Tim,
Sorry LOL, yeah I should drop it too. I gotta deal with the stuff I can do something about. Hey, good luck with your mechanic. I'm gonna sit down and enjoy my Xmas present...my HDTV. I swear I never even glanced at one in a store. I don't watch TV that much at all...Uh oh...I better be careful...nah just kidding, only a few programs I actually like.
You try to enjoy your day, maybe strike a bargain with your mechanic. Boy I could tell you some stories about my old mechanic...but I won't lol...Have a good one Tim,
Jan
WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO TAKE CARRE OF ME???????
Jodi, you h ave to step up to the plate and do that for yourself. And you need to do this FOR YOU.
Now, I forsee that you will dump that man because he hurts you. Mental abuse is by far worse than physical abuse. You will one day feel like you just don't want to play that game anymore..
but you have to choose that.
I did somethings that make me absolutely cringe to think about. I put my kids in the car when I was completely blitzed. It was only a mile, I rationed, to get more beer. But for rehab's sake, just tell t hem how much you drink. I wouldn't spill everything, either. But then there are those that would say you aren;t being honest. But the past is the past.....
But this can all change. It can. You just have to make the right choice. I have faith in you that you will make the right choice and go to rehab.
Jodi, you h ave to step up to the plate and do that for yourself. And you need to do this FOR YOU.
Now, I forsee that you will dump that man because he hurts you. Mental abuse is by far worse than physical abuse. You will one day feel like you just don't want to play that game anymore..
but you have to choose that.
I did somethings that make me absolutely cringe to think about. I put my kids in the car when I was completely blitzed. It was only a mile, I rationed, to get more beer. But for rehab's sake, just tell t hem how much you drink. I wouldn't spill everything, either. But then there are those that would say you aren;t being honest. But the past is the past.....
But this can all change. It can. You just have to make the right choice. I have faith in you that you will make the right choice and go to rehab.
Lillypad,
This is some post & it deals with the issues of drug use & abuse that go way beyond Doctors. I think it really touches on many if not most of the core problems of the problem of the way we deal with drugs.
Doublle standard, probably sometimes, but your examples are way beyond that.
The problem is not rehab, or Drs practicing in a safe way while going thru some kind of program. IT IS WAY WORSE, IT IS BEYOND THE DISEASE OF ALCOHOLISM & MAYBE BORDERS ON EVIL.
What kind of monster would consider surgery of this type while trashed. THat is insane. Let me step back just a little. I am not trying to justify drug use or abuse or anything like that. BUt we get nowhere by lying to ourselves (Im not saying you are & I sure am not trying to insult you in anyway.
Sometimes when trying to quit or get better & change our thinking we might have a tendency to grab onto the wrong side of "anti drug ideas" & the war on drugs. Anyone who honestly looks at the facts knows that the way we deal with drugs in our society has caused more death, destruction & evil then the drugs themselves.
Again, somebody trashed, especially an adult, especially a Dr, has got to know better then to perform surgery. If they have reached this stage of life, & do things like that, other drs, nurses or even orderlies should have the balls to stop them. They should be arrested.
I do not believe that a confidential recovery program for doctors begins to accepts stoned doctors proforming major surgery. THat is crazy.
At the same time, they like us are, or should be, entitled to a real recovery program. If they are a danger t o patients, they obviously should not be allowed to treat them. I do think most would know better. Doctors, like us, should be treated with confidentiality.
What is really needed, instead of gadzillions of dollars being spent arresting & incarcerating addicts, OVERCROWDING PRISONS, & ALLOWING RAPISTS TO BE SET FREE TO ALLOW ROOM FOR ADDICTS, is not a draconian war on drugs that ignores the constitution, ignores the soverignety of other narions, and makes criminals, & lawyers wealthy & creates unnecessary 'employment' of human warehouse guards.
What is needed is an immediate end to this nonsense & the death & destruction it causes. What is needed is real, genuine treatment for addicts. It would cost way less in terms of dollars & lives & would actually work for many. For those that is cant work for right now, some kind of maintenance is reasonable, safe & wise, even if they are doctors.
If they are a danger (which is for sure if their drug is alcohol & they continue to use) they can not work in dangerous situations.
This is some post & it deals with the issues of drug use & abuse that go way beyond Doctors. I think it really touches on many if not most of the core problems of the problem of the way we deal with drugs.
