hello,I have been reading alot and many may not like what ive been posting infiormation about suboxone.I just know what its done for me and a few that are on it that i know personal.Alot say go cold tukey and some people came here saying i have done CT many times need other advice or help>i know myself i did cold trukey and was very seroius about it.Went over two month last time i did it,I still was haveing the craveings,sick feeling,weak,stomach hurting ,blarely could get out the house,alot of mental problems.I would like to know how many has done it cold trukey and have really stayed clean?i dont mean less then a month.Also to hear from the one that did it and fail went back to useing.Some here are scaried to go ct and come back and say i have fail. .Its very hard and i wanted it more then anything to be clean for good.I hated going through all the w/ds and then start back useing all over again.its alot worst when this hapens.im not calling any names i just know some are not being trueful and are scared of the people here that will put them down.i think this board has been a great deal of help to alot of us.I hate it when newcomers come and are not giveing choices and some are saying they cant go back through the pysical w/ds.And are thinking about killing themself.Then they have here go to na/aa or here the list of otc drugs.And you will be better in a few days.I wasnt better after 2 months the w/ds were there alot longer then 2 weeks and the energy level nerver came back even after 2 months.I do belive we all need na/aa it would be very helpful.But,i know if im dong it cold trukey i cant get out the house and go anywhere.i felt like i was going to die.Sure couldnt go to work like this.Some come here and ask for help and alot will say call nn/aa and get in a meeting.I just know i couldnt of been in 1 week of w/ds and go to a meeting when i felt as if i was dieing.Newcomers are not answer alot of the times and the old one friends make post and they get carried on and on.As for the new one which some will not come back after only being answer by a few people and most of them will say maybe someone will come along and help you soon.I think we need to help newcomers more then haveing a post thats carried on about what we did useing,did last night,went last, or picture post .We need to help the new one more and some need to take thier own advice.i can imagine when i get up in the morning what kind if things are going to be said in my post.Im just telling it as i know or see it.If someone are saying they are fixing to kill themelf alot say call find a aa/na they will help.These kinds of people need medical advice and what works for one dont work for all.These are the people that dont find help here and they dont come back .We all have opions some different and some ( the ones that are close here the same or will take uo for eachother) .I see some post advice and all the one that are friends say its right on just agree b/c of the friendship that they have formed),i have a few friends here and they have been wonderful but,if i didnt agree i would say jmo and not be ugly about.If some say things some dont agree with they get attacked.well,Im headed off to bed hope that no one takes it the wrung way.Just say what you feel about my post and answer if you would about being clean how long,CT,or sub,meth,or ect.... what ever you used to get clean and stay clean.I also know servral that have went to rehab live in centers and came out first day wasing again or went to jail did a year or so came right back out useing...Is it a diease that you need medicine to help control or a disease that just disapears?Thanks all for reading will check back n the morning.love crystal
Hey Crystal:
I don't do CT that well, in fact one time I had to go to hospital overnight to get hydrated. It had been over 10 days. I did do it this time - I really don't know how - The 2 times I have succeeded is this time and when I was addicted and stopped in my 30's did that time in Rehab- I have quit at least 100 times in the total of about 7 1/2 years addicted - 2 different times.
This time the stuff on the list helped me even though the first 3 days, I was really crazy. I did make it to the 5th day and it was still bad, but better. It took me a month to have any energy to do half of what I used to do. I still don't have the energy I want.
I don't know anything about SUB - had never heard od it 'til I came to this board but many have used it and it worked for them.
Tapering to me sounded wonderful but if I have pills, I will take them. In my 30's when we tried my husband keeping them and tapering me, I was a monster to him so that time I ended up in Detox. This time I just thought I would take them 'til I died a slow death.
I will have 5 months 11/15. I hurt like hell - mostly with not sleeping b/c of the Fibro and OA, mostly Fibro keeps me awake but left knee from OA wakes me up, too.
I have been to 2 N/a and A/A meetings. One I was scared b/c it was all men and all they talked about was how much they wanted or needed a drink - the leader would stop them and they would start back. One of the men - who seemed nice led me to my car. The other meeting, it was the same thing - not as bad but I got nothing out of it excpt the black coffee.
Yet many say it saved them and I believe them, it just is not for me.
My Church is starting a recovery meeting for prescriptiion drugs Monday night. I admire the person who came forward and talked with our Pastor about this.
So, that will be for me. That and this baord is all I have. I don't know if it's enough to keep me clean, I pray it is, mostly while doctors are trying to get me to continue Lortabs - say I need them for Fibro - I have told them I can't take 4 a day, I take 15 a day - one day I took 25 in one day, scared me really bad but still woke up the next morning and popped 3 again.
