Hey guys, Im about to leave to drive 2 hrs to my doctors appt for the suboxone. Ive had a pretty emotional day so I hope it goes well. I will edit this post when I return to let you all know how it went. Wish I could take y'all with me! ~B
Wow, 2 hour drive? How often will you have to do that? I'll say prayers that all goes ok. Let us know what happens.
Good luck ~B...
Let us know how it went and how you're doing...
Take care,
Stacey
Let us know how it went and how you're doing...
Take care,
Stacey
Good luck. Alice
The doctor put me on Sub!! 8 mg, 2 xs daily. I feel like a completely different person. Unbelievable!!!! I dont even know how to describe how I am feeling. Like a normal person. I forgot how wonderful just simply "being'' was! WTF EVER made me want to start using?????? How could i have not appreciated feeling like this??!!!! Hard lesson learned I suppose! Thank you guys for thinking about me ~B
B, that's absolutely wonderful! I'm very happy for you. Was this an addiction specialist? I've been rolling that thought around my brain for awhile now. I am hoping that with this one on one counseling, that I can avoid it. But I'm not closing the doors to anything. If it comes down to taking sub or pp's, well the choice is obvious. How long did it take for you to feel better? Keep writing and updating us on your progress. Michelle.
that is great! having been right where you are, i can relate to the feelings and emotions you're enjoying today. sub. has been a God send for me, and my family.
16 mgs. a day is a pretty high dose to start out on. IF you start to feel funny...ie...wired, nauseous, etc., just cut back some on the dosage. remember, with sub., less is more. my pp habit was 20 10mgs. a day, and when I first went on sub., it was 2 mg. twice a day. many need more, and that certainly may be the case for you, but just in case.......
welcome to recovery!
Good Halloween Morning all.
Carol I agree,& you know why.Im on a VERY high dose,have been for along time.If theres one thing Ive learned about Sub,,the least you can take for relief the better.
I hope nobody gets upset over this but "B"I get the feeling you may have a buzz off it right now.I may be wrong (wouldnt be the first time)but I know when I first started I got a buzz the first 2-3 days,than I leveled off & just felt.....normal I guess.No cravings or body aches.
Ive said it before but need to resay it...Im not a Dr,but I do know alot of Dr that even though they took the Sub classes & got certified,they still dont know much about it.So sometime we MUST monitor ourselves.
Anyways,I think its so great that you are taking these steps & Im sure you will feel even better soon
mj
Carol I agree,& you know why.Im on a VERY high dose,have been for along time.If theres one thing Ive learned about Sub,,the least you can take for relief the better.
I hope nobody gets upset over this but "B"I get the feeling you may have a buzz off it right now.I may be wrong (wouldnt be the first time)but I know when I first started I got a buzz the first 2-3 days,than I leveled off & just felt.....normal I guess.No cravings or body aches.
Ive said it before but need to resay it...Im not a Dr,but I do know alot of Dr that even though they took the Sub classes & got certified,they still dont know much about it.So sometime we MUST monitor ourselves.
Anyways,I think its so great that you are taking these steps & Im sure you will feel even better soon
mj
Good luck B. I hope everything works out for you.
