Yesterday before class, I approached the teacher about making up a quiz. She was in the middle of a conversation with a student that looks like an addict...or sick. Anyway, the sick student was explaining something to the teacher, and the teacher recommended my old pill dr...swore by him....and the student stated that she was in pain...so even more the teacher told her to go there.
Then, she seemed just a little too happy about the intricatcies of the kidney....her pupils were small.....
Even the teacher??? I could be assuming, and we know what happens when we assume. However, this was interesting to witness.
We have a project to do.....maybe I will do a very demonstrative project on opiate withdrawl......and how painful it is.....lol.
Kerry
I posted to you on the Sub thread just wondering how long you have been on sucs and what your dose is I have been on for 2 months and dr. is not even talking about tapering Im taking16 mgs a day how about you?
Ctink, I have been on the sub since Feb. I didn't plan on staying on it this long, but I don't have any pain issues while on it, and it has been a good safety net for me. I like the idea of using not being an option.
I got down to 3 mgs, then I went back up. I am between 6 and 8 mgs a day. I was up at 12, but that was too much.
I do have to look at getting off, as I just lost my medical insurance, and sub is very expensive. So, I have to start getting off of it.
How about you? Do you have pain issues, or is it for detox?
I saw your picture, and your daughter is cute. By the way, I like your crown molding..lol
Kerry
I got down to 3 mgs, then I went back up. I am between 6 and 8 mgs a day. I was up at 12, but that was too much.
I do have to look at getting off, as I just lost my medical insurance, and sub is very expensive. So, I have to start getting off of it.
How about you? Do you have pain issues, or is it for detox?
I saw your picture, and your daughter is cute. By the way, I like your crown molding..lol
Kerry
I can't believe how many people are addicted to painpills and don't even know it or will admit it. It's becoming an epidemic.
How is school going Kerry?
Good luck on that quiz.
Love
Lisa
How is school going Kerry?
Good luck on that quiz.
Love
Lisa
school is good, thanks for asking. I got a 90 on my last test (I got a 65 on the first one..lol) and the last 3 quizes, I got 10 out of 10 right. Right now we are studying the kidney, and that isn't very interesting...so we will see. I wish I could go fulltime, I like using my mind again. At least my comprehension is getting better.
Kerry
Kerry
oh i don't know about that, kerry - the kidney can be an extremely interesting organ to study. from first hand experience, i boned up on the information i learned many moons ago when i was in nursing school, after being diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma.
let's see if we can draw some kind of discussion/thoughts for your paper about drugs and the role they play in renal cell carcinoma:
did you know the following drugs contribute to the cause of renal cell carcinoma?
1) nicotine
2) phenacetin-containing analgesics
from 1963 to 1983 sandoz pharmaceuticals manufactured fiorinol with codiene that also contained 130mg of phenacetin.
i've probably smoked as many cigarettes as i took fiorinol with codiene between 1968 to 1983 - mass quantities of both, and both of which i am convinced contributed to the renal cell carcinoma i was diagnosed with.
now let's take this one step farther and discuss the analgesics that contribute to kidney disease. this is an excerpt from:
analgesic associated kidney disease - national institue of health
"What Causes Analgesic-Associated Kidney Disease?
Four clinical and experimental features are relevant to the pathogenesis of analgesic nephropathy.
(1) The disease is most commonly associated with the ingestion of analgesic mixtures in large doses over a prolonged time.
(2) The initial lesion occurs in the papilla; changes in the cortex are secondary to papillary damage.
(3) Papillary necrosis may be accentuated experimentally and in certain patients by dehydration and low urine volumes.
(4) The major phenacetin metabolite, acetaminophen, as well as salicylates, is concentrated on the papilla, particularly during low urine output.
These features suggest that the disease results from the effects of a toxic agent or agents in the renal papilla, but the precise pathogenetic mechanisms are still unclear.
