You wrote "Freedom is a decision away."
Funny, I think that with alot of things, it is. But, I learned the hard way that "a little hydro habit" can be painful. Very painful. I don't know about you all, but I tried to quit many times, and I couldn't. I decided to quit, but the pain and accompanying symptoms that came with it kept using again to ease the pain.
I got sober the first time in TX. I needed to be locked up. You made me angry with what you said. If it wasn't painful, and it was just a "decision" then there wouldn't be inpatient treatment. Think about it.
Opiate addiction and the decision to quit sometimes takes more than a decision.
If it doesn't, then why are you on METHADONE?
Kerry
Kerry
Very nicely said. Decision to use or not to use??? And while we're at it lets not rate other peoples w/d's by how many of what they were taking. I'm pretty sure someone with a little hydro habit isn't thinking,,,damn I'm sure happy I wasn't on this or that when they're experiencing w/d's
Frank
exactly my point. Thats why I am where I am. I made the decision to go on meth not knowing how damn hard it is to get off. Thats why I say a little hydro habit. So sorry if I made you mad, Im not writing to please you but rather state the facts. There is no part of opiate addiction that is fun, all of it hurts. My point is you can deal with the little part of hydro detox rather than get into somthing heavy. The reason Im on meth is because Im an addict and it makes you feel good. plain and simple. I did not want to quit. Now I do and Im in the fight of my life.So you make me mad when you take offense to a comment about a little hydro habit when it wasn't meant to be a personal attack. So ignore me. Tell others to go spend $6000 to detox off of hydros and scare the rest into thinking thats their only chance. My point was to let people know there is hope and they can do it with the desire. And yes, freedom is a decision away, like it or not. That goes for you too Mr. second reply. No one is comparing anything with any one. Addiction is a personal beast which has no mercy.Oh, by the way, inpatient treatment is a choice unless court ordered, which would make it a decision, you think about it.The decision can come in many forms-but you have to decide enough is enough and then do what it takes. Again, my point is that we dont need to scare other addicts about the severity of w/d's. You need to be a little more receptive to other peoples comments, we're all trying to help each other here.
And FSGUY, who said anything abouth what people are thinking when they are w/d'ing? Norco isn't crap compared to what it could be, So I should compare in order to let people know it can be/get a lot worse and to give it up now. Remember, even when one gets clean, they have to contend with staying that way. So I'll say it again, no one forces pills down your throat, you make the choice, especially in a relapse.If you want to get into pain mgmt, thats a whole different topic and discussion.
And FSGUY, who said anything abouth what people are thinking when they are w/d'ing? Norco isn't crap compared to what it could be, So I should compare in order to let people know it can be/get a lot worse and to give it up now. Remember, even when one gets clean, they have to contend with staying that way. So I'll say it again, no one forces pills down your throat, you make the choice, especially in a relapse.If you want to get into pain mgmt, thats a whole different topic and discussion.
There will always be explotation of anything take dieting for instance people are so desparate to loss weight they will try anything, there are many many people out there willing to take your money and run and no matter how hard we try to tell people its again down to learning your own way through. The best way forward is to (if anyone feels strongly enough) is lobby polititians. jaxxxxxxxx
Coldshot wrote: "My point is you can deal with the little part of hydro detox rather than get into somthing heavy."
Glossdoll did deal with her detox. She's clean, and happy about it. Her way worked. Yours didn't and you're not happy, understandably.
Any way that works is good. The way she chose to get clean doesn't take anything away from any other addict. And for the record, I c/t'd off a "little" percocet habit, but it doesn't bug me that Glossdoll didn't do it my way.
What can we do to help YOU get clean, coldshot? Is stressing over her method helping your recovery?
Regards,
Soccermom
Glossdoll did deal with her detox. She's clean, and happy about it. Her way worked. Yours didn't and you're not happy, understandably.
Any way that works is good. The way she chose to get clean doesn't take anything away from any other addict. And for the record, I c/t'd off a "little" percocet habit, but it doesn't bug me that Glossdoll didn't do it my way.
What can we do to help YOU get clean, coldshot? Is stressing over her method helping your recovery?
Regards,
Soccermom
I think everything depends on the point of view of who's looking at the situatioin.
