Laurie Posted: March 1, 2005, 11:27 PM
I hope you get this answer. Your answer to stopping Methamphetamine cravings is GVG, brand name Vigabatrin. It is listed right here on this website under treatments. I have studied this treatment drug for many years and it has now been used successfully in clincial trials in Mexico, guided and funded by Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York. GVG has been studied far far more extensively than any other potential treatment for drugs of abuse. It is for all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, crystal meth, tobacco, alcohol, heroin, even for inhalants. In January the FDA gave the go ahead for a large clinical trial in the U.S. I spoke with the doctor in Mexico who ran the clinical trials in Mexicali, and was told "it is really is a miracle." The last clincial trial was for both cocaine and methamphetamines. Some dropped out of the trials to use drugs of abuse again. GVG does not kick-in to stop cravings for two to three weeks. Out of 30 patients, around 16 stayed drug free 4 consecutive weeks, the trial period. These trials had long time every day users, 12 to 15 years.
Six months later many were still clean. GVG can be used as a maintenance drug if necessary. Methamphetamine raises brain dopamine 2700 times above normal levels, cocaine 500 times above normal. GVG lowers dopamine levels to normal while raising GABA. This eliminates cravings. The patients stayed in their drug infested neighborhoods and went to the clinic periodically for the GVG, multiple drugs testing, eye checks, counseling.
The subjects gained self esteem, got jobs, relationships repaired, etc.
When one quits on their own or tries, at around 6 months the drugs of abuse are cleared out of system but this is the common time to relapse. The reason for this is that there is an increased level of brain growth hormone for years after quitting drugs, especially stimulants like meth. This increase is for the maturing of juvenille brain neurons (millions are hatched daily). The increase in brain growth hormone "raises" brain dopamine 25% when no drugs of abuse are in the body, causing intense cravings. Addictive drugs more or less, kill brain neurons. A vicious cycle, and is why when someone stops all drugs, including cigarettes and coffeee/tea (caffeine), they are still in an recovering addictive state for years, depending on how much drugs used, what drug used, and how long used.
GVG stops the cycle of addiction by restoring/tempering the dopamine system. It is available in Canada, England, as well as the government clinics in Mexico.
Laurie Posted: March 6, 2005, 8:00 PM
Also replied under a methamphetamine medication craving heading. The most researched treatment-drug ever, GVG, for all drugs of abuse, has finally gone through human clinical trials via Brookhaven National Laboratory, New York, at a Mexican government clinic, and a U.S. trial was approved in Jan. to go ahead. This is the epilepsy drug Vigabatrin or GVG, used for years in 60 other countries for epilepsy, except the U.S. GVG is for all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, Methamphetamine, alcohol, MJ, tobacco, heroin, ectasy, inhalants. Mexican gov. clinic had Cocaine trial, then cocaine and meth trial.
The treatment period is 9 weeks of ramping up and finally tapering off the GVG. Patients reported cravings gone at two to three weeks of treatment. Some quit treatment to use their drug of choice again. For people who 'completed' the trial, most stayed off drugs of abuse after trial. Those who used drugs of choice during treatment with GVG, used significantly less.
Methamphetamine raises brain dopamine 2700 times above normal, cocaine 550 times above normal. Most other drugs much less. If it works for meth it can work for others, and research shows this. GVG lowers brain dopamine to normal levels while raising GABA. Seems to put brain in pre-addictive state biochemically somewhat, and it's the biochemical dopamine system of brain that causes addiction and craving.
When a person quits drugs on their own, at around 5-6 months is the most common time for relapse. This is because all drugs are cleared from body and what is left is increased 'nerve' growth hormone production. Not good, because this hormone increases dopamine 25% and causes cravings. The nerve growth hormone is increased in order to mature thousands to millions? of brain nerve cells (neurons) that are hatched daily. The drugs of abuse, especially stimulants and Meth., kill off brain nerve cells. Now, for those who are not experiencing craving at 6 months for whatever reason, God bless you, and I read one post here stating this for themselves. If needed, GVG can be taken as a maintainance drug. People have used it for epilepsy for many years without side effects. The one side effect that some people got was loss of peripheral vision, some researchers say temporary. Researchers now say the amount of GVG taken for addiction treatment is far less than it takes for vision problem to occur in 'some' people. This is why the U.S. gov. has finally given the go ahead for clinical trials here in U.S., and because it works for addictions. Website: www.bnl.gov. Search GVG and Vigabatrin. I am anxious to know how it works for addicts in other countries like England and Canada where word is spreading? The method of treatment is specific for success and must be taken as research scientists have determined to work best; amounts, how often, etc. Thanks for reading. Remember, God has a plan for you. Jesus said "It is the sick who need a doctor", and meth addicts should realize that they have a disease that at long last can be treated and cured. It's their responsibility, this disease is unlike others, a disease from Hell that effects everyone, where everyone loses. Thank God for GVG.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 3:56 PM
GVG also called Vigabatrin is the first treatment ever that stops cravings and works. Don't know where you are, but it was used successfully for cocaine and methamphetamine addictions in two clinical trials by Brookhaven government lab. in New York. The trial was conducted in Mexicali, Mexico (since not legal in U.S. yet). It's an epilepsy drug used for many years around the world. The FDA has given the go ahead for clinical trials to start in U.S. soon, due to the success of Brookhaven's trials in Mexicali. It lowers brain dopamine/raising GABA, and stops craving in 2 to 3 wks. People who completed the trial in '03 and '04 are still drug free today. GVG is for all drugs of abuse, since all illegal drugs raise brain dopamine. It's cheap treatment in the Mexicali gov. clinic. People in treatment stay in their own homes are hotels if live out of area.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 4:31 PM
Dear 'my eyes tell',
The truth is that you do not have psychological cravings. Science knows much about the addicted brain, now, and the cravings are caused by the dramatic rise in brain dopamine. Cocaine raises dopamine 550 times above normal, crystal meth 2700 times above normal. The thoughts that cause cravings when a person is in recovery are called "environmental cue cravings", an example is talking to drug friends on phone, hearing ice tinkle in glass, seeing money, phone ringing, etc. It can be anything, and even if no cues present still the urge/cravings come and go and 6 months sober is the most common time for relapse when all drugs are cleared from body leaving depleted dopamine. What causes cravings in recovery are depleted nerve cells (damaged/dead) in dopamine system, causes increased nerve growth hormone. This is needed to mature the juvenille nerve cells that are newly hatched daily by the thousands. This increase in nerve growth hormone causes DOPAMINE TO RISE 25%, causing intense cravings. This goes on for many months/years. Fortunately, NOW there is GVG/Viagabatrin to STOP CRAVINGS, and it works and is being called a miracle by scientists and doctors. The FDA approved clincial trials with Vigabatrin recently to take place in the U.S. If you don't want to wait till legal here, you can go to gov. clinic trial clinic in Mexicali, Mexico, where trial was successfully run by Brookhaven National Lab., New York. WWW.BNL.GOV.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 4:59 PM
To Amal & 4integrity,
Addicts that do best have family support. This doesn't mean to enable addict to use drugs in any way. But they need encouragement and love. I fully understand what it's like to be with a cocaine and meth addict (they are the worst). What can you do when they are totally negative, violent, won't talk about their addiction, in total denial? Out of control and barely eating few times a week, not sleeping for days, and look awful and unlike themselves?
There is a answer at long last. I've followed scientific research on treatments for years, and this new treatment stops cravings and is successful. It's the first treatment to be studied extensively and the first to 'stop cravings' . It's for all drugs of abuse, because they all dramatically raise brain dopamine and this is cause of drug cravings. Two successful clincal trials and now is approved for a trial in the U.S. Scientists and doctors are very excited about this treatment. IT's GVG also called Vigabatrin. Research it on WWW.BNL.GOV.