Present evidence suggests that acetaminophen causes tissue injury as a result of its conversion to toxic metabolites. By lowering the concentration of glutathione, a substance that protects against such tissue injury, aspirin and other salicylates enhance toxicity. Salicylates and acetaminophen also inhibit prostaglandin synthesis and thus may, by reducing medullary blood flow, potentiate papillary damage. These data offer attractive though yet unproven explanations for the synergistic effects of phenacetin and aspirin in causing papillary necrosis. They also suggest avenues for research into interactions of other analgesic and anti-inflammatory drugs that may lead to renal disease."
i don't know about anyone else, but i've got skid marks down the back of my throat from the drugs i abused containing phenacetin, aspirin, and tylenol and am learning more now of the harmful effects of the above mentioned drugs i abused are not limited to the marks that are left in my throat. *wink, wink*
hindsight is 20/20 vision. i will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it; but i wonder with all these new drugs i.e. subutex, suboxone etc. what the future holds for those who are using them, because all the info of long term effects is not known. perhaps, something i've shared will jar one's mind the next time they think about ingesting these drugs? i know from my recent experience of losing a kidney it has mine.
ah - that's enough of the science lesson for now and besides...i gotta go pee! :))
gratefully in God's care -
sammy
let's see if we can draw some kind of discussion/thoughts for your paper about drugs and the role they play in renal cell carcinoma:
did you know the following drugs contribute to the cause of renal cell carcinoma?
1) nicotine
2) phenacetin-containing analgesics
from 1963 to 1983 sandoz pharmaceuticals manufactured fiorinol with codiene that also contained 130mg of phenacetin.
i've probably smoked as many cigarettes as i took fiorinol with codiene between 1968 to 1983 - mass quantities of both, and both of which i am convinced contributed to the renal cell carcinoma i was diagnosed with.
now let's take this one step farther and discuss the analgesics that contribute to kidney disease. this is an excerpt from:
analgesic associated kidney disease - national institue of health
"What Causes Analgesic-Associated Kidney Disease?
Four clinical and experimental features are relevant to the pathogenesis of analgesic nephropathy.
(1) The disease is most commonly associated with the ingestion of analgesic mixtures in large doses over a prolonged time.
(2) The initial lesion occurs in the papilla; changes in the cortex are secondary to papillary damage.
(3) Papillary necrosis may be accentuated experimentally and in certain patients by dehydration and low urine volumes.
(4) The major phenacetin metabolite, acetaminophen, as well as salicylates, is concentrated on the papilla, particularly during low urine output.
These features suggest that the disease results from the effects of a toxic agent or agents in the renal papilla, but the precise pathogenetic mechanisms are still unclear.
Present evidence suggests that acetaminophen causes tissue injury as a result of its conversion to toxic metabolites. By lowering the concentration of glutathione, a substance that protects against such tissue injury, aspirin and other salicylates enhance toxicity. Salicylates and acetaminophen also inhibit prostaglandin synthesis and thus may, by reducing medullary blood flow, potentiate papillary damage. These data offer attractive though yet unproven explanations for the synergistic effects of phenacetin and aspirin in causing papillary necrosis. They also suggest avenues for research into interactions of other analgesic and anti-inflammatory drugs that may lead to renal disease."
i don't know about anyone else, but i've got skid marks down the back of my throat from the drugs i abused containing phenacetin, aspirin, and tylenol and am learning more now of the harmful effects of the above mentioned drugs i abused are not limited to the marks that are left in my throat. *wink, wink*
hindsight is 20/20 vision. i will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it; but i wonder with all these new drugs i.e. subutex, suboxone etc. what the future holds for those who are using them, because all the info of long term effects is not known. perhaps, something i've shared will jar one's mind the next time they think about ingesting these drugs? i know from my recent experience of losing a kidney it has mine.
ah - that's enough of the science lesson for now and besides...i gotta go pee! :))
gratefully in God's care -
sammy
Sammy, your soo funny.
