Hello..all..as you probobly heard many times health proffesionals say certain drugs i.e cannibus,E,alcohol..even cigs..can lead up to heroin in certain cases.The 1st. drug or mind alterating substance i took was solvents..glue etc. when i was bout 10yrs.old&then over the yrs. i tried basically everthing(not a boast)so by the time i was about 26 i moved onto opiates.My question is basically do you believe softer drug use can lead to harder drugs&if so what was your 1st.drug experiment&how did your behaviour/use lead to an addiction.Thanks as ever take care folks.....Davey
Hey Davey, The same is certainly true for me. My history is nearly exactly the same as yours although I moved on to opiates sooner. Sniffed glue very young, 11 I think. Only did it once or twice, but smoked and drank after that. Weed, then pills. I guess it stands to reason if I'd never smoked weed, I'd never have tried H, but I'll never know. My sons have never done anything and so far so good. One thinks Jack Daniels seems appealing. I'll put a dropper full on his tongue and that'll be the end of that.
Good question. Take care,
Beck
Good question. Take care,
Beck
Hey you! Not too sure to the answer to that one. In my case the answer is definitely yes but I've got mates who did the same crap I did when we were 12 or 13yrs old and they've got good heads on their shoulders and didn't fall into the stupid crappy trap that I fell into. They've got good lives now, no active addictions.
Aren't all our stories similar, in a way! They're gateways if you're trying to get away from something and you hope that the answer is on the other side of that gate! Only problem is, is that the answer is only ever there for a couple of times and the rest of the time you're chasing what you saw or felt the first time.
I think it's all about you're personality. Sometimes crap can happen when you're young, too young to understand properly no matter how hard people try to explain it to you and it manifests itself later in life by making you self destruct. Don't know if any of that even makes any sense but there you go.
Aren't all our stories similar, in a way! They're gateways if you're trying to get away from something and you hope that the answer is on the other side of that gate! Only problem is, is that the answer is only ever there for a couple of times and the rest of the time you're chasing what you saw or felt the first time.
I think it's all about you're personality. Sometimes crap can happen when you're young, too young to understand properly no matter how hard people try to explain it to you and it manifests itself later in life by making you self destruct. Don't know if any of that even makes any sense but there you go.
I guess when I was 14 or 15 I used to drink cheap wine and smoke weed.I really dont know about"gateway drugs". I dont know anyone whose 1st drug they ever used was heroin.-That for me happened late in my life- go figure?
I do know that even now I have to be aware of when I have that rare drink that I dont overdo it. First of all,I hate waking up feeling lousy but most of all ,if I have a few to many,I begin to think about the drug I really want. If I allow alcohol to let my guard down,Ill be looking for heroin before I know it. Even after years of not being in the game,its not hard to get when you know how to play.
I told all you guys about my last slip-maybe a little less than a year ago. It was a one time thing, but alcohol was involved.
This time of year, with alcohol at every house and place I visit- I have to be really cognicent of the situation.Many people(coworkers .etc..) dont know about my addiction,so they naturally see nothing wrong with buying me a shot and a beer.You know "Lets Toast The Holidays..etc.." So while I dont go looking for trouble,Im aware that booze can be a gateway drug for me and I avoid it.
I can get away with 1 or so but I really dont enjoy it & why tempt it.
Now a nice double cappincino- I could have one now
best,
jack
I do know that even now I have to be aware of when I have that rare drink that I dont overdo it. First of all,I hate waking up feeling lousy but most of all ,if I have a few to many,I begin to think about the drug I really want. If I allow alcohol to let my guard down,Ill be looking for heroin before I know it. Even after years of not being in the game,its not hard to get when you know how to play.
I told all you guys about my last slip-maybe a little less than a year ago. It was a one time thing, but alcohol was involved.
This time of year, with alcohol at every house and place I visit- I have to be really cognicent of the situation.Many people(coworkers .etc..) dont know about my addiction,so they naturally see nothing wrong with buying me a shot and a beer.You know "Lets Toast The Holidays..etc.." So while I dont go looking for trouble,Im aware that booze can be a gateway drug for me and I avoid it.
