i know this subject has been debated more times than we care to discuss,if you have legimate pain and pain meds give you a better quialty of life is it wrong to take them?i know that the longer your on them your tollerance is going to go up thats why we end up takeing more and more over a period of time and then we run out before our next script is due then we suffer withdraw,i guess there is really no simple answer to a complacated question,for those reading this post don't let this give you an excuse to go back to useing i am just stateing my own situation,i was wondering if anyone has thought about this and what your thoughts might be..............vinny
I know people say suboxone helps a great deal with their pain Vinny. Have you thought about that. This way you wouldn't be getting the "high effect:" and it may be easier to get off of. I have never taken it but it's a thought. If you have to start taking pain medications again don't beat yourself up over it. If you are in pain than that's what you have to do. Having someone hold them is another option. This way you will have no choice but to take your prescibed amount, which is all you should be taking anyway. Good luck, Rae
HI VINNY,
I AM REALLY CONFUSED TOO, MATTER OF FACT I SAY I AM AN ADDICT BUT A LITTLE PART OF ME SAYS ... ARE YOU REALLY?.. I STILL AM IN PAIN FROM A CAR ACCIDENT 3 YEARS AND SURGERY TWICE FROM THAT ACCIDENT. I NEVER GO OVER MY 6 LORTABS A DAY NOT EVER IN 3 YEARS.. SO AM I AN ADDICT? I STILL FEEL THEY HELP WITH PAIN... BUT I ALSO TAKE THEM FOR 3 YEARS EVERY DAY AND I KNOW I DONT HURT EVERY SINGLE DAY.. SO I GUESS YOU CAN SAY I AM A CONTROLLED ADDICT.??? ANYWAY I AM GOIN OFF ON EASTER... READ THE NEW POST UNDER " ANYONE WANT TO TAKE THE PLUNGE ON EASTER" I HAVE USED ENOUGH EXCUSES .. I DONT WANT TO DIE OF LIVER DAMAGE OR KIDNEY FAILURE... SO I THINK SATAN HAS A GRIP ON ME AND OFF HE GOES...............DIANE
I AM REALLY CONFUSED TOO, MATTER OF FACT I SAY I AM AN ADDICT BUT A LITTLE PART OF ME SAYS ... ARE YOU REALLY?.. I STILL AM IN PAIN FROM A CAR ACCIDENT 3 YEARS AND SURGERY TWICE FROM THAT ACCIDENT. I NEVER GO OVER MY 6 LORTABS A DAY NOT EVER IN 3 YEARS.. SO AM I AN ADDICT? I STILL FEEL THEY HELP WITH PAIN... BUT I ALSO TAKE THEM FOR 3 YEARS EVERY DAY AND I KNOW I DONT HURT EVERY SINGLE DAY.. SO I GUESS YOU CAN SAY I AM A CONTROLLED ADDICT.??? ANYWAY I AM GOIN OFF ON EASTER... READ THE NEW POST UNDER " ANYONE WANT TO TAKE THE PLUNGE ON EASTER" I HAVE USED ENOUGH EXCUSES .. I DONT WANT TO DIE OF LIVER DAMAGE OR KIDNEY FAILURE... SO I THINK SATAN HAS A GRIP ON ME AND OFF HE GOES...............DIANE
He is sure can relate. I have been on same doses for a long,LONG, time. But I have tried not to ask for more. He may not give me anymore anyway. I too have run out many times before. Take a months doses in 2 and half weeks. But hurt due to a fusion in my neck and Shoulders are always hurting. Another doc is playing with the idea of more surgery. So I take them for pain but more would b better, but then withdrawal is so scary.
Hopeing for better days,
Kyra
Hopeing for better days,
Kyra
yea i know all to well about running out early and suffering,thats what i mean i was on the same dose for years so it's bound to happen that your tolerance is going to go up,diane i apperiacte you asking me to take the plunge for easter but i already took the plunge straight into detox a while back and haven't used since,rae i don't know if suboxne would even touch the pain i'm in now or after i get surgery if i get surgery,i'm going to pick the kids up from school and go visit with my brother for a while,talk to ya later...........vinny
Dear vinny I just wanted to add my 2 cents OK?There really is no easy answer to this one.To have pain & not be able to relieve it is a horriable thing.And where do we draw the line between easen our physical pain & not usen.I need some form of pain control but being an addict there is no way I could EVER have a bottle of pills here & not abuse them.Its easy having the sub the more you take the worse you feel so for me it is my ONLY pain control for now.So far the sub is the ONLY DRUG IN MY LIFE that I am not abusing and it helps with the pain.So I dont have a good answer just wanted to butt into your debate because I think it is a great issue to debate,Hope your doing Ok.one of your fly girls..mj
vinny,
I think that the sub was a very very good suggestion.. believe it or not.. and in a min I have an errand to run and I may give you my other thoughts but let me say when you posted that you didnt think that it was a good choice for you cause you didnt think it would touch the pain your in.. dont you thing that was a little fast out of the gait?... I am getting the feeling . ( and you know ... I will get slammed here.. but oh well ...) that you might already be kicked into the thinking that you already are gonna be using and have the pain as an exuse and just want a justification .. sub might be ok.. it might work how do you know...?... but you do know that you might not be able to get high or feel that ole feeling so you seemed really quick to poo poo it... just an observation.. hope you dont get mad at me for saying that..
