When my Bf has had two weeks of recovery from his surgery I am planning on going back into detox. I came to this decision because I feel mentally tortured by my own guilty memories and by the desire to be back in the driver's seat. Once I am clean I can re-assess my pain....I really don't know how much is attributed to withdrawals due to the fact that I have ben tapering. It is SO difficult that I truly don't know how an addict can do it if in pain. I have noy been able to go any lower on my dose and I feel out of control. As I have read and subsequently realized, once pills are not an option and out of sight, only then will my body stop "making pain" to feed my addicted out of kilter brain. I have always believed in the theory of..."I control my mind...my mind does not control ME" and that my mind is a tool which I can use in any way I see fit. Unfortunately I have altered my brain chemistry which makes it very difficult to even think rationally anymore. That scares me the most.Ok...then what? What if I simply cannot cope with the Lupus and other ailments?I have tried Cymbalta, steroids,motrin, Elavil,etc.,etc.....I may end up back on opiates. I am not speculating any self-fulfilling prophecy here or setting myself up for more excuses down the road. Just trying to be as realistic as possible.I have to try. Thanks for listening...Love, Sharonn P.S. They also said sub may be an option....
Well good luck. Please dont talk about it just do it! I know its scary but you can do it
Bless you
Bless you
Sharron-I think that is a super,smart decision.Once you get everything detoxed,then you can decide which way you want to go.Give yourself a chance and then maybe start relying on a power greater than you?
If you will e-mail me your address,I want to send you a book.It's called;
"Chronic Pain...Biomedical and Spiritual Approaches...Harold G.Koenig,MD"
It deals with exactly these issues and has some amazing stories of how people are dealing with chronic pain without opioids.
I want to give it to you.
timlincoln@aol.com
If you will e-mail me your address,I want to send you a book.It's called;
"Chronic Pain...Biomedical and Spiritual Approaches...Harold G.Koenig,MD"
It deals with exactly these issues and has some amazing stories of how people are dealing with chronic pain without opioids.
I want to give it to you.
timlincoln@aol.com
My heart goes out to you. I certainly applaud your honesty.
At this point, give the sub a chance if you can get it. It has given those of us with pain issues a chance. It has literally saved me; I am sure that I would be back on opiates as well by now.
Be easy on yourself. Let the guilt go; it is so easy to think that we fell. I know that mad haze of painkillers isn't any fun, but you tried both ways. I feel for you with the lupus; that has got to be so painful.
I hope that you find what you need.
At this point, give the sub a chance if you can get it. It has given those of us with pain issues a chance. It has literally saved me; I am sure that I would be back on opiates as well by now.
Be easy on yourself. Let the guilt go; it is so easy to think that we fell. I know that mad haze of painkillers isn't any fun, but you tried both ways. I feel for you with the lupus; that has got to be so painful.
I hope that you find what you need.
Sharonn,
I think what you are doing is fantastic. Don't look too far into the future, or think too much about the "maybes" or "what ifs." I really do think you are a prime candidate for sub. It may provide you with some pain relief and that might be all you need.
Then again, maybe you should take a significant amount of time off opiates to assess your pain. Whichever you choose, good luck, and of course you know you have support here.
There are no guarantees in life, but one never knows until they try.
I think what you are doing is fantastic. Don't look too far into the future, or think too much about the "maybes" or "what ifs." I really do think you are a prime candidate for sub. It may provide you with some pain relief and that might be all you need.
Then again, maybe you should take a significant amount of time off opiates to assess your pain. Whichever you choose, good luck, and of course you know you have support here.
There are no guarantees in life, but one never knows until they try.
Sharonn, My heart goes out to you. I can not imagine living with daily chronic pain. Please try to let go of the guilt, you have made a huge step here, and I pray you are going to find the answers you are looking for.
sharon..........
i am definately with you all the way...........
i am so proud of your honesty, that took courage and i know you had TO REACH deep with in yourself to type these words............
i am so happy for you because ya know what, our bodies do come up with real pain to make us take pills, it is so crazy, goes to show you that pills are a major problem................
i feel that once you detox, that your'll find that the pain is bearable........
i think what your dealing with when yout taper is withdraw........
i know patiens with lupas and i know patients with metastatic cancer and they dont evev take pills like we did.................
there is hope and i just pray for you honey
you can do this................
i also feel that the pills can lead to depression and depression hurts.
love you
thumper
i am definately with you all the way...........
i am so proud of your honesty, that took courage and i know you had TO REACH deep with in yourself to type these words............
i am so happy for you because ya know what, our bodies do come up with real pain to make us take pills, it is so crazy, goes to show you that pills are a major problem................
i feel that once you detox, that your'll find that the pain is bearable........
i think what your dealing with when yout taper is withdraw........
i know patiens with lupas and i know patients with metastatic cancer and they dont evev take pills like we did.................
there is hope and i just pray for you honey
you can do this................
i also feel that the pills can lead to depression and depression hurts.
love you
thumper
Sharonn,
I hope it all works out for you. For as long as you've been on this board you have been talking about going into detox. Then there would always be some kind of excuse as to why you couldn't go.
