Hi all. I just took 3 vics after dental treatment. They had to extract a tooth. I have been cutting wwwwaaaayyy back on the ultramm, also, am down to 2 a day.
I lost it today at the pharmacy. The one I went to isn't my normal one; I didn't want those people who know my struggle with this stuff see me.
BUT THE TOOTH HURTS SO DAMN BAD...
I think that I messed up my own pain receptors with the ultramm...I haven't been feeling all that great, but coping.
I lost it because it hurt so bad.....and the pharmacy is sooooooooo slow...
Also, pms, and being alone with kids...
I cut myself off from my huge supply with my dr, so there isn't any going back.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THINKING ABOUT ONE LITTLE PILL,,,,,DON'T EVEN DO IT....I AM NOT TAKING THESE TO GET HIGH.....
BUT BECAUSE THEY STOPPED WORKING, YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK TO FEELING GOOD...I FEEL LOST, SCATTERED, AND TOTALLY DEPRESSED. SO FOR ALL MY FRIENDS OUT THERE THAT THINK ONE WILL MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD...IT WON'T NEITHER WILL 20...TRUST ME ON THIS ONE...
I must admit, I feel so alone in this world right now....Being a single working parent seems so hopeless...maybe it is pms, but I want to drive off a bridge.
I tried to explain that vicoden doesn't work on me to the dentist...he gave me the 5/500s, he told me to take 2 then. I didn't say to him, dumbass, I used to take 25 mgs just for a headache...
But, please, take it from me...don't do it. It isn't worth it. I didn't do it to relpase, it was medically needed but I learned a lesson..I HATE THIS FEELING NOW...Now I rememeber why I quit..
kerry
Do I have to start over now on my time? I am not abusing them...
kerry
kerry
no offence i understand that u r in pain but i had two root cannals and three theeth pulled all in one day i lived with the pain on 800 mgs of motrin, you just relearsed your addiction all over again my friend, please i do not mean to be rude but i have been there done that all to many times and as they say one pill is to many and thousand is never enough, straight up truth!! much luv fellow addict..
littlebeach you and i must be from the same mold not only do I have to have a tooth pulled but I want to drive off a bridge some days hang in there i am i don't know how much time you had clean but if you have to start over counting the days atleast the wd won't be bad
atoz if you are peeking in keep fighting and how much metal do you have in you
atoz if you are peeking in keep fighting and how much metal do you have in you
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Hi,
I was just reading this thread, and although I don't know too much about sub.,
methadone etc.. I agree with M on this one. If someone is Honestly taking this medecine or any for that matter while in recovery for pain, then that person is clean in my book as well. There are cases where a non-narcotic will not work. So for example, if I take 1 percocet for my kidney stones to ease the pain thats not a relapse, if I say f--k it and say I need 5 thats a relapse. It's a touchy subject, but there are exceptions. If I take a urine test after taking 1 pill
sure it'll show up but does that mean I used? If I say I have pain and don't, and take 1 then yes, I'd say so because it was just to take it. It boils down to, it's myself I have to live with, I don't need someone else to tell me I'm clean or not.
I know right from wrong, if I should ever do the wrong thing I'm the one that has to live with it. So, Paul, if your intentions are pure and you've honestly tried other alternatives to no avail, then with a doctors help and assistance in my opinion, thats not using and your "clean" meaning, not using for ulterior motives. Good luck to you, it's your opinion and only yours that matters when it comes to yourself, being a man with as much faith in God as you seem to have
it's on you. If you have to keep justifying it to yourself, it's then I'd think twice.
Take care...................................God bless.....................................Bob
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Hi,
I was just reading this thread, and although I don't know too much about sub.,
methadone etc.. I agree with M on this one. If someone is Honestly taking this medecine or any for that matter while in recovery for pain, then that person is clean in my book as well. There are cases where a non-narcotic will not work. So for example, if I take 1 percocet for my kidney stones to ease the pain thats not a relapse, if I say f--k it and say I need 5 thats a relapse. It's a touchy subject, but there are exceptions. If I take a urine test after taking 1 pill
sure it'll show up but does that mean I used? If I say I have pain and don't, and take 1 then yes, I'd say so because it was just to take it. It boils down to, it's myself I have to live with, I don't need someone else to tell me I'm clean or not.