I care about you and I dont want you to go down that same ole road again.... our minds play really good tricks on us.. I know mine still tries....
teresa
I think that the sub was a very very good suggestion.. believe it or not.. and in a min I have an errand to run and I may give you my other thoughts but let me say when you posted that you didnt think that it was a good choice for you cause you didnt think it would touch the pain your in.. dont you thing that was a little fast out of the gait?... I am getting the feeling . ( and you know ... I will get slammed here.. but oh well ...) that you might already be kicked into the thinking that you already are gonna be using and have the pain as an exuse and just want a justification .. sub might be ok.. it might work how do you know...?... but you do know that you might not be able to get high or feel that ole feeling so you seemed really quick to poo poo it... just an observation.. hope you dont get mad at me for saying that..
I care about you and I dont want you to go down that same ole road again.... our minds play really good tricks on us.. I know mine still tries....
teresa
teresa theres nonthing you could say that would offend me,come on now your speaking to vinny now rember,i'm usally the one doing the offending[lol]anyways i do see what your saying about jumping the gun with the sub,but you have to understand that the sub would have to pack a pretty good punch as far as helping with the pain[not the high] for the simple reason that when i was takeing the percs 10-325 all that was doing was helping with the physical pain,i wasn't getting that euphoria feeling like i did years ago,it basically kept the withdraws and pain issue under somewhat control,don't misunderstand me i got a little buzz of the pills but nonthing like i did years ago,i honestly could give a s*** about getting that high i would like to find a pill rather it's narcotic or non-narcotic just so i'm able to go back to work and do the job,and by the way teresa you got guts and with that you get my respect..........vinny
vinny,
so what did the dr say anyway? i wish there was a simple solution to this. i have no answer. yeah i agree teresa is real and definately gotta love that. i have heard that if you take them as directed and don't abuse them then it may be ok. but that takes dicipline and as an addict i don't know if i could handle that myself. keep searching and try and get educated on all your treatment options. i'll be praying for you.
bronco,
in my experience i learned that after prolonged usage of narcotics my body produced more pain and needed more meds for relief. once i got past the hell of withdrawals my pain noticably subsided. if that makes sense. you may find once you are off the drugs that you will be in little or no pain at all. now i am able to take the actual recommended dose of tylonol or advil and it actually works. keep educating yourself as well and seek out all the info you can find and all your options. once you end the madness you may be pleasantly suprised.
terrianne
so what did the dr say anyway? i wish there was a simple solution to this. i have no answer. yeah i agree teresa is real and definately gotta love that. i have heard that if you take them as directed and don't abuse them then it may be ok. but that takes dicipline and as an addict i don't know if i could handle that myself. keep searching and try and get educated on all your treatment options. i'll be praying for you.
bronco,
in my experience i learned that after prolonged usage of narcotics my body produced more pain and needed more meds for relief. once i got past the hell of withdrawals my pain noticably subsided. if that makes sense. you may find once you are off the drugs that you will be in little or no pain at all. now i am able to take the actual recommended dose of tylonol or advil and it actually works. keep educating yourself as well and seek out all the info you can find and all your options. once you end the madness you may be pleasantly suprised.
terrianne
I could easily justify narcotics. However, since I crossed that line, into hell, I have to look for alternatives. To me, once you cross over into addiction, you can't go back. You will end up right where you left off.
Sub works VERY well on my pain. In fact, in my personal situation with my back, I might have to take it for pain control. To me, even with the cost, it would keep me safe from justifying use of more dangerous pills to cope with my back pain.
I think it is worth a shot, Vinny. I actually am amazed at how well the sub works on pain.....
I wouldn't reccomend it for dental procedures or surgery, but for now it has helped me alot.
JMHO
kerry
Sub works VERY well on my pain. In fact, in my personal situation with my back, I might have to take it for pain control. To me, even with the cost, it would keep me safe from justifying use of more dangerous pills to cope with my back pain.
I think it is worth a shot, Vinny. I actually am amazed at how well the sub works on pain.....
I wouldn't reccomend it for dental procedures or surgery, but for now it has helped me alot.
JMHO
kerry
Vinny,
I, too, have often asked myself the same question. For someone with chronic pain, how do you have a good quality of life (pain free) and not have to battle addiction?
I really don't know the answer to that..... but, for me, I'm learning to tolerate the pain because I'd rather have aches & pains than to go through what I've gone through these last three years.
And I've noticed that the pain DOES get better the longer you are off the opiates. Maybe it's because you're body starts producing endorphins/pain killers on its own again, but it's been proven that chronic pain patients get BETTER when stopping narcotic pain pills.