Hey guys,
It was an addiction specialist that I went to see. He told me to take the 8mgs twice a day, but I will take a half just to see if I will be ok. You are right, the less of anything the better. Does anyone else think that the taste is disgusting? I have the taste of them in my mouth for a long time afterward too. Yuk. I dont feel like I am buzzing, I do feel like I have energy though. It's hard to explain. I feel like I used to feel when the lortabs were wearing off. Some girls in my outpatient group are taking 3 8mgs a day--good lord!!!! I think the 8mg pill is enough to get me through the day! They are taking 24mgs a day. Thats too much I think. I agree with others though, the Sub is pretty powerful stuff. I mean, if I could take one going through withdrawals as bad as I was and have it totally knocked out, it must be strong. Is it weird of me to think of myself as not being ''recovered'' because Im just taking another opiate though? I feel guilty for some reason. Like I just switched from one drug to another. I dont know, maybe just thinking too much. I just dont want to ever take another p/p, so I will do whatever it takes. Thanks for checking up on me! ~B
By the way, Michelle, it only took me about 40 minutes to feel better. It was unbelievable. I have been tapering for the past two weeks and then dropped down to 0 p/p's for the past 3 days so I was feeling kind of rough. This stuff really was a life saver for me
It was an addiction specialist that I went to see. He told me to take the 8mgs twice a day, but I will take a half just to see if I will be ok. You are right, the less of anything the better. Does anyone else think that the taste is disgusting? I have the taste of them in my mouth for a long time afterward too. Yuk. I dont feel like I am buzzing, I do feel like I have energy though. It's hard to explain. I feel like I used to feel when the lortabs were wearing off. Some girls in my outpatient group are taking 3 8mgs a day--good lord!!!! I think the 8mg pill is enough to get me through the day! They are taking 24mgs a day. Thats too much I think. I agree with others though, the Sub is pretty powerful stuff. I mean, if I could take one going through withdrawals as bad as I was and have it totally knocked out, it must be strong. Is it weird of me to think of myself as not being ''recovered'' because Im just taking another opiate though? I feel guilty for some reason. Like I just switched from one drug to another. I dont know, maybe just thinking too much. I just dont want to ever take another p/p, so I will do whatever it takes. Thanks for checking up on me! ~B
By the way, Michelle, it only took me about 40 minutes to feel better. It was unbelievable. I have been tapering for the past two weeks and then dropped down to 0 p/p's for the past 3 days so I was feeling kind of rough. This stuff really was a life saver for me
B I dont think we ever truley "recover"Some have had 30yrs sober & relapsed so this addiction stuff can be a sneeky thing.Thats the crappy part (at least for me)getting off drugs as hard as THAT is its easier than STAYING off drugs.
As for your dose,everyone is different.That dose you mentioned (24mg)is what I started at 3 years ago.Ive weaned down some,but my dose is still concidered "high"Yet for me the dose Im at doesnt get me buzzed or even any energy,it just keeps me level.
Theres sometimes debates on here about being totally "drug free"or just like a Diabetic needs insilin,some addicts need medication for life so they dont abuse.
Youll notice youll have some really great days,& than other days,as much as you think you hate PP there may come a day that you actually cry because you miss them)Sounds so messed up doesnt it. I believe its a mourning process that we go through.
Well Ive been online long enough Im going to head out & start my day.
B take care & Ill peep in on you from time to time
mj
As for your dose,everyone is different.That dose you mentioned (24mg)is what I started at 3 years ago.Ive weaned down some,but my dose is still concidered "high"Yet for me the dose Im at doesnt get me buzzed or even any energy,it just keeps me level.
Theres sometimes debates on here about being totally "drug free"or just like a Diabetic needs insilin,some addicts need medication for life so they dont abuse.
Youll notice youll have some really great days,& than other days,as much as you think you hate PP there may come a day that you actually cry because you miss them)Sounds so messed up doesnt it. I believe its a mourning process that we go through.
Well Ive been online long enough Im going to head out & start my day.
B take care & Ill peep in on you from time to time
mj
I have a question about this sub thing. I could never taper pp because if they're in my possession, they're in my mouth! And my problem is that I will do ok for a week or two, then something will happen and trigger my brain. Then I find more. So I go through mild w/d all the time. Nothing major like I did when I was on Oxycontin, which I will NEVER take again, but just some anxiety. I did some research on the Sub website and it says that there are two kinds: subutex and suboxone. One is for helping the w/d feeling go away immediately and the other is for long term maintenance. Everyone on here says that you should absolutely not take sub unless you are in severe w/d. Since my w/d is only minor, can I not take any of it for long term maintenance?
Chele, yes, you are certainly a candidate for Sub., if you decide to go that route. Regardless of how severe your WDs are, you will have the symptoms eventually if you are addicted. And when the symptoms start, or about 24 hours after you've taken your last pain pill, that is when you start the Sub.
All I know is that I feel like a totally normal person now on Sub. My life is still a mess and I am trying to get things in order, but at least now I feel like I CAN. I am dropping down to just one 8 mg pill a day though. I think that will be fine for me, its plenty enough. Hope all of you had a good Halloween. Im still munching on Halloween candy this morning as I type. You think being so into fitness I would know better right? So what....lol! Talk to y'all later....B
b - how long do you plan on being on sub? I have read just a little about the drug. Seems to help alot of people but then you have to come off of that with withdrawal again if you stay on it for too long. Also what happens if you are on sub and need to take a drug test for a job, etc. Will you test positive for opiates on it?
gOOD MORNING aLICE..yES IF THEY TEST YOU YOU WILL TEST POSITIVE FOR OPIATES,HOWEVER IF YOU HAVE A PRESCRIPTION YOUR PRETTY WELL COVERED.
