I've got a cousin who has had many,many back surgeries.For over 25 years he has been prescribed some kind of opiod and it has been very helpful for him.I also have a friend who is a recovering opiod addict who feels that they all should be banned.
I think it is very important to remember that addiction has nothing to do with drugs,but rather our reaction to them.Some react to one drug and not another.Recovery begins when we stop blaming and start discovering.
I realize Na has been very helpful to many,including myself.Although there is no scientific evidence,they strongly recommend no mood altering drugs because of cross addiction and leading one back to drug of choice.OH BOY...am I starting a closed thread?
Okay...be patient..LOL...in early recovery I discovered many would want my recovery to be just like theirs.Recovery is simple,just don't use any mood altering substances.In a perfect world this certainly would work.
When I spent my lovely 6 month vacation in the state hospital,my eyes were opened to a whole new world! Ever seen a parnoid scitzophrenic that's not medicated?Ever seen a panic attack where someone was screaming and out of control?Ever seen some so depressed they try suicide?
Now...why does it upset some people when others may use an anti-depressant,or anti-anxiety meds.Or for that matter if someone has a drink now and again.I personally don't drink alcohol...I can't stand the taste,so I was never a social drinker.
I have seen people really get frailed at the fact that someone else is doing something they feel is wrong.Who am I to judge what someone else can and cannot do.
If someone comes to this board and says they have a drink or a joint onnce in awhile,or are on anti-depressants,or anti-anxiety,It doesn't bother me.If nothing else it makes me that more grateful.I don't live in their body,so I don't know what they go through.
God has shown me so much compassion and because of it,I tend to be more compassionate towards others.I try and get past the drugs and the reasons or excuses which ever it may be and get to know that person.It's hard to do on a recovery board.
I am more concerned about what I have to offer another addict.Do I offer hope?Do you offer hope?Just something to think about.
My dad used to call it "recovered whores." Like people that quit smoking, and scream at you when you do. I can't understand when people get so judgemental...I think sometimes to be safe as a recovering person, people often feel like they have to hate all substances.
Personally, I loved my pills till they kicked my a**. But, today, I have accepted the dreadful fate if I go back...I end up right back where I left off.
Personally, I loved my pills till they kicked my a**. But, today, I have accepted the dreadful fate if I go back...I end up right back where I left off.
littlebeach,
hahaha i like that recovered whores, thats a colorful word for passionate hehehe
terrianne
hahaha i like that recovered whores, thats a colorful word for passionate hehehe
terrianne
There is nothing inherently wrong with opiates, unless of course you are an addict.
The reason that NA members are against alcohol and other mind altering substances is because NA is a program of total abstiennce. You can't knock members for sticking to the values of the group. Its an organisation based on total abstinence, not simply one based on your drug of choice.
Incidentally I have never seen anyone say that you shouldn't be on anti-depressants for depression.
For many addicts, alcohol and other drugs weaken the resolve of the individual and make it easier to relapse to their drug of choice.
If you honestly have zero trouble with alcohol and drinking never opens the gate to a relapse, and you only want to treat your pain pill addiction, go to Pills Anonymous.
The reason that NA members are against alcohol and other mind altering substances is because NA is a program of total abstiennce. You can't knock members for sticking to the values of the group. Its an organisation based on total abstinence, not simply one based on your drug of choice.
Incidentally I have never seen anyone say that you shouldn't be on anti-depressants for depression.
For many addicts, alcohol and other drugs weaken the resolve of the individual and make it easier to relapse to their drug of choice.
If you honestly have zero trouble with alcohol and drinking never opens the gate to a relapse, and you only want to treat your pain pill addiction, go to Pills Anonymous.
I think most people are sharing their experience. Personally, I have learned so much from other people sharing from their heart. Comapassion, patience, those are definitely virtuous traits. I think we are all striving for those. I know what has and has not worked for me. That is all I can offer.
