Hi Cowgirl,
Just wanted to explain some things to you that maybe you don't understand about being delivered from drugs by God.
He DOES do those miracles and they are wonderful, thank goodness he saved me! But we are all given FREE WILL which would explain why she( the girl from an earlier post today that was delivered from crack cocaine) fell into the drugs again. The devil seeks to kill and destroy, he knows all of our weaknesses...hers was obviouslby drugs. So he used that. You do not have to "fall from grace" to fall back into drugs after receiving a gift like that from God.
But it was unlike you to mock what happened to me and to her...was beneath you I think. And I gotta say, that I wouldn't want to be standing close by you when lightening strikes! Mocking is never a good thing. I am not being all self righteous here...it just happened to me, personally and obviously to her...and it hurt to have you make fun of a very personal and beautiful spiritual experience we had. Don't make fun of things you don't understand, and I will do the same ok?
Don't understand what's going on lately cause I know you have had some close calls with your health, and I thought I remembered you asking for prayer?! Why pray to a God that obviously can't or won't save one of his children from the grips of drugs.
I really don't want to argue with you Lisa, but I do not understand what can possibly be accomplished by attacking her and Guess because he didn't agree with you about tough love! Good thing the moderators are helping you cause then everyone would have seen what they took out.
I want to believe you ARE the person you say you are....the person that many say they have been helped by. I don't want to ever believe that you intended to make fun of Him or those of us that have experienced spiritual deliverances! They are GOOD things! By pass NA/AA and go straight to God!
I am sure that Bill W. knew who his higher power was and never ever made fun of Him from his podium. People looked up to him ( Bill W), respected him and believed that what he said was true because that was the only hope they had left in this world.
Take care of yourself Lisa. I really hope that everything is ok with you cause you do not sound like yourself. In all sincerity, I hope all is well with you.
Best regards,
Clancy
The Mods delete the above post of yours from another thread and you can't just let it go. You make an a** of yourself by posting it again to Cowgirl. What is your f***ing problem with her? She has done nothing to you, why can't you just leave her alone? Lisa has been thru hell and back and does not need this.
Here is my thoughts on tough love.......telling someone to continue to do drugs and die in an alleyway after losing everything, their house , family, job,home, and after putting their family thru hell.
If you think us telling someone to get up off their a** and get to a meeting is tough love then so be it. I'll be tough every chance I get.
I wish you would get a life, get some help and get off this board. The person who is telling you to do this is just using you too, and you will find that out.
Here is my thoughts on tough love.......telling someone to continue to do drugs and die in an alleyway after losing everything, their house , family, job,home, and after putting their family thru hell.
If you think us telling someone to get up off their a** and get to a meeting is tough love then so be it. I'll be tough every chance I get.
I wish you would get a life, get some help and get off this board. The person who is telling you to do this is just using you too, and you will find that out.
Geesh,
Give it a rest already Clancy. Your making yourself look bad again. Can't you go up and act mature for atleast one day?
Give it a rest already Clancy. Your making yourself look bad again. Can't you go up and act mature for atleast one day?
Here we go again - some people just dont know when to quit.
Good morning all, please have a great and unargumentive day!!!:o)
Love,
Marie
Good morning all, please have a great and unargumentive day!!!:o)
Love,
Marie
Here here Marie!! I look at this board nearly every day but all the drama puts me off posting and sharing!!!
Clancey just let it lie and go and get on with recovery, it must still be hard even after 15yrs?
Cowgirl you know i really respect ya, and i really enjoy what you've got to say, you make sense to me.
Love to you all
Gabbi
Clancey just let it lie and go and get on with recovery, it must still be hard even after 15yrs?
Cowgirl you know i really respect ya, and i really enjoy what you've got to say, you make sense to me.
Love to you all
Gabbi
My thoughts exactly Gabbi. I'm off to take the kids to school, so hope EVERYONE has a great day!