Its been over a month since I've been totally clean, and I didn't do it cold turkey or use professional help. Acutally, 2 months clean from my DOC, but I still had other things in my system When I first started to post on the board during my weaning process, most people thought I wasn't going to make it, since I was trying other substances to get over the agony or w/ds. I think only one person heard what I was trying to say during those days and gave me words of support (I forget your name, but you have a fairy as an avatar, and "Boo, its me" rings a bell in my mind. Sorry those days are hazy to me...)
Well, I thankful that I made it this far, and at the same time still vividly remember how bad quitting can be, especially if people on boards like this are telling me I'm wrong.
Well, to whoever started this thread...
What you are going through is bad, and only you know how bad it feels. Others have had similar experiences, but none exactly the same. I believe most everyone here wants you to get better, sometimes they say it in ways you don't want to hear. Also, they are human like you and me and are not perfect. Sometime as human, we think our way of thinking should be the only way of thinking. Sometimes, people forget how bad things were when they were trying to quit, and in their high and mighty lofts, forget to see the suffering others are in.
Just remember, all these things that get you riled up are part of the healing process. Don't get too mad over words. Listen to the words, but only take what will work for you. That doesn't me take message you want to hear, it means take the message that will help you.
I tried to condense things, so if what I said was too cryptic, let me know.
Its been over a month since I've been totally clean, and I didn't do it cold turkey or use professional help. Acutally, 2 months clean from my DOC, but I still had other things in my system When I first started to post on the board during my weaning process, most people thought I wasn't going to make it, since I was trying other substances to get over the agony or w/ds. I think only one person heard what I was trying to say during those days and gave me words of support (I forget your name, but you have a fairy as an avatar, and "Boo, its me" rings a bell in my mind. Sorry those days are hazy to me...)
Well, I thankful that I made it this far, and at the same time still vividly remember how bad quitting can be, especially if people on boards like this are telling me I'm wrong.
Well, to whoever started this thread...
What you are going through is bad, and only you know how bad it feels. Others have had similar experiences, but none exactly the same. I believe most everyone here wants you to get better, sometimes they say it in ways you don't want to hear. Also, they are human like you and me and are not perfect. Sometime as human, we think our way of thinking should be the only way of thinking. Sometimes, people forget how bad things were when they were trying to quit, and in their high and mighty lofts, forget to see the suffering others are in.
Just remember, all these things that get you riled up are part of the healing process. Don't get too mad over words. Listen to the words, but only take what will work for you. That doesn't me take message you want to hear, it means take the message that will help you.
I tried to condense things, so if what I said was too cryptic, let me know.
CS
I'm sorry about your situation. I really am but there are a lot of people here that are and have been off OPIATES for a long while. You seem to know a lot about how easy it is to get off of hydros and norcos. I think they're are a lot of people here that would disagree. By the way, I'm off OPIATES and have been for a while and yes,,while I had to ultimately make that decision to stop, it was a little different than making a decision to go out to dinner or go shopping. If you can't see that, then there's no point in talking anymore. As a matter of fact this will be my last post to you. I come here for for positive thoughts.
And by the way,,,,its doesn't matter how you get off drugs,,,,as long as you do it. Not everyone is the same and what works for me may not work for someone else.
Good luck in getting your life back in order.
Frank
sorry to dissapoint soccermom, Im not stressing over a thing. Obviously I picked the wrong forum, no one seems to understand my point and are getting personally offended, the opposite of what my intentions were, Quite simply, Im trying to warn not to end up like me. See, you c/t'd off of percs and made it, a stronger drug than norcos. you are right, I should not knock the rapid detox on the lady at the start of this, it worked, and being clean is priceless. Still, i am not conveying my thoughts I guess, because I was not trying to dish on her or any ones method in getting there, Again, simply put the rapid detox method is largely NOT sucessfull. I'm just trying to say save the $6000 if you are on hydros. And if you are going to quote me, dont take it out of context.I have not tried any "way" yet so therefoe Im not unhappy, where do you get this from?I'm not mad because she did not do it my way, I dont have a "way". Im allowed to state my opion here, and Im sorry, but the majority of hydro addicts dont need to spend the large sum of money for a rapid detox, they'll be fine in 3-4 days. Get your facts strait before you try and tell me how I feel and that Im ripping on others for not doing it "my way". I made it very clear addiction is an individual beast and everyone will arrive at sobriety in a different way.And there isn't a damn thing you can do to help me and my situation. I was never one to take advice from such easily offended individuals.
well frank, if you come for positive thoughts, then dont respond with negative ones. The world must be a b**** to you for you to get your panties in wad so easily, and I wont be dissapointed in not hearing from you, I never asked your advice anyway.
and when did I compare a decision to get off of drugs to shopping?Dinner? read me my quote back on that because I can't seem to find it. please.We both no its a little harder than that.