OOPS sorry about the caps...I think its good that your staying at a low dose.I am interested too in knowing how long are you planning on being on Sub(if you know)
Im the same way with pills.If theres a bottle anywhere near me...Ill abuse them.Id probaly abuse Tic Tacs if I got a buzz.
But with the Sub,I found that after your on it a couple days,that (sort of buzz)goes away.And no you dont feel crappy,you just feel normal.
Also I believe Sub has a ceiling effect.Meaning even if you take more you wont get a buzz...
Anyways,just giving my input
mj
OOPS sorry about the caps...I think its good that your staying at a low dose.I am interested too in knowing how long are you planning on being on Sub(if you know)
Im the same way with pills.If theres a bottle anywhere near me...Ill abuse them.Id probaly abuse Tic Tacs if I got a buzz.
But with the Sub,I found that after your on it a couple days,that (sort of buzz)goes away.And no you dont feel crappy,you just feel normal.
Also I believe Sub has a ceiling effect.Meaning even if you take more you wont get a buzz...
Anyways,just giving my input
mj
The only way Sub. shows up a drug test is if they look for it specifially. I've had one recently, and tested negative for opiates, while being on Sub.
Honey, you just do what is best for you, and follow your drs. advice. If he wants you on 16 mg. a day, maybe you should check with him before dropping. I can not imagine why he would object to you lowering your dose, but you never know with some drs. how they're going to react about things.
Ya'll have a good weekend. Tomorrow is my son's 13th birthday and we're going to Andretti Speedway tonight to ride go carts with him and some of his friends. Then back here to spend the night. Nine 12 & 13 year old boys for 12 hours ought to be enough to wear me out.
B- my son was snorting 80mg of oxy three or four times a day and the dr only put him on 6mgs. It was plenty. He felt better immediatly. I know it's important to listen to your dr but I think us addicts tend to think we need MORE of everything. The goal isn't to get high anymore, it's to make the sub a non-issue and recovery the only thing you think about. I would highly suggest that you cut back to 4mgs in the morning and 4mgs in the afternoon. You don't want to be on it forever, right? This is just for detox? What are you going to do for your recovery? Does your dr requier you to do meetings?
Have mercy, Carol! Y'all are going to have a BLAST, but Im sure you will be totally exhausted when you get home! I have always wanted to ride go-carts but never have done it.
I know for a fact that I will be on Sub for the next 8 weeks, after that, I dont know. Me and my doctor will work on that I suppose. I like the stuff. It makes me feel the way I used to before I started using. I also know that I cant stay on it forever and that eventually I will be on my own as far as medication goes. That scares me a little bit. Of course, I just started so its kind of hard to gauge where Im going to be (emotionally) in about 8 weeks. With the outpatient therapy and the Sub, I will be ok. Oh, and I see a counselor for an hour a week and an hour of NA per week as well. If anything, all this time that I have to myself to devote to meetings, counseling, etc, is making me learn alot about myself and how to handle things alone and on my own. Independence-its a beautiful but scary thing!
I will be going to church tonight with my mom and the kids. I am excited about it. I joined this church a month ago and LOVE IT. It is a very upbeat and positive place which keeps my butt motivated and reminded that God is always with me and thinking about me. I have also started keeping a journal. I write down all my actions and emotions for the day. I highly recommend it. It reminds you where you come from and where you wish to be....
I will check back in with you guys to read your posts for the rest of the day. You know if yall ever need anything, even if its just to ramble on about what kind of day you have had, please contact me. I want to help you guys as much as I can, because yall have helped me alot. Have a wonderful Saturday!! ~B
I know for a fact that I will be on Sub for the next 8 weeks, after that, I dont know. Me and my doctor will work on that I suppose. I like the stuff. It makes me feel the way I used to before I started using. I also know that I cant stay on it forever and that eventually I will be on my own as far as medication goes. That scares me a little bit. Of course, I just started so its kind of hard to gauge where Im going to be (emotionally) in about 8 weeks. With the outpatient therapy and the Sub, I will be ok. Oh, and I see a counselor for an hour a week and an hour of NA per week as well. If anything, all this time that I have to myself to devote to meetings, counseling, etc, is making me learn alot about myself and how to handle things alone and on my own. Independence-its a beautiful but scary thing!
