I used to post on here a while back,got myself sorted out(or so i thought!) was on a maintenance program on sub.........then started using again on top of 4mg of sub.it all seemed ok for a while,like it usually does,kidding myself i could deal with it and would stop......well fast forward 7 months and now i am trying to stop after doing 3-4 bags a day,trying to hide it from everybody,lieing and decieving.i have managed to hold onto my job....just...oh what have i done?
any one else been stupid enough to use on sub.
hello to everyone i used to post to
hi i am new person on this so dont know you from before but i rear your post i just battling at moment had 4 weeks clean on a 45ml meth script then went back for 4 week then did a week clean and went back again and here i am agian with fist day today clean for last 2 weeks can you get yous subt upped to help you stop using again if you done it once you can do it again and only done it on meth and was not physical ill just mental part hard i am thinkind about tryiny to get down to 30ml meth cause on 45ml at moment cause when down to 30ml can go on to subt was you ill
Your not stupid my friend.....your HUMAN! It's Darin my friend.....hang in there and just pick up the pieces and try to get back on track!
HI darin,long time no speak...i am feeling bad at the moment,took 8mg of sub this morning....badly sick....i have read somewhere that if you use heroin on sub for a while it can cause ongoing problems?scared of having anymore
wow,it is really slow on here these days.....i am after advice or help from anyone else silly enough to use heroin while on sub....dont know whether i am just kicking what gear i had in my system out or getting w/d's everytime i am using sub...help!
Morning
My husband used on top of sub. He walked right onto it without stopping it when he was on a low dose, but once he adjusted up much higher to stop the cravings and in hopes to stop the need to use...he would use right on top but then stop the stub and continue the H....Then he played with the use, kick for 12 to whatever hours, go back on sub...to start all over.
You got a doctor you can talk to...
And also go here and read, it is the best place I know for anyone on sub.
naabt
I am not sure why you are sick but I could take lots of guesses. How sick are you after you take the sub, like within minutes you are in like full on wd...
Did you leave enough time and allow yourself to be in moderate to severe wd before you dosed with sub again? This is probably the most important thing and might be why you are getting sick.
I am not sure of long term effects but having seen my husband do this it looks as if he hasn't suffered to much for screwing around on it.He did get back on track and it is probably over 2 years and the sub did work as it was suppose to once he stopped using with it and got back onto just the sub.
Good luck!
Love,
Tina
My husband used on top of sub. He walked right onto it without stopping it when he was on a low dose, but once he adjusted up much higher to stop the cravings and in hopes to stop the need to use...he would use right on top but then stop the stub and continue the H....Then he played with the use, kick for 12 to whatever hours, go back on sub...to start all over.
You got a doctor you can talk to...
And also go here and read, it is the best place I know for anyone on sub.
naabt
I am not sure why you are sick but I could take lots of guesses. How sick are you after you take the sub, like within minutes you are in like full on wd...
Did you leave enough time and allow yourself to be in moderate to severe wd before you dosed with sub again? This is probably the most important thing and might be why you are getting sick.
I am not sure of long term effects but having seen my husband do this it looks as if he hasn't suffered to much for screwing around on it.He did get back on track and it is probably over 2 years and the sub did work as it was suppose to once he stopped using with it and got back onto just the sub.
Good luck!
Love,
Tina
Hi tina,
thanks for the post,i think i had taken the sub too early being honest,i had been messing around with the gear and sub for a while,using sub in the morning and when it was wearing off using the gear,i could go days without the gear and feel ok,the last few weeks though i was using 4mgs of sub in the morning and 3-4 bags of gear through the day......it caught me by surprise as is the case!i have taken 16mg so far today and apart from the restlessness and aches i don't feel too bad.....was very scared this morning....no pain no gain as they say.hopefully i will be better tomorrow,back at work on thursday although i am prepared to ring in sick if need be
thanks for the post,i think i had taken the sub too early being honest,i had been messing around with the gear and sub for a while,using sub in the morning and when it was wearing off using the gear,i could go days without the gear and feel ok,the last few weeks though i was using 4mgs of sub in the morning and 3-4 bags of gear through the day......it caught me by surprise as is the case!i have taken 16mg so far today and apart from the restlessness and aches i don't feel too bad.....was very scared this morning....no pain no gain as they say.hopefully i will be better tomorrow,back at work on thursday although i am prepared to ring in sick if need be
it really is quiet on here,where is everyone?Its 6pm here,got through the day reasonably ok,took more sub and havent been ill so i think i may have cracked it,will have some more in the morning,i know i won't sleep tonight but i am ready for it.
