way is it when your on the pills you think, you can go off them, and it won,t be so bade, this is my problem, evertime. i think i can do it, but when the time comes, im having shush bade panick attices, its to mush, that is what happen today, so i went to see my doct, and told them what was going on, she would not see me, and last week i rand out off my meds , so ive been in bade shape this last few days, and not sleeping does not help, i don,t now if my doct can just cut me off like that, i take adivan, for panic, attackes, and i only take 2 at nite, but i take the purks, 6 at a time, and so i rund out, ever month, but iknow my son has taken my meds, and that is way im out off the adivan, does enyone know if a doct can just cut you off, like this, i see her friday, but now im having a panic attce, see in her, and then if she doesent, give me my meds, im in big trouble, ive called the meth, clince, to see if i can get on that, to help me, so im not going throu this all the time, but there is a wateing list, tell the new year, and things are not good here in, my home, my hubby thinks the i should just be able to do this with now problem, he has now understanding off what i go throu, and does not caer, so if enyone can help that would be great thanks karen.
Karen, doctors can do whatever they want.
Karen, I'm so sorry that you're going through this again. Have you thought about going to meetings? Is your husband still going? It might help the anxiety if you were able to talk to others that understood. Getting more pills or getting on Meth is not going to help you, you'll just run out again and have to start all over again. The sleep will come, try not to stress over it too much. I know, easier said than done. Take care. CG
Karen Ive watched you stuggle for so long now.Have you ever thought of trying Sub?Its not a crutch & it can help you through the hardest part,get you thinking clearer & than you can try either private therapy or AA.Please keep picking yourself up.
Im leery of Meth only because I abused it & felt like I lost my soul,Im suggesting Sub because out of the 2 Sub is alot safer...DONT GIVE UP
Im leery of Meth only because I abused it & felt like I lost my soul,Im suggesting Sub because out of the 2 Sub is alot safer...DONT GIVE UP
t5hankyou for perplying, to my post, yes i would jump at the chanse to go on sub, but we don,t have it in canada, so i don,t now what,else to do, if i had my adivan, i mite be able to, get thro this, but my hubby, won,t even take me to a clinc, he has band me from, the car, his way off controling, me, he has become a vary crul person, he thinks becuse he has gone cold turky i should to, everone is deffernt, i will see my doct, friday im praying she will not cut me off, our i don,t no what ill do, im giving my meds to someone to dool out to me, becuse i have no control enymoer, i wish i could trun back the time when i never took enything, but as we now that is not the case, thanks again, a few prayers would help writ now, i will let you now how it goes, karen.
Karen you will be in my prayers as my heart hurts for you.When you see your Dr be as open & honest as you can & tell her your scared.Karen as long as you keep picking yourself up & trying there is hope.As always on this board theres LOVE & SUPPORT
YOU....ARE.....NOT....ALONE!!!
YOU....ARE.....NOT....ALONE!!!
Just remember Karen, that nothing changes until something changes. You will be forever stuck right where you are unless you start doing things differently. So, what about those meetings?
Karen if you feel overwhelmed with the idea of meetings at least try private therapy.For me the one on one approach just feels better & I feel safer(thats my own issues though)
molly
molly
Karen
Almost everyone i know that got onto narcotics, think that they will be able to "handle" withdrawal for a few days till they refill their bottle but thats because while we think like that...we are under the influence of the drug....
shows you how much it alters our perceptions doesnt it?? makes our thinking a perceived reality...when in fact, once we are starting to get off the pills, we are hit with true reality and therein lies the cycle of addiction..
now i am not a nurse honey but i am very sure that stopping Valium is more dangerous then stopping pain pills as it has the added possibility of seizures...
If your Dr gave you the meds, she has a responsibility to either refill or wean you off the med in a safe manner. There is a protocol in place..in fact all Drs must adhere to the H. oath of "Do no harm"
She should not cut you off cold turkey....but do take this opportunity to share with her that you are using the meds more than prescribed and share your concerns about your dependency/addiction....
just being honest with her and sharing this information will be the first step towards getting better...secrecy and shame will only keep you stuck....
Please hang in there, keep posting and let us know how it goes tomorrow...
make yourself some tea, do deep breathing,take a hot bath and perhaps even take a GABA or valerian root f you have any on hand. Valerian root is what valium is derived from and GABAS is an amino acid that helps to calm us..
Always check with your Dr before adding anything to your regime, even if you buy it from a healthstore...but it may help get you through till tomorrow...
Hugs
Ali
Almost everyone i know that got onto narcotics, think that they will be able to "handle" withdrawal for a few days till they refill their bottle but thats because while we think like that...we are under the influence of the drug....
shows you how much it alters our perceptions doesnt it?? makes our thinking a perceived reality...when in fact, once we are starting to get off the pills, we are hit with true reality and therein lies the cycle of addiction..
now i am not a nurse honey but i am very sure that stopping Valium is more dangerous then stopping pain pills as it has the added possibility of seizures...
If your Dr gave you the meds, she has a responsibility to either refill or wean you off the med in a safe manner. There is a protocol in place..in fact all Drs must adhere to the H. oath of "Do no harm"
She should not cut you off cold turkey....but do take this opportunity to share with her that you are using the meds more than prescribed and share your concerns about your dependency/addiction....
just being honest with her and sharing this information will be the first step towards getting better...secrecy and shame will only keep you stuck....