These are the ways I know. Rehab was hard but in a way it was kind of fun. It was like us on this board being together. The good times.
Group therapy was wonderful. You had 20-25 people telling their stories and I felt normal.
I didn't want to go back this time - just kind of stayed home a lot, felt like a whipped dog. Also, I am a homebody.
I found this board and the stories back then helpd me so much mostly the 1st week. Just reading the post gave me hope.
Also, I have read on here where there are doctors who do exactly that - get you off pills
I hope you find s'thing that works for you.
I don't think any way is easy but it can be done.
Love, Jean
I don't do CT that well, in fact one time I had to go to hospital overnight to get hydrated. It had been over 10 days. I did do it this time - I really don't know how - The 2 times I have succeeded is this time and when I was addicted and stopped in my 30's did that time in Rehab- I have quit at least 100 times in the total of about 7 1/2 years addicted - 2 different times.
This time the stuff on the list helped me even though the first 3 days, I was really crazy. I did make it to the 5th day and it was still bad, but better. It took me a month to have any energy to do half of what I used to do. I still don't have the energy I want.
I don't know anything about SUB - had never heard od it 'til I came to this board but many have used it and it worked for them.
Tapering to me sounded wonderful but if I have pills, I will take them. In my 30's when we tried my husband keeping them and tapering me, I was a monster to him so that time I ended up in Detox. This time I just thought I would take them 'til I died a slow death.
I will have 5 months 11/15. I hurt like hell - mostly with not sleeping b/c of the Fibro and OA, mostly Fibro keeps me awake but left knee from OA wakes me up, too.
I have been to 2 N/a and A/A meetings. One I was scared b/c it was all men and all they talked about was how much they wanted or needed a drink - the leader would stop them and they would start back. One of the men - who seemed nice led me to my car. The other meeting, it was the same thing - not as bad but I got nothing out of it excpt the black coffee.
Yet many say it saved them and I believe them, it just is not for me.
My Church is starting a recovery meeting for prescriptiion drugs Monday night. I admire the person who came forward and talked with our Pastor about this.
So, that will be for me. That and this baord is all I have. I don't know if it's enough to keep me clean, I pray it is, mostly while doctors are trying to get me to continue Lortabs - say I need them for Fibro - I have told them I can't take 4 a day, I take 15 a day - one day I took 25 in one day, scared me really bad but still woke up the next morning and popped 3 again.
These are the ways I know. Rehab was hard but in a way it was kind of fun. It was like us on this board being together. The good times.
Group therapy was wonderful. You had 20-25 people telling their stories and I felt normal.
I didn't want to go back this time - just kind of stayed home a lot, felt like a whipped dog. Also, I am a homebody.
I found this board and the stories back then helpd me so much mostly the 1st week. Just reading the post gave me hope.
Also, I have read on here where there are doctors who do exactly that - get you off pills
I hope you find s'thing that works for you.
I don't think any way is easy but it can be done.
Love, Jean
crystal,
I tried c/t many times and i agree sub is the only thing that worke for me. I truly tried to do it c/t and every time I went back. I just wanted you to know that I understand what you mean.
Renny
I tried c/t many times and i agree sub is the only thing that worke for me. I truly tried to do it c/t and every time I went back. I just wanted you to know that I understand what you mean.
Renny
I have a suggestion.....
In the past I have many times got wrapped up in petty sh*t when it comes to Suboxone.....
Just tell what worked for you, how it worked......It is that simple, don't be baited into pushing your cause. there are far to many ways to get clean and no one way is gonna work for everyone, that is proved out on here time and time again. Sub I think is a good thing, always have. But it was orginally designed for heroin users....and then crossed to pills.
I have seen the good of this medicine personally, I have also seen the bad, and what can happen if a person is not truely ready to stop......If it is time nothing will hold a person back from getting clean, and after being here so long I really believe this.....no sub, meth, ct....nothing will work unless it is time......
Have a great day....
Love,
Tina
In the past I have many times got wrapped up in petty sh*t when it comes to Suboxone.....
Just tell what worked for you, how it worked......It is that simple, don't be baited into pushing your cause. there are far to many ways to get clean and no one way is gonna work for everyone, that is proved out on here time and time again. Sub I think is a good thing, always have. But it was orginally designed for heroin users....and then crossed to pills.
I have seen the good of this medicine personally, I have also seen the bad, and what can happen if a person is not truely ready to stop......If it is time nothing will hold a person back from getting clean, and after being here so long I really believe this.....no sub, meth, ct....nothing will work unless it is time......
Have a great day....