Doublle standard, probably sometimes, but your examples are way beyond that.
The problem is not rehab, or Drs practicing in a safe way while going thru some kind of program. IT IS WAY WORSE, IT IS BEYOND THE DISEASE OF ALCOHOLISM & MAYBE BORDERS ON EVIL.
What kind of monster would consider surgery of this type while trashed. THat is insane. Let me step back just a little. I am not trying to justify drug use or abuse or anything like that. BUt we get nowhere by lying to ourselves (Im not saying you are & I sure am not trying to insult you in anyway.
Sometimes when trying to quit or get better & change our thinking we might have a tendency to grab onto the wrong side of "anti drug ideas" & the war on drugs. Anyone who honestly looks at the facts knows that the way we deal with drugs in our society has caused more death, destruction & evil then the drugs themselves.
Again, somebody trashed, especially an adult, especially a Dr, has got to know better then to perform surgery. If they have reached this stage of life, & do things like that, other drs, nurses or even orderlies should have the balls to stop them. They should be arrested.
I do not believe that a confidential recovery program for doctors begins to accepts stoned doctors proforming major surgery. THat is crazy.
At the same time, they like us are, or should be, entitled to a real recovery program. If they are a danger t o patients, they obviously should not be allowed to treat them. I do think most would know better. Doctors, like us, should be treated with confidentiality.
What is really needed, instead of gadzillions of dollars being spent arresting & incarcerating addicts, OVERCROWDING PRISONS, & ALLOWING RAPISTS TO BE SET FREE TO ALLOW ROOM FOR ADDICTS, is not a draconian war on drugs that ignores the constitution, ignores the soverignety of other narions, and makes criminals, & lawyers wealthy & creates unnecessary 'employment' of human warehouse guards.
What is needed is an immediate end to this nonsense & the death & destruction it causes. What is needed is real, genuine treatment for addicts. It would cost way less in terms of dollars & lives & would actually work for many. For those that is cant work for right now, some kind of maintenance is reasonable, safe & wise, even if they are doctors.
If they are a danger (which is for sure if their drug is alcohol & they continue to use) they can not work in dangerous situations.
Doctor Bob's Nightmare
Physician, Heal Thyself
Acceptance Was the Answer - a/k/a Doctor, Alcoholic, Addict 3d
Just a few stories to add to this thread, in case one hasn't had a chance to read. What about the physicians who practice medicine who are not impaired and butcher, maim for life, and kill people due to their negligence? Should they be imprisoned too? Or do we think if their negligence is discovered that this is something that can be remedied civially? Just wondering what the general consensus is here.
A little AA trivia question: Anybody know what Dr. Bob is speaking of in his story when he references Scylla and Charybdis?
Hugs all around ~
Sammy
Physician, Heal Thyself
Acceptance Was the Answer - a/k/a Doctor, Alcoholic, Addict 3d
Just a few stories to add to this thread, in case one hasn't had a chance to read. What about the physicians who practice medicine who are not impaired and butcher, maim for life, and kill people due to their negligence? Should they be imprisoned too? Or do we think if their negligence is discovered that this is something that can be remedied civially? Just wondering what the general consensus is here.
A little AA trivia question: Anybody know what Dr. Bob is speaking of in his story when he references Scylla and Charybdis?
Hugs all around ~
Sammy
In Homer's epic poem, The Odyssey, the hero, Odysseus is sailing home after defeating the Trojans in the Trojan War. During this voyage he must pass through this strait. On one side of the strait sits Scylla, a six headed monster with twelve tentacles who eats human flesh. On the other side of the strait is Charybdis, a whirlpool which will pull Odysseus's whole ship under. He must attempt to steer clear of these monsters.
Dr Bob is probably saying he was " in between a rock and a hard place", so to speak.
Thanks for the links Sammy, interesting reading.
Gracie
Dr Bob is probably saying he was " in between a rock and a hard place", so to speak.
Thanks for the links Sammy, interesting reading.
Gracie
Hey Sammy- good point, tough questions that id have to think of and maybe do some research on, if i cared but i dont know if i do. But you did hint at something that i think is most important.
Maybe not popular but here goes.
First place , again, if someone is clearly trashed it is completely unacceptable for them to be with patients, peiod.
How on earth could a trashed Dr ever operate on people. These are grown men, not adolescents.