If I were you I would leave husbands till they agree to take and complete GVG treatment (9 wks.) in Mexicali, Mexico or Canada or England or other country (I'ts legal in over 60 countries where is used for epilepsy), then you will welcome them back to your families as a normal drug free husband and father. It is cheap in Mexicali clinic, where BNL (Brookhaven National Laboratory) ran two successful clincals trials. You stay in hotels and go to the Mexicali government clinic for the GVG and counseling and drug screenings.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 5:25 PM
GVG, widely used for epilepsy in over 60 countries, scientists have found it GVG stops cravings for all drugs of abuse, including tobacco, alcohol, MJ, heroin, cocaine, crystal meth. Scientists are very excited. Drugs raise brain dopamine dramatically. Dopamine is what causes the drug cravings. GVG lowers dopamine to normal levels, stopping cravings. Treatment is for 9 weeks. In clinical trials for cocaine/methamphetamine, subjects that completed trials in '03 and '04 have stayed drug free. The subjects who dropped out of trials did not stay drug free, obviously. GVG can be used as a maintainence treatment if necessary. If interested in being free of cravings for drugs, free of relapses, etc., I would say like the pre-addictive state of feeling, with every day thoughts of normal persons, research for yourself or loved one on WWW.BNL.GOV, search words GVG and Vigabatrin. This treatment available now in the clinical trial government clinic in Mexicali, Mexico, where Brookhaven National Laboratory ran the trials. It's very inexpensive and treatment is for 9 weeks while patients stay in hotels, come to clinic for GVG, drug screening, counseling. FDA recently approved a U.S. clinical trial for GVG/Vigabatrin.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 5:45 PM
Widely used for epilepsy in over 60 countries, scientists have long researched GVG/Vigabatrin and found it stops cravings for all drugs of abuse; tobacco, alcohol, crystal meth, cocaine, MJ, heroin, ectasy, inhalants. Scientists are very excited. Drugs of abuse raise brain dopamine dramatically. Dopamine is what causes addiction and drug cravings. GVG lowers dopamine to normal levels, stopping cravings. Treatment is for 9 weeks. In clincial trials for cocaine/crystal meth, subjects that completed trials in '03 and '04 have stayed drug free. The subjects that dropped out of trials did not, obviously. GVG can be used as a maintainence drug if necessary, but don't know if that would be needed by some or not. If interested in being free of drug cravings, free of relapses, withdrawals, etc., and I would say in a pre-addictive state of being, with everyday thoughts of normal persons, reserach for yourself or loved ones on WWW.BNL.GOV. Search words GVG and Vigabatrin. This treatment is available now in Mexicali, Mexico, where Brookhaven National Laboratory ran the clincial trials. It's very inexpensive there, and patients stay in hotels and come to government clinic for GVG, drug screening, and counseling (9 wks.). FDA recently gave the go ahead for a U.S. clinical trial using GVG/Vigabatrin for cocaine addiction.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 6:04 PM
I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has taken GVG for any drug addiction: Cocaine, crystal meth, alcohol, MJ, heroin, tobacco, etc., in Mexico, Canada or England. It's been used in two successful clinical trials in Mexico for cocaine and crystal meth, and I would imagine there have been trials in Canada and England where word has spread about GVG's success. The treatment protocol is specific from the research by Brookhaven Lab. scientists. GVG is listed as a medication treatment for cocaine on this website. This is a 'great' website by the way, best one of it's type I've found.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 12:54 AM
To My Eyes Tell,
Thanks, I'm glad my explanation made some sense. Not written real clearly.
What's important to know is that it is a physical biochemical disease of brain, and there is increasing healing with time. Many are able to recover with 12 steps which is based on God, as wwGirl spoke about. I believe without God in one's life, what does anything matter? This life is quite temporary, eternal life is forever and we hope to spend it in God's presence. Many are not able to stop using and thank God for GVG treatment to stop the drug craving. I've been searching for a treatment for 11 years for addicted relatives (20 yrs. addicted, first cocaine, then crystal meth), have printed out and read thousands of pages on addictions and possible treatments, and and I truly believe that God has given all addicted people who need it, this GVG treatment, and other treatments are in the works. I think drug addiction is the devil's best accomplishment and especially crystal meth. If using cocaine, please don't ever think about crystal meth, it's even more deadly, making one angry 24-7, total personality disinegration, negative/depressive thoughts, not eating or sleeping, no focus to even watch TV, awful delusions. However, God has promised deliverance from addiction for my relatives. We sure do serve a Great and Mighty God, as my grandaughter says! WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 2:06 AM
Dear Cary,
No, I have not taken GVG/Vigabatrin. Have addicted relatives, and following scientific research for 11 years to learn about addictions and potential treatments that scientists have been hard at work researching on for many years. Have read thousands of addiction articles on what the scientists have learned, they are the experts. It was Brookhaven National Lab. that built the PET (positron Emission Tomography) machine to look closely at the addicted brain. Before this, they only had autopsies to see. With the PET, it helped scientists find the 'cause' of drug addiction, and this paved the way to explore treatments.
GVG, a drug used for epilepsy in over 60 countries for 20 years, is by far the most studied addiction treatment ever. It has been studied in animals since 1986 for addiction. The doctor who did the first human clinical trials as well as others are calling GVG a miracle and are excited. I've spoken to doctor. These brilliant and dedicated scientists/doctors deserve much credit for their many years of work and this success.
No, one cannot drink or take other drugs after treatment with GVG. This would cause brain dopamine to rise way above normal levels and cause addiction, again. With the cravings eliminated with GVG treatment, there is not a need to use. To me this is sounds like a cure, with the brain in it's pre-addictive state basically. I haven't read that they are calling it a cure, though.
People's brains are different, meaning their susceptibility to addiction varies greatly from zero to high. So this is genetic. So, while for some people like Hank Williams, the singer, the first alcohol drink will start a quickly progressive disease to death, others can drink a few cocktails everyday and never progress to using more, and some (like me) do not like what alcohol or tobacco feels like at all so don't use. A book I read explains how the oldest civilizations such as Asia, Middle East, have few alcoholics/addicts, while the newer civilizations such as Ireland, American Indians, have many alcoholica/addicts. Also it said that problem drinkers were not the same thing as the disease of alcoholism.
God gave us AA, and He also gave us treatments (GVG) for those who cannot stop using, to stop. God has a plan for us all and will deliver us all from our difficulties, through faith and prayer. P.S. In the GVG clinical trials, people who completed the trial said craving was eliminated in 2 to 3 weeks, and did not return. They re-established healthy family relationships, showed improved self esteem, went to work, or actively sought work. GVG information is on BNL.COM and on the NIDA website as well.
GVG, widely used for epilepsy in over 60 countries, scientists have found it GVG stops cravings for all drugs of abuse, including tobacco, alcohol, MJ, heroin, cocaine, crystal meth. Scientists are very excited. Drugs raise brain dopamine dramatically. Dopamine is what causes the drug cravings. GVG lowers dopamine to normal levels, stopping cravings. Treatment is for 9 weeks. In clinical trials for cocaine/methamphetamine, subjects that completed trials in '03 and '04 have stayed drug free. The subjects who dropped out of trials did not stay drug free, obviously. GVG can be used as a maintainence treatment if necessary. If interested in being free of cravings for drugs, free of relapses, etc., I would say like the pre-addictive state of feeling, with every day thoughts of normal persons, research for yourself or loved one on WWW.BNL.GOV, search words GVG and Vigabatrin. This treatment available now in the clinical trial government clinic in Mexicali, Mexico, where Brookhaven National Laboratory ran the trials. It's very inexpensive and treatment is for 9 weeks while patients stay in hotels, come to clinic for GVG, drug screening, counseling. FDA recently approved a U.S. clinical trial for GVG/Vigabatrin.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 5:45 PM
Widely used for epilepsy in over 60 countries, scientists have long researched GVG/Vigabatrin and found it stops cravings for all drugs of abuse; tobacco, alcohol, crystal meth, cocaine, MJ, heroin, ectasy, inhalants. Scientists are very excited. Drugs of abuse raise brain dopamine dramatically. Dopamine is what causes addiction and drug cravings. GVG lowers dopamine to normal levels, stopping cravings. Treatment is for 9 weeks. In clincial trials for cocaine/crystal meth, subjects that completed trials in '03 and '04 have stayed drug free. The subjects that dropped out of trials did not, obviously. GVG can be used as a maintainence drug if necessary, but don't know if that would be needed by some or not. If interested in being free of drug cravings, free of relapses, withdrawals, etc., and I would say in a pre-addictive state of being, with everyday thoughts of normal persons, reserach for yourself or loved ones on WWW.BNL.GOV. Search words GVG and Vigabatrin. This treatment is available now in Mexicali, Mexico, where Brookhaven National Laboratory ran the clincial trials. It's very inexpensive there, and patients stay in hotels and come to government clinic for GVG, drug screening, and counseling (9 wks.). FDA recently gave the go ahead for a U.S. clinical trial using GVG/Vigabatrin for cocaine addiction.