Love,
Tina
I am on the subs too and that has been a very important tool in my recovery but I also work a strong program in the fellowship I tried doing just AA/NA cold turkey heck I think I have tried everything i could think of but when I was desperate as only the dying would know I finally decided to do it I got on sub I go to meetings I work with my sponsor I share what experience strength and hope i have so far and most importantly I pray and rely on God to help me one day at a time this is what has worked for me as methadone I just used more it did not work for me I am addicted to heroin/pills and alco cocaine I am addicted to lots of things but I truly just had to be willing to do anything to get sober and since I have been doing this honestly this time which is very hard it has worked and I am blessed EVERY SINGLE DAY WITHOUT FAIL!!!!I personally think this is a good thread as long as we respect each other for doing the best they can I think we can all agree that taking it one day at a time is crucial.Wishing everybody a beautiful day in sobriety!!!!Cristina
I personally think that Sub is a great tool and a great med for people with chronic pain that want to get off of pain pills. I have never used Sub but many times I wish that I had. To this day, I still feel terrible, just like you described and I suffer daily from pain, some days not as bad as others. Also, I crave, crave, crave and wish that these terrible feeling would go away. I commend you for you thread and your honesty and I am so glad that Sub has worked wonders for you. I have read many stories where people have had much success with Sub after relapsing many times. We all know that cold turkey is a Beeeoootch and I look at Sub for an Addict like Insulin for a Diabetic. Both are diseases and both should be treated as such. Thank you for your thread. Please share more with the board so many others can learn more about Suboxone and the success that can be achieved with it.
i just went 7 days ct before finally getting my doc to trust me and give me another chance... thank god he did...i might have eeked through wd but in no way would i have been able to return to a heavy construction job. god forbid i show up with half my strength and someone else gets injured. thats the reality for guys like me who end up chasing the dragon due to an injury on the job... suboxone is not a get out of jail free card but it is definatly a file hidden in a cake. god bless the folks around here who went ct and lived to tell the tale...
jeff
jeff
All i can ay is going cold turkey off cigarettes is 10times easier, i know i went cold turkey off cigs a week ago, goin cold turkey off pain pills is something i don't reccommend, unless you like self torture lol goodluck
For some reason after I went off of the methadone my craving for cigs was not there.sure I smoked until I had no cigs left.but now its been 2 weeks and I still am not craving a cig..........and I thought it would be a tough one.....man going off the methadone was the worse, NEVER again for this California redneck......LMAO
Thanks to you all for shareing.I just wanted to see who has done it cold trukey and may it through a long period of time.I have seen many and knpow some that have been of pain ,coke,ice .Get off cold trukey and relapse in time.Some even relapse a yar or even years.i just wounder is this addiction over our head for life.Can we be clean and stay clean forever.Only time will tell.love you all,Jean hope this works for you this time.I have more to add but,i gtta go pay some bills.love ya,crystal
Personally...I could not CT after the 8 months of oxy use...I tapered down to 2 pills a day(cut into 1/4s)...then I got disgusted with the cravings and wd's and went into detox..if you can go somewhere good, they will help you through..the detox I went to gave ultram(weaker opiate, clonidine(blood pressure) and trazodone for sleep..no fancy place, but it got me away and a forced me to concentrate on my recovery.When I came out I was tired for 2 months....felt good at 90 days and had a wicked Lupus flare....relapsed for about 2-3 weeks off and on...I now have 16 days...craving will be there..but when you get sick and tired of being sick and tired, there is only one direction to go...otherwise you stay on the hamster wheel of hell...can you go into detox? Or find a facility w/ sub? I've never used it, but a lot of addicts have had success with it...best of luck to you....Sharonn
hello,
To all i thought i had wrote in my post i am on sub. And its really been great.the main reson for this post was to find out mostly who has done it cold trukey and had stayed clean .I know so many around here that has done it cold trukey and fail even after long periods of time and meetings na/aa .I would like to here meth. stories also .I know of two people and have read alot about meth. after reading i choose not to even go there.My sub. doctor seen my medical history and told me with all my pain that it might be best for me to use meth..He said he would referal me to a good one.i know one of these woman go to the clinlic five days a week a hour drive every morning for her dose.It cost her $6 bucks a day and not counting the gas or the time .Then shes all messed up about to fall out ,dropping her cigs. and ect...But,cold trukey if you feel better after a few days then you are doing damm good .I wasnt even after my 2 and a half months.I was hooked on any kind of pill with codeine in it.Loratab 10's in the end perferable.I really conmend the one that have done it CT i really do .Im just thankful that i have found sub. in my life i was so tried and giveing out from failing and just tring to stay clean