What kind of monster would allow himself in the room. What about his coworkers. They have responsiblity even if he is their boss. Again, are these people so cowardly & week minded that they tolerate the monsterous behaviour of an idiot.
Now the opposite point, becuse somebody is using drugs (not crazy dangerous drugs like alcohol or crack) - but quantities of opiates for examplethat they are used to & have taken for years---i dont believe it would affect the doctors ability & i believe that honest unbiased research would agree with me.
BUt the problem is, if something goes wrong in surgery, having nothing to do with the dr being a 'controlled' narcotics addict, the drugs would falsely get blamed.
Maybe not popular but here goes.
First place , again, if someone is clearly trashed it is completely unacceptable for them to be with patients, peiod.
How on earth could a trashed Dr ever operate on people. These are grown men, not adolescents.
What kind of monster would allow himself in the room. What about his coworkers. They have responsiblity even if he is their boss. Again, are these people so cowardly & week minded that they tolerate the monsterous behaviour of an idiot.
Now the opposite point, becuse somebody is using drugs (not crazy dangerous drugs like alcohol or crack) - but quantities of opiates for examplethat they are used to & have taken for years---i dont believe it would affect the doctors ability & i believe that honest unbiased research would agree with me.
BUt the problem is, if something goes wrong in surgery, having nothing to do with the dr being a 'controlled' narcotics addict, the drugs would falsely get blamed.
Oh brother some B.S study comes out and boom people start looking for excuses Bam the system etc.
Let me ask all you good people where would you prefer your loved ones to be if medical care is needed. This countries doctors are awesome.
What ? any person here surprised that X amount of doctors are addicts?
Maybe you want to live somewhere else. Nobody appreciates anything this country stands for.
Pisses me off because my life would have been over decades ago if not for our medical advances and all the 100's of doctors and nurses who have helped me.
!/2 the people who live in the u.S should kiss the ground they walk on.
Just look at someone like Danny? Where else does a man have some freakin robot operate on him and then the robot goes bad and he has 4 surgeons ready and available. And all his nurses in the E.R and in the ICU.
Hip replacements Saved my life? I think you get the point. People just have no clue what its like to live anywhere else than our country.
Why do you think all these a-holes from Canada come here when they need surgery?
And look at all the amazing work our soldiers, Nurses , doctors who are all humitarians saving ??How many lives all over the world.
Jeff
Let me ask all you good people where would you prefer your loved ones to be if medical care is needed. This countries doctors are awesome.
What ? any person here surprised that X amount of doctors are addicts?
Maybe you want to live somewhere else. Nobody appreciates anything this country stands for.
Pisses me off because my life would have been over decades ago if not for our medical advances and all the 100's of doctors and nurses who have helped me.
!/2 the people who live in the u.S should kiss the ground they walk on.
Just look at someone like Danny? Where else does a man have some freakin robot operate on him and then the robot goes bad and he has 4 surgeons ready and available. And all his nurses in the E.R and in the ICU.
Hip replacements Saved my life? I think you get the point. People just have no clue what its like to live anywhere else than our country.
Why do you think all these a-holes from Canada come here when they need surgery?
And look at all the amazing work our soldiers, Nurses , doctors who are all humitarians saving ??How many lives all over the world.
Jeff
Grace of my heart ~
Correctomundo, my friend and I'm happy there was something I could post that was of interest to you. We had a Big Book Jeopardy thread that went for some time here a few years back. When I get some extra time or maybe Rachel will, we'll see about starting again.
Way to go, gal!
xoxoxox
Sammy
Correctomundo, my friend and I'm happy there was something I could post that was of interest to you. We had a Big Book Jeopardy thread that went for some time here a few years back. When I get some extra time or maybe Rachel will, we'll see about starting again.
Way to go, gal!
xoxoxox
Sammy
To some it may seem a B.S. study, but I myself and hundreds of others have had their lives changed forevever by doctors who presumably weren't under the influence of ANY drug, just incompetent. And I and others like me live with this illness, there is NO CURE, and it was a known fact by the medical community the harm they could be causing using the methods and chemcals they were using at the time. Yeah we may have the best that medicine has to offer but there are other countries that are WAY ahead of the United States as far as putting money into research goes because of restrictions that the U.S. puts on researcers (PETA) being one of the reasons. And all the praise for the wonderful doctors in the U.S. won't helped the maimed and disabled for life for the ones that f'd up big time. And if they were under the influence when that happened? OMG! So praise away and thank all the good doctors who deserve it, but there are plenty that don't and deserve to have their licenses suspended at the very least. And as far as their right of confidentiality goes? Would you like to have a doctor who had been in and out of rehab at least 6 times and failed rehab operating on you without you knowing his past? Maybe you have that kind of trust, I don't. Never will. Not when a clean doctor screwed me for life. Of course this is just my biased opinion,
Jan
Jan
Jan I used to blame the doctors at National Jewish Medical Hospital in Denver the Best pulmonary hospital in the world.