I can get away with 1 or so but I really dont enjoy it & why tempt it.
Now a nice double cappincino- I could have one now
best,
jack
I like most started out with "pot" sniffing glue at 10 then heavy drinking, pills by 14, crack/coke/speed by 16ish 17. H came A LOT later 24. Was the pot a GATEWAY drug? in a round about way yes, maybe. I have friends who statred pot young never went to H. I don't even like pot now i never did to much anyway i stoped smoking pot with i started speed type drugs, stoped speed when i started H, never could drink while heavy into H addiction. Even now beer "can be a gateway drug for me "too" it has increased cravings and has brought about destructive thinking. I know so many people thou who are addicted to other drugs/drink and never touch a needle or H. I don't know what leads the few into heroin it's clear to me not everyone gets to H. I do highly think the SOFTER drugs might open your mind more to try something harder which i guess leads to H so I belive in the theory of gateway drugs. I would never have tried H had i not used coke i'v. So i lost the fear of needles long before H came into my life. I don't know a soul who's 1st drug was H. I've came to relise, It takes a strange personality to stick a needle in your vain.
Like ...Jack said booze can make us do silly stuff..of course it reduces our inhibtions..so we let our gaurd down.For me the mix of methd.&alcohol can&has lead me to take other drugs..maybe not specifically heroin but deff.benzos..which is a dangerous cocktail.I know there is no hard&fast answers to why we became addicts but the similarity in our experiences is obvious.Agree with ya all but im only throwing a lil question out there...an observation as my man Jack may say....take care all ..specially you yerself Z.girl&Robert........Davey
Huffing is one thing, and sorry Davey but I think that's plain nuts.
I am a nut, but I never huffed. I have a friend that did young and alot, and it slowed him down. Seriously, it burned up brain cells.
Me? Hated weed. Did the ocassional qualude at a club. I never eally did drugs though. I had pain pills for a medical thing, and I used them as prescribed. NEVER went over the directions. That all boggled me when I became a heroin addict at age 35.
I now know why I did the heroin. That saved my life. The timing worked perfect with psych stuff, and yeah I had to do the dope. After that I'd take anything. If I was geting sick I'd take benzo's, muscle relaxers. You name it. I hate benzo's. They give me a headache and I can't fathom why people take them.
Nope. Heroin was my drug. Too bad I was dating someone turned me onto it, but that's who I am. I learned from it. Gateway for me was one boyfriend out of jail after seven years who wanted to keep me. Keep me like a posession, and that he did. Once he tried it all hell broke loose. Nothing like two junkies fighting over who did more or who copped without who.
Very disgraced.
I am a nut, but I never huffed. I have a friend that did young and alot, and it slowed him down. Seriously, it burned up brain cells.
Me? Hated weed. Did the ocassional qualude at a club. I never eally did drugs though. I had pain pills for a medical thing, and I used them as prescribed. NEVER went over the directions. That all boggled me when I became a heroin addict at age 35.
I now know why I did the heroin. That saved my life. The timing worked perfect with psych stuff, and yeah I had to do the dope. After that I'd take anything. If I was geting sick I'd take benzo's, muscle relaxers. You name it. I hate benzo's. They give me a headache and I can't fathom why people take them.
Nope. Heroin was my drug. Too bad I was dating someone turned me onto it, but that's who I am. I learned from it. Gateway for me was one boyfriend out of jail after seven years who wanted to keep me. Keep me like a posession, and that he did. Once he tried it all hell broke loose. Nothing like two junkies fighting over who did more or who copped without who.
Very disgraced.
Bryn ....Huffing?presumebly sniffing glue&other rock,n,roll antics as The Ramones might say.Yep not good for the brain cells&a killer headache afterwards.I got shocked into stopping it around age 13...one day me&my pals were having a good ol Bostick zone out at the back of our housing estate(projects)..we were that doolally we didnt notice the coppers sneaking up to us...well when we did all of us ran to the four corners...unfortunatly one of my mates ran headlong into a telegraph pole...D.O.A..at age 12...scared the s*** outta me&never touched it since..but obviously that didnt stop me from further experimentation as i got older.Just another tale of druglife.