and become the person i needed to be.I dont go to meeting or aa/nn .My internet is my meetings.I live too far out in the country and right now gas price .We are so broke from my addiction .I stay broke all through the week.Fridays,i pay my bills and then have to save some for hubby to make it through the week.I wish i would of know what kind of hell i was getting into before i gotten hooked on them.I wouldnt be here until some night 4am in the morning .its funny how the government dont help addicts get clean and are suporting these other counties fighting thier battles .When we have alot going on here and so much crime Most that conmite crimes are useing drugs.We do stupid stuff to get our feel good.I know one guy that killed his boss hit him in the head with a bat beat him to death.He only got 60 bucks now hes servering life.This is someone i just couldnt belive was hooked on the sh*t.And would do something like this.Also in my local newspaper,this drug store has been robbed 3 time in 2 weeks .The first time they checked the alarm system out ,and busted the window.They say it had to be someone that had been get scripts filled or had worked thier and knew where to find the pills..The second time went in got 800 pers. and was only in for 3 mins tops.The third time got all the pers, and lorcet, they said it was too many to count and havent got a count of them as of the newspapers last story on this.The cop was 2 mins, behind the robbier,and he got away clean and clear .They have a description of the guy so i know he will be caught up with soon.We ned to write our government about more free service , for more research .I bet the crime rate will go down alot.I hope that all is well ....Take care,crystal
To all i thought i had wrote in my post i am on sub. And its really been great.the main reson for this post was to find out mostly who has done it cold trukey and had stayed clean .I know so many around here that has done it cold trukey and fail even after long periods of time and meetings na/aa .I would like to here meth. stories also .I know of two people and have read alot about meth. after reading i choose not to even go there.My sub. doctor seen my medical history and told me with all my pain that it might be best for me to use meth..He said he would referal me to a good one.i know one of these woman go to the clinlic five days a week a hour drive every morning for her dose.It cost her $6 bucks a day and not counting the gas or the time .Then shes all messed up about to fall out ,dropping her cigs. and ect...But,cold trukey if you feel better after a few days then you are doing damm good .I wasnt even after my 2 and a half months.I was hooked on any kind of pill with codeine in it.Loratab 10's in the end perferable.I really conmend the one that have done it CT i really do .Im just thankful that i have found sub. in my life i was so tried and giveing out from failing and just tring to stay clean and become the person i needed to be.I dont go to meeting or aa/nn .My internet is my meetings.I live too far out in the country and right now gas price .We are so broke from my addiction .I stay broke all through the week.Fridays,i pay my bills and then have to save some for hubby to make it through the week.I wish i would of know what kind of hell i was getting into before i gotten hooked on them.I wouldnt be here until some night 4am in the morning .its funny how the government dont help addicts get clean and are suporting these other counties fighting thier battles .When we have alot going on here and so much crime Most that conmite crimes are useing drugs.We do stupid stuff to get our feel good.I know one guy that killed his boss hit him in the head with a bat beat him to death.He only got 60 bucks now hes servering life.This is someone i just couldnt belive was hooked on the sh*t.And would do something like this.Also in my local newspaper,this drug store has been robbed 3 time in 2 weeks .The first time they checked the alarm system out ,and busted the window.They say it had to be someone that had been get scripts filled or had worked thier and knew where to find the pills..The second time went in got 800 pers. and was only in for 3 mins tops.The third time got all the pers, and lorcet, they said it was too many to count and havent got a count of them as of the newspapers last story on this.The cop was 2 mins, behind the robbier,and he got away clean and clear .They have a description of the guy so i know he will be caught up with soon.We ned to write our government about more free service , for more research .I bet the crime rate will go down alot.I hope that all is well ....Take care,crystal
hello.please i want more response to this post.im wanting people to atleast say im cold trukey,sub user,meth user, and let me know how is going and how long clean time?Someone post about only 5 people here thats really clean.I have invited him to this post.thank alot to all.love crystal
Walking off off mdone cold turkey after being on 80 mgs for 5 years ,was a stupid thing for me to do. I wound up in a hospital ,then a detox- .then back on the streets -all in 60 days. It was very hard. I wasnt ready for it
There was no sub at the time (around 1990) & if there was I never heard of it, nor was it suggested.
To make this short- I didnt follow the aftercare plan and wound up worse than before.
Jails.Courts, and constantly being in dangerous situations put me back on the program.
Anyway ,I can tell you kickin CT off of long time mdone use is a little crazy and the success rate cant be to high..
IvE been back on mdone ,again for a long time. This time I plan to do the switch to sub when I get low e-nuff.
