If you want to get rid of methadone and the doctors and clinics from your life, I have a suggestion. I am a former methadone user who quit cold turkey after ten years on an 80 ml per day dosage. I have chronic pain, depression and anxiety and have found a natural, plant based substance that allows you to quit methadone with few to no withdrawal effects. It is a natural antidepressant with anti anxiety attributes.
Kratom is a tree native to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Borneo, etc.). Its botanical name is Mitragyna speciosa. Kratom is in the same family as the coffee tree (Rubiaceae). The leaves of kratom have been used as an herbal drug from time immemorial by peoples of Southeast Asia.
Kratom is inexpensive, legal (in Canada anyways) and easy to get online. You don't need a doctor and you won't have to go to clinics. It does NOT show up in drug tests. You can take recovery into your own and get rid of the medical manacle of methadone. You will feel better and function better. I do attest to that. Good luck to all who try it and to all on that poison methadone, however you do it, get off it as soon as you can. I wasted ten years of my life on methadone and now I have been off it for a year and a half I see that I was asleep for ten years. Now I am awake and alive and I wish that for all of you too.
How nice for you :)
Yes, Bonnie5, it is indeed beyond nice for me! Unfortunately, I did not find the kratom until after I finished my withdawal from methadone and also benzodiazepam. A very trying ordeal for me but so very worthwhile. As I do suffer from chronic pain, depression and anxiety/panic attacks I wanted to find something to help myself that did not require a doctor or clinics and kratom fits the bill quite nicely. I have been on and off antidepressants for years too and they were never helpful for me but everything they lacked the kratom provided but without feeling "high" or "drugged" in any way. Subsequent research showed me that people who used kratom while withdrawing from methadone did NOT suffer, as I did, from the withdrawal side effects and it is for that reason that I wanted to post on this site to spread the word to people seeking a way out of the perscription (or street) drug trap. Now I only take kratom about once or twice a month, it is not something that you must dose yourself with on a regular basis, it can be used when necessary and then discontinued as needed. Also, my research indicates that the current definition of addiction is quite erroneous. The brain is so much more plastic than previously believed. Addiction is what you have trained your brain to expect and, in some cases, crave and you can easily train it away from these harmful substances. I am certainly proof of that. I have no support system, have not been in any rehab programs nor had any counselling whatsoever. I just did some research and went from there. I have had no cravings whatsoever for methadone or any other drug over the last year and a half and do not expect to.
Kratom is banned in most countries. ...see below link...and the list is growing. ...also...there are many many different strains of Kratom....see second link...pls. research before using...or considering buying. . it's reaction differs for each person...and as anything. .including poppy seeds...has potential for addiction ..drug forum is a good place for this type of information. ...
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I' m glad you found kratom helpful. The reason it probably workd so well for you is because you were already off methadone when you tried it. It is useful in those with little to no tolerance, but it is not strong enough chemically to mitigate withdrawal symptoms in those with any sort of physical tolerance.
Kratom does cause physical addiction, so be aware of that. As Con said, it is being banned more and more. So, if you continue to use it, be prepared for the day when you can no longer get what you need and find yourself, once again, going through withdrawal.
Also, be aware that there are many people who have used kratom and had it pop up as a false positive for other things on urine drug screens. While these false positives can be confirmed with GC/MS (gas chromatography-mass spectrometry), it is expensive to retest, and if you have to do a drug screen for a job, they will and can deny you employment based on the initial false positive and are not required to retest the sample with GC/MS. The most recent studies suggest not injesting any kratom products for at least 7 days before a urine drug screen to help eliminate false positive results.
Kratom does cause physical addiction, so be aware of that. As Con said, it is being banned more and more. So, if you continue to use it, be prepared for the day when you can no longer get what you need and find yourself, once again, going through withdrawal.
Also, be aware that there are many people who have used kratom and had it pop up as a false positive for other things on urine drug screens. While these false positives can be confirmed with GC/MS (gas chromatography-mass spectrometry), it is expensive to retest, and if you have to do a drug screen for a job, they will and can deny you employment based on the initial false positive and are not required to retest the sample with GC/MS. The most recent studies suggest not injesting any kratom products for at least 7 days before a urine drug screen to help eliminate false positive results.
All that you say is, to a certain extent, true. However, It is still legal in Canada, where I am and still available in some States in the US.
Here is link to someone who DID use kratom to COME OFF of methadone:
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=92099
Additionally, I mentiond the current scientific thinking by neuroscientists and neurobiologists on the nature of addiction is that the brain is far more plastic than formerly thought and therefore the current medical establishment's version of addiction is NOT accurate. Once addicted does NOT mean that you cannot change.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...les/PMC3644798/
Also, using kratom once or twice a month as I now do is not "addictive" behaviour.
All I am trying to do is offer an alternative to people to allow them to get themselves out of an intolerable situation. Certainly it would be up to them to decide for themselves and to try for themselves a substance that can (in some places, such as Canada) allow them to take charge of their own lives and their own substance abuse/prescription problems without daddy doctor telling them what they can and cannot do.
In my experience at the methadone clinic for ten years the prevailing thought of most of my "fellow patients" is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get off of methadone and once you are on it, you are on it for life and I want to say most emphatically that this is NOT true!
I would also like to say that this may not be for every person, that people have to make their own decisions and that I put this forward as a helpful suggestion to someone who may be struggling and looking for help that does NOT require doctor or a twelve step program or rehab, some way to take control of their situation BY THEMSELVES and if my post can help even one person that is enough for me. If you do not want to try kratom, by all means don't freakin' bother but do NOT shut down the whole idea because YOU don't think it is a good one. Also, I would recommend that anyone wanting to try the kratom to RESEARCH it thoroughly.