Laurie Posted: March 11, 2005, 6:04 PM
I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has taken GVG for any drug addiction: Cocaine, crystal meth, alcohol, MJ, heroin, tobacco, etc., in Mexico, Canada or England. It's been used in two successful clinical trials in Mexico for cocaine and crystal meth, and I would imagine there have been trials in Canada and England where word has spread about GVG's success. The treatment protocol is specific from the research by Brookhaven Lab. scientists. GVG is listed as a medication treatment for cocaine on this website. This is a 'great' website by the way, best one of it's type I've found.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 12:54 AM
To My Eyes Tell,
Thanks, I'm glad my explanation made some sense. Not written real clearly.
What's important to know is that it is a physical biochemical disease of brain, and there is increasing healing with time. Many are able to recover with 12 steps which is based on God, as wwGirl spoke about. I believe without God in one's life, what does anything matter? This life is quite temporary, eternal life is forever and we hope to spend it in God's presence. Many are not able to stop using and thank God for GVG treatment to stop the drug craving. I've been searching for a treatment for 11 years for addicted relatives (20 yrs. addicted, first cocaine, then crystal meth), have printed out and read thousands of pages on addictions and possible treatments, and and I truly believe that God has given all addicted people who need it, this GVG treatment, and other treatments are in the works. I think drug addiction is the devil's best accomplishment and especially crystal meth. If using cocaine, please don't ever think about crystal meth, it's even more deadly, making one angry 24-7, total personality disinegration, negative/depressive thoughts, not eating or sleeping, no focus to even watch TV, awful delusions. However, God has promised deliverance from addiction for my relatives. We sure do serve a Great and Mighty God, as my grandaughter says! WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 2:06 AM
Dear Cary,
No, I have not taken GVG/Vigabatrin. Have addicted relatives, and following scientific research for 11 years to learn about addictions and potential treatments that scientists have been hard at work researching on for many years. Have read thousands of addiction articles on what the scientists have learned, they are the experts. It was Brookhaven National Lab. that built the PET (positron Emission Tomography) machine to look closely at the addicted brain. Before this, they only had autopsies to see. With the PET, it helped scientists find the 'cause' of drug addiction, and this paved the way to explore treatments.
GVG, a drug used for epilepsy in over 60 countries for 20 years, is by far the most studied addiction treatment ever. It has been studied in animals since 1986 for addiction. The doctor who did the first human clinical trials as well as others are calling GVG a miracle and are excited. I've spoken to doctor. These brilliant and dedicated scientists/doctors deserve much credit for their many years of work and this success.
No, one cannot drink or take other drugs after treatment with GVG. This would cause brain dopamine to rise way above normal levels and cause addiction, again. With the cravings eliminated with GVG treatment, there is not a need to use. To me this is sounds like a cure, with the brain in it's pre-addictive state basically. I haven't read that they are calling it a cure, though.
People's brains are different, meaning their susceptibility to addiction varies greatly from zero to high. So this is genetic. So, while for some people like Hank Williams, the singer, the first alcohol drink will start a quickly progressive disease to death, others can drink a few cocktails everyday and never progress to using more, and some (like me) do not like what alcohol or tobacco feels like at all so don't use. A book I read explains how the oldest civilizations such as Asia, Middle East, have few alcoholics/addicts, while the newer civilizations such as Ireland, American Indians, have many alcoholica/addicts. Also it said that problem drinkers were not the same thing as the disease of alcoholism.
God gave us AA, and He also gave us treatments (GVG) for those who cannot stop using, to stop. God has a plan for us all and will deliver us all from our difficulties, through faith and prayer. P.S. In the GVG clinical trials, people who completed the trial said craving was eliminated in 2 to 3 weeks, and did not return. They re-established healthy family relationships, showed improved self esteem, went to work, or actively sought work. GVG information is on BNL.COM and on the NIDA website as well.
Laurie : GVG EXCELLENT TREATMENT Posted: March 13, 2005, 5:53 PM
To the Person who calls themselves "gvg no cure". If a person stops craving all drugs and does not use anymore, I'd call that a cure, maybe others would not. It's ok to doubt but but it's better to have full knowledge of a subject to have a good understanding, and that takes long study in science. In other posts on this website I stated I've studied GVG treatment for at least 11 years and addiction for even longer, I have thousands of printed articles and have read even more, on addictions and treatments, especially GVG--the only treatment that stops cravings so far. You don't want to put something down when it will actually save people's lives, and it already has (GVG).
You don't find all facts on a treatment in a single article usually. This is also true with GVG. The articles that say subjects stayed drug free while on GVG for so many weeks, and after trial was over for so many days, well that is a bit confusing..since I know for a fact that after the two clincial trials were completed in Mexicali by Brookhaven, most of the patients have not returned to use of any drugs to this very day. This information is not in the clinical trial information papers I have read. These clincial trials were completed in middle 2003 and middle 2004. I spoke to the doctor who conducted these clinical trials and GVG IS A MIRACLE !!
Yes it's true that GVG has not been approved by the FDA for any use, yet, but in January the go ahead was given by the FDA for clinical trials in the U.S.A. for drug addictions. The scientists have repeatedly and repeatedly stated that their RESEARCH FINDINGS, which I have FOLLOWED for years most intently, show clearly that GVG is for ALL DRUGS OF ABUSE. These include COCAINE, CRYSTAL METH/AMPHETAMINES, HEROIN, ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, MJ, INHALANTS, possibly ecstacy? Any drug that raises dopamine levels above normal. ALL DRUGS OF ABUSE RAISE DRAMATICALLY DOPAMINE, say the scientists. I think this means NON-prescribed and illegal drugs. I read that benzodiazapines do not raise dopamine, so could not be treated by GVG. The REASON that the FDA has given the go-ahead for clinical trials in the U.S. is that the AMOUNT OF GVG NEEDED TO STOP ANY ADDICTION IS FAR BELOW THE AMOUNT REQUIRED TO CAUSE LOST OF PERIPHERAL VISION. About 1/3 of epilepsy patients that took high doses of GVG for a long period of time developed some loss of peripheral vision (mostly males). Some scientists say this was permanent loss, and other scientists say it was a temporary loss that resolved off GVG.
This is here nor there with addiction treatment, since as scientists say, far far less is needed to treat any addiction, so no chance of vision problem. The people in clincial trials with GVG were given vision exams and no changes seen.