Anyway- thats the condenced version
I do not advise walking off mdone ct- - its walking into Hell- but everyones different.
all the best
peace& respect
jack
There was no sub at the time (around 1990) & if there was I never heard of it, nor was it suggested.
To make this short- I didnt follow the aftercare plan and wound up worse than before.
Jails.Courts, and constantly being in dangerous situations put me back on the program.
Anyway ,I can tell you kickin CT off of long time mdone use is a little crazy and the success rate cant be to high..
IvE been back on mdone ,again for a long time. This time I plan to do the switch to sub when I get low e-nuff.
Anyway- thats the condenced version
I do not advise walking off mdone ct- - its walking into Hell- but everyones different.
all the best
peace& respect
jack
my friend says he wont even think about going off mdone until 2mg and he said even that is hell. He went the sub route and is now clean from herroine, oxy's, meth for a few months now. This guy has been a long time user since the 70's. Hes been through it all and insists short term sub use is the way to go.
gagrl,
i went sorta cold turkey, i had chlonidine, phenebarbitol to come of xanax and did approx a 5 day detox through help of dr, it was hell. had i have known of sub, i probably would have used it. i am approx 1 yr and 8 months clean. you sound like you are doing a great job and ask as many questions as it takes to help educate and ease your mind, thats what we are here for.
terrianne
i went sorta cold turkey, i had chlonidine, phenebarbitol to come of xanax and did approx a 5 day detox through help of dr, it was hell. had i have known of sub, i probably would have used it. i am approx 1 yr and 8 months clean. you sound like you are doing a great job and ask as many questions as it takes to help educate and ease your mind, thats what we are here for.
terrianne
Hey Crystal, it's Jean again,
I don't want to say CT is easy - I know it all has to be hard. Someone on the board even did that Rapid Detox and had nothing good to say about it. I read about that during my addiction in my 30's but it wasn't done in SC, don't know if it is even now.
It cost a fortune so I couldn't have done it anyway, but 10 years ago, it sounded so easy - they put you to sleep and just all fluids out, new fluids in, you can tell
I don't even remember that much about it but then you were to wake up having no W/D's - then someone on this board - hope they will post and let you know about it just for info, I know it was a man who had it done and said it just cost a lot of money and I think he even said it could be dangerous.
Also, those 1st few days of CT are horrible, don't want to kid you. Those 1st few messed with my brain and body, like I was paranoid, so little sleep, felt like none, jumpy, jitterry, half the time in the bathroom, the terrible sweating, I knew I stunk, it was that bad - all of that junk coming out of my body - 2-3 baths a day and would be so weak, was afraid I would fall in the tub.
3 days felt like 10 but like I say I do not want to forget again how horrible it was but by the 5th day, I just knew I was a little more normal.
It is different for e'one. like I said, I know a few even worked through W/D's, I didn't get dressed until the 4th days, kept on with the baths and comfortable pajamas. My goal for 7 days was to do nothing except stop the pills, didn't care how I looked, the house was a mess. I did obsess about the house when I started feeling better but energy was the last and still not that energetic but I'm not that young, just turned 50. It took it's toll on my body this time in my 40's more-so that in my 30's.
I just had no other way - if they were here I would have taken them. Well, I did.
I thought I would be smart and leave 10 here, and not take them. Thought I would gain power by having them in the house. Some on the board suggested letting my husband hold them - didn't do it.
Well, that didn't work, after 13 days - took 8 in 3 days b/c I guess it was depression. Had this sadness like the end of the world and reached for those Lortabs. They didn't help at all, just made me feel guilty. So, gave the other 2 to my husband.
So, that's the reason I can't taper. The 1st thing I tried in my 30's was giving them to my husband - then I worried the hell out of him to give me more,more.
I was a real B****, I know it, I remember.
I didn't know anything about Sub, I have read good and bad on the board.
Just wanted to write again. I want you to know all of the choices. If I could taper, I know I would have gone that way - not that it would be easy - I just thought it would have been easier, but I'll never know. I hope I make it this time for good. I know 50 is not that old anymoe but the pills will make you older than you are.
I do feel younger than when I was taking them - running our every month, getting sick, same every month. Thank goodness I never really believed that you could buy online until I had quit and I looked it up b/c some had said they had - well, I would be broke for sure had I known.
Talk with you soon. Hope you get a lot of good information. That empowers you, the knowledge of what to expect from the way you choose. You will have an idea of what to expect.
Love, Jean
I don't want to say CT is easy - I know it all has to be hard. Someone on the board even did that Rapid Detox and had nothing good to say about it. I read about that during my addiction in my 30's but it wasn't done in SC, don't know if it is even now.
