Good morning..since this Thread had my name on it, I though I better post. However, after reading through all of this...
I'm going to stay nuetral on this one. I agree with all of you. All have a valid point. I just know what works for me and that's all I can offer. Yes, I get frustrated but only because I hate to see people in pain for longer than necessary. If I comes across as a hard a**, I'm not sorry. Sometimes we have to hear what we don't want to hear and already know. But I also remember that fear, isolation, pain, heartbreak and devastation that this disease will cause. I remember not being able to get 5 days of clean time. I remember people like August kicking my butt and telling me to get over myself and try again. That's what worked for me so that's what I write about when asked "what do I do". It's up to that person to listen or continue to look for the answer that will be the easiest. Pretty soon, they all smarten up and realize there is no easy answer. Just like we did...Bob, Theresa, Gina, Lady M, August, Bender and Sharon.
We have clean time for a reason. Just think about that.
Respectfully,
Cowgirl
HI" i went back a few pages on this pain post and i came across somthing that i remember seeing once but then i did not pay much attention to it at that time' but after what i have read on this post this man who was aparently i guess representing AA/NA his post confused me it was posted on augest 21'st on one of the post that teresachey1 started its under not understanding' a gentelman by the name of bill w. in his post said that AA and NA are attaction not promotion AA/NA does not wish to get involved in controversy and he said, and iam only quoting him' WHAT EVER WAY U CAN STAY CLEAN MY HATS OFF TO U there was no where in this fellows post that said if one does not go to AA/NA they would surely fail and he never said anything against being kind or compassionat now i believe in tough love at times yes' but to say that people who want to try other ways to get clean are cry babies or sappy or just want to find an easy way" is there one because as far as iam concerned there is no such thing as an easy way no matter what one does to get clean/sober u suffer the w/d at first i was very hurt by teresachey1 comments and shocked and i started thinking is that what theses people think of me when i post and ask for support that iam weak" i started doubting my self i thought these people were my friends that we are all in this together but then i remembered this bill w post, and the way i feel about this is when it comes right down to it thats there way and god bless them for that' BUT this is my way and i thank god for that to WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER" FOR ONE IT CAN BE AA/NA THE OTHER IT CAN BE COLD TURKEY" AND THE OTHER IT CAN BE TAPERING" OR SO ON" AND SO ON" PLEASE every ones opinion and suggestion matters here why is it this way all the time' one group against the other group one group is telling folks they will truely fail with out AA/NA the other group is telling the other folks that AA/NA will fail as well, U KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE IN IS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF U ON THIS POST BECAUSE U ARE DOING HOWEVER AND WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO BE FREE OF OUR ADDICTIONS we are all going towards the same goal only in differ'nt ways SO NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES lets just get this monkey off our backs and keep it off' HUGS LITTLE H.
Remember principles before personalities. Easy does it. Feelings aren't facts. One day at a time. Let go and let God. First things first. Keep it simple stupid. Act as if.
bill w. can u please exsplain what u just posted, i was just stating my feelings on this matter as did the others i love each and every one of my supporters here and i have a right to my opinion . LITTLE H.
Those are all "catch phrases" used in NA/AA alike. As a member of AA we are not to be judgemental. In our book it states that we do not wish to engage in any public controversy. I think some of us forget that here and in our meetings. Those phrases mean what they imply "Easy does it" means easy does it. "Act as if" means act as if you are doing what you want to be doing and maybe it will catch. "Principles before personalities" is a little tougher. It where we use our traditions to not get mixed up in other peoples personalities. We have 12 traditions as well as 12 steps. Bill Wilson is the founder of AA I just happen to share his name. I have been sober for many years and I think some people get too involved in personalities. You are correct we all do strive for the same thing. As a member of AA/NA our primary purpose is to help the man who is still suffering. That is if we are truly working a program. I think peoples frustrations stem from the fact that we've all tried to do it without AA/NA and never succeeded. My view is it works for you than God Bless you, my hat is off to you. This is not an AA/NA board it's just addicts sharing one addict to another.
Bill W.
Bill W.
and I share what works for me.....
Cowgirl:
I might add that you share wonderfully what works for you. Keep up the great posts. You truly brighten my day.
I might add that you share wonderfully what works for you. Keep up the great posts. You truly brighten my day.
THANK U" BILL W. I THINK ALOT OF US NEEDED TO HEAR THAT thanks for taking the time to post i understand what u ment now ' please take care and please post more often. HUGS LITTLE H.