You have felt guilty about taking your pain meds even though you are in chronic pain and claim to not be abusing them. You are constantly tapering up and down and I am sure some of your pain comes from that alone.
You have been on an emotional and physcial rollercoaster for sometime now.
I hope you follow through with it this time and you are able to access your pain issuses. I really do hope it all works out as planned.
Good luck,
Rae
I hope it all works out for you. For as long as you've been on this board you have been talking about going into detox. Then there would always be some kind of excuse as to why you couldn't go.
You have felt guilty about taking your pain meds even though you are in chronic pain and claim to not be abusing them. You are constantly tapering up and down and I am sure some of your pain comes from that alone.
You have been on an emotional and physcial rollercoaster for sometime now.
I hope you follow through with it this time and you are able to access your pain issuses. I really do hope it all works out as planned.
Good luck,
Rae
Sharon-
I really think this is a great idea for you. Taking some time off the opiates to assess your true pain level is a good idea.......
Increased pain levels was something I always had when on the pills............Whenever I tried to taper, It would seem like I had pain coming from everywhere, My back, neck ............I swear to you the hair on my head even hurt. Is apparently our brain's screaming for more opiates, and is an endless cycle.
I wish you nothing but the best, You are doing the right thing.
Hugs.
I really think this is a great idea for you. Taking some time off the opiates to assess your true pain level is a good idea.......
Increased pain levels was something I always had when on the pills............Whenever I tried to taper, It would seem like I had pain coming from everywhere, My back, neck ............I swear to you the hair on my head even hurt. Is apparently our brain's screaming for more opiates, and is an endless cycle.
I wish you nothing but the best, You are doing the right thing.
Hugs.
I am making arrangements as soon as Tony is 2 weeks post op.Rae...I did go into detox about 2 years ago...when I came out I suffered and bailed...tried the other meds and gave up and went back to the pills. This time I am angry at the whole situation and I need to stop talking about it and just do it. What do I have to lose. Thanks everyone....your support means a lot to me. Sharonn
Sharonn,
Your right. What do you have to lose? It is important for you to have peace of mind. If going to detox and evaluating your pain issuses will help you with that, then go for it. More power to you.
Who knows you may not need to go back on pain meds again. Or you may be able to be treated with something non-narcotic.
Good luck to you in your quest to find to answer's.
Rae
Your right. What do you have to lose? It is important for you to have peace of mind. If going to detox and evaluating your pain issuses will help you with that, then go for it. More power to you.
Who knows you may not need to go back on pain meds again. Or you may be able to be treated with something non-narcotic.
Good luck to you in your quest to find to answer's.
Rae
Sharonn, I am praying that this will work for you and you will be free from those pills.
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Sharonn,
You are making some really great choices. You know what needs to be done. I really think that you'll be surprised that the pain can be so much worse on medication... i never would have believed that unless I saw it for myself.
I love you darling! and thanks for always being there for me! You rock Sharon.
Love
stac
You are making some really great choices. You know what needs to be done. I really think that you'll be surprised that the pain can be so much worse on medication... i never would have believed that unless I saw it for myself.
I love you darling! and thanks for always being there for me! You rock Sharon.
Love
stac
Sharonn...I have nothing more to add except my support,
I'm really proud of you.
Love
Lisa
I'm really proud of you.
Love
Lisa
I am not crazy about the idea of sub,,,if I am not abusing these pills,and my wanting to be off them is to not have to rely on medication...isn't sub just another opioid type drug that I will become dependent upon? Maybe I am wrong, but if I am going to take something like sub, what is the point of detox? I would rather be off EVERYTHING. My poor body. Thanks guys..you know I'm gonna need you...and I know you'll be there. I am so ready.
I haven't heard where Sub is indicated for pain...but that may have changed. Most litature says it's not. Yes, it's an opiate and really hard to come off of. Read Summer's thread, that'll make you think twice.
