Ok I am really confused about something.I know this is a addiction site.I respect that or would like to think I do.I dont know how many of you know that I take suboxone.My Dr say it will probaly be for the rest of my life to be away of dealing with the Chrons pain daily.Now I know I could NOT handle holding any other kind of pain pill.I would eat them like candy.BUT I guess what Im confused about is when anyone here takes 1 pill & they have someone else hold the script why there is so much......I guess crap about it.Ill be the first to admit,if I had someone else holding my pain pills & I needed 1 I dont think Id feel guilty.
I mean if you are IN that much pain & cannot handle it why beat yourself up over taking 1 pill?And if you are responsabile enough to know that holding your own script is a no no & you have someone hold them & give them to you ONLY when needed why is there so much......crap about it.
Im not starting this post for trouble I really dont understand.Why will some of you live in pain instead of taking under control 1 pill?Im just confused....mj
I agree with you MJ...but i guess part of it is the fact that it was once a problem...always a problem
Hey Janet!!! How are you doing?Im just confused big time.I mean I know for a fact I cannot have a bottle of pain pills here(no matter the kind)Id be like Pac Man,the sub is different.I have no desire to take more than what my Dr says.But if I had someone hold a script & I needed some relief Im going to take one & try my damntest NOT to feel guilty for needing it.,,,,,
molly,
that has been my question and I posted it several weeks back what was the big deal .... pain issues are different. If you take as prescribed for LEGIT pain and someone holds them and is aware of your addiction and is educated about addictive behaviors then it is ok.... as addicts we cant get high on the dose a doctor prescribes anyway.. at least I cant.. but it would be semi effective on real pain. The problem that I would have to be aware of in the mental crap this would start and be ready to deal with it by talking about it and being open and honest... that is were the recovery comes in. So to again say... I really dont know why some of the people on here with pain issues think they cant take there meds under those conditions unless they dont want to fess up about there abusing them and get someone to hold there meds ( which is my theory) and why some that are clean think the same way.
Glad you brought that up. cause being in constant pain and thinking about it ALL the time is a sure fire way to buy yourself a relapse anyway.....
Teresa
that has been my question and I posted it several weeks back what was the big deal .... pain issues are different. If you take as prescribed for LEGIT pain and someone holds them and is aware of your addiction and is educated about addictive behaviors then it is ok.... as addicts we cant get high on the dose a doctor prescribes anyway.. at least I cant.. but it would be semi effective on real pain. The problem that I would have to be aware of in the mental crap this would start and be ready to deal with it by talking about it and being open and honest... that is were the recovery comes in. So to again say... I really dont know why some of the people on here with pain issues think they cant take there meds under those conditions unless they dont want to fess up about there abusing them and get someone to hold there meds ( which is my theory) and why some that are clean think the same way.
Glad you brought that up. cause being in constant pain and thinking about it ALL the time is a sure fire way to buy yourself a relapse anyway.....
Teresa
i do the same...i have some pain meds...never been my DOC...i don't like the way they make me feel, but when i need them they are there...i had a scrip for 20 that lasted me 6 weeks...i just got another scrip and it sits in my medicine chest...i've been taking 1 or 2 every couple of days, when the ibuprofen doesn't kick it...i can't see me having a problem with them, but if i start taking them just "cause" they will make the spiral swim...i've noticed that they make me eat more and give me an upset stomach, and make me sweat, so not a whole lotta point to taking them unless they are necessary
Thank you for your input both of you.I just cant see living in that much pain daily.Besides it is proven that if you are in pain & let it just go it will wreak havic on you both mentally & emotionally.I dont know I hate to see people feel so guilty over 1 needed pill.I think Im gonna sign off for now.I have lots of food for thought now.I hope you both have an awesome day....mj
MJ-I think the real question is why are you feeling so guilty?I havent seen anyone attacked for taking a pain pill as directed by a physicain for pain here.
You just attacked me in another thread for advising someone get additional F2F support.Its all in perception.I still dont think smoking a joint or dropping a hit of ecstasy is anything but about getting high.I dont have anything against you or even know you but stepping back may be a good thing.
I hope you get some resolution today.
Peace
You just attacked me in another thread for advising someone get additional F2F support.Its all in perception.I still dont think smoking a joint or dropping a hit of ecstasy is anything but about getting high.I dont have anything against you or even know you but stepping back may be a good thing.
I hope you get some resolution today.
Peace
Dear Tim as far as that other post I tried to hurry an admit I may of read it wrong.I said I was sorry for that & got your "backlash"As I said I was sorry now let it die....mj
Bumps I guess we are all different. My dOC is cocaine. But due to all my surgeries My tolerance level for Opiates is sky high. For many yrs 5 mg Percs pills 1-2 with a few beers was a nice buzz
Today I need 4-6 at a time to feel anyhring. Makes the pain worse.