Cowgirl:
I agree w/Bill I love your posts. You were very kind to me when I came here crying about my aching back on day seven. You gave me good direction, Chiropractor, massage and aacupuncture and it all worked. Toolman was around then also, Have you heard from him?
I agree w/Bill I love your posts. You were very kind to me when I came here crying about my aching back on day seven. You gave me good direction, Chiropractor, massage and aacupuncture and it all worked. Toolman was around then also, Have you heard from him?
Well, while we are compiling catch phrases, lets remember:
"your best thinking got you here," and
"Stick with the winners."
"your best thinking got you here," and
"Stick with the winners."
to Little H and others...
First my original post was meant to address the fact that many post on these boards carry the same theme "how do I avoid w/d" and "how do I keep my secret".... and I seem to be posting the same things.... I am not the only one .. with the same frustrations... the same people keep coming back having failed in their own attempt to get clean but are not willing to do it anyother way... I was simply expressing my frustration... and asking if I was coming accross too strong... I may have too much clean time for this board.... because most of the one that come heard just want info about the latest quick drug fix to be comfortable and not be sick.....sorry to those of you who are really trying...but to those of you who that partains to... I am sorry if that hurts your feelings.... I know what it is like to be scared stupid... I was w/ding and going to jail all at the same time... while losing a kid.... so dont tell me about being sick and scared.... been there done that... but I was sick and scared enough that I finally do what I was told.... I am simply trying to help you to avoid making the same mistakes I did... the stats are against you doing it alone... but hay... who am I ...
any way little H if you would please tell me how I hurt your feeling I would really like to try to know so I can make amends or if it is necessary clarify a misunderstanding.... I am not saying the NA/AA way is the only way .. it is simply the only way that worked for me... I tried others...
As for the easier softer way... we are in the same boat ... we are all human and it is human nature to look for the easiest way ... I see methodone ..FOR MOST (I say that lest I start another controversy) and sub as one of the easier softer ways... I think (and most addiction specialist will agree) that these were meant as a last resort or certainly not the first line of treatment.... if you are not using them for pain managment as w/ methodone for a medical condition or you are not actively working with an addictions counselor w/ the sub with a plan to come off with in 6 months... then you are not really trying to be clean.... (that is if you are taking these meds..) For those of you that are not taking meds... my sincere congrats.... on your clean time and if you were able to wean really a miracle... I could not... so if you can do recovery with just this board then do it... the point is Just do it... what ever works... but if you fail... there is another way... maybe after some more research and developement (lol) you will be ready to hear it... ( I have been there... I didnt do this either... I relapsed by just 'white knuckling it') I am talking about people in general....
I went to a meeting last night a shared about this 'controversy' I seem to have started and prayed last night for direction and I still have no answers....I think the bottom line is this.... there are enough people on this board that has NA/AA knowledge to carry that message..... and enough to answer question about all the new 'drugs' to help replace or reduce the w/d ..... and enough people here to hold hands and say poor poor baby....
The last few things I want to say is this ... the meeting I went to is one that I first started out in and eight of the original member from 4 years ago are DEAD.... this is life and death.... it is not a game.... your next relapse may be your last...!.... if you slip keep coming back and start over... dont get discouraged.. dont let anyone keep you from your goal... not me not anyone... I wish the best for you all....no matter what it takes.. it is worth all the pain . and if we put half of the time into recovery as we put into using (getting, thinking about and using) then we can make it... but it does take work... and there is NO quick cure... it didnt happen in one day or one week and it wont be over in one day or one week...
so with that ... I wish you all peace of mink and heart clean from all drugs and the demons that come with them.... no matter what method it takes . I believe in each and everyone of you... and I am sorry for all the misunderstandings along the way.....
God Bless........
First my original post was meant to address the fact that many post on these boards carry the same theme "how do I avoid w/d" and "how do I keep my secret".... and I seem to be posting the same things.... I am not the only one .. with the same frustrations... the same people keep coming back having failed in their own attempt to get clean but are not willing to do it anyother way... I was simply expressing my frustration... and asking if I was coming accross too strong... I may have too much clean time for this board.... because most of the one that come heard just want info about the latest quick drug fix to be comfortable and not be sick.....sorry to those of you who are really trying...but to those of you who that partains to... I am sorry if that hurts your feelings.... I know what it is like to be scared stupid... I was w/ding and going to jail all at the same time... while losing a kid.... so dont tell me about being sick and scared.... been there done that... but I was sick and scared enough that I finally do what I was told.... I am simply trying to help you to avoid making the same mistakes I did... the stats are against you doing it alone... but hay... who am I ...
any way little H if you would please tell me how I hurt your feeling I would really like to try to know so I can make amends or if it is necessary clarify a misunderstanding.... I am not saying the NA/AA way is the only way .. it is simply the only way that worked for me... I tried others...