I will be going to church tonight with my mom and the kids. I am excited about it. I joined this church a month ago and LOVE IT. It is a very upbeat and positive place which keeps my butt motivated and reminded that God is always with me and thinking about me. I have also started keeping a journal. I write down all my actions and emotions for the day. I highly recommend it. It reminds you where you come from and where you wish to be....
I will check back in with you guys to read your posts for the rest of the day. You know if yall ever need anything, even if its just to ramble on about what kind of day you have had, please contact me. I want to help you guys as much as I can, because yall have helped me alot. Have a wonderful Saturday!! ~B
b:
i remember feeling exactly how you are feeling now when i was first induced to sub at 8 mg 2 1/2 yrs ago. as a matter of fact. what you have posted about liking sub is exactly what i told my peers in rehab, guess what? they got pissed and brought it up at group how i was "triggering" them by my fantasizing about the sub, believe me i wasnt trying to trigger anyone, just so glad that there was ever a possibility i could feel normal again.
i will share with you my experience with sub.
i thought at first i want to be on the sub for life.... this is perfect! BUT i dont feel that way today, it has been a very slow process of me tapering down to almost 3 mgs of sub today, and that became my intention to ever so slowly taper down so that i hope and pray to God that one day i will be able to live on lifes terns without the use of mind/mood altering substances.
i have worked very hard and i am so grateful that the sub allowed me to feel comfortable enough to learn every thing that i have about recovery. because without sub, i could not do it no matter how much i tried, i was soooo uncomfrotable with wd's that i didnt care about learning anything.
i am a vicodin addict, i have never abused the sub nor have i ever had a desire to use opiates since being on sub, i even quit my 30 yr addiction to pot!!!! even though alcohol was never ever a problem for me, i still abstain if i am offered a drink, even though on a hot sunny day a margarita sounds tempting .....i know i cannot wake that dragon that is always lurking.
i attend NA
i see my sub dr
i am working the 12 steps which i feel is very important because they teach the addict how to life drug free,
i have and LOVE my sponsor
but most importantly of all i LOVE my higher power which i choose to call God!!!! couldnt be where i am today without His love and direction. and its good that you too know about God. a higher power is very important,
beware the sub causes terrible constipation for me. i take over the counter miralax for that, i have tried every remedy possible, diet, stool softeners etc and it sucks to be constipated for 2 and half yrs.
keep shooting for lower doses of the sub and do as much NA meetings as you possibly can, get a sponsor and work some steps because just taking a sub every day with no foot work will not work. welcome to recovery.
i remember feeling exactly how you are feeling now when i was first induced to sub at 8 mg 2 1/2 yrs ago. as a matter of fact. what you have posted about liking sub is exactly what i told my peers in rehab, guess what? they got pissed and brought it up at group how i was "triggering" them by my fantasizing about the sub, believe me i wasnt trying to trigger anyone, just so glad that there was ever a possibility i could feel normal again.
i will share with you my experience with sub.
i thought at first i want to be on the sub for life.... this is perfect! BUT i dont feel that way today, it has been a very slow process of me tapering down to almost 3 mgs of sub today, and that became my intention to ever so slowly taper down so that i hope and pray to God that one day i will be able to live on lifes terns without the use of mind/mood altering substances.
i have worked very hard and i am so grateful that the sub allowed me to feel comfortable enough to learn every thing that i have about recovery. because without sub, i could not do it no matter how much i tried, i was soooo uncomfrotable with wd's that i didnt care about learning anything.
i am a vicodin addict, i have never abused the sub nor have i ever had a desire to use opiates since being on sub, i even quit my 30 yr addiction to pot!!!! even though alcohol was never ever a problem for me, i still abstain if i am offered a drink, even though on a hot sunny day a margarita sounds tempting .....i know i cannot wake that dragon that is always lurking.
i attend NA
i see my sub dr
i am working the 12 steps which i feel is very important because they teach the addict how to life drug free,
i have and LOVE my sponsor
but most importantly of all i LOVE my higher power which i choose to call God!!!! couldnt be where i am today without His love and direction. and its good that you too know about God. a higher power is very important,
beware the sub causes terrible constipation for me. i take over the counter miralax for that, i have tried every remedy possible, diet, stool softeners etc and it sucks to be constipated for 2 and half yrs.
keep shooting for lower doses of the sub and do as much NA meetings as you possibly can, get a sponsor and work some steps because just taking a sub every day with no foot work will not work. welcome to recovery.