It cost a fortune so I couldn't have done it anyway, but 10 years ago, it sounded so easy - they put you to sleep and just all fluids out, new fluids in, you can tell
I don't even remember that much about it but then you were to wake up having no W/D's - then someone on this board - hope they will post and let you know about it just for info, I know it was a man who had it done and said it just cost a lot of money and I think he even said it could be dangerous.
Also, those 1st few days of CT are horrible, don't want to kid you. Those 1st few messed with my brain and body, like I was paranoid, so little sleep, felt like none, jumpy, jitterry, half the time in the bathroom, the terrible sweating, I knew I stunk, it was that bad - all of that junk coming out of my body - 2-3 baths a day and would be so weak, was afraid I would fall in the tub.
3 days felt like 10 but like I say I do not want to forget again how horrible it was but by the 5th day, I just knew I was a little more normal.
It is different for e'one. like I said, I know a few even worked through W/D's, I didn't get dressed until the 4th days, kept on with the baths and comfortable pajamas. My goal for 7 days was to do nothing except stop the pills, didn't care how I looked, the house was a mess. I did obsess about the house when I started feeling better but energy was the last and still not that energetic but I'm not that young, just turned 50. It took it's toll on my body this time in my 40's more-so that in my 30's.
I just had no other way - if they were here I would have taken them. Well, I did.
I thought I would be smart and leave 10 here, and not take them. Thought I would gain power by having them in the house. Some on the board suggested letting my husband hold them - didn't do it.
Well, that didn't work, after 13 days - took 8 in 3 days b/c I guess it was depression. Had this sadness like the end of the world and reached for those Lortabs. They didn't help at all, just made me feel guilty. So, gave the other 2 to my husband.
So, that's the reason I can't taper. The 1st thing I tried in my 30's was giving them to my husband - then I worried the hell out of him to give me more,more.
I was a real B****, I know it, I remember.
I didn't know anything about Sub, I have read good and bad on the board.
Just wanted to write again. I want you to know all of the choices. If I could taper, I know I would have gone that way - not that it would be easy - I just thought it would have been easier, but I'll never know. I hope I make it this time for good. I know 50 is not that old anymoe but the pills will make you older than you are.
I do feel younger than when I was taking them - running our every month, getting sick, same every month. Thank goodness I never really believed that you could buy online until I had quit and I looked it up b/c some had said they had - well, I would be broke for sure had I known.
Talk with you soon. Hope you get a lot of good information. That empowers you, the knowledge of what to expect from the way you choose. You will have an idea of what to expect.
Love, Jean
Hello,
I have read horror stories about rapid detox.i read at a message boad about this guy,he paid thousands to do it.he said they ran fliuds and i dont remember how many day he was sudated.it was like 3 days somewhere around that many.He said he woke up was laying in his own body soil.He said when he was comeing out of it wakeing up he thought he done died .he was fighting the nurses and said they looked like demons.They got him stable and threw him in a wheelchair sent him on his marry way.he said he kept saying im not better i feel sick and sill w/ding and they said go home and take these valuims they will help you.They told him it was noraly to feel that way.He would be ok in a few days.He got home and was sicker then every .Then,he kept calling they kept saying stay clean dont use you will be ok in a few more day.He ended up calling them back curseing them out.He started back useing about a week later.i read this and i thought OMG ,this is crazy.i knew after serval story of reading this had happen i wasnt going to do it that way.he said it was a ripe off and it was like he was in hell.And he could of done what they had at. home he lost thousands he took a loan out for it.i have also called a hospital in flordia and if you run up on them dont go thier.they told me to fly in and i told them i would drive.They told me how much and ect.. all the information,at this time i had no heard of sub. they said it was like 6,000 .A week later called me back we will do it for 3,000 .i told them i couldnt afford it.So,then i get a email saying they are really worried about me if i payed 1,500 they would do it.i asked what the med. they didnt act like they wanted to tell me told me they were only 3 doctor in usa that could prescribe it.They told me the first day i arrived i would be examaing and given ultracet for the w/ds.i started web. serching and i found out they were full of sh*.