After loosing it all, my life is back in order, thank you. I am transitioned onto suboxone from the meth, and my wife and children will be back soon, not that you care. You have some nerve coming at me like you do when I'm simply stating the obvious and trying to help those that want it. Dont be a hypocrite and initiate a negative response if you want positive thoughts, Sorry to break the news to you frank, there isnt a whole lot positive about addiction, drugs aor detox. I would advise a positive thought sharing forum for you. This here is real life s*** with people suffering and dying because of addiction, and that my friend is not very positive.I have an obligation to share what I've learned over 15 years of addiction to every opiate out there.Sorry it is'nt pretty enough for you, but they are facts. And people who want to get clean can do it if they decide they want to do it. No one is picking on anyones methods here or saying my way is the only way. Take it for what it is, ADVICE. And if you dont like it, move on. But dont criticize me for what I've lived, seen and learned and for sharing it with others. I'm not writing the websters dictionary here.
and when did I compare a decision to get off of drugs to shopping?Dinner? read me my quote back on that because I can't seem to find it. please.We both no its a little harder than that.
After loosing it all, my life is back in order, thank you. I am transitioned onto suboxone from the meth, and my wife and children will be back soon, not that you care. You have some nerve coming at me like you do when I'm simply stating the obvious and trying to help those that want it. Dont be a hypocrite and initiate a negative response if you want positive thoughts, Sorry to break the news to you frank, there isnt a whole lot positive about addiction, drugs aor detox. I would advise a positive thought sharing forum for you. This here is real life s*** with people suffering and dying because of addiction, and that my friend is not very positive.I have an obligation to share what I've learned over 15 years of addiction to every opiate out there.Sorry it is'nt pretty enough for you, but they are facts. And people who want to get clean can do it if they decide they want to do it. No one is picking on anyones methods here or saying my way is the only way. Take it for what it is, ADVICE. And if you dont like it, move on. But dont criticize me for what I've lived, seen and learned and for sharing it with others. I'm not writing the websters dictionary here.
CS
Ok so I lied about not posting to you anymore,,,,,First of all don't tell me how I feel about things. I said I was sorry about your situation and I was at the time. You just insinuated that I don't care,,,,,,,,well you know what??? You're right. I could care less about you. You're a bitter person and as far as I'm concerned a real a**hole. In one day you've managed to get 2 threads locked,,,,yes this will be locked soon, and I'm pissed at myself for getting involved but when I'm pushed,,,I push back so lets take this off the board.
Also if you bothered to read for a few days before you stick your two cents in you would see that there is a lot of positive here.
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Coldshot
hello,Wow first day and already in trouble .lol.Glad you hear you and doing good of sub. and you are getting your life back in order.The wife and kids thats GREAT.You will learn here to take what you can and leave the rest.Eveyones opion will be different.Expect the one that are petpee's ,petwee's,or peewee's (what are they called soccermom)lol...just play soccermom..We are all going through different stages in our addiction.Theres are alot of good people here that have been clean from a long time.We could learn from them rather its cold trukey,suboxone,meth,.or rapid detox and ect....its our decion to take the advive from the person but,what works for one dont work for all.No one will be the same or recovery the same way you choose.Its good to have to you here and im not knocking anything you have said its your opion .Im saying keep posting and just try to tune out what bothers you about what others say that you dont like unless you are pointed at and know you right.Also,if someones doing it a different way that you wouldnt do it,Just give them your advive .No i take that back because we all think when we have a plan that we are right and no one can tell us differently.LOL....I come to except that in my life.Im on sub. which has been great as well.I have out burst of anger and had to learn to control it .it started a few weeks after on sub.This is just what i think ok.That i have this anger out burst because i have been knum for so long and ketp thing balled up inside of me and now that i feel thing i havent felt in a long long time it affects me.I can cry,laugh,smile,and feel now.Something i havent done in a long time.My mom past april 2004 i didnt cry and feel anything until one year came around and i had to deal with it and face it head on.I still deal with alot of deprestion alot and i hope that i can find what helps it.Id like to hear your story and welcome you to the board.im not saying any of this at you i have told you this about me and what im going through dont take it as she thinks this is my problem.Its my problem what im going through.take care,crystal