Love,
Marie
Love,
Marie
Hi clancy,
I am the other girl and i don't know what is going on but i can assure you. Never mind .. our God does not need defended.. amen? anyway i wish you the best Clancy..and thanks
I am the other girl and i don't know what is going on but i can assure you. Never mind .. our God does not need defended.. amen? anyway i wish you the best Clancy..and thanks
To cowgirl,
You say you believe my deliverance story is a crock.. you are entitled to your opinion my friend.. we can agree to disagree and still be friends! Now there's a new concept for many...i wish you the best..
You say you believe my deliverance story is a crock.. you are entitled to your opinion my friend.. we can agree to disagree and still be friends! Now there's a new concept for many...i wish you the best..
Ok, sorry, no more drama from me guys. Just wanted to explain something, cause I was made fun of. But I will let it all go...it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm sorry if I have made you upset. And I hope by letting it go, I have made your day a little brighter!
I really am not a trouble maker...I am a fun person (normally) and I have a very large heart for the hurting everywhere. If I thought for one second that I was making this board so dramatic that it would people off posting...then I would not have posted. I rarely do post. Therefore, an apology.
But honest.... You can speak to me without using the F word, I really do hate that. Coming out a ladies mouth just makes me crazy!! I can understand any sentence without that word, ok? I am trying to have a sense of humor here.
Again, sorry. I was just really upset when I was made fun of about something so precious to me. Guess I didn't handle myself very well...apologizes.
Actually, I thought the topic yesterday went very well and alot of people had lots to say, pro and con.
Clancy
But Kiwi, it's comments like yours to me that are what made people turn from you in the first place, which is where this all started. I will grow up & try harder if you will back off too?! Deal?
I really am not a trouble maker...I am a fun person (normally) and I have a very large heart for the hurting everywhere. If I thought for one second that I was making this board so dramatic that it would people off posting...then I would not have posted. I rarely do post. Therefore, an apology.
But honest.... You can speak to me without using the F word, I really do hate that. Coming out a ladies mouth just makes me crazy!! I can understand any sentence without that word, ok? I am trying to have a sense of humor here.
Again, sorry. I was just really upset when I was made fun of about something so precious to me. Guess I didn't handle myself very well...apologizes.
Actually, I thought the topic yesterday went very well and alot of people had lots to say, pro and con.
Clancy
But Kiwi, it's comments like yours to me that are what made people turn from you in the first place, which is where this all started. I will grow up & try harder if you will back off too?! Deal?
Sharon,
Why do you feel as if you always have to defend Cowgirl? Think she needs you to do her talking for her?
Only time you say anything on this board is when you are out for an attack.
Get on with Recovery, will you? Same goes for you Kiwi. I can understand though Kiwi, 40 days and you would still be in a fog. Just hang in there. It will lift.
You guys are telling Clancy to let it go and yet you all jumped in to respond. Take your own advice. You guys say you are clean and this is the way you act?
Give me a break...
Why do you feel as if you always have to defend Cowgirl? Think she needs you to do her talking for her?
Only time you say anything on this board is when you are out for an attack.
Get on with Recovery, will you? Same goes for you Kiwi. I can understand though Kiwi, 40 days and you would still be in a fog. Just hang in there. It will lift.
You guys are telling Clancy to let it go and yet you all jumped in to respond. Take your own advice. You guys say you are clean and this is the way you act?
Give me a break...
Clancey,
I had decided yesterday that I wasnt going to post for awhile and I wasnt going to announce it with fanfare ... but I was going to lay back because everyone (mostly) was totally misunderstanding what the issue of tough love was as it was pertaining to the board discussion as evidenced by guess' reference in there post in that thread. it was appearent that no words from me was going to get through anyones head. Let me point out thatthat no one could ever pin pointwhere I had ever been mean using any form of tough love... I have been over the top in the heat of the moment that I havent been proud of but not in talking tough love of recovery... Sharon post here put tough love into perspective... as it pertains to this board discussion.... I would like to address guess' idea of tough love in life consequenses but not in this post.