I know right from wrong, if I should ever do the wrong thing I'm the one that has to live with it. So, Paul, if your intentions are pure and you've honestly tried other alternatives to no avail, then with a doctors help and assistance in my opinion, thats not using and your "clean" meaning, not using for ulterior motives. Good luck to you, it's your opinion and only yours that matters when it comes to yourself, being a man with as much faith in God as you seem to have
it's on you. If you have to keep justifying it to yourself, it's then I'd think twice.
Take care...................................God bless.....................................Bob
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TO my sweetie it is hard being asingle mom you are strong i no you are and pms is believe me is 99 per cent of the problem you will be fine and i wish to god i felt like when i take those pills like shi,,, but I still feel good when Itake them in time I will stop I pray all dat all nite for strenght love you sweetie
LittleBeach, AA has not opinion on this as it is an outside issue. I can tell you that I have taken hydroncodone in connection with dental surgurey and I did not reset my time. I should also tell you that unlike most of the people on this board, I found my bottom on a different drug of choice. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
I have always taken a number of precautions when dealing with pain meds.
First, I let my sponsor know what I am up to. Secrets will kill us.
Second, I never take more than what is prescribed. If necessary, I keep written records to assure that I take only as prescribed and never more than needed.
Many folks place the meds in the hands of a trusted sponsor or friend; I never did this, and it was never a problem for me. To each his own.
Essentially, this issue is one of motive. Now, this is not to say that we do not have a lot of mixed emotions even when we take them for pain, but at least in AA, there has never been a policy of demanding that people forego valid medical treatment simply for the sake of being sober.
I might add that I had a lot of dental problems a year before my cancer woes began. I think my immune system shut down and I had a lot of dental work get infected. We had to pull out $10k worth of root canals and bridgework, and cut out a lot of infected bone. It was the most miserable three weeks I have ever endured. Each of us has a different experience with pain, and I think part of our journey into recovery is accepting the responsibility to deal with that pain appropriately.
I hope some of this helps. Hang in there, gal.
August
I have always taken a number of precautions when dealing with pain meds.
First, I let my sponsor know what I am up to. Secrets will kill us.
Second, I never take more than what is prescribed. If necessary, I keep written records to assure that I take only as prescribed and never more than needed.
Many folks place the meds in the hands of a trusted sponsor or friend; I never did this, and it was never a problem for me. To each his own.
Essentially, this issue is one of motive. Now, this is not to say that we do not have a lot of mixed emotions even when we take them for pain, but at least in AA, there has never been a policy of demanding that people forego valid medical treatment simply for the sake of being sober.
I might add that I had a lot of dental problems a year before my cancer woes began. I think my immune system shut down and I had a lot of dental work get infected. We had to pull out $10k worth of root canals and bridgework, and cut out a lot of infected bone. It was the most miserable three weeks I have ever endured. Each of us has a different experience with pain, and I think part of our journey into recovery is accepting the responsibility to deal with that pain appropriately.
I hope some of this helps. Hang in there, gal.
August
Thank you, guys, and August.
Yspearing, hang in there. I read your other post, and you will get there when you are ready.. It just stopped working for me, and today reminded me of that.
Honestly, there was no alterior motive. I cracked half of a tooth that had already had a root canal. They went in today to extract the root part, way up inside. And when thedr was giving the script to me, there was no joy, only oh s***. I don't even want to deal with this again. I don't like the way they make me feel. I hate it. That is why I got sober.
The good news is that I get a "falsie" in 4 days, so I won't look like I have a missing tooth anymore, until they can do a bridge. I have a pretty decent smile, and have issues with missing teeth...no offense...but it makes me really feel like an addict...
August, my friend, you have been through so much. God has a plan for you, you offer so much hope and learning. Here is a hug for you if you haven't gotten one today.. Part of the reason that I lsot it is because I am alone...I hate to go through things like this because there is no one around...or actually, and honestly, I just don't call the people I need to. But when you feel that s***ty, I don't feel like calling anyone.
Hope you all are well...and please, take it from me, a former 20 a day norco popper that hit a spiritual bottom,,,,,,IT JUST DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE TO FEEL GOOD...IT SUCKS..