Back in 1976 they put me on 100/s of mg of prednisone and then stopped immediately. Today that would be considered the worst way to treat a 14 yr old with intrinsic asthma. It caused my adrenal glands to shut down and because my asthma was so bad its now 33 yrs later and I still take the stuff.
Anybody on prednisone knows you slowly wean off it. Well back then it was the opposite. You have no clue what its like to gain 70 pounds in like 6 months. Kids making me fun of me. LMAO oh man was i one angry kid. And just fought with the world. What did it get me? A lot of pain.
I could stay angry which i did as for many years I ran from life blamed everybody for my problems and perfected the art of getting high.
Poor poor me. Well you got one life and you play the cards your dealt.
I am tired of how far our country has fallen when in essence we still are the greatest country and I for one am blessed to live and be a U.S citizen. I take advantage of our system to maximize my health care. I have good doctors in my life and know my diseases backwards and forwards.
I watch these doctors operate on my dad during his cancer fight 2 surgeries on his back a knee replacement each operation should have killed him but they saved his life.
Today they are treating him for more tumors. They may save him again.
Jan if a doctor operates wasted and messes you up? Its being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
No different than getting hit by some drunk driver. Or a kid shot in the head in a shooting on the streets of our cities. Sheet happens.
How you deal with it takes balls as its easy to blame and fall into that poor me scenario. I lived it for decades. Today I accept my life some days I want to eat a bullet but for me there is a part of my brain that takes over and will not allow me to act out on any crazy thoughts. Trust me Jan I get some real awful mood swings.
I am trying an A/D with a mood stabilizer like seroquel these are STRONG meds but I am freakin whacked when I increase my prednisone and these drugs do help me.
I sleep and well I have chosen to trust my shrink/.Doctor. I have to faith in my doctors or where am I?
When I was being my own doctor I was totally screwed. Today I am willing to listen and work with my doctors.
It helps that I am drug free.
Jan this is just my story. I have no idea how others deal with unjust occurrences in there life. My life was turned upside down at a young age. It cost me my education High school was a joke. College? 5 yrs 3 colleges I have enough credits to be a second semester freshman.
I spent 5 yrs traveling around the U.S living large. I should have been in college --what a waste of my mind.
I am rambling but read this thread and I just get tired of reading all the negatives about the U.S.
God knows we have our issues but the medical field? I think its amazing what our technology is accomplishing.
Back in 1976 they put me on 100/s of mg of prednisone and then stopped immediately. Today that would be considered the worst way to treat a 14 yr old with intrinsic asthma. It caused my adrenal glands to shut down and because my asthma was so bad its now 33 yrs later and I still take the stuff.
Anybody on prednisone knows you slowly wean off it. Well back then it was the opposite. You have no clue what its like to gain 70 pounds in like 6 months. Kids making me fun of me. LMAO oh man was i one angry kid. And just fought with the world. What did it get me? A lot of pain.
I could stay angry which i did as for many years I ran from life blamed everybody for my problems and perfected the art of getting high.
Poor poor me. Well you got one life and you play the cards your dealt.
I am tired of how far our country has fallen when in essence we still are the greatest country and I for one am blessed to live and be a U.S citizen. I take advantage of our system to maximize my health care. I have good doctors in my life and know my diseases backwards and forwards.
I watch these doctors operate on my dad during his cancer fight 2 surgeries on his back a knee replacement each operation should have killed him but they saved his life.
Today they are treating him for more tumors. They may save him again.
Jan if a doctor operates wasted and messes you up? Its being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
No different than getting hit by some drunk driver. Or a kid shot in the head in a shooting on the streets of our cities. Sheet happens.