As for the easier softer way... we are in the same boat ... we are all human and it is human nature to look for the easiest way ... I see methodone ..FOR MOST (I say that lest I start another controversy) and sub as one of the easier softer ways... I think (and most addiction specialist will agree) that these were meant as a last resort or certainly not the first line of treatment.... if you are not using them for pain managment as w/ methodone for a medical condition or you are not actively working with an addictions counselor w/ the sub with a plan to come off with in 6 months... then you are not really trying to be clean.... (that is if you are taking these meds..) For those of you that are not taking meds... my sincere congrats.... on your clean time and if you were able to wean really a miracle... I could not... so if you can do recovery with just this board then do it... the point is Just do it... what ever works... but if you fail... there is another way... maybe after some more research and developement (lol) you will be ready to hear it... ( I have been there... I didnt do this either... I relapsed by just 'white knuckling it') I am talking about people in general....
I went to a meeting last night a shared about this 'controversy' I seem to have started and prayed last night for direction and I still have no answers....I think the bottom line is this.... there are enough people on this board that has NA/AA knowledge to carry that message..... and enough to answer question about all the new 'drugs' to help replace or reduce the w/d ..... and enough people here to hold hands and say poor poor baby....
The last few things I want to say is this ... the meeting I went to is one that I first started out in and eight of the original member from 4 years ago are DEAD.... this is life and death.... it is not a game.... your next relapse may be your last...!.... if you slip keep coming back and start over... dont get discouraged.. dont let anyone keep you from your goal... not me not anyone... I wish the best for you all....no matter what it takes.. it is worth all the pain . and if we put half of the time into recovery as we put into using (getting, thinking about and using) then we can make it... but it does take work... and there is NO quick cure... it didnt happen in one day or one week and it wont be over in one day or one week...
so with that ... I wish you all peace of mink and heart clean from all drugs and the demons that come with them.... no matter what method it takes . I believe in each and everyone of you... and I am sorry for all the misunderstandings along the way.....
God Bless........
I've been to a lot of AA, and a few NA, meetings, but I've never heard an opinion expressed about the "right" way to get clean, i.e., to stop using or drinking in the first instance. [I have heard a great deal said about what works to STAY stopped] Like this Board, people seem to arrive at meetings from all sorts of places and at different stages of recovery: some are still drinking or using; some have gone c/t on their own; detox facilities (where meds were prescribed to help with w/d); rehab programs, etc. The only requirement for attendance at AA/NA is a desire not to drink or use. Those who are still drinking or using are encouraged to keep coming back.
It seems like a lot of the new people who come to this Board are seeking, first, for a safe (maybe less painful) way to stop taking pain pills and get out of the hell they're in. I, for one, tapered as far as I could and then went c/t. That's the experience I share with those who ask. Some people believe that you have to lose everything (reach a low bottom) before you can truly achieve long-term sobriety/clean time. I hope that's not the case. It was not the case for me and alcohol. Pills have been another story, so the jury is still out. At the moment, I go to meetings every day while also attending cognitive-based counseling -- the latter to help me really rewire my messed-up thinking around prescription pain meds. Both are helping, although who the hell knows if I'm doing it "right." I'll try to keep folks apprised. Peace, M.
It seems like a lot of the new people who come to this Board are seeking, first, for a safe (maybe less painful) way to stop taking pain pills and get out of the hell they're in. I, for one, tapered as far as I could and then went c/t. That's the experience I share with those who ask. Some people believe that you have to lose everything (reach a low bottom) before you can truly achieve long-term sobriety/clean time. I hope that's not the case. It was not the case for me and alcohol. Pills have been another story, so the jury is still out. At the moment, I go to meetings every day while also attending cognitive-based counseling -- the latter to help me really rewire my messed-up thinking around prescription pain meds. Both are helping, although who the hell knows if I'm doing it "right." I'll try to keep folks apprised. Peace, M.
Dear Marie,
You are amazing!
God Bless and Big Hugs, Russell
You are amazing!