*..I found sub. doctor everywhere around the usa.i got to calling some and i found one,, one hour thrity mins .from my home.i would of drove five hours if i had to of.id done lost control over my life.When i went cold trukey which was servel times the last time i went over 2 and a half months.I used ultracet for w/ds just for the first 2 weeks it really help.But,i didnt stay clean just like all the other times id did it cold trukey//.I had withdral from everyone and everybody.I knew i had to find help and find it fast.i tried to tapering at home and i let my husband be in charge of the pills.The first few days he thought i was doing good.I was finding them and getting extra out.then the bottle got low and he knew i have been sealing them.and he started taken them to work.i was so scared he was going to loose them,i told him dont leave them in the truck the sun was ruin them.lol.I was so worried someone would steal them.Anyway,after he took them to work and i used my extra up.I had stole .When he got home i was p***ed and i rasied he** he gave them back to me.he said take them all up and suffer then.i knew i would but,i didnt like him haveing that control over them.He got home late was only leaveing me 3 for the day .I did alot of research of meth, and sub,.i knew a few on meth. and i seen how they were it was not good droping cigs,about to fall out and alot of other thing like they were really messed up and couldnt keep thier head up.When i got on sub. my doctor said you have pain and might need to go with meth. i told him i wasnt interested in it.I have got a sheet from him if you are on meth. a very high dose before,going on sub. you got to ween down to a low dose.i hope everyone find what works for them ...Well,im sleep and got a big busy day tomm.we talk to you all tomm. thanks for posting all.crystal
I have read horror stories about rapid detox.i read at a message boad about this guy,he paid thousands to do it.he said they ran fliuds and i dont remember how many day he was sudated.it was like 3 days somewhere around that many.He said he woke up was laying in his own body soil.He said when he was comeing out of it wakeing up he thought he done died .he was fighting the nurses and said they looked like demons.They got him stable and threw him in a wheelchair sent him on his marry way.he said he kept saying im not better i feel sick and sill w/ding and they said go home and take these valuims they will help you.They told him it was noraly to feel that way.He would be ok in a few days.He got home and was sicker then every .Then,he kept calling they kept saying stay clean dont use you will be ok in a few more day.He ended up calling them back curseing them out.He started back useing about a week later.i read this and i thought OMG ,this is crazy.i knew after serval story of reading this had happen i wasnt going to do it that way.he said it was a ripe off and it was like he was in hell.And he could of done what they had at. home he lost thousands he took a loan out for it.i have also called a hospital in flordia and if you run up on them dont go thier.they told me to fly in and i told them i would drive.They told me how much and ect.. all the information,at this time i had no heard of sub. they said it was like 6,000 .A week later called me back we will do it for 3,000 .i told them i couldnt afford it.So,then i get a email saying they are really worried about me if i payed 1,500 they would do it.i asked what the med. they didnt act like they wanted to tell me told me they were only 3 doctor in usa that could prescribe it.They told me the first day i arrived i would be examaing and given ultracet for the w/ds.i started web. serching and i found out they were full of sh*.*..I found sub. doctor everywhere around the usa.i got to calling some and i found one,, one hour thrity mins .from my home.i would of drove five hours if i had to of.id done lost control over my life.When i went cold trukey which was servel times the last time i went over 2 and a half months.I used ultracet for w/ds just for the first 2 weeks it really help.But,i didnt stay clean just like all the other times id did it cold trukey//.I had withdral from everyone and everybody.I knew i had to find help and find it fast.i tried to tapering at home and i let my husband be in charge of the pills.The first few days he thought i was doing good.I was finding them and getting extra out.then the bottle got low and he knew i have been sealing them.and he started taken them to work.i was so scared he was going to loose them,i told him dont leave them in the truck the sun was ruin them.lol.I was so worried someone would steal them.Anyway,after he took them to work and i used my extra up.I had stole .When he got home i was p***ed and i rasied he** he gave them back to me.he said take them all up and suffer then.i knew i would but,i didnt like him haveing that control over them.He got home late was only leaveing me 3 for the day .I did alot of research of meth, and sub,.i knew a few on meth. and i seen how they were it was not good droping cigs,about to fall out and alot of other thing like they were really messed up and couldnt keep thier head up.When i got on sub. my doctor said you have pain and might need to go with meth. i told him i wasnt interested in it.I have got a sheet from him if you are on meth. a very high dose before,going on sub. you got to ween down to a low dose.i hope everyone find what works for them ...Well,im sleep and got a big busy day tomm.we talk to you all tomm. thanks for posting all.crystal
Hey Crystal,
Up all night, maybe I'll get a few hours sleep before tomorrow night. I do this about 2-3 times a week usually b/c of Fibro but this time b/c of OA in left knee and lower back.
I would have really been scared about the place that kept lowering the price. What doctor negotiates with you? None!!! They needed some money - really bad, didn't they, so I doubt they would have helped you or they wouldn't have to keep lowering their price. They didn't know you to worry about you. Smart you didn't fall for that - Dear God, you don't know what they could have pulled with you.
So you have heard more about the Rapid Detox than I have and to think if I had been able to get that much money w/o my husband knowing it (I have always paid the bills but he would have noticed if I had to borrow that much money)
It sounded like Heaven when I read the article and I would even have had to fly to get there - I wasn't in any shape to fly so I'm now glad I couldn't do that.