The general public will be hearing about GVG as soon as clinical trials are completed in the U.S. Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners of Coral Gables, Florida (which was recently founded for purpose of addiction treatment), was given an exclusive worldwide license from Brookhave Science Associates, for the use of GVG for it's application in treating drug addiction. Each clinical trial in U.S. will invlove one drug of abuse at a time I was told. If anyone wants to break free of their addictions, they can now go to Mexicali gov. clinic, in Mexico, where they are now treating various drug addictions. I've written about this Mexicali treatment in other posts. If anyone wants information just ask me. Or, can wait for the U.S. approval of GVG.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 6:20 PM
Dear 4-Eternitiy,
GVG/Vigabatrin is legal in Canada for epilepsy. I heard Canada was going to conduct a clinical trial for cocaine addiction, don't know status. To find out what is going on with GVG for addiction, you could call a government rehabilitation facility and also private rehab facilities. The U.S. is not going to approve GVG use for addiction treatment until U.S. clinical trials completed. I would love to hear if you find out anything.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 6:48 PM
Dear Tough Love,
GVG is a miracle treatment through a pill, and stops cravings for drugs of abuse. I know because I've followed scientific research for many years, intently.
With AA or stopping on one's own, and even with GVG, no one should be in 'denial' to think that like magic they can drink, smoke or use drugs again like some others can do and not become addicted quickly again. With GVG fortunately it's not one day at a time, and they aren't thinking about 'drugs', they are 'out' of denial. Addictive drugs of abuse: Alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, crystal meth, heroin, MJ, inhalants ALL raise dopamine levels way above normal and this CAUSES ADDICTION and CRAVING. Those that can drink little or moderately are not addicts, and alcohol is processed differently in their brains than in addicts brains. Addiction is a real biochemical disease of the brain, and while GVG is an excellent treatment to stop cravings, and may seem like a cure...a cure not to 'want' drugs again. It is not a cure to become like those who can use a little or moderately without becoming addicted again. Maybe someday gene therapy could make this happen.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 7:33 PM
Hi Eva,
I know all about the meth psychosis in a relative. I'm writing to tell you that there is at long last an excellent treatment by U.S. scientists who have worked hard for many years in large government labs to find the cause of addiction. They have found the cause of addiction and of cravings, it's a dramatic rise in brain dopamine by all drugs of abuse. They have found a long studied and excellent treatment called GVG or Vigabatrin. It eliminates cravings. I've studied scientific research on addiction and possible treatments for many years, and this treatment works. Please you or your parents learn about it on WWW.BNL.GOV. Also do searches on internet on this treatment drug. The clinical trials by Brookhaven Lab. in Mexicali were successful, and patients who completed trial did not use again...the trials were in 2003 and 2004. The FDA has given the go ahead in Jan. for clinical trials for addictions in the U.S. You will learn that GVG works for ALL drugs of abuse: Methamphetamine (which raises dopamine levels 2700 times above normal!!), cocaine (550 times), alcohol (140 times), heroin (170 times), and MJ, tobacco, inhalants. Talk to your brother about this while he is in right mind.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 7:52 PM
Dear Bob B.,
It's nice to have read your words of truth, words of substance and hope, the type of information I've been reading for years now. You may know about GVG for drug addictions. If interested, I'm told by the source that it is a miracle. The people who completed the clinical trials by Brookhaven National Laboratory in Mexicali did not go back to using drugs, their cravings still gone. The trials were in 2003 for cocaine and in 2004 for cocaine/crystal meth. If it can eliminate cravings with these drugs where dopamine rises 550 and 2700 times above normal, it will work for any drug, and it is for all drugs of abuse. In January, the FDA gave approval for GVG trials for addictions in the U.S. Nora Volkow, now president of NIDA worked at Brookhaven in GVG research along with Stephen Dewey and Jonathon Brodie.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 8:20 PM
I've yet to find anyone here talking about the new treatment, GVG. Read only one poster asking about addiction medications. We are in a new age with addiction treatment. Scientists have worked long and hard to find the cause of addiction, which they have. It's the dramatic rise of brain dopamine above normal levels. This rise in dopamine is what causes cravings. Now, GVG which is by far the most studied addiction treatment ever (studied since 1986 by Brookhaven National Lab.), has gone through 2 successful human clinical trials for cocaine and crystal meth. GVG is for ALL drugs of abuse: Alcohol, tobacco, MJ, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines, inhalants---they all raise dopamine way above normal levels.
The patients who 'completed' the trials in 2003 and 2004 stayed free of drugs, and GVG is being called a miracle.
The trials by Brookhaven were in Mexicali, where GVG is legal. Anyone can go to Mexicali now and get GVG treatment. The FDA, in January approved GVG for addiction clinical trials in the U.S. People will be hearing of GVG also called Vigabatrin when the U.S. trials are completed. It's not going to be 'one day at a time' forever. To learn more, search words GVG/Vigabatrin, WWW.BNL.GOV, and the NIDA.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 8:55 PM
Sorry, forgot to say that GVG treatment works because it lowers brain dopamine to normal levels, and after treatment is over levels stay normal, and cravings are gone, unless one decides to use drugs again, then the whole addiction process would start over again.
To the Person who calls themselves "gvg no cure". If a person stops craving all drugs and does not use anymore, I'd call that a cure, maybe others would not. It's ok to doubt but but it's better to have full knowledge of a subject to have a good understanding, and that takes long study in science. In other posts on this website I stated I've studied GVG treatment for at least 11 years and addiction for even longer, I have thousands of printed articles and have read even more, on addictions and treatments, especially GVG--the only treatment that stops cravings so far. You don't want to put something down when it will actually save people's lives, and it already has (GVG).
You don't find all facts on a treatment in a single article usually. This is also true with GVG. The articles that say subjects stayed drug free while on GVG for so many weeks, and after trial was over for so many days, well that is a bit confusing..since I know for a fact that after the two clincial trials were completed in Mexicali by Brookhaven, most of the patients have not returned to use of any drugs to this very day. This information is not in the clinical trial information papers I have read. These clincial trials were completed in middle 2003 and middle 2004. I spoke to the doctor who conducted these clinical trials and GVG IS A MIRACLE !!
Yes it's true that GVG has not been approved by the FDA for any use, yet, but in January the go ahead was given by the FDA for clinical trials in the U.S.A. for drug addictions. The scientists have repeatedly and repeatedly stated that their RESEARCH FINDINGS, which I have FOLLOWED for years most intently, show clearly that GVG is for ALL DRUGS OF ABUSE. These include COCAINE, CRYSTAL METH/AMPHETAMINES, HEROIN, ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, MJ, INHALANTS, possibly ecstacy? Any drug that raises dopamine levels above normal. ALL DRUGS OF ABUSE RAISE DRAMATICALLY DOPAMINE, say the scientists. I think this means NON-prescribed and illegal drugs. I read that benzodiazapines do not raise dopamine, so could not be treated by GVG. The REASON that the FDA has given the go-ahead for clinical trials in the U.S. is that the AMOUNT OF GVG NEEDED TO STOP ANY ADDICTION IS FAR BELOW THE AMOUNT REQUIRED TO CAUSE LOST OF PERIPHERAL VISION. About 1/3 of epilepsy patients that took high doses of GVG for a long period of time developed some loss of peripheral vision (mostly males). Some scientists say this was permanent loss, and other scientists say it was a temporary loss that resolved off GVG.
This is here nor there with addiction treatment, since as scientists say, far far less is needed to treat any addiction, so no chance of vision problem. The people in clincial trials with GVG were given vision exams and no changes seen.
The general public will be hearing about GVG as soon as clinical trials are completed in the U.S. Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners of Coral Gables, Florida (which was recently founded for purpose of addiction treatment), was given an exclusive worldwide license from Brookhave Science Associates, for the use of GVG for it's application in treating drug addiction. Each clinical trial in U.S. will invlove one drug of abuse at a time I was told. If anyone wants to break free of their addictions, they can now go to Mexicali gov. clinic, in Mexico, where they are now treating various drug addictions. I've written about this Mexicali treatment in other posts. If anyone wants information just ask me. Or, can wait for the U.S. approval of GVG.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 6:20 PM
Dear 4-Eternitiy,
GVG/Vigabatrin is legal in Canada for epilepsy. I heard Canada was going to conduct a clinical trial for cocaine addiction, don't know status. To find out what is going on with GVG for addiction, you could call a government rehabilitation facility and also private rehab facilities. The U.S. is not going to approve GVG use for addiction treatment until U.S. clinical trials completed. I would love to hear if you find out anything.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 6:48 PM
Dear Tough Love,
GVG is a miracle treatment through a pill, and stops cravings for drugs of abuse. I know because I've followed scientific research for many years, intently.