As far as your talking about your gift from God ... I truely am glad for you... but I must say... when you constantly talk about it ... it comes across at least to me as being a little self -righteous.... you talk about recovery when you your self have not known about walking in the darkness of fighting cravings and using dreams and all the junk.... and like we werent good enough to get such a gift.... so that is just my too cents....
I dont really condone what Cowgirl said... but I understand her frustration all too well... some of us have had to fight tooth and nail to get the time that we have and then to have someone like you that has by you own admission said that is hasnt been so hard because of your 'gift'..... cut on us about being so mean and rude (your opinion).... well it gets a little hard to take when you havent even remotely been in our shoes in recovery....
Teresa
I had decided yesterday that I wasnt going to post for awhile and I wasnt going to announce it with fanfare ... but I was going to lay back because everyone (mostly) was totally misunderstanding what the issue of tough love was as it was pertaining to the board discussion as evidenced by guess' reference in there post in that thread. it was appearent that no words from me was going to get through anyones head. Let me point out thatthat no one could ever pin pointwhere I had ever been mean using any form of tough love... I have been over the top in the heat of the moment that I havent been proud of but not in talking tough love of recovery... Sharon post here put tough love into perspective... as it pertains to this board discussion.... I would like to address guess' idea of tough love in life consequenses but not in this post.
As far as your talking about your gift from God ... I truely am glad for you... but I must say... when you constantly talk about it ... it comes across at least to me as being a little self -righteous.... you talk about recovery when you your self have not known about walking in the darkness of fighting cravings and using dreams and all the junk.... and like we werent good enough to get such a gift.... so that is just my too cents....
I dont really condone what Cowgirl said... but I understand her frustration all too well... some of us have had to fight tooth and nail to get the time that we have and then to have someone like you that has by you own admission said that is hasnt been so hard because of your 'gift'..... cut on us about being so mean and rude (your opinion).... well it gets a little hard to take when you havent even remotely been in our shoes in recovery....
Teresa
can't you just leave it??? and lets all focus on helping each other get better, cos i for one know i need help!
great post tereasa
great post tereasa
Hey Gabbi,
If you need help start a thread asking for help. I'm sure people would be more then happy to help you....
Have a nice day.
If you need help start a thread asking for help. I'm sure people would be more then happy to help you....
Have a nice day.
Teresa,
It's funny how you and only Cowgirls friends see's Clancy post as self righteous. No body else does. We can totally understand her point. I think she has made awesome points and so has everyone else on the issue of tough love not being a good method to be using when you don't know the person. Read the chapter in the big book, chapter 7 that August put in the other post and learn how to help another fellow addict.
Have a nice day.
It's funny how you and only Cowgirls friends see's Clancy post as self righteous. No body else does. We can totally understand her point. I think she has made awesome points and so has everyone else on the issue of tough love not being a good method to be using when you don't know the person. Read the chapter in the big book, chapter 7 that August put in the other post and learn how to help another fellow addict.
Have a nice day.
gabbi,
If you need help or have a question... just post what is on your mind and someone will be more than willing to respond with encouragement and good advise .. that I am sure.... The help and support of this board will transend the often heated debates that occurr... the only problem is that people with significant recovery do get frustrated and will not stick around for the battering of close minded people ...that can not have an honest mature discussion on issue that often devide us as a group with disease...
But I am sure you will get the support from strong recoverying people that you need....
good luck to you...
If you need help or have a question... just post what is on your mind and someone will be more than willing to respond with encouragement and good advise .. that I am sure.... The help and support of this board will transend the often heated debates that occurr... the only problem is that people with significant recovery do get frustrated and will not stick around for the battering of close minded people ...that can not have an honest mature discussion on issue that often devide us as a group with disease...
But I am sure you will get the support from strong recoverying people that you need....
good luck to you...
Yet Teresa you continue to post......How contradicting huh?
Have a nice day
Have a nice day
Liz,
You and Clancy are the same.
You post like 100 times a day it seems like. Don't you have a job or something more productive to do them be rude about people who arent even here.
You and Clancy are the same.
You post like 100 times a day it seems like. Don't you have a job or something more productive to do them be rude about people who arent even here.