Please hang in there, keep posting and let us know how it goes tomorrow...
make yourself some tea, do deep breathing,take a hot bath and perhaps even take a GABA or valerian root f you have any on hand. Valerian root is what valium is derived from and GABAS is an amino acid that helps to calm us..
Always check with your Dr before adding anything to your regime, even if you buy it from a healthstore...but it may help get you through till tomorrow...
Hugs
Ali
Ali- What they SHOULD do and what they DO do are two different things as you know..it's unfortunate that not all doctors have the companssion to actually help people. They are pretty much governed by the litigious nature of patients and hence tend to run and disavow when someone comes to them (unless they are some kind of addiction specialist).
Hey Ali,
When I was going to Pain Management, they made you sign a contract, and it stated that they can, and would dismiss you if you abused, doctor shopped etc.
Not sure if Karen had that type of contract or if she had one period.
But they certainly can say 'buh bye' without helping you with WD. And in their minds, like Bull said, litigation is the number one motivating factor. Lose of their DEA license and their ability to Practice.
Most patients will not take it any further for the simple reason, crap will be dug from their closets. 'Well she/he were abusing them'. etc etc, more often than not will get turned back to the patient as the culprit.
When I was going to Pain Management, they made you sign a contract, and it stated that they can, and would dismiss you if you abused, doctor shopped etc.
Not sure if Karen had that type of contract or if she had one period.
But they certainly can say 'buh bye' without helping you with WD. And in their minds, like Bull said, litigation is the number one motivating factor. Lose of their DEA license and their ability to Practice.
Most patients will not take it any further for the simple reason, crap will be dug from their closets. 'Well she/he were abusing them'. etc etc, more often than not will get turned back to the patient as the culprit.
Isnt' that sad? A dr is more worried about losing thier license for treating the addiction rather than over prescribing it in the first place? It doesn't make any sense to me. They need to be part of the solution. Isn't it part of the hypocratic oath? Help a patient in need and they can't like turn anyone away?
Ok, so Karen's dr might not give her pills but I hope she helps her detox.
Ok, so Karen's dr might not give her pills but I hope she helps her detox.
I hope they do help her. Depends on what kind of patient you are.
As it has been written on this board, people have been discharged from their doctors, for being demanding. They are not obligated to keep you on board. And it is sad, if the person in question is being honest with them.
Sometimes one or two bad apples could hurt those like karen from getting the help she needs.
As it has been written on this board, people have been discharged from their doctors, for being demanding. They are not obligated to keep you on board. And it is sad, if the person in question is being honest with them.
Sometimes one or two bad apples could hurt those like karen from getting the help she needs.
Lisa- When I quit Xanax and told my Dr. never to give it to me again, you could see the obvious look of relief on his face. Same with my specialist when I told him no more Vicodin, and he didn't even know I was addicted. I think at first they prescribe it with all the best intentions, but then their insurance premiums get the best of them and they look for the easiest way out. I don't think addicts are the only ones who experience denial.
As a rule, most of the drs I've dealt with or have heard about, are caring, supportive people. They want the best for their patients and don't want them in pain. I get that. It's just that they need more education about addiction, especially the older more established drs so that they can stop it for some before it starts and help those that are too far gone. Like I was. Mine continued to offer scripts even after I got out of the treatment that he arranged for me. And not because he was a bad dr but because it is his job to take care of me. And they do it with better living through chemicals. It's sad that I had to educate him. Lucky for me I was far enough in my recovery to do that.
Who knows..maybe I'm a cynic
No, I think you're a realist Danny. It's just different experiences.
Bull
Hmmm....well i stand corrected..
although i maintain like you said, that they SHOULD live by the oath they took, and particularly if they are the dr that got you hooked, they should be responsible for helping you get off....
i know it was mentioned about litigation concerns, and we really dont have that same type of problem here in Canada, but if she was to leave without her RX of valium and then go into a serious convulsion, i would think the dr could be held liable...valium withdrawal is pretty serious is it not???
Amyway..i sure hope these posts arent scaring you, i would just go in, be honest, and respectful, above all HONEST ...and im sure she will help you wean off the pills safetly....
Let us know how it goes...
hugs
Ali
Hmmm....well i stand corrected..
although i maintain like you said, that they SHOULD live by the oath they took, and particularly if they are the dr that got you hooked, they should be responsible for helping you get off....
i know it was mentioned about litigation concerns, and we really dont have that same type of problem here in Canada, but if she was to leave without her RX of valium and then go into a serious convulsion, i would think the dr could be held liable...valium withdrawal is pretty serious is it not???
Amyway..i sure hope these posts arent scaring you, i would just go in, be honest, and respectful, above all HONEST ...and im sure she will help you wean off the pills safetly....
Let us know how it goes...
hugs
Ali
Karen- It wasn't my intent to scare you or anything. There comes a time though where you kind of have to say enough is enough. I think once you do finally say enough, you are going to feel a whole lot better about yourself and your place in life. In fact, I guarantee it.
thankyou all, well things did go ok, yesterday, at the doct, she gave me my meds, and im making, plans, to have someone doll them out to me, so i don,t have to keep going throu this, its crazy what i put myself, and husbean throu, and i must say the last few days he has been there for me, witch, has made things a lot better, my dovt,did say that if i was in withdrul she would not have helped me, so i just told her i was having a bade panic attace, and i was, so now its time to do the write thing, thankyou guys again, your prayers helped im suer, love karen.