With AA or stopping on one's own, and even with GVG, no one should be in 'denial' to think that like magic they can drink, smoke or use drugs again like some others can do and not become addicted quickly again. With GVG fortunately it's not one day at a time, and they aren't thinking about 'drugs', they are 'out' of denial. Addictive drugs of abuse: Alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, crystal meth, heroin, MJ, inhalants ALL raise dopamine levels way above normal and this CAUSES ADDICTION and CRAVING. Those that can drink little or moderately are not addicts, and alcohol is processed differently in their brains than in addicts brains. Addiction is a real biochemical disease of the brain, and while GVG is an excellent treatment to stop cravings, and may seem like a cure...a cure not to 'want' drugs again. It is not a cure to become like those who can use a little or moderately without becoming addicted again. Maybe someday gene therapy could make this happen.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 7:33 PM
Hi Eva,
I know all about the meth psychosis in a relative. I'm writing to tell you that there is at long last an excellent treatment by U.S. scientists who have worked hard for many years in large government labs to find the cause of addiction. They have found the cause of addiction and of cravings, it's a dramatic rise in brain dopamine by all drugs of abuse. They have found a long studied and excellent treatment called GVG or Vigabatrin. It eliminates cravings. I've studied scientific research on addiction and possible treatments for many years, and this treatment works. Please you or your parents learn about it on WWW.BNL.GOV. Also do searches on internet on this treatment drug. The clinical trials by Brookhaven Lab. in Mexicali were successful, and patients who completed trial did not use again...the trials were in 2003 and 2004. The FDA has given the go ahead in Jan. for clinical trials for addictions in the U.S. You will learn that GVG works for ALL drugs of abuse: Methamphetamine (which raises dopamine levels 2700 times above normal!!), cocaine (550 times), alcohol (140 times), heroin (170 times), and MJ, tobacco, inhalants. Talk to your brother about this while he is in right mind.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 7:52 PM
Dear Bob B.,
It's nice to have read your words of truth, words of substance and hope, the type of information I've been reading for years now. You may know about GVG for drug addictions. If interested, I'm told by the source that it is a miracle. The people who completed the clinical trials by Brookhaven National Laboratory in Mexicali did not go back to using drugs, their cravings still gone. The trials were in 2003 for cocaine and in 2004 for cocaine/crystal meth. If it can eliminate cravings with these drugs where dopamine rises 550 and 2700 times above normal, it will work for any drug, and it is for all drugs of abuse. In January, the FDA gave approval for GVG trials for addictions in the U.S. Nora Volkow, now president of NIDA worked at Brookhaven in GVG research along with Stephen Dewey and Jonathon Brodie.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 8:20 PM
I've yet to find anyone here talking about the new treatment, GVG. Read only one poster asking about addiction medications. We are in a new age with addiction treatment. Scientists have worked long and hard to find the cause of addiction, which they have. It's the dramatic rise of brain dopamine above normal levels. This rise in dopamine is what causes cravings. Now, GVG which is by far the most studied addiction treatment ever (studied since 1986 by Brookhaven National Lab.), has gone through 2 successful human clinical trials for cocaine and crystal meth. GVG is for ALL drugs of abuse: Alcohol, tobacco, MJ, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines, inhalants---they all raise dopamine way above normal levels.
The patients who 'completed' the trials in 2003 and 2004 stayed free of drugs, and GVG is being called a miracle.
The trials by Brookhaven were in Mexicali, where GVG is legal. Anyone can go to Mexicali now and get GVG treatment. The FDA, in January approved GVG for addiction clinical trials in the U.S. People will be hearing of GVG also called Vigabatrin when the U.S. trials are completed. It's not going to be 'one day at a time' forever. To learn more, search words GVG/Vigabatrin, WWW.BNL.GOV, and the NIDA.
Laurie Posted: March 13, 2005, 8:55 PM
Sorry, forgot to say that GVG treatment works because it lowers brain dopamine to normal levels, and after treatment is over levels stay normal, and cravings are gone, unless one decides to use drugs again, then the whole addiction process would start over again.
Laurie Posted: March 14, 2005, 4:30 PM
Dear CYNICAL ONE,
Cynical and maybe close minded? I can see why anyone would be cynical with the state addiction and treatment is in. What is available out there, just AA and it can work, but still difficult at best, a one day at a time for life, but I'm not knocking it's help for people. Many crystal meth users cannot go to NA, they are in delusional states/meth madness, cannot focus to sit and listen at all. Are you willing to research enough to find all the facts on GVG, other treatments? Some do and some don't and some cannot, and that's quite ok.
GVG was not approved in the U.S. because about 1/3 of the people who used it for epilepsy-treatment got some loss of pheripheral vision. GVG's been used mostly on babies and children for epilepsy by the way. Most eye problems seemed to resolve once they stopped using GVG, say some scientists, but are still debating if this is so. So, this vision side effect was a problem in getting GVG approved in the U.S. for clinical trials for addiction.
NOW, The very reason the FDA HAS (in January) APPROVED GVG FOR CLINICAL TRIALS FOR ADDICTIONS IN THE U.S., is because scientists found that the amount to treat addictions is far far FAR LESS that the amount required to cause any vision problems. Scientists have known for years that it takes very high doses of GVG for long periods of time to produce any vision problems, 1500 grams or more. I am not part of any scientific team (though I wish I were), and have no monetary interest either, to answer your questions. I have relatives long on addictive drugs and it's heartbreaking. So, I have been studying what the scientists have learned for 11 years now, read and printed out "thousands" of pages of information on drugs/dangers and the only so called help was 'rehabs'. I got sooo Sick of reading the same old doom and gloom about drugs: The statistics, how drugs are used, how they're made, dangers, damage they do, every aspect of the ugly drug world, but no REAL help!
So I went straight to what the scientists had to say about drug addiction; are they not the experts? Found addiction is a true neuro and biochemical brain disease, learned about the addicted brain and what causes addiction and cravings, and that they were working on potential 'real' treatments, in other words HOPE AT LAST. I then realized that rehabs were doing little to nothing to help most addicts by the statistics (unless they were newer addicts or were not full blown addicts), and found it's widely know that most addicts go back to using after rehabs, just as my relatives did. I've always been in the medical field and had the interest so it was relatively easy for me to read and learn the scientific research on addiction and treatments. When I read about GVG rats not coming back to the cage areas of cocaine, it seemed a miracle for humans. In 2003 and 2004 most of both groups of human clinical trial patients that 'completed' GVG trial did not go back to using drugs. In most rehabs now, they teach their clients that addiction is a disease of the dopamine system, etc. People are going to start hearing about GVG in the U.S., as soon as the upcoming clinical trial is completed here..that will set the ball rolling on GVG. Maybe Cynical, you will want to change your name to a positive one soon, as there is much hope now.
Laurie Posted: March 14, 2005, 5:37 PM
Drugs of abuse raise the brain's dopamine way way above normal levels;
Alcohol raises brain dopamine 140 times above normal levels. Cocaine raises brain dopamine 550 times above normal levels. Crystal Meth raises brain dopamine 2700 times above normal levels. This rise in brain dopamine is what causes addiction and it's craving.
GVG treatment LOWERS brain dopamine levels to 'normal levels', and this it what eliminates drug cravings, stopping the cycle of addiction.