How you deal with it takes balls as its easy to blame and fall into that poor me scenario. I lived it for decades. Today I accept my life some days I want to eat a bullet but for me there is a part of my brain that takes over and will not allow me to act out on any crazy thoughts. Trust me Jan I get some real awful mood swings.
I am trying an A/D with a mood stabilizer like seroquel these are STRONG meds but I am freakin whacked when I increase my prednisone and these drugs do help me.
I sleep and well I have chosen to trust my shrink/.Doctor. I have to faith in my doctors or where am I?
When I was being my own doctor I was totally screwed. Today I am willing to listen and work with my doctors.
It helps that I am drug free.
Jan this is just my story. I have no idea how others deal with unjust occurrences in there life. My life was turned upside down at a young age. It cost me my education High school was a joke. College? 5 yrs 3 colleges I have enough credits to be a second semester freshman.
I spent 5 yrs traveling around the U.S living large. I should have been in college --what a waste of my mind.
I am rambling but read this thread and I just get tired of reading all the negatives about the U.S.
God knows we have our issues but the medical field? I think its amazing what our technology is accomplishing.
Hey Sammy- good point, tough questions that id have to think of and maybe do some research on, if i cared but i dont know if i do. But you did hint at something that i think is most important.
Say hey right back atcha, you old dog! It's good to see some recent messages from you, old friend. It doesn't matter if you care to further expound on this subject - I was just throwing some thoughts out to mull around
Maybe not popular but here goes.
First place , again, if someone is clearly trashed it is completely unacceptable for them to be with patients, peiod.
How on earth could a trashed Dr ever operate on people. These are grown men, not adolescents.
If someone is clearly trashed and in custody of another's life, whether doctor, lawyer, indian chief, mother, father, nurse, priest, judge, mechanic, salesman, police officer...whatever walk of life one may tag to it, is that not unacceptable too? You ask: "How on earth could a trashed Dr ever operate on people? Simple - they are, like every other addict living in active addiction, in the mindset of the behaviors that come with active addiction...denial, minimization, rationalization, the list goes on ad infinitum. Did you ever drive a car when living addicted, dog? And if you did, did you give consideration to the fact that you were endangering society? Did you ever go to a job high, Dog? And if you did, did you think you were giving your employer your best? Although, I was an adult when living in active addiction, I stunted my emotional/intellectual/spiritual growth when I used my first drug - at age 14. That's what happens to addicts, dog - we stop growing in these areas when we use our first drug.The good news is that there is a solution out of the abyss and once we make the decision to embrace recovery, take the action we need to take to insure it, we grow in positive ways beyond our wildest dreams.
What kind of monster would allow himself in the room. What about his coworkers. They have responsiblity even if he is their boss. Again, are these people so cowardly & week minded that they tolerate the monsterous behaviour of an idiot.
I can't speak for the co-workers of this particular doctor, but I can speak of the co-dependents who enabled me while I was living in active addiction. And these co-dependents spanned much further than my immediate biological family - my addiction was enabled by employers, friends, the medical community, and a host more that I will spare you of. The disease of addiction is cunning, baffling, and powerful and manipulation was a behavior I mastered to get what I wanted, which was not limited to a few. When I was living in active addiction, it affected everyone I came into contact with. For some, it was easy to turn a wary eye and for those that called me on it, I wore them down so that they threw in the towel just to shut me up. It got to the point where I'm sure there were those who looked upon me as a "monsterous idiot"; yet I'm reminded that this is a moral judgment of a disease that is progressive and without treatment often fatal. Is this to say that if a law is broken that one should not be held accountable for their actions? Absolutely not. IMHO - that holds true for all, whether their crime is while they are under the influence or if they are as clean as a whistle.
Now the opposite point, becuse somebody is using drugs (not crazy dangerous drugs like alcohol or crack) - but quantities of opiates for examplethat they are used to & have taken for years---i dont believe it would affect the doctors ability & i believe that honest unbiased research would agree with me.
The links that I posted above were three stories from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. They were all authored by doctors. When you get a chance, dog, you may want to read them and see how just dangerous alcohol/alcoholism has been to these physicians. I don't think I understand what you mean when you state a doctor who takes quantities of opiates that they are used to and have taken for years does not affect their ability. Perhaps, you will give me an example to clear my confusion.
BUt the problem is, if something goes wrong in surgery, having nothing to do with the dr being a 'controlled' narcotics addict, the drugs would falsely get blamed.