hello,Wow first day and already in trouble .lol.Glad you hear you and doing good of sub. and you are getting your life back in order.The wife and kids thats GREAT.You will learn here to take what you can and leave the rest.Eveyones opion will be different.Expect the one that are petpee's ,petwee's,or peewee's (what are they called soccermom)lol...just play soccermom..We are all going through different stages in our addiction.Theres are alot of good people here that have been clean from a long time.We could learn from them rather its cold trukey,suboxone,meth,.or rapid detox and ect....its our decion to take the advive from the person but,what works for one dont work for all.No one will be the same or recovery the same way you choose.Its good to have to you here and im not knocking anything you have said its your opion .Im saying keep posting and just try to tune out what bothers you about what others say that you dont like unless you are pointed at and know you right.Also,if someones doing it a different way that you wouldnt do it,Just give them your advive .No i take that back because we all think when we have a plan that we are right and no one can tell us differently.LOL....I come to except that in my life.Im on sub. which has been great as well.I have out burst of anger and had to learn to control it .it started a few weeks after on sub.This is just what i think ok.That i have this anger out burst because i have been knum for so long and ketp thing balled up inside of me and now that i feel thing i havent felt in a long long time it affects me.I can cry,laugh,smile,and feel now.Something i havent done in a long time.My mom past april 2004 i didnt cry and feel anything until one year came around and i had to deal with it and face it head on.I still deal with alot of deprestion alot and i hope that i can find what helps it.Id like to hear your story and welcome you to the board.im not saying any of this at you i have told you this about me and what im going through dont take it as she thinks this is my problem.Its my problem what im going through.take care,crystal
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Crystal,
thank you for your kind response. Its nice to know there are some nice sincere people in this forum. I am deeply sorry about what you have had to deal with. I too deal with the pain of loss and have made a bad habit of running to a fix to cure my aching inards.But freedom is on the horizon and trying to deal day by day.Thank you for understanding what i wrote and not getting offended, I'm just trying to be real and help, and as always, its just advice-everyone sails a different ship in recovery, but we still need the means to make it sail. We all can help each other if we are honest, and that was all I was trying to do.I would love to share my story but I dont feel this is the place due to some of the responses I've gotten from my previous posts.I just can't share some of the deepest parts of my life here if you know what I mean.Peace and god bless.
thank you for your kind response. Its nice to know there are some nice sincere people in this forum. I am deeply sorry about what you have had to deal with. I too deal with the pain of loss and have made a bad habit of running to a fix to cure my aching inards.But freedom is on the horizon and trying to deal day by day.Thank you for understanding what i wrote and not getting offended, I'm just trying to be real and help, and as always, its just advice-everyone sails a different ship in recovery, but we still need the means to make it sail. We all can help each other if we are honest, and that was all I was trying to do.I would love to share my story but I dont feel this is the place due to some of the responses I've gotten from my previous posts.I just can't share some of the deepest parts of my life here if you know what I mean.Peace and god bless.
hey coldshot,
its cool dont be offended, i hear you loud and clear, my way isnt the popular way either, so dont feel discriminated against we discriminate equaly around here lol i dont have a way either, my is god's way, i did cold turkey with help of a detox dr cause i was on benzo's but it was a 5 day only process the rest was mental and that was work through counceling, after that i was left with me and god. so i do hear what you are saying. i reallly dont think anyones way is very popular and everyones satistics sounds depressingly low no matter what way they spew it out. so i hear you loud and clear. get educated with cold hard facts of reality then chose a way that you think fits your lifestyle.
terrianne
its cool dont be offended, i hear you loud and clear, my way isnt the popular way either, so dont feel discriminated against we discriminate equaly around here lol i dont have a way either, my is god's way, i did cold turkey with help of a detox dr cause i was on benzo's but it was a 5 day only process the rest was mental and that was work through counceling, after that i was left with me and god. so i do hear what you are saying. i reallly dont think anyones way is very popular and everyones satistics sounds depressingly low no matter what way they spew it out. so i hear you loud and clear. get educated with cold hard facts of reality then chose a way that you think fits your lifestyle.
terrianne