I think you're being really smart by wanting to be off of everything...take your life back.
I think you're being really smart by wanting to be off of everything...take your life back.
Sharon,
My sub doctor prescribes sub for pain and says i'm killing two birds with one stone by taking it. I am not sure how much it helps with pain anymore. at first, i could tell it worked great for pain, after the first month, not so much...
I'd go ahead and get clean all together if i were you. Can't beat that!
I'll be here!
stac
My sub doctor prescribes sub for pain and says i'm killing two birds with one stone by taking it. I am not sure how much it helps with pain anymore. at first, i could tell it worked great for pain, after the first month, not so much...
I'd go ahead and get clean all together if i were you. Can't beat that!
I'll be here!
stac
Hi Sharon...I am so happy for you...I have followed your story and I know you do so agonize literally over the meds. Here is my situation with the Sub....I was always able to successfully detox off the opiates...hell as it was...maybe 4 times...I always made it to a little over 2 months....I don't suffer with the chronic pain that you do. Little by little the depression would be creeping back in and that little black hole would start to become bigger and bigger...and before you know it...I would be justifying a pill here and there and then bam....right back to where I ended a few months prior.
With suboxone....the gift that it has given me thus far is a chance to heal my chemically altered brain. I work with an addiction specialist...he first and foremost talks about brain chemistry!! Sub is a partial antagonist so therefore while on it you get a chance for your brain to heal while seeking out better ways to live. This is what I have been afforded via the sub....I don't feel high or anticipate my next dose...I simply feel that I have the opportunities that a normie would have in regards to getting my life in order...its over 2 months now...I think about six months and I will perhaps think about coming off...buts it not my call...its the Doctors call. It all has to do with ones own drug abuse and use...I guess what I am trying to say is that it really does work but you gotta work a program....that involves therapy and or meetings.
Whatever you do...I wish you nothing but the best. you so deserve as we all do a wonderful life free of this horrible merry go round!!!
With suboxone....the gift that it has given me thus far is a chance to heal my chemically altered brain. I work with an addiction specialist...he first and foremost talks about brain chemistry!! Sub is a partial antagonist so therefore while on it you get a chance for your brain to heal while seeking out better ways to live. This is what I have been afforded via the sub....I don't feel high or anticipate my next dose...I simply feel that I have the opportunities that a normie would have in regards to getting my life in order...its over 2 months now...I think about six months and I will perhaps think about coming off...buts it not my call...its the Doctors call. It all has to do with ones own drug abuse and use...I guess what I am trying to say is that it really does work but you gotta work a program....that involves therapy and or meetings.
Whatever you do...I wish you nothing but the best. you so deserve as we all do a wonderful life free of this horrible merry go round!!!
Sharron-I like your original ideal of detoxing first.Sub is another opiate that you will have to withdrawl from someday.I read some stories on the Suboxone forum the other day and............I am very unimpressed.It seems like half the people regret ever getting on it and talk about how bad they feel coming off it.This is not my stuff either.Its written there in black and white.In fact one poster made a point of letting everyone know that it is not a wonder drug.There is no magic fix.
I admire your courage and I can see in your words that someone is speaking to you.This is the right thing to do.Who knows what the future holds?It may be brighter than you ever imagined.You will never know until you try.I think by your willingness and stubborness that you will succeed.I think its great you are getting mad.You are going to do this and yes,there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I admire your courage and I can see in your words that someone is speaking to you.This is the right thing to do.Who knows what the future holds?It may be brighter than you ever imagined.You will never know until you try.I think by your willingness and stubborness that you will succeed.I think its great you are getting mad.You are going to do this and yes,there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Tim...I read those posts too...and have to say that it scares the cr@p out of me to hear that. I guess truth be known that is good to know and have this information up front. I will cross that bridge when I get there for sure. As with all medications there are defiantly drawbacks and side effects. Its up to each individual person with the aid of there doctor to openly discuss these drawbacks.
I get so frustrated when I hear stories of suboxone has been rx'd with no real information and guidance...those doctors should not be allowed to rx this powerful med. I agree that Sharon should take a break from all opiates to properly access real pain levels. My doctor told me and believes 110% that opiates make pain worse after a period of time!
I get so frustrated when I hear stories of suboxone has been rx'd with no real information and guidance...those doctors should not be allowed to rx this powerful med. I agree that Sharon should take a break from all opiates to properly access real pain levels. My doctor told me and believes 110% that opiates make pain worse after a period of time!