Here is link to someone who DID use kratom to COME OFF of methadone:
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=92099
Additionally, I mentiond the current scientific thinking by neuroscientists and neurobiologists on the nature of addiction is that the brain is far more plastic than formerly thought and therefore the current medical establishment's version of addiction is NOT accurate. Once addicted does NOT mean that you cannot change.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...les/PMC3644798/
Also, using kratom once or twice a month as I now do is not "addictive" behaviour.
All I am trying to do is offer an alternative to people to allow them to get themselves out of an intolerable situation. Certainly it would be up to them to decide for themselves and to try for themselves a substance that can (in some places, such as Canada) allow them to take charge of their own lives and their own substance abuse/prescription problems without daddy doctor telling them what they can and cannot do.
In my experience at the methadone clinic for ten years the prevailing thought of most of my "fellow patients" is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get off of methadone and once you are on it, you are on it for life and I want to say most emphatically that this is NOT true!
I would also like to say that this may not be for every person, that people have to make their own decisions and that I put this forward as a helpful suggestion to someone who may be struggling and looking for help that does NOT require doctor or a twelve step program or rehab, some way to take control of their situation BY THEMSELVES and if my post can help even one person that is enough for me. If you do not want to try kratom, by all means don't freakin' bother but do NOT shut down the whole idea because YOU don't think it is a good one. Also, I would recommend that anyone wanting to try the kratom to RESEARCH it thoroughly.
I got off methadone... 9 yrs on...pretty sure I'm still an addict. ..no one condemning you....we're just giving information ..doesn't matter what you use...everything has a price....your opinion on how and what you use or how you think about addiction is as good as anyone else's. ..in the end.... same boat..different paddle. ....
I am very glad that you got off it Constantine, it is an evil drug.
I, after a few moments reflection, would also like to say that there are a lot of people on the 'net who advocate the use of kratom to get high. They also advocate for dosages that would make an elephant vomit.
I, most emphatically DO NOT recommend kratom to get high. I also maintain that a "less is more" attitude towards dosage would be prudent for anyone trying it.
I, after a few moments reflection, would also like to say that there are a lot of people on the 'net who advocate the use of kratom to get high. They also advocate for dosages that would make an elephant vomit.
I, most emphatically DO NOT recommend kratom to get high. I also maintain that a "less is more" attitude towards dosage would be prudent for anyone trying it.
Nine years Constantine and you still think you are an addict? I think you have bought the old school line of addiction. The more recent scientific findings on the brain would suggest otherwise. That being said, you are what you think you are I guess. My suggestion would be to be kinder to yourself and realise that yes, you do paddle your own canoe and nine years of sobriety would tell you that you are paddling in the right direction and are not an "addict".
I think these tracks might disagree ...that said....methadone saved my life...everything has potential for evil....would do it again if I ever get to the point where I feel I need to ...juice only works if you work with it. ..doesn't cure you...but buys time away from the monkey and the circus ...once off...your still the same junkie that got on...it's why alot of people stay on it...clean time is just that...time clean...1...2 or 10 years...doesn't matter...haven't met too many people who have put it away for good....different degrees of addiction. ..different boats...different paddles...
I am sure many will disagree with me however, I am confident in the latest scientific findings about the brain and how it works and have a rooted objection to the thought that we are vicitms of biology. That old "once a jukie always a junkie" theory is just wrong on so many levels and it is that kind of thinking that traps individuals and makes them feel hopeless and out of control.
We are sentient beings with the gift of self determination and even if we get off track fo a time we CAN get back on track.
I just want people to know that they are stronger and more capable than they may believe in times of weakness and that they can overcome any weaknesses or bad habit if they want to.
To have an identity predicated on "addiction" is a societal construct that has no basis in science and is not helpful in the long term in becoming self actualized as a person.
I understamd that many, many people make a nice living preaching to the "addiction" choir but I am not and will not sing along.
We are sentient beings with the gift of self determination and even if we get off track fo a time we CAN get back on track.
I just want people to know that they are stronger and more capable than they may believe in times of weakness and that they can overcome any weaknesses or bad habit if they want to.
To have an identity predicated on "addiction" is a societal construct that has no basis in science and is not helpful in the long term in becoming self actualized as a person.
I understamd that many, many people make a nice living preaching to the "addiction" choir but I am not and will not sing along.
That's fine until you assume every addict wants to remain clean...reconditioning is long...arduous and continuous work...couple that with physical distress...and most do not see it through... the brain can be re- conditioned when behaviors are modified ....and only if one really wants it to be modified. .you can lead a horse to water...but you can't make it drink....or in this case...lead a brain to sobriety but can't make it think...I've heard the same science. ..heard the new mantras. ..but I haven't seen anything new as far as addicts and staying clean in over 30 years...old school it might be. ..but 'I've seen therapy. ..rehabs...self examination. ..scientific discoveries....recovery mtgs...meds...and even love...fail in the face of a determined addict. ...that of self actualization...is and must also be identified as a societal construct...and also asks the question then...self actualized...as what ? ... what is your perception of acceptable societal identifiers ? Complete self actualization? ...according to...based on...what ? . ...peace.....I wish you well...
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@Con..this really has nothing to do with this thread but I love the way your mind works and I love the way you explain things! Now get the hell out of Bavaria and come to the states so we can be good friends! :)
LMAO. ..go click on B's link of pic of her cat on the heroin board in thread " how long have you gone " and like it....we'll find you...
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