Of course, they can do all the studies they want, but each person is an individual.... My wrists/arms hurt so bad (carpal tunnel) to where it's interfering with my sleep, but the good definitely outweighs the bad.... I may hurt, but I'm not worried every day that I'm going to die from liver failure, I'm not waking up wondering how I'm going to get more pills, I'm not counting pills, lying to doctors, praying to God that I don't die in my sleep......
Only YOU can decide what's best for you, Vinny. We are all here to support you, no matter what you decide.
Danielle
I, too, have often asked myself the same question. For someone with chronic pain, how do you have a good quality of life (pain free) and not have to battle addiction?
I really don't know the answer to that..... but, for me, I'm learning to tolerate the pain because I'd rather have aches & pains than to go through what I've gone through these last three years.
And I've noticed that the pain DOES get better the longer you are off the opiates. Maybe it's because you're body starts producing endorphins/pain killers on its own again, but it's been proven that chronic pain patients get BETTER when stopping narcotic pain pills.
Of course, they can do all the studies they want, but each person is an individual.... My wrists/arms hurt so bad (carpal tunnel) to where it's interfering with my sleep, but the good definitely outweighs the bad.... I may hurt, but I'm not worried every day that I'm going to die from liver failure, I'm not waking up wondering how I'm going to get more pills, I'm not counting pills, lying to doctors, praying to God that I don't die in my sleep......
Only YOU can decide what's best for you, Vinny. We are all here to support you, no matter what you decide.
Danielle
Vinny,
The debate thing well, you have to decide what is best for you..........
Now if you have something that you really want to know about sub and the pain control issues...I could try to help and I will make sure the hubby throws he 2 cents in because that why he is on sub......
From my eyes even though he is still on a low dose compared to other I know using it for pain control...I see him sleeping, I see no short temper, I see him enjoying the things he loves, I see him go to work and bust his butt and not come home and be in so much pain that he is done a stuck on the couch for the rest of the night.....I see him enjoying the weekends more because sitting around hurts as much at times as the hard work does....Now on the pills no matter how much he took none of the above was true and of course he was chasing the high and thats not good.....with the herion I ain't even going there because I know it has been calling his name, the high at least......
He does seem to be coping well and he tells me that he likes life being straight, but this all new to him so I really don't know.....but I see him smile a lot more then use to...........
Now as far a the sexual aspect of things for him......at 8 mgs everything works just fine, and he has had no problems in that area since he started sub, I wonder how much that plays into things for you, since it seems to be something you love to talk about......
Take care,
Tina
The debate thing well, you have to decide what is best for you..........
Now if you have something that you really want to know about sub and the pain control issues...I could try to help and I will make sure the hubby throws he 2 cents in because that why he is on sub......
From my eyes even though he is still on a low dose compared to other I know using it for pain control...I see him sleeping, I see no short temper, I see him enjoying the things he loves, I see him go to work and bust his butt and not come home and be in so much pain that he is done a stuck on the couch for the rest of the night.....I see him enjoying the weekends more because sitting around hurts as much at times as the hard work does....Now on the pills no matter how much he took none of the above was true and of course he was chasing the high and thats not good.....with the herion I ain't even going there because I know it has been calling his name, the high at least......
He does seem to be coping well and he tells me that he likes life being straight, but this all new to him so I really don't know.....but I see him smile a lot more then use to...........
Now as far a the sexual aspect of things for him......at 8 mgs everything works just fine, and he has had no problems in that area since he started sub, I wonder how much that plays into things for you, since it seems to be something you love to talk about......
Take care,
Tina
hi tina,well let me tell ya the old love stick is so hard i am able to pound a 8 inch nail in a 2by4 with out even flintching,like i said in another post i'm looking for something that will control the pain issue so i will be able to go back to work,if sub can do that i would be more than happy to give it a try,have a nice day...................vinny
Hard enough to cut diamonds huh
mollyjean,you got that right but it can also be used as a throat culture device,what i'm tryin to tell ya it's better than the swiss army knife,it is the unervisal tool for all ocassion's and it has a life time warranty..........vinny
aaawwweee you 2 are going to get reprimanded again :P to your corners!!
terrianne
terrianne
Terri belive me when I say I could use some off color humor this morning.Comon you know you wantta get DIRTY TOO
molly,
hehehe ok ok you caught me. peer pressure sucks :P
terrianne
hehehe ok ok you caught me. peer pressure sucks :P
terrianne
BUT Terri ya get dirty so well lol
Vinny-
I started pain meds for physical pain, then used them for emotional pain. All was wll and good until I F***ed up a lot of things in my life. It's a tough issue, lots of things to debate, but I think it boils down to taking the pills as directed and not getting high from them, vs. using them to escape, get high, etc.
I started pain meds for physical pain, then used them for emotional pain. All was wll and good until I F***ed up a lot of things in my life. It's a tough issue, lots of things to debate, but I think it boils down to taking the pills as directed and not getting high from them, vs. using them to escape, get high, etc.