God Bless and Big Hugs, Russell
HI' TERESACHEY1 i have nothing against u i think u are a a very smart person and i admire u for being clean and staying there' and i never said anything against AA/NA i for one would NEVER DO THAT have u ever read in any of MY POST were i ever said AA/NA does not work at all for anybody period' i for one believe in what ever works for that person like i said what ever it takes right" anyway u asked about how my feelings were hurt" like i said at first my feelings were hurt because when i came to this post i needed alot of hand holding and comforting i was scared to' so when i read your post saying sappy and hand holding ect..ect.. i felt inbarresed and ashamed and maybe i was a cry baby" that i should not opened my self up on this post but after this guy bill w. posted it cleared alot of things up for me' and i went back and reread your post and i know u are only trying to help with shareing your exsperiance' as for me i dont take any other meds to get me through w/d and i have never asked about any eigther but again if that is what helps that person to get clean and sober good for them what ever it takes that works for that one person' for my self it is tappering i cant go cold turkey i went that rout and iam only speaking for me it allmost killed me so my doc said that was not for me" teresachey1 i have come so far thanks to alot of u guys on this post i love life again i like myself again when i go to bed at night i can hardly wait for the morning so i can start anouther new day with my family and being able to get things done and at the end of the day when i see what i have done iam very proud of my self" and i know now i will not ever go back to that type of life agian i can get through any problums with out those little white pills , my cousin brian tried every thing to get clean tappering AA/NA counsling cold turkey but nothing worked for him and iam refering to him not anyone else i dont know maybe he did not want it bad enough" thats why i was determind to do it my way with the help of my doc but thats me anyway i just wanted to let u know iam very thankfull for the help u have givin me and the support u have helped so many people and god bless u for that. LOVE + HUGS LITTLE H.
Teresa,
Where would we be without disagreements, controversy and different ways of doing things? Bored, thats where.
What I can learn from you, is something different than what you could learn from Bob, what Bob could learn from Lady M, is something different than she could learn from August and so on and so on and so on.
I can understand your frustration, its like teaching somebody something and them not "getting it" the first time, second time, etc. But think of how you'd feel when that little light goes on and they finally do.
Myself, I get a little bit from each and every person that posts here. Thats why I like it here. I take that little bit from each person/post and put it all together and usually come up with something good.
While we all certainly will not always agree with everything, we can still be here to help each other and I think that this is our common goal.
Now listen to me Missy, I want to see you and your thick skin continue to post here with all of the knowledge, love and understanding that we have come to love you for.
Roseanne
xoxoxox
(first attempt at tough love)
Where would we be without disagreements, controversy and different ways of doing things? Bored, thats where.
What I can learn from you, is something different than what you could learn from Bob, what Bob could learn from Lady M, is something different than she could learn from August and so on and so on and so on.
I can understand your frustration, its like teaching somebody something and them not "getting it" the first time, second time, etc. But think of how you'd feel when that little light goes on and they finally do.
Myself, I get a little bit from each and every person that posts here. Thats why I like it here. I take that little bit from each person/post and put it all together and usually come up with something good.
While we all certainly will not always agree with everything, we can still be here to help each other and I think that this is our common goal.
Now listen to me Missy, I want to see you and your thick skin continue to post here with all of the knowledge, love and understanding that we have come to love you for.
Roseanne
xoxoxox
(first attempt at tough love)
You Go Roseanne!!!!
Now, it seems to me Teresa, that you havent got a choice now. Majority wins. Especially, when Briar jumped in (when I now shes feeling really crappy) to tell you whats up. How can you possibly leave us now?????
Roseanne -
Sounds like your full of piss and vinegar (is that the right saying) today. How ya doing, girl? What day are you on? Hope you're hanging in there. The storm has slowed down a bit, so it probably wont hit here until tomorrow. So your stuck with me buggin ya for another day!!!
Let me know how youre doing.
Love,
Marie
Now, it seems to me Teresa, that you havent got a choice now. Majority wins. Especially, when Briar jumped in (when I now shes feeling really crappy) to tell you whats up. How can you possibly leave us now?????
Roseanne -
Sounds like your full of piss and vinegar (is that the right saying) today. How ya doing, girl? What day are you on? Hope you're hanging in there. The storm has slowed down a bit, so it probably wont hit here until tomorrow. So your stuck with me buggin ya for another day!!!
Let me know how youre doing.
Love,
Marie
Briar and all,
Thank you for your input.... and clearing the air....
we are all in the same boat... so as it may be healthy in some fashion to rock it a little ... we better not tip it over....lol....least we all fall out...
God Bless....
Teresa
Thank you for your input.... and clearing the air....
we are all in the same boat... so as it may be healthy in some fashion to rock it a little ... we better not tip it over....lol....least we all fall out...
God Bless....
Teresa
LOL.... good one teresa way to go girl that one sure made my day" LOL.... thanks for putting anouther smile on my face. HUGS LITTLE H.