Kiwi,
I hope you are feeling better today. I know it must be hard getting through the days with that thick fog controlling your thinking. It truley will lift. Just hang in there, ok?
Have a nice day, :o)
I hope you are feeling better today. I know it must be hard getting through the days with that thick fog controlling your thinking. It truley will lift. Just hang in there, ok?
Have a nice day, :o)
Teresa,
That was really a good post and helped to open my eyes to how others might take it. I never meant to appear self righteous or better than anyone else, I just consider myself very lucky that I didn't have to go that way. I guess it is open to anyone, really, if desperate enough, I'm not special that's for sure. But your point is well taken and I understand completely.
If I can pay you a compliment, I would like to...I have been watching this board for a long time, and have seen many people jump into the fray when they thought their friends were being attacked...like on the playground if we want to look it as when we were children. But we're not children. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by your continual responses of understanding and trying to see both sides of the issue. That is all I try to do...really, and I am very impressed with you. Thought you would just blindly follow the pack. You are truely an open minded person and I think if someone would want honest advice, that they should speak to you Teresa. For those reasons.
It takes open mindedness and compassion I'm sure to deal with the issues that come on this board. I do try to help people in church w/ drug issues. You would be surprised how many people in the church are addicted. Maybe I didn't exactly say that as I had intended, but I have a new found respect for your opinion. You have a mind of your own.
If you have read the few posts that I have posted, which are few...I have tried to only open the eyes of people to the "other" side of the debate...the side that says, have a relationship with the person, earn their trust and then....you use the tough love, without having done those first steps, how do you get them to ever listen to you?
I know I flew off the handle yesterday and was just hurt by Lisa mocking my experience. I should have just let it go and know as Fear said, that God doesn't need defending. That was stupid of me, I was very tired. But I don't think I should be told to get a life and get off of this board. I feel that I have a right to my opinion as does every one else here, and to express that opinion without fear of being attacked by what feels like hungry wolves. I just want an open minded, open hearted discussion...minus the attacks and name calling too.
I have come a long way these last 15 years...and am saddened when I see what I let bother me to the point where I lash out. I haven't done anything like that for...I don't know how long!! Must be the holiday stress!
I am in my real life...a fun (if I do say so myself!) giving, caring friend. I was hoping when I stuck my neck out here a month or so ago after 3 months of just watching, that I would make some friends, which I did. Many of the people on here I look at as my board buddies. Don't know why Lisa and I just can't seem to agree on many things! We have talked about it and have agreed to disagree and be friends. Guess that is why I was upset by some comments.
So, enough said on the issue i guess. Maybe this would be a good topic for the day before Thanksgiving. Giving thanks for the friends that we have, our families, our freedom and our freedom from drugs!!
Please forgive me for sounding so self righteous everyone. Not my intention, I was just passionate about what happened to me and it came off totally wrong. I would love nothing more than to be friends with people on this board. And not just "fair weather" friends...Friends that will listen when they don't agree with what I say and will be willing to hear my side without resorting to flame throwing. A friend that will tell me when I'm wrong, with love. I think these are things that we are all looking for in this life.
Im impressed by you Teresa, and I'm not just saying this to suck up to you and try to win you over. I am being sincere. I am actually surprised by my reaction!! Which is a good thing. I feel like I can trust you when words come out of your mouth without having to see what "team" you are on and if you are going to bash me in the next post. Integrity. I think you got it !! And I hope that others on here will give me a chance to show them the real me...the fun me, the nice me, the person that will be there for you no matter what time of the day or night it is. And the me that can lose her temper quickly and not listen! I have a witch side, obviouly!
But thanks Teresa for the post. And I do hope that we can start a new thread of the things that we would like to give thanks for. Maybe it will be taken more seriously if you start it Teresa, since you aren't on everyone's list at the moment! haha.
