best shot at whippin this flyin monkey. you are in my prayers
Hey Justonemore,

Thanks for the post, you can definately call me a friend, I have so much respect for you, if you can quit after years of P then surely I can quit too (one would think lol) I think we have a mutual desire to understand this disease and help others to understand (it and us). I don't mind making the mistakes if someone else is willing to learn from them.......

It has taken me awhile to respond because I got to day 11 but not day 12, shame, but I wasn't quitting for the right reasons, quitting to pay bills and I knew the guy fixing my car would offer some. I only had 3 or 4 puffs, at about 7pm last night, it is now lunchtime and I am still wide awake..... damn he was right!

I'm not really craving more, but I don't wanna go to sleep either. My house has been a mess for the past 11 days, as you can imagine, and now it is looking mighty fine, but tomorrow I will crash for another week and wish I had the energy to cook myself something decent to eat!

I am still coughing but not much is coming up at the moment, I'll take that as a positive sign. How's your asthma? What meds do you take for it? Did pipe usage cause it? I have asthma too, but not bad, i only have attacks when I have bronchitis which I only get if I stay up for days smoking lots of P and ciggies.

12 pills lol... here goes... daily requirements....

For Sinusitis:
1500mg amoxycillin per day (antibiotic)
375mg Clavulanic Acid (antibiotic supporter or something?)
150mg Voltaren (anti inflamatory & Analgesic - (sp?) )
4000mg Paracetamol (over the counter pain killer)

Birth Control/Polycystic Ovary Syndrome - PCOS
100mg Levonorgestrel
20mg Ethinyloestradiol

Bipolar
60mg Citalopram/Celapram/Hydrobromide (antidepressant)
1000mg Lithium Carbonate (mood stabaliser - controls the manic)

Anxiety
2mg Clonazepam/Klonopin (anti anxiety, but am trying to stop these altogether

Insomnia (haha)
15mg Imovane/Zopiclone (sleeping pill)

Plus I have a ventolin inhaler for asthma and anti histamines for allergies but rarely use either.

No wonder I need P to function aye! Well it's as good an excuse as any..... kidding.

How are you doing today? Still standing tall walking straight I hope! I've read a few of your other posts on this board and I think you are truly a blessing from God sent to this board to inform/inspire/question & give true understanding and compassion to those in need of it. Especially for the methamphetamine forum because it was really lacking any true leadership.

I usually post on pain pills - though I've never been addicted to pain pills, but it's where I've found I get the most support and much quicker too! But I have noticed them being overly sensitive and overly critical the last few days, and I don't feel as comfortable posting there anymore (maybe that's me being overly sensitive) but everyone is jumping on everyone and I have wanted to cry for each and every one of them, like the mean things were all aimed at me, but more like knowing how hurt I would feel and feeling for them?? Make sense, now I am just babbling fried freddies..... sorry.... still with me?

umm..... look forward to reading your next post... you rock! (Oh no bad word! Eeeek)

hugs
nzchick
HEY Charmed; awwww, shucks ,thank you so much,for kind words.It does give me a feeling that I can honestly say is better than any drug. I am going for an addiction to that .....hmmmmm, maybe I better not , they'll make helping others a crime then , geeeeez. 11days was great, you were probably just past the worst of physical(or it sure seems like it is ) withdrawl symptoms, after that it is all mental , but since the body doesnt do anything unless the brain is working it is still a long slow road. you knew when you were gonna go over there (I knew too) you would do some . we love it too much to say no .lmao! ya, that is one of fun benefits of going clean a while ,...it seems so much more potent. As for my asthma, I think smokin weed gave me that as I eliminated drugs it came down to those two , pot and p . I used to laff at being too stoned to figure stuff out , and too wired to quit tryin ah yes, all in a nights enertainment any more though one puff of weed and I am hackin and wheezin. P seems to improve it but depends on the type and chef d'jour. some times it does make it worse but it seems to be when stuff isnt cleaned well ,I dunno, never got into the makin of it part.....got enough trouble as it is now besides ,I live in meth capitol of the world it is cheap as heck . when I went thru rehab program 18 years ago they taught that a drug is a drug is a drug . to use any drug will have you off and running on doc. I am no expert particularly, but I doubt our brains know diff, between legal and illegal, so with that cocktail of pills you are taking I would think it harder to withstand the craves. You can do it , I believe in you , you went 11, now do 12. just always try for one more day , then celebrate by slippin off wagon hahaha, if you just think , or talk about quitting , in the blink of an eye.......you'll be turnin 50 and still hooked .I found out today my nephew has been in prison for a year , has another to do . dont know details yet but my guess is selling near a school. last I had heard he was into meth , I have to get , dont sweat not makin day 12 charmed, you will next time . and thanks again for your kind words . oooh , one more thing , since I am headed east soon , I am gonna be on a long dry out , if I dont come in here , throw my words back into my face .I got a feelin you are just the one to cuss me out , put me in my place , I love your spirit , you put words together well , maybe I can find some answers, you can put into words for others to learn . bless you , and evryone else ....laterz
Hey justonemore,