Hi there mate and welcome , i am on 12 mg of subutex a day and have been since the start of march , twice in the past i was on a subutex detox ie start at 16mg then over the space of a month you get reduced down then after the month you get put on naltrexone which is just a blocker , but i never made it that far as i continued using H ontop of my subutex and got kicked off the course after 3 weeks both times , thing was i was a smoker and although there is no blocker in subutex you still dont get any hit from smoking a couple of bags on top atleast i never so i wasn't feeling the benefit from the subutex and i was wasting money on gear .I know you can smoke ontop of subutex but as i've just said i found it pointless in hind sight but if you dig ontop of subutex you can and probably will feel ill, what dossage are you on? i find if you can wait till your vibrating then take 8mg or whatever your doc prescribed you'll be fine within an hour and it should hold you easy 24 hours , hope you get things sorted out PEACEOUT!!!paul
hi there stpauli,feel much better,its 8pm here in england,did another 4mg half hour ago ready for tomorrow,actually ate something....certainly learnt my lesson messing around on sub,i am prescribed 8mg a day and was doing less than 4mg and topping up,think you can get away with it for a while,before i knew it 4 bag a day habit already,luckily my keyworker has been brilliant,kept me on the program,got to go for weekly urine tests but its for the best.told me to take 16mg for 2 days,12mg for 2 then back to 8mg a day.i am getting the sweats etc but it is nothing to what i could get,i will post again tomorrow........where is everyone?
well its 9.30pm,been a long day,feel ok at the moment,happy watching house on sky.....hit the 30hour mark and don't feel that bad....can't get over it,after this morning i thought it was going to be 3-4 days of pure hell,looks like i got off luckier than i thought....will post again tomorrow,hopefully more people will be about,bye for now
p.s Darin if you are about just want to let you know that i went to a hed kandi do last week,just remembered you were into it.
p.s Darin if you are about just want to let you know that i went to a hed kandi do last week,just remembered you were into it.
hi ruprect and any body else i live in england too i just put post in clean 2 days pay day toms help i get meth script with lifeline but when i use my worker makes me pick up daily supervised and i work full time looking after children so can just manage to get to chemist before it shuts but if any peolpe or kids parents in i know i fu**ed cause no body knows my past i also feel my worker is not understanding or helpfull but dont know any other place to go for help pls write back
Morning a reason,stay strong,if you are picking up daily from the chemist and have a keyworker then if you keep giving clean urines you will get weekly pickups,you have to have something to aim for,i have read your post on the other thread and it seems your partner is dragging you down.....you need to make some difficult decisions...good luck.
As for me its 10 am in sunny blighty and i feel ok,not a lot of sleep and i feel like i have been 12 rounds with tyson but apart from that not bad at all,have done 8mg this morning and will do 4mg later...keep you posted
As for me its 10 am in sunny blighty and i feel ok,not a lot of sleep and i feel like i have been 12 rounds with tyson but apart from that not bad at all,have done 8mg this morning and will do 4mg later...keep you posted
Hang in there my friend!
I miss the old Hed Kandi....the disc's they are putting out are WAY to commercial! How are their parties??
I miss the old Hed Kandi....the disc's they are putting out are WAY to commercial! How are their parties??
hi Darin,don't feel to bad,very achey etc but ok....yep i'm afraid to say you are right,its all gone commercial,plus i feel very old at these things now!only went to keep a friend company,i miss the old days especially the old free parties i used to go too....the 90's were unbeatable...some of the free parties went on for a week especially the spiral tribe and circus warp systems...god i feel old now!!