Hope you have a blessed Thanksgiving everyone. I am hoping for a fresh new start. One with no BS and no side taking....just what is in our hearts!! Real friends. I think, I know, that is possible even on the internet. Am looking forward to hearing from you Teresa and hopefully others. I really never meant any harm...just have strong feelings about certain things. As we all do and I'm very new at '"computer writing" to make sure you write things so that they are not misinterpreted.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Clancy
That was really a good post and helped to open my eyes to how others might take it. I never meant to appear self righteous or better than anyone else, I just consider myself very lucky that I didn't have to go that way. I guess it is open to anyone, really, if desperate enough, I'm not special that's for sure. But your point is well taken and I understand completely.
If I can pay you a compliment, I would like to...I have been watching this board for a long time, and have seen many people jump into the fray when they thought their friends were being attacked...like on the playground if we want to look it as when we were children. But we're not children. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by your continual responses of understanding and trying to see both sides of the issue. That is all I try to do...really, and I am very impressed with you. Thought you would just blindly follow the pack. You are truely an open minded person and I think if someone would want honest advice, that they should speak to you Teresa. For those reasons.
It takes open mindedness and compassion I'm sure to deal with the issues that come on this board. I do try to help people in church w/ drug issues. You would be surprised how many people in the church are addicted. Maybe I didn't exactly say that as I had intended, but I have a new found respect for your opinion. You have a mind of your own.
If you have read the few posts that I have posted, which are few...I have tried to only open the eyes of people to the "other" side of the debate...the side that says, have a relationship with the person, earn their trust and then....you use the tough love, without having done those first steps, how do you get them to ever listen to you?
I know I flew off the handle yesterday and was just hurt by Lisa mocking my experience. I should have just let it go and know as Fear said, that God doesn't need defending. That was stupid of me, I was very tired. But I don't think I should be told to get a life and get off of this board. I feel that I have a right to my opinion as does every one else here, and to express that opinion without fear of being attacked by what feels like hungry wolves. I just want an open minded, open hearted discussion...minus the attacks and name calling too.
I have come a long way these last 15 years...and am saddened when I see what I let bother me to the point where I lash out. I haven't done anything like that for...I don't know how long!! Must be the holiday stress!
I am in my real life...a fun (if I do say so myself!) giving, caring friend. I was hoping when I stuck my neck out here a month or so ago after 3 months of just watching, that I would make some friends, which I did. Many of the people on here I look at as my board buddies. Don't know why Lisa and I just can't seem to agree on many things! We have talked about it and have agreed to disagree and be friends. Guess that is why I was upset by some comments.
So, enough said on the issue i guess. Maybe this would be a good topic for the day before Thanksgiving. Giving thanks for the friends that we have, our families, our freedom and our freedom from drugs!!
Please forgive me for sounding so self righteous everyone. Not my intention, I was just passionate about what happened to me and it came off totally wrong. I would love nothing more than to be friends with people on this board. And not just "fair weather" friends...Friends that will listen when they don't agree with what I say and will be willing to hear my side without resorting to flame throwing. A friend that will tell me when I'm wrong, with love. I think these are things that we are all looking for in this life.
Im impressed by you Teresa, and I'm not just saying this to suck up to you and try to win you over. I am being sincere. I am actually surprised by my reaction!! Which is a good thing. I feel like I can trust you when words come out of your mouth without having to see what "team" you are on and if you are going to bash me in the next post. Integrity. I think you got it !! And I hope that others on here will give me a chance to show them the real me...the fun me, the nice me, the person that will be there for you no matter what time of the day or night it is. And the me that can lose her temper quickly and not listen! I have a witch side, obviouly!
But thanks Teresa for the post. And I do hope that we can start a new thread of the things that we would like to give thanks for. Maybe it will be taken more seriously if you start it Teresa, since you aren't on everyone's list at the moment! haha.
Hope you have a blessed Thanksgiving everyone. I am hoping for a fresh new start. One with no BS and no side taking....just what is in our hearts!! Real friends. I think, I know, that is possible even on the internet. Am looking forward to hearing from you Teresa and hopefully others. I really never meant any harm...just have strong feelings about certain things. As we all do and I'm very new at '"computer writing" to make sure you write things so that they are not misinterpreted.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Clancy