And here again, what do you mean by a surgeon who practices medicine as "controlled" narcotic addict? My initial question was to address the issue of physicians who are not addicts and harm, maim for life, and kill people due to their negligence. It was mentioned that physicians who cause these tragedies while addicted do some time in rehab and jail. Does the same opinion hold true for physicians who are not addicted and botch up people's lives - or is this, if found out, left for civil litigation rather than criminal? And if you don't believe it happens, non-addicted doctors who botch up people's lives while under their care, come stay a day with me at my work...I'll give you all the stats you require.
I love ya, man.
arf arf!
Sammy
Say hey right back atcha, you old dog! It's good to see some recent messages from you, old friend. It doesn't matter if you care to further expound on this subject - I was just throwing some thoughts out to mull around
Maybe not popular but here goes.
First place , again, if someone is clearly trashed it is completely unacceptable for them to be with patients, peiod.
How on earth could a trashed Dr ever operate on people. These are grown men, not adolescents.
If someone is clearly trashed and in custody of another's life, whether doctor, lawyer, indian chief, mother, father, nurse, priest, judge, mechanic, salesman, police officer...whatever walk of life one may tag to it, is that not unacceptable too? You ask: "How on earth could a trashed Dr ever operate on people? Simple - they are, like every other addict living in active addiction, in the mindset of the behaviors that come with active addiction...denial, minimization, rationalization, the list goes on ad infinitum. Did you ever drive a car when living addicted, dog? And if you did, did you give consideration to the fact that you were endangering society? Did you ever go to a job high, Dog? And if you did, did you think you were giving your employer your best? Although, I was an adult when living in active addiction, I stunted my emotional/intellectual/spiritual growth when I used my first drug - at age 14. That's what happens to addicts, dog - we stop growing in these areas when we use our first drug.The good news is that there is a solution out of the abyss and once we make the decision to embrace recovery, take the action we need to take to insure it, we grow in positive ways beyond our wildest dreams.
What kind of monster would allow himself in the room. What about his coworkers. They have responsiblity even if he is their boss. Again, are these people so cowardly & week minded that they tolerate the monsterous behaviour of an idiot.
I can't speak for the co-workers of this particular doctor, but I can speak of the co-dependents who enabled me while I was living in active addiction. And these co-dependents spanned much further than my immediate biological family - my addiction was enabled by employers, friends, the medical community, and a host more that I will spare you of. The disease of addiction is cunning, baffling, and powerful and manipulation was a behavior I mastered to get what I wanted, which was not limited to a few. When I was living in active addiction, it affected everyone I came into contact with. For some, it was easy to turn a wary eye and for those that called me on it, I wore them down so that they threw in the towel just to shut me up. It got to the point where I'm sure there were those who looked upon me as a "monsterous idiot"; yet I'm reminded that this is a moral judgment of a disease that is progressive and without treatment often fatal. Is this to say that if a law is broken that one should not be held accountable for their actions? Absolutely not. IMHO - that holds true for all, whether their crime is while they are under the influence or if they are as clean as a whistle.
Now the opposite point, becuse somebody is using drugs (not crazy dangerous drugs like alcohol or crack) - but quantities of opiates for examplethat they are used to & have taken for years---i dont believe it would affect the doctors ability & i believe that honest unbiased research would agree with me.
The links that I posted above were three stories from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. They were all authored by doctors. When you get a chance, dog, you may want to read them and see how just dangerous alcohol/alcoholism has been to these physicians. I don't think I understand what you mean when you state a doctor who takes quantities of opiates that they are used to and have taken for years does not affect their ability. Perhaps, you will give me an example to clear my confusion.
BUt the problem is, if something goes wrong in surgery, having nothing to do with the dr being a 'controlled' narcotics addict, the drugs would falsely get blamed.
And here again, what do you mean by a surgeon who practices medicine as "controlled" narcotic addict? My initial question was to address the issue of physicians who are not addicts and harm, maim for life, and kill people due to their negligence. It was mentioned that physicians who cause these tragedies while addicted do some time in rehab and jail. Does the same opinion hold true for physicians who are not addicted and botch up people's lives - or is this, if found out, left for civil litigation rather than criminal? And if you don't believe it happens, non-addicted doctors who botch up people's lives while under their care, come stay a day with me at my work...I'll give you all the stats you require.
I love ya, man.
arf arf!
Sammy