KERRY
Yspearing, hang in there. I read your other post, and you will get there when you are ready.. It just stopped working for me, and today reminded me of that.
Honestly, there was no alterior motive. I cracked half of a tooth that had already had a root canal. They went in today to extract the root part, way up inside. And when thedr was giving the script to me, there was no joy, only oh s***. I don't even want to deal with this again. I don't like the way they make me feel. I hate it. That is why I got sober.
The good news is that I get a "falsie" in 4 days, so I won't look like I have a missing tooth anymore, until they can do a bridge. I have a pretty decent smile, and have issues with missing teeth...no offense...but it makes me really feel like an addict...
August, my friend, you have been through so much. God has a plan for you, you offer so much hope and learning. Here is a hug for you if you haven't gotten one today.. Part of the reason that I lsot it is because I am alone...I hate to go through things like this because there is no one around...or actually, and honestly, I just don't call the people I need to. But when you feel that s***ty, I don't feel like calling anyone.
Hope you all are well...and please, take it from me, a former 20 a day norco popper that hit a spiritual bottom,,,,,,IT JUST DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE TO FEEL GOOD...IT SUCKS..
KERRY
Hi Kerry:
My dear friend, you are not alone although I know how that feels. I'm glad you posted. I think a lot of us deal with this stuff, feeling overwhelmed and alone. You do have a lot on your plate, being a single, working mother. You are being honest about your pain and that's all we can do is try to practice rigorous honesty.
Peace,
My dear friend, you are not alone although I know how that feels. I'm glad you posted. I think a lot of us deal with this stuff, feeling overwhelmed and alone. You do have a lot on your plate, being a single, working mother. You are being honest about your pain and that's all we can do is try to practice rigorous honesty.
Peace,
I wish i could give you my number so we could talk .. your NOT I MEAN MY SWEETE not alone you have me and all the others ok we love you big huggggggggggggggggggggggggggg lovr yspearing
Hi Kerry,
I have unfortunately proven to myself, over time, that I can not dispense my own pain medication, whether in early sobriety, 2 years, or 5 years. Pain meds are a primary addiction for me, like alcohol, only more insidious (for me). It's like playing with fire. I have had to accept that I cannot control my thinking sufficiently once the pills are in my system. They unleash the full-blown addictive thinking....rationalizations like "I'm a big guy, I need more than 2," or "I have a really high tolerance, so I need more than the average person," or "getting a second scrip is ok...enough...b/c it's for a legitimate physical condition, whether I feel pain or not...a freebie." And once I cross that line, the slip has started for me ..... it may take months, or years, to fully develop, but the seed is planted. You know what I mean? Two months ago when I had knee surgery I gave the scrip to my wife to dispense, even though it made me feel infantile. If I hadn't, I would have slipped, I'm embarassed to say. No question. The thinking was triggered. Anyway, that's been my experience. I hope you don't have to repeat it. I hope there is someone in your life that could help you with the scrips if you find yourself in this situation again. Love, M.
I have unfortunately proven to myself, over time, that I can not dispense my own pain medication, whether in early sobriety, 2 years, or 5 years. Pain meds are a primary addiction for me, like alcohol, only more insidious (for me). It's like playing with fire. I have had to accept that I cannot control my thinking sufficiently once the pills are in my system. They unleash the full-blown addictive thinking....rationalizations like "I'm a big guy, I need more than 2," or "I have a really high tolerance, so I need more than the average person," or "getting a second scrip is ok...enough...b/c it's for a legitimate physical condition, whether I feel pain or not...a freebie." And once I cross that line, the slip has started for me ..... it may take months, or years, to fully develop, but the seed is planted. You know what I mean? Two months ago when I had knee surgery I gave the scrip to my wife to dispense, even though it made me feel infantile. If I hadn't, I would have slipped, I'm embarassed to say. No question. The thinking was triggered. Anyway, that's been my experience. I hope you don't have to repeat it. I hope there is someone in your life that could help you with the scrips if you find yourself in this situation again. Love, M.
I know exactly what you mean. I am really not afraid, though, because it is a small amount and I cut myself off from living on them...
kerry
kerry