That was good info! Do you have the english version? lol
That was good info! Do you have the english version? lol
lmao with wendy! we are not a glum lot.
why yes - i do have the english version of that message. as a matter of fact, a few 24 hours ago, i was carrying the message of recovery into a treatment center. we would meet in a conference room where they held group discussions and educated addicts about addiction.
anyhoot - i walked into this conference room prior to our discussion, and noticed on the blackboard the following acronym (i'm a nut when it comes to acronyms and use them frequently)...goes like this:
GRASP RECOVERY
G = go to meetings
R = read daily recovery material/literature
A = abstain from all mood altering substances
S = seek a sponsor and work the steps
P = pray to a good, loving Power much grater than yourself
now that's keeping it about as simple, in the english version, as i can give you, sweetie. and this version is not only good for one's kidney, heart, liver, spleen, brain, bones, and other vital parts that make up our bodies....it is so pivotal for the healing of our spirit! when the spiritual malady is overcome, we straighten out mentally and physically.
xoxoxoxox
sammy
why yes - i do have the english version of that message. as a matter of fact, a few 24 hours ago, i was carrying the message of recovery into a treatment center. we would meet in a conference room where they held group discussions and educated addicts about addiction.
anyhoot - i walked into this conference room prior to our discussion, and noticed on the blackboard the following acronym (i'm a nut when it comes to acronyms and use them frequently)...goes like this:
GRASP RECOVERY
G = go to meetings
R = read daily recovery material/literature
A = abstain from all mood altering substances
S = seek a sponsor and work the steps
P = pray to a good, loving Power much grater than yourself
now that's keeping it about as simple, in the english version, as i can give you, sweetie. and this version is not only good for one's kidney, heart, liver, spleen, brain, bones, and other vital parts that make up our bodies....it is so pivotal for the healing of our spirit! when the spiritual malady is overcome, we straighten out mentally and physically.
xoxoxoxox
sammy
Thanks for that sammy. Very profound. Hope your doing better from your surgery and fall.!! :'(
Sorry Sammy. Color me humbled. I thought the blood was far more interesting, with killer cells and basophils.
However, your information was quite an eye opener. That is quite scary for me, as I have consumed mass quantities of tylenol....a toxic dose daily for over 2 years. With alcohol on top of it, which only makes the acetom. more toxic.
Thanks, and I will definately make that a topic for my project....now that I can relate it to myself in some way.....self centeredness still hasn't left, but I am working on it.
I hope you are well, and I hope that you don't really consider leaving here an option. You are on of the people that when I came here, sparked my ears.
I did learn, however, from the book "that you can live quite nicely on one kidney." There was a controversy a few years ago that halted kidney transplants, due to a study on rats, however, they concluded through further research that it is safe.
Peace, Sansei.
Kerry
However, your information was quite an eye opener. That is quite scary for me, as I have consumed mass quantities of tylenol....a toxic dose daily for over 2 years. With alcohol on top of it, which only makes the acetom. more toxic.
Thanks, and I will definately make that a topic for my project....now that I can relate it to myself in some way.....self centeredness still hasn't left, but I am working on it.
I hope you are well, and I hope that you don't really consider leaving here an option. You are on of the people that when I came here, sparked my ears.
I did learn, however, from the book "that you can live quite nicely on one kidney." There was a controversy a few years ago that halted kidney transplants, due to a study on rats, however, they concluded through further research that it is safe.
Peace, Sansei.
Kerry
The condition is seen mainly in women who take large doses of analgesic mixtures daily over long periods of time. Many of them may also exhibit gastrointestinal disorders, anemia, and emotional disturbances
This is very interesting. I think I found the answer.
I hope you are well, and I have some questions for you via email.
Kerry
This is very interesting. I think I found the answer.
I hope you are well, and I have some questions for you via email.
Kerry
That's the kind of stuff that makes me shudder...and think, what have I done.
Good for you on school, Kerry. Be proud of what you're accomplishing.
XXX
Good for you on school, Kerry. Be proud of what you're accomplishing.
XXX