Laurie Posted: March 14, 2005, 5:45 PM
Yes, to eradicate a disease it's usuallly called a cure. This is why I call GVG a cure, though the scientists have said it's a treatment. They are calling it a miracle though. The treatment with GVG protocol is 9 weeks. In clinical human trials the addicts were hard core, used every day for average of 12 years, and 15 years. After 2 to 3 weeks, these addicts said their cravings were eliminated, gone. The addicts who completed the trial, most are drug free still because their cravings did not return. GVG is a very unique treatment drug, stops addiction behaviors in 5 ways. It's worth studying. If the subjects start using any drugs again, their dopamine will rise again, and the addiction cycle will start all over again.
Laruie Posted: March 14, 2005, 6:03 PM
Dear Tough Love,
The question you ask, basically did the subjects in trial stay off drugs after the trial is what drove me nuts trying to find out. I read many articles, they had more or less information on the two clincial trials. The articles say that addicts were able to stay off all drugs for 4 weeks of the study, or 60 days of the study, and so on. It makes you think they went back on drugs again. I found out that what scientists are reporting is clincial trial data, accurate data and facts, not what happens after treatment down the road. I have one article here I quote "crucially, the people who stopped using their street drugs reported that their craving did not return once they ceased taking GVG." I actuallly called the clinical trial clinic and spoke to the doctor who ran the trials and was told GVG is really a miracle. So, yes these reports are incomplete and confusing as to if the addicts were still free of drugs after treatment was over.
Laurie Posted: March 16, 2005, 2:10 AM
Silent Partner,
You stated, "A cure eradicates the disease. A treatment manages the disease. If someone stops taking GVG the cravings return. Treatment yes, cure no." What I was trying to say is that the cravings do not return after a several week treatment with GVG, so then maybe the addiction is cured.
The genetic vulnerability was always there and still is, but the addiction is stopped because the cravings are eliminated for good. Would one call this a cure? They are calling it a miracle and a major breakthough. Treatments for say diabetes and arthritis are often managed since they are chronic diseases. But when an actue disease such as pneumonia is treated and eliminated, it is cured. The scientists know the answer to this of course, not me.
Dear CYNICAL ONE,
Cynical and maybe close minded? I can see why anyone would be cynical with the state addiction and treatment is in. What is available out there, just AA and it can work, but still difficult at best, a one day at a time for life, but I'm not knocking it's help for people. Many crystal meth users cannot go to NA, they are in delusional states/meth madness, cannot focus to sit and listen at all. Are you willing to research enough to find all the facts on GVG, other treatments? Some do and some don't and some cannot, and that's quite ok.
GVG was not approved in the U.S. because about 1/3 of the people who used it for epilepsy-treatment got some loss of pheripheral vision. GVG's been used mostly on babies and children for epilepsy by the way. Most eye problems seemed to resolve once they stopped using GVG, say some scientists, but are still debating if this is so. So, this vision side effect was a problem in getting GVG approved in the U.S. for clinical trials for addiction.
NOW, The very reason the FDA HAS (in January) APPROVED GVG FOR CLINICAL TRIALS FOR ADDICTIONS IN THE U.S., is because scientists found that the amount to treat addictions is far far FAR LESS that the amount required to cause any vision problems. Scientists have known for years that it takes very high doses of GVG for long periods of time to produce any vision problems, 1500 grams or more. I am not part of any scientific team (though I wish I were), and have no monetary interest either, to answer your questions. I have relatives long on addictive drugs and it's heartbreaking. So, I have been studying what the scientists have learned for 11 years now, read and printed out "thousands" of pages of information on drugs/dangers and the only so called help was 'rehabs'. I got sooo Sick of reading the same old doom and gloom about drugs: The statistics, how drugs are used, how they're made, dangers, damage they do, every aspect of the ugly drug world, but no REAL help!
So I went straight to what the scientists had to say about drug addiction; are they not the experts? Found addiction is a true neuro and biochemical brain disease, learned about the addicted brain and what causes addiction and cravings, and that they were working on potential 'real' treatments, in other words HOPE AT LAST. I then realized that rehabs were doing little to nothing to help most addicts by the statistics (unless they were newer addicts or were not full blown addicts), and found it's widely know that most addicts go back to using after rehabs, just as my relatives did. I've always been in the medical field and had the interest so it was relatively easy for me to read and learn the scientific research on addiction and treatments. When I read about GVG rats not coming back to the cage areas of cocaine, it seemed a miracle for humans. In 2003 and 2004 most of both groups of human clinical trial patients that 'completed' GVG trial did not go back to using drugs. In most rehabs now, they teach their clients that addiction is a disease of the dopamine system, etc. People are going to start hearing about GVG in the U.S., as soon as the upcoming clinical trial is completed here..that will set the ball rolling on GVG. Maybe Cynical, you will want to change your name to a positive one soon, as there is much hope now.
Laurie Posted: March 14, 2005, 5:37 PM
Drugs of abuse raise the brain's dopamine way way above normal levels;
Alcohol raises brain dopamine 140 times above normal levels. Cocaine raises brain dopamine 550 times above normal levels. Crystal Meth raises brain dopamine 2700 times above normal levels. This rise in brain dopamine is what causes addiction and it's craving.
GVG treatment LOWERS brain dopamine levels to 'normal levels', and this it what eliminates drug cravings, stopping the cycle of addiction.
Laurie Posted: March 14, 2005, 5:45 PM
Yes, to eradicate a disease it's usuallly called a cure. This is why I call GVG a cure, though the scientists have said it's a treatment. They are calling it a miracle though. The treatment with GVG protocol is 9 weeks. In clinical human trials the addicts were hard core, used every day for average of 12 years, and 15 years. After 2 to 3 weeks, these addicts said their cravings were eliminated, gone. The addicts who completed the trial, most are drug free still because their cravings did not return. GVG is a very unique treatment drug, stops addiction behaviors in 5 ways. It's worth studying. If the subjects start using any drugs again, their dopamine will rise again, and the addiction cycle will start all over again.
Laruie Posted: March 14, 2005, 6:03 PM
Dear Tough Love,
The question you ask, basically did the subjects in trial stay off drugs after the trial is what drove me nuts trying to find out. I read many articles, they had more or less information on the two clincial trials. The articles say that addicts were able to stay off all drugs for 4 weeks of the study, or 60 days of the study, and so on. It makes you think they went back on drugs again. I found out that what scientists are reporting is clincial trial data, accurate data and facts, not what happens after treatment down the road. I have one article here I quote "crucially, the people who stopped using their street drugs reported that their craving did not return once they ceased taking GVG." I actuallly called the clinical trial clinic and spoke to the doctor who ran the trials and was told GVG is really a miracle. So, yes these reports are incomplete and confusing as to if the addicts were still free of drugs after treatment was over.
Laurie Posted: March 16, 2005, 2:10 AM
Silent Partner,
You stated, "A cure eradicates the disease. A treatment manages the disease. If someone stops taking GVG the cravings return. Treatment yes, cure no." What I was trying to say is that the cravings do not return after a several week treatment with GVG, so then maybe the addiction is cured.
The genetic vulnerability was always there and still is, but the addiction is stopped because the cravings are eliminated for good. Would one call this a cure? They are calling it a miracle and a major breakthough. Treatments for say diabetes and arthritis are often managed since they are chronic diseases. But when an actue disease such as pneumonia is treated and eliminated, it is cured. The scientists know the answer to this of course, not me.