You better not forget us when you move east! And your darn right I'll put you in your place lol. You are great with words too, your message is powerful and you see the humor in it too (and if we don't laugh we'll cry aye!) which I think is really important.

Your words:

I used to laff at being too stoned to figure stuff out , and too wired to quit tryin ah yes, all in a nights entertainment

cracked me up big time. that is both habits down to a tee and I can imagine would be highly entertaining. I can just picture it, good idea for a movie lol. I can't smoke pot because it feels so harsh on my lungs, it hurts and I cough and I put on heaps of weight!!!

your words:

in the blink of an eye.......you'll be turnin 50 and still hooked

Got me though. I always feel like I have time, there will always be tomorrow, I don't dare to think that tomorrow could be 20 years from now, it is that sort of reality check that makes me think about my choices for today, not just for tomorrow. cheers for that I needed to be reminded.

I guess it has been unlucky for you to be living in the meth capital of the world with P so cheap, though right now I consider that lucky due to my lack in judgement lol. it is so darn expensive here, all drugs are. P is about $800 to $1000 a gram ($400 - $500 US) so obviously I can't even afford a gram a week so I spend way too much time coming down and hang out with way more people then I would if I could afford more, if I could afford lots I would sit at home and smoke and not see anyone i think.

I saw a mtv documentry on crystal meth when I was living in the states in 1999, before I had ever tried it and they interviewed this high school kid in California and asked him "How many people in your school do you think use crystal meth" he replied something like "to be totally honest, I think there is probably 1 kid in my whole school that hasn't at least tried it" They also showed prisons in the desert made from tents and barbed wire that housed only meth cooks because they couldn't fit them all the prisons. they said the meth problem is just so, so bad on the west coast.

On the east coast (NJ) I wasn't exposed to it once, lots of people doing pot, E, coke & heroin. In NZ there is not really any heroin (only morphine cooked into heroin which isn't the same, and very few are into it) heroin and needles are still taboo over here. There is no coke or crack either. Or Special K anymore, used to be a bit of that around but no more.. Lots of pot, E's, P & GHB. Not many people on prescription meds and barely any on prescription pain killers, they are reallly hard to get here. Bit of a run down :o)

Some of this is from my introduction to my book, but my opinions have altered a little and am not really sure if I will put this stuff in or not:

How is your cousin? Did you find out the story? they are really harsh on P dealers and cooks here. Maximum of 14 years if in possession of more then 5 grams. It's mad I think. A guy with no licence going double the speed limit killing a 5 year old girl got 1 year. ONE YEAR! If you get caught doing the same but are lucky enough not to cause death you pay a fine or do community service. Similar charges for drinking and driving. But if you get caught with five grams of P its fourteen! Where the hell is the justice in that?

There are a lot of mean, hurtful and evil people out there ruining peoples lives with that intent. When you take drugs often all you are hurting is yourself. And if you sell drugs often all you are doing is helping your friends get stuff that they will get anyway, and to support a drug habit that you have no control of.

I dont know many people who say they were forced to take drugs. I dont even know many dealers pushing to sell drugs. It is the drug addicts that find the dealers. And more people die each year from reckless driving then results of purchasing illegal substances from a dealer. But if you deal and no-one has ever died as a result of your dealing you still get fourteen! Does that make any sense?

A lot of people who take drugs have had hard lives or are lonely and trying to escape reality. They just want to feel happy. They dont want to hurt anyone. I think it is evil to take someone who is hurting and sad and lonely; using the only means they know to feel good; and putting them in jail for fourteen years. Havent they been punished enough? Should it really be a crime to want to be happy? To be desperate for happiness? Does society really think that being depressed in jail for 14 years for trying to be happy will make them a better person? Teach them a lesson? Reform them? I think that most often Punishment is not deserved and is in no way a solution! These people need help, support and education. Why not put them in rehab, n/a, try prescription medication, counselling or schooling. It makes me so angry! Hurting someone who is obviously already hurting is pure evil.