P.S..Bryn i got into those Omega 3..really good...thank you ........Davey
P.S..Bryn i got into those Omega 3..really good...thank you ........Davey
I think one drug can lead to another if you have that kind of personality, where basically we want to loose touch with reality, wether we admit it or not. 1st time I tried a real drug other than hash cakes was about 8 or 9, dabbing coke, but all I really noticed was the numb mouth, but that felt great, why because it was different. Like almost everyone else on this post, started solvent's at 11 and carried right on with the puffing, then the trips came popular again, then acid house reigned in 88-89 here in England and then Ecstacy, real Ecstacy changed my life, went through the coke and the basing thing then eventually into gear. I didn't touch any other drug other than benzo's or smack for a few good years, I got off the gear 3 month ago, and I thought it would change my life for the better, but oh no what have I done, Iv'e regresssed, this time eveything cranked through the eye of a needle, in the last 3 month, Iv'e cranked crystal for 10 day's, base speed which is the one drug I never entertained, plenty of pharmacuticals, i.e Valium amps, etc, although I felt quite proud when I regected dia morphine amps, although I did break down some fentanyl and wake up in hospital 12 hours later after 2 narcan jabs and what ever else they did to me, even Ketamine, and now iv'e gone full circle, cranking coke evey day(again) for over a month, so yesterday I kinda got lured back to England cos iv'e been staying out the way on foreign soil, great decision. I get back and the's an 1/8 waiting for me of source coke. So right now i'm gritting my teeth, the robot/metalic sounds have gone, I can't speak to anyone, any noise and i'm expecting them to come crashing in though the door, my breathing is calming down etc etc. And now iv'e got an infection in my groin, surprise surprise. So other than rambling and venting, yes softer drugs can lead to gear and 2ml barrels, just like budweiser can lead to neat whisky. The real main factor I think, who am I to talk right now, is some people have this nature and it's called addiction, whether physcological or physical or both. Whilst others can go out and have a party of a weekend and even go to work throught the week with no prob's and be quite content. For me I know abstinence is the only way further otherwise the only realistic other way is death, unless I get saved by a jail term, but overdoses and cocaine seizure's is definatly not the way foreward. I will have to swallow my pride, get humble again and try the rooms again, but properly this time. Anyway didn't mean to go on, but I think I got my point across in a rather long winded way-you can go this way or that, it's down to the individual, and unfortunatlly some of us seem cursed from word go, and have to fight every day or hour or minute.
WW..sounds like were similar in our drug learning curve..rave drugs then ching&rock then benzos&smack.Sorry mate it sounds like yer been thru the mill crystal i.v..nasty para mate..you know it.All i can say i try&start by putting that brown spiked 2ml..down.Yer off the tackle o.k as we know its just so easy to fall into other drugs for the very reason ya said ...to feel different...ya can work it..3mth off&you refuse pharmacutical heroin amps..fair play ....cut the other nasty mad s*** out of yer veins.Post back...take it easy........Davey
Davey, I know your 100% right, and to tell you the truth it all just makes me para and cranky these day's, the verve had it right when they said "when the drugs don't work".........it's that pin, I can't seem to drop it out. Needle fixation simple as, also now i'm off the tackle I feel alive again and the natural response is to use almost celebrate it.......messed up thoughts I know, but when youv'e been taking a substance every day for 2/3's of your life - 6 month's rehab in 96. What is normal?????? Anyway back on the board and ready for some pro active work and advice. Thanks for your reply a bit of suport/encouragement is what I need right now.
I didn't huff glue. I huffed gasoline, though. I was huffing gas and drinking moonshine when my son was conceived. I have'nt huffed gas or touched moonshine since then. I have'nt got pregnant again either. I wonder if there's a connection. LOL. I don't remember doing anything else that night. It had to be that wierd mixture of chemicals. I think some of us are predisposed to try every drug out there. Or maybe, for some of us, we're attempting to fix something we feel is wrong with us. (a self- medication thing) I don't really believe that pot and/or alcahol are gateways. They only lead to harder drugs for those of us who feel the need to use more and more and more!
Peace,
Shirley
Peace,
Shirley