I would be very careful as you can become addicted overnight to opiates. My feeling is if you need pain meds you need surgery unless you are dying of a painful illness. Of course after a surgery pain meds are needed. justhave to give them to a loved one to dispense as we would abuse them.-
Janet you areplaying with fire be careful.
JMHO
Jeff
Today I need 4-6 at a time to feel anyhring. Makes the pain worse.
I would be very careful as you can become addicted overnight to opiates. My feeling is if you need pain meds you need surgery unless you are dying of a painful illness. Of course after a surgery pain meds are needed. justhave to give them to a loved one to dispense as we would abuse them.-
Janet you areplaying with fire be careful.
JMHO
Jeff
you are entitled to your opinion...i know that i will never be a pain pill addict, i've taken them for years and have never found them to be a problem...that's just me
Hey Molls....My perception of this is that it's not that others attack the person who took the pill, it's that they are beating themsleves up pretty good.
Now, what Teresa said. If you take them as prescribed and you are accountable to someone else, you are not abusing and you haven't lost your clean time. Just that simple..
Have a great day hon
Cowgirl
Now, what Teresa said. If you take them as prescribed and you are accountable to someone else, you are not abusing and you haven't lost your clean time. Just that simple..
Have a great day hon
Cowgirl
Nobody ever got grief for taking prescribed pain pills under a doctors supervision or under the supervision of somebody else.
I agree with cowgirl
and i'm not going to be put on the defensive because i can take pain meds...
everyone is entitled to their own opinions...period....
and i'm not going to be put on the defensive because i can take pain meds...
everyone is entitled to their own opinions...period....
Here's an opinion. Just mine. No one elses.If someone comes here because they are abusing pain pills and are scared and don't know how to stop, we are here to help them and tell them how we got off pills. If they are abusing other drugs and we have abused them we help them with those drugs. So, if after abusing pain pills a person wants to take them as prescribed, we know, from our own experiences that it usually can't be done. And we tell them our experiences. Myself, I would abuse any pilll that changed the way I felt. Not everyone is like that. I have friends in AA that can take the stuff I abused and they don't like them and don't abuse them. Do I think they are clean or using? Doesn't matter, it's not my business. I won't sponsor them but that's my choice. Ok, I'm getting off track here...Each of us can only share our experience, strength and hope here. We shouldn't judge whether a person is clean or not if they are taking pills as prescribed. (We do though, it's human nature, I think. Or just another character defect?) It's not our business. BUT If they come here ASKING for help and ASKING what we think, they MAKE it our business.
Everybody here has their own demons or they wouldn't be here. And we share our hope. If we're clean, we tell others how we did it and how wonderful life is without drugs. I dunno, maybe a pill head CAN drink responsibly. Maybe a drunk CAN take pills responsibly. Who knows? I can only speak for me and the addicts that I know. We can't do anything that will get us high.
I don't understand why anyone would come to a recovery site and post that they are clean but taking (insert drug here) and then get angry if someone calls them on their crap. I don't mean people on prescribed sub or a pain reliever that is being taken as prescribed but if someone gets a pill from a friend or significant other and then justifies it by saying it was needed for whatever reason, why come to a recovery site to get someone to say "its ok honey, you didn't mean it". Isn't a recovery site supposed to be about recovery? How are we helping someone by telling them its ok to use? I am confused too.
Sorry this is so long.
12 stepper
Everybody here has their own demons or they wouldn't be here. And we share our hope. If we're clean, we tell others how we did it and how wonderful life is without drugs. I dunno, maybe a pill head CAN drink responsibly. Maybe a drunk CAN take pills responsibly. Who knows? I can only speak for me and the addicts that I know. We can't do anything that will get us high.
I don't understand why anyone would come to a recovery site and post that they are clean but taking (insert drug here) and then get angry if someone calls them on their crap. I don't mean people on prescribed sub or a pain reliever that is being taken as prescribed but if someone gets a pill from a friend or significant other and then justifies it by saying it was needed for whatever reason, why come to a recovery site to get someone to say "its ok honey, you didn't mean it". Isn't a recovery site supposed to be about recovery? How are we helping someone by telling them its ok to use? I am confused too.
Sorry this is so long.
12 stepper
Oh god, a voice of reason..thank you 12 stepper.
I was starting to feel like an alien. And someone needed to beam me up...
I was starting to feel like an alien. And someone needed to beam me up...
i agree, 12stepper, the voice of reason!
IMHO i think this is a great site for trying to get ready and go through w/d's and read from everyone elses experience and to get some inspiration and motivation to make that decision to get clean. From what i read it seems that 3/4 or more of people on here are on something. Be it pain stuff, opiate blockers, alcohol or even AD's. They all alter your mind somehow. I think we come here for suggestions, not to get beat up for searching other ways to cope. Like i just said, it seems like everyone is on something.....
you are right James
Nope, not everyone. Some of us are completely drug and alcohol free (no matter what)
12 stepper
12 stepper
12 stepper Amen to that. That is my goal had it for 3 days. LOL --
Take care--Jeff
Take care--Jeff