Laurie --To Silent Partner, and Posted: March 16, 2005, 4:08 AM
To Silent Partner and Art,
Most articles on GVG state how many weeks/days addicts were on GVG treatment, but didn't say if addicts stayed drug free after treatment was over and are confusing in that way. I thought craving did not come back from reading that the rats did not come back to their cocaine. Some articles did give clues what happened after human treatment. One article said "addicts that completed treatment have been drug free for 74 days and counting." Another said "Crucially, the people who stoped using the street drug reported that their craving did not return once they ceased taking GVG." One of two head scientists on GVG research, Dr. Jonathon Brodie, said that "while GVG could be used as maintenance drug for years, we aren't proposing the GVG be given to addicts indefinitely, clinical experience suggests that if you can break the cycle of addiction, then you have the opportunity of giving people back their lives." Also, I phoned the clinical trial clinic and was told "GVG is really a miracle." That it worked for addiction. It appears cravings don't come back, therefore the dopamine does not rise high again, as it does with street drugs. That phone call was a good 8 months after clinical trial was over and the people that completed the trial were still clean. That's why scientists involved say in articles that they are thrilled beyond dreams. I've never read this type of enthusiasm in all the years I've followed addiction studies. Scientists say this or that drug is a potential treatment, and if things look good they say it's a promising treatment.
When articles were published stating "GVG stops cue craving", I wasn't sure exactly the great meaning of it all. I know now this is crucial to stopping addiction. Enviromental cue cravings are all the mental cues/thoughts one gets, like seeing drug friends, hearing ice tinkle in a glass, seeing money, etc., can be anything, and dopamine rises 25% with these cues causing intense cravings when one is in recovery and NO drugs are in the body. So cue cravings cause relapse, but GVG elimates this. Cue cravings are caused by increased brain nerve hormone (which raises dopamine) to mature juvenile brain nerve cells hatched daily to try and replace all the dead nerve/neurons from drugs.
Long term research HAS been done. Scientists Quotes: "After more than 20 years, it appears that GVG is nearing the final hurdles to winning FDA approval for use in treating cocaine addiction, detailed below is this long journey... In the 80's Dr. Stephen Dewey of Brookhaven National Laboratory, New York, and Dr. Jonathon Brodie of New York University School of Medicine in New York, were seeking new treatments for schizophrenia..." and it goes on to speak of "looking interactions between neurotrasmitter systems, instead of independently. Studies continued over years and preliminary research showed GVG modulates GABA, which in turn reduces dopamine levels, then the scientists launched a long series of experiments testing GVG's potential as a treatment medication for addiction." "Two decades and 15 publications later, we knew that GVG can safely block the biochemical effects of addictive drugs--nicotine, morphone, methatmphetamine, amphetamine, ecstasy and alcohol, etc., including the increased brain dopamine levels they trigger." " This medication can also block the behavioral fallout from dopamine surges: drug self administration, changes in brain-stimulationreward threshold, relapse resulting from addiction induced cues, and drug sensitization." With evidence of GVG's ability to block the addictive effects of all psychostimulants, the researchers focused their research on its potential as a pharmaceutical therapy for cocaine addiction."
Silent Partner: If you (or anyone) want the clinical-trial clinic phone number please let me know, I am phoning this clinic again tomorrow for information on GVG treatment.
Laurie Posted: March 16, 2005, 9:46 PM
Dear Molly,
I sure hope your husband is persevering in his recovery. It's good to know that if he or anyone needs more help, GVG is a very effective drug to stop the addiction cycle. I've posts on the cocaine and methamphetamine boards here also, if you want to read them. I'd advise everyone to learn for themselves by typing in search words GVG and Vigabatrin, going to BNL.GOV (Brookhaven's website), and the NIDA. Yes, valium is very addictive, the newer benzodiazepam group of meds are a bit less so, but they are very habit forming, especially lorazepam (Restoril). By the way, benzodiazepam group does not raise brain dopamine, so GVG would not work for them. I'm not sure about valium. Glad to hear you are going natural! The GABA and DA (Dopamine) systems are interesting. GVG actually raises level of GABA in order to lower the dopamine levels caused by drugs of abuse. The high levels of dopamine actually cause addiction and cause cravings. When GABA is low, Dopamine is high, as in most drug addictions.
I have studied the science of addiction for countless hours over several years in order to help my addicted relatives. So, the more you read what the scientists have to say, the experts, the more you do learn, but it takes time for most people to understand a lot of these facts/findings, including me, it's complicated. BEST WISHES to you Mollly, and your husband. God makes a way for those who ask, and GVG is certainly one miracle come true.
Laurie Posted: March 16, 2005, 10:01 PM
Cynical One,
You are mixing up what I said with what Silent Partner said. I did not say if you stop taking GVG the cravings return, Silent Partner said this and I was quoting him. Gvg is not taken for life. Whether called a cure or a treatment, and 'treatment' is what is is being published as, GVG stops the cycle of addiction.
If you want to know any more, research for yourself on BNL.GOV or NIDA or type in search words to study GVG. It takes many articles of reading, and I've got thousands in a big box, to know enough about GVG research and treatment to make an informed decision about it. Knowledge is what brings informed decisions. Best wishes and success to you.
Laurie Posted: March 23, 2005, 3:34 PM
Dear News Reporter,
I have studied drug addiction for many years, what scientists have learned about the addicted brain. The dangers of Meth have been published for so many years now, that I've printed out at least 1000 pages, totally depressing, and all the while looking for real concrete "hope" for Meth addiction. I'm a relative of Meth users.
Finally, I found real hope. It's out of Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York. WWW.BNL.GOV. Scientists there found the cause of addiction years ago with help from the Positron Emission Tomography machine. Once they knew the cause of addiction and cravings, which is high levels of brain dopamine from drugs of abuse, they discovered and used an epilepspy medication, GVG (legal in over 60 countries for over 20 years, but not in U.S.), that stopped addiction and cravings in rats. If you know all about GVG, sorry please disregard message. Now, after a long road of 20 year study and red tape, there have been two successful human clinical trials for cocaine and methamphetamine in Mexicali, Mexico, by Brookhaven. Also, the loss of peripheral vision that 1/3 of epilepsy patients get from GVG, is not a problem in treating addictions, since far less is needed to stop addictions. Very high doses for long periods of time are needed to cause the vision problem. Therefore, the FDA approved in January the go ahead for clinical trials in the U.S. Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners in Coral Gables, Florida was given a world wide license from Brookhaven in treating drug addictions with GVG (Vigabatrin). In clincial trials in 2003 and 2004, patients who 'completed' the 9 week treatment, most did not return to any drugs. The scientists and doctor are thrilled at results, one telling me it is a miracle. GVG stops addiction in 5 ways, and even stops the cue cravings that cause relapse in recovery, and recovery is very long w/ meth. addiction. In monkeys it is 3-4 years. But that recovery is not really complete. Ex-stimulant-addicts, especially with meth, stress out easily for many years into recovery, and maybe forever, depending on how much used and how long addiction was. GVG is the first medication ever for Meth cravings, and it is for ALL drugs of abuse: Nicotine, alcohol, cocaine, Methamphetamine, heroin, inhalants, MJ; all drugs that raise dopamine in brain. The articles are confusing as to if the subjects went back to drug abuse 'after' treatment with GVG. As above, the ones who completed the trial, most did not. I have the phone number for the clinical trial-clinic in Mexicali if you want it.
***I would like to suggest that instead of just reporting on the dangers of Meth, also report on this long time coming, real treatment for Meth and all drugs of abuse, GVG/Vigabatrin.*** Thanks so much for reading. Laurie
Laurie/To Tough Love Posted: March 23, 2005, 3:51 PM
Dear Tough Love,
I don't know if any of the people successfully treated with GVG are going to 12 step programs in Mexicali. As you mentioned, I do hope they are living like they used to 'before' using drugs of abuse, and at that doing 'good' in this world. It is a giant accomplishment to go from addiction to pre-addiction where you are not even thinking about using drugs, anymore.