Soooooo anyway.........................

How has your day been so far? I got on the rinse (our slang term for GHB) last night with some mates, I rinsed out for like an hour and they didn't put me on the couch or anything and I woke up woth such a sore neck (was just sitting on a regular dining room chair) apart from that had a pretty good night, only had a few hours sleep and still going, rinse helps the comedown of P alot.

Anyway, hope you are well and happy, post me soon!

nzchick

ps I take so long for your responses cause I have so much to say in reply that I try to read all the other posts first..... :o)
Charmed ......took me a while to get up off floor when you said what it costs ,....easy old man ...pace yourself . I wont even tell ya what it runs here , well it has gone up , but for a long time .....dang not goin there will get too many young minds thinkin bad thoughts , going to drop a quick word here to say I will be back in a few hours but now have much to do , no, I am not walking tall now, but I am flying low ....does that count ?? have nailed down my plans for next weekend headin outta here . so as you might expect from one like myself , am on a final run (I hope I didnt just jinx myself)have lots to get into storage , loose ends tightened , then friday morn headin over to spend time with my mom. then off into exile , since I dont write in journals , I am hoping to maybe drop a few lines (??!!!??) in here as to whats goin on , how I am feelin , and ya, if after 35 years I can quit .....ANYBODY can!!if this time I dont make it then I will have no choice but to turn to inhouse program , but being a manly man, I dont need help....cough , cough, ya , right . got to go , take care all
I just did a search on most viewed posts of all time and thought I'd bump some of them up (ones that weren't locked and ones that had no recent posts) cause I figure they gotta be informative or interesting to get so many hits. :o)
I come in here tonight for the 1st time actually seeking info that I might better help my daughter whom I've just now discovered is heavily into drugs, even tho I've suspected it for yrs now. But. . . I'm just so confused with all this drug jargon, that I can't really make heads nor tails of what it's all about yet! She's 40yrs old, past that age that I'd think one would have dabbled enough in it to be hooked by now, but evidently not. We don't know what to do, she's into denial big time, or at least still denying it us. Once she was picked up & put into jail of course we knew then the jig was up & what was going on, but someone bailed her out thus enabling her to continue right on with what she's been doing all along, so now we look for her to run, probably won't even show up for her court date. Does family intervention ever work in these cases, does anyone even know? If so, how do we go about it, what do we do? We're all sure she'll never agree to a rehab on her own, she's far too adamant about admitting to us she even does drugs! We can't just sit idly by & watch her continue to destroy herself. . .undefined can we? We're all very frightened, we want to help, it's just that none of us really even know how! Yet we do know that drug addiction doesn't necessarily mean one is a bad person, that the 'blame' doesn't expecially fall on one person or the next, we're not even condemming her here. . . we just want to do what we can, while we still can. Isn't there someone out there, anyone, that may can help us? I've read so many of these posts, and interesting as they all are, even informative as they all are, I've yet to read of one that actually gives some bonafide step-by-step instructions here for the novice families like myself! Where ARE these people? I'm just now even learning the Internet for that matter, learning how to conquer this danged computer! Can't someone help an old lady out here? Please.......anyone? I would so appreciate it. Granted, I'm out of sync with today's young people, but I am willing to learn. . . my daughter needs help, she needs it now. I may not be around just a whole lot longer. Who's going to take up her cause then? Not many I fear. . .
years softears, From my experience, as an addict and in recovery, addicts rarely stay clean for others. They usually have to be sick and tired of their lives. I've met a few in n.a. who went into treatment and recovery because of legal issues and have stayed in recovery. An intervention, I believe, only works if the addict is ready. You should make her aware that you love her and are willing to help her. I hope all goes well. Linda
From what I gather you are not even sure of what she is taking , is that right?? If you click into the "main categories" page . There is a topic titled "parents and partners of addicts" click into there and ask away . there is no reason to feel you are lost , or out of touch . I commend you for seeking help . And what you already seem to know or just learned is right on .....

From a 50 year old recovering addict I can say drugs know no age limits or boundaries . Information and surrounding yourself with people who understand what you are going through is your most powerful tool .

I am sorry you have to go through this , your daughter is blessed to have a caring family ...

be strong ....AL
SOME TIME AGO I SAW A DOCUMETARY ON A MAN ADDICTED TO GHB REALLY INTRESTED IN FINDING OUT WHERE I MIGHT FIND SOME INFO ON THISzaldinerfamily@unitz.ca