You talked about your husband keeping pills, I told you we tried that when I was addicted in my 30's and I would be such a b**** if he wouldn't give me more. While we were trying it, I would find his hiding places more than half the time. One night I thought he was crying and he was so frustrated, he was laughing. He said this would be funny but you are wearing me out. I would try and take out just enough so he wouldn't change hiding places. That night I was just sitting in the tub and I have no idea why it came to me but I looked at the vanity right in front of me - the bottom popped right off and there was almost a full bottle in there. I guess he never thought I would tear apart the house to find them.
The hard part was when he would hide them in the garage - all of that junk - he calls his tools - I would get dirty and have to take a shower - even get greasy out there, would climb to his top shelf where they sometimes were. My knee would give way just walking and there I was clinbing to the top of the garage - could have killed myself.
The drop down stairs or whatever you call them - was in the garage and I was up there looking one day - just sitting on the top step and the garage door opened and it was him. He couldn't get in the garage 'cause the steps were pulled down. I saw him shake his head and he just left for a while.
I say it wore me out looking for the pills, I know it wore him out hiding them b/c I found them so many times before he ended up throwing the bottle at me and saying - here - just kill yourself!!!
I guess we all did this kind of crazy stuff. When I tell things like that, I really feel crazy, but I'm an addict. Hurt too bad to go and exercise - yet I could climb and stoop for hours - I guess if the DR had asked if I was exercising for Fibro - I could have said - searching for my pills - haha - may as well laugh about it - we are still here. I hope I can laugh until I'm not.
Just see a lot of what I did in your post.
I hope you find the answer for you, this board is so full of good answers. I bet had I known more about it, I would have tried the Sub, don't even know if SC offers it but I think I have read more good than bad - but don't go by what I say, I'm really still considered a newbie.
Wrote my usual book.
Hope you are getting some sleep.
Love, Jean
Up all night, maybe I'll get a few hours sleep before tomorrow night. I do this about 2-3 times a week usually b/c of Fibro but this time b/c of OA in left knee and lower back.
I would have really been scared about the place that kept lowering the price. What doctor negotiates with you? None!!! They needed some money - really bad, didn't they, so I doubt they would have helped you or they wouldn't have to keep lowering their price. They didn't know you to worry about you. Smart you didn't fall for that - Dear God, you don't know what they could have pulled with you.
So you have heard more about the Rapid Detox than I have and to think if I had been able to get that much money w/o my husband knowing it (I have always paid the bills but he would have noticed if I had to borrow that much money)
It sounded like Heaven when I read the article and I would even have had to fly to get there - I wasn't in any shape to fly so I'm now glad I couldn't do that.
You talked about your husband keeping pills, I told you we tried that when I was addicted in my 30's and I would be such a b**** if he wouldn't give me more. While we were trying it, I would find his hiding places more than half the time. One night I thought he was crying and he was so frustrated, he was laughing. He said this would be funny but you are wearing me out. I would try and take out just enough so he wouldn't change hiding places. That night I was just sitting in the tub and I have no idea why it came to me but I looked at the vanity right in front of me - the bottom popped right off and there was almost a full bottle in there. I guess he never thought I would tear apart the house to find them.
The hard part was when he would hide them in the garage - all of that junk - he calls his tools - I would get dirty and have to take a shower - even get greasy out there, would climb to his top shelf where they sometimes were. My knee would give way just walking and there I was clinbing to the top of the garage - could have killed myself.
The drop down stairs or whatever you call them - was in the garage and I was up there looking one day - just sitting on the top step and the garage door opened and it was him. He couldn't get in the garage 'cause the steps were pulled down. I saw him shake his head and he just left for a while.
I say it wore me out looking for the pills, I know it wore him out hiding them b/c I found them so many times before he ended up throwing the bottle at me and saying - here - just kill yourself!!!
I guess we all did this kind of crazy stuff. When I tell things like that, I really feel crazy, but I'm an addict. Hurt too bad to go and exercise - yet I could climb and stoop for hours - I guess if the DR had asked if I was exercising for Fibro - I could have said - searching for my pills - haha - may as well laugh about it - we are still here. I hope I can laugh until I'm not.
Just see a lot of what I did in your post.
I hope you find the answer for you, this board is so full of good answers. I bet had I known more about it, I would have tried the Sub, don't even know if SC offers it but I think I have read more good than bad - but don't go by what I say, I'm really still considered a newbie.
Wrote my usual book.
Hope you are getting some sleep.
Love, Jean