Rachel
I'm with Rachel..it's all about sharing. If it comes across as judgmental then maybe that's on the person who feels judged. Abstinence is the opposite of what I did with pain pills, alcohol, pot, cocaine etc...it keeps me clean and guess what? I don't have to keep guessing if I did something wrong or not.
Never have I seen it said in NA that you shouldn't take ant-depressants or anti-pyschotic meds. That would be just plain stupid.
Never have I seen it said in NA that you shouldn't take ant-depressants or anti-pyschotic meds. That would be just plain stupid.
I agree, I have never been told that you cannot take Anti-depressants in NA/AA. I thought we were all clear on that. I guess not. My experience is, the people who were doing drugs like I did drugs (that I know personally) have not been able to drink or smoke pot. I do have friends who have been sober for 25 years and are in their early 40's.
Rachel
I don't judge anyone for smoking a joint or drinking or taking anti depressants or anything else (unless they have the edacity to do it in front of my children or discuss it in their pressence) In fact, I don't even judge those still in active addiction. How could I? I was them.
Several people actually recommended ad's to me when I started recovery. I tried them but they made me feel wierd. I wasn't depressed, I just had to adjust to sobriety after so many years using.
I believe for people like myself, there is no other way besides total abstinance from mood altering drugs of any kind.
I have an addictive personality!
I am not safe any other way. When you see people advocating total abstinance it's because we know we have no choice.
That doesn't mean we may not face situations where prescribed medications are necessary. We're human. We have surgeries and injuries. We just have to use the tools we've been taught and maintain vigorous honesty.
And believe me, that's not as easy as it sounds.
Love, Kat
Several people actually recommended ad's to me when I started recovery. I tried them but they made me feel wierd. I wasn't depressed, I just had to adjust to sobriety after so many years using.
I believe for people like myself, there is no other way besides total abstinance from mood altering drugs of any kind.
I have an addictive personality!
I am not safe any other way. When you see people advocating total abstinance it's because we know we have no choice.
That doesn't mean we may not face situations where prescribed medications are necessary. We're human. We have surgeries and injuries. We just have to use the tools we've been taught and maintain vigorous honesty.
And believe me, that's not as easy as it sounds.
Love, Kat
Hi Bish
How are you feeling these days? I Hpe things are improving every day
Your question was interesting to me & just wanted to share my opinion
On the preface of this board, in very large caption It reads addiction is a disease of the brain.
Medicine, ALL medicine for the most part, has been around forever, Pain pills certainly at the top of the list.
For people without the disease of the brain, called addiction, Medicine including pain pills are a Godsend.........But for us on this board, we are addicts therefore, pain pills for us are bad, & we have a responsability to ourselves to do whatever it takes not to take them.
Yes there will be those of us who suffer from cronic Pain, and in the case of legit pain & only used as directed, I Don't consider this a relapse.
For any other reason, we are addicts & yes pain pills are bad, when being used to treat the disease of the brain known as ADDICTION
Just my opinion
Dottie
How are you feeling these days? I Hpe things are improving every day
Your question was interesting to me & just wanted to share my opinion
On the preface of this board, in very large caption It reads addiction is a disease of the brain.
Medicine, ALL medicine for the most part, has been around forever, Pain pills certainly at the top of the list.
For people without the disease of the brain, called addiction, Medicine including pain pills are a Godsend.........But for us on this board, we are addicts therefore, pain pills for us are bad, & we have a responsability to ourselves to do whatever it takes not to take them.
Yes there will be those of us who suffer from cronic Pain, and in the case of legit pain & only used as directed, I Don't consider this a relapse.
For any other reason, we are addicts & yes pain pills are bad, when being used to treat the disease of the brain known as ADDICTION
Just my opinion
Dottie
I'm not sure why this issue of who's judging who keeps coming up. No one is judging anyone...haven't seen anyone say they are judging anyone either.
It's just opinions and facts about our own recoveries, not judgment.
Cowgirl
It's just opinions and facts about our own recoveries, not judgment.
Cowgirl