Hope you are well,catch up soon.
Hope you are well,catch up soon.
Hey brother
I remember you- -you were gone for quite a while. Glad you found your way back. I lot of people on these boards relapse, and then are never heard from again
welcomehome
jack
Glad my story of 4-5 yrs ago got you motivated > - that's a compliment & good for my sagging unemployed ego
I remember you- -you were gone for quite a while. Glad you found your way back. I lot of people on these boards relapse, and then are never heard from again
welcomehome
jack
Glad my story of 4-5 yrs ago got you motivated > - that's a compliment & good for my sagging unemployed ego
mistake
Hi Jack,
(sorry that always amuses me,my sons name is jack!)
sorry to hear you are unemployed.You always seemed to have wise words for people when it mattered.your post about a day in the life of a dope sick junkie always serves as a reminder of what happens when the heroin honeymoon is over and the next stage is divorce.recently i was getting pretty close agaain,driving to see people with no fuel,actually running out and walking 2-3 miles to the petrol station,leaving my phone or whatever behind to get a few quids worth of fuel just to get into town,i had on the smack blinckers very tight!
this is the 3rd day off the gear for me,don't feel bad at all,got a meeting with my keyworker in a while,start going over my plan to get off everything.they have started an inpatient thing here where you get down low on the sub and go in for 12 days,they get you off and you leave on naltraxone,seems like the best course for me.
Jack
the only advice i can give you is on the work front go where ever the work is and do whatever you gotta do,as long as you are working you will feel better about yourself,especially if you have worked most of your life,it will keep your mind occupied,i know you are still on the juice but i have friends over here on it and they are getting work,the stigma does'nt seem as bad now.
i have been very lucky over the years,i had 2 long stints at large companies and over the last few years i have had to move jobs 4 times to find the right one.........Believe in yourself jack,you are an intelligent bloke and i'm sure there is a job out there for you!
Whatever you do stay strong!
i will be back later
(sorry that always amuses me,my sons name is jack!)
sorry to hear you are unemployed.You always seemed to have wise words for people when it mattered.your post about a day in the life of a dope sick junkie always serves as a reminder of what happens when the heroin honeymoon is over and the next stage is divorce.recently i was getting pretty close agaain,driving to see people with no fuel,actually running out and walking 2-3 miles to the petrol station,leaving my phone or whatever behind to get a few quids worth of fuel just to get into town,i had on the smack blinckers very tight!
this is the 3rd day off the gear for me,don't feel bad at all,got a meeting with my keyworker in a while,start going over my plan to get off everything.they have started an inpatient thing here where you get down low on the sub and go in for 12 days,they get you off and you leave on naltraxone,seems like the best course for me.
Jack
the only advice i can give you is on the work front go where ever the work is and do whatever you gotta do,as long as you are working you will feel better about yourself,especially if you have worked most of your life,it will keep your mind occupied,i know you are still on the juice but i have friends over here on it and they are getting work,the stigma does'nt seem as bad now.
i have been very lucky over the years,i had 2 long stints at large companies and over the last few years i have had to move jobs 4 times to find the right one.........Believe in yourself jack,you are an intelligent bloke and i'm sure there is a job out there for you!
Whatever you do stay strong!
i will be back later
not been on because did 2 days then pay day and ended up using some body told me that if you get down to 30ml of meth and then go 2 days with out meth you can start taking subtex is that true cause subutex is a part blocker so would rather be on subutex if any body knows answer pls replay luv to all and well done to all who are clean or even if you trying we all mess up now and then
A reason,
dont beat yourself up,you are right,get on the sub if possible,you have to be serious about stopping though,you need to get a plan in place,get some help.
dont beat yourself up,you are right,get on the sub if possible,you have to be serious about stopping though,you need to get a plan in place,get some help.