To Silent Partner and Art,
Most articles on GVG state how many weeks/days addicts were on GVG treatment, but didn't say if addicts stayed drug free after treatment was over and are confusing in that way. I thought craving did not come back from reading that the rats did not come back to their cocaine. Some articles did give clues what happened after human treatment. One article said "addicts that completed treatment have been drug free for 74 days and counting." Another said "Crucially, the people who stoped using the street drug reported that their craving did not return once they ceased taking GVG." One of two head scientists on GVG research, Dr. Jonathon Brodie, said that "while GVG could be used as maintenance drug for years, we aren't proposing the GVG be given to addicts indefinitely, clinical experience suggests that if you can break the cycle of addiction, then you have the opportunity of giving people back their lives." Also, I phoned the clinical trial clinic and was told "GVG is really a miracle." That it worked for addiction. It appears cravings don't come back, therefore the dopamine does not rise high again, as it does with street drugs. That phone call was a good 8 months after clinical trial was over and the people that completed the trial were still clean. That's why scientists involved say in articles that they are thrilled beyond dreams. I've never read this type of enthusiasm in all the years I've followed addiction studies. Scientists say this or that drug is a potential treatment, and if things look good they say it's a promising treatment.
When articles were published stating "GVG stops cue craving", I wasn't sure exactly the great meaning of it all. I know now this is crucial to stopping addiction. Enviromental cue cravings are all the mental cues/thoughts one gets, like seeing drug friends, hearing ice tinkle in a glass, seeing money, etc., can be anything, and dopamine rises 25% with these cues causing intense cravings when one is in recovery and NO drugs are in the body. So cue cravings cause relapse, but GVG elimates this. Cue cravings are caused by increased brain nerve hormone (which raises dopamine) to mature juvenile brain nerve cells hatched daily to try and replace all the dead nerve/neurons from drugs.
Long term research HAS been done. Scientists Quotes: "After more than 20 years, it appears that GVG is nearing the final hurdles to winning FDA approval for use in treating cocaine addiction, detailed below is this long journey... In the 80's Dr. Stephen Dewey of Brookhaven National Laboratory, New York, and Dr. Jonathon Brodie of New York University School of Medicine in New York, were seeking new treatments for schizophrenia..." and it goes on to speak of "looking interactions between neurotrasmitter systems, instead of independently. Studies continued over years and preliminary research showed GVG modulates GABA, which in turn reduces dopamine levels, then the scientists launched a long series of experiments testing GVG's potential as a treatment medication for addiction." "Two decades and 15 publications later, we knew that GVG can safely block the biochemical effects of addictive drugs--nicotine, morphone, methatmphetamine, amphetamine, ecstasy and alcohol, etc., including the increased brain dopamine levels they trigger." " This medication can also block the behavioral fallout from dopamine surges: drug self administration, changes in brain-stimulationreward threshold, relapse resulting from addiction induced cues, and drug sensitization." With evidence of GVG's ability to block the addictive effects of all psychostimulants, the researchers focused their research on its potential as a pharmaceutical therapy for cocaine addiction."
Silent Partner: If you (or anyone) want the clinical-trial clinic phone number please let me know, I am phoning this clinic again tomorrow for information on GVG treatment.
Laurie Posted: March 16, 2005, 9:46 PM
Dear Molly,
I sure hope your husband is persevering in his recovery. It's good to know that if he or anyone needs more help, GVG is a very effective drug to stop the addiction cycle. I've posts on the cocaine and methamphetamine boards here also, if you want to read them. I'd advise everyone to learn for themselves by typing in search words GVG and Vigabatrin, going to BNL.GOV (Brookhaven's website), and the NIDA. Yes, valium is very addictive, the newer benzodiazepam group of meds are a bit less so, but they are very habit forming, especially lorazepam (Restoril). By the way, benzodiazepam group does not raise brain dopamine, so GVG would not work for them. I'm not sure about valium. Glad to hear you are going natural! The GABA and DA (Dopamine) systems are interesting. GVG actually raises level of GABA in order to lower the dopamine levels caused by drugs of abuse. The high levels of dopamine actually cause addiction and cause cravings. When GABA is low, Dopamine is high, as in most drug addictions.
I have studied the science of addiction for countless hours over several years in order to help my addicted relatives. So, the more you read what the scientists have to say, the experts, the more you do learn, but it takes time for most people to understand a lot of these facts/findings, including me, it's complicated. BEST WISHES to you Mollly, and your husband. God makes a way for those who ask, and GVG is certainly one miracle come true.
Laurie Posted: March 16, 2005, 10:01 PM
Cynical One,
You are mixing up what I said with what Silent Partner said. I did not say if you stop taking GVG the cravings return, Silent Partner said this and I was quoting him. Gvg is not taken for life. Whether called a cure or a treatment, and 'treatment' is what is is being published as, GVG stops the cycle of addiction.
If you want to know any more, research for yourself on BNL.GOV or NIDA or type in search words to study GVG. It takes many articles of reading, and I've got thousands in a big box, to know enough about GVG research and treatment to make an informed decision about it. Knowledge is what brings informed decisions. Best wishes and success to you.
Laurie Posted: March 23, 2005, 3:34 PM
Dear News Reporter,
I have studied drug addiction for many years, what scientists have learned about the addicted brain. The dangers of Meth have been published for so many years now, that I've printed out at least 1000 pages, totally depressing, and all the while looking for real concrete "hope" for Meth addiction. I'm a relative of Meth users.
Finally, I found real hope. It's out of Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York. WWW.BNL.GOV. Scientists there found the cause of addiction years ago with help from the Positron Emission Tomography machine. Once they knew the cause of addiction and cravings, which is high levels of brain dopamine from drugs of abuse, they discovered and used an epilepspy medication, GVG (legal in over 60 countries for over 20 years, but not in U.S.), that stopped addiction and cravings in rats. If you know all about GVG, sorry please disregard message. Now, after a long road of 20 year study and red tape, there have been two successful human clinical trials for cocaine and methamphetamine in Mexicali, Mexico, by Brookhaven. Also, the loss of peripheral vision that 1/3 of epilepsy patients get from GVG, is not a problem in treating addictions, since far less is needed to stop addictions. Very high doses for long periods of time are needed to cause the vision problem. Therefore, the FDA approved in January the go ahead for clinical trials in the U.S. Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners in Coral Gables, Florida was given a world wide license from Brookhaven in treating drug addictions with GVG (Vigabatrin). In clincial trials in 2003 and 2004, patients who 'completed' the 9 week treatment, most did not return to any drugs. The scientists and doctor are thrilled at results, one telling me it is a miracle. GVG stops addiction in 5 ways, and even stops the cue cravings that cause relapse in recovery, and recovery is very long w/ meth. addiction. In monkeys it is 3-4 years. But that recovery is not really complete. Ex-stimulant-addicts, especially with meth, stress out easily for many years into recovery, and maybe forever, depending on how much used and how long addiction was. GVG is the first medication ever for Meth cravings, and it is for ALL drugs of abuse: Nicotine, alcohol, cocaine, Methamphetamine, heroin, inhalants, MJ; all drugs that raise dopamine in brain. The articles are confusing as to if the subjects went back to drug abuse 'after' treatment with GVG. As above, the ones who completed the trial, most did not. I have the phone number for the clinical trial-clinic in Mexicali if you want it.
***I would like to suggest that instead of just reporting on the dangers of Meth, also report on this long time coming, real treatment for Meth and all drugs of abuse, GVG/Vigabatrin.*** Thanks so much for reading. Laurie
Laurie/To Tough Love Posted: March 23, 2005, 3:51 PM
Dear Tough Love,
I don't know if any of the people successfully treated with GVG are going to 12 step programs in Mexicali. As you mentioned, I do hope they are living like they used to 'before' using drugs of abuse, and at that doing 'good' in this world. It is a giant accomplishment to go from addiction to pre-addiction where you are not even thinking about using drugs, anymore.
Laurie Posted: March 27, 2005, 1:14 AM
I hadn't read that GVG would take another 5 years to approve in U.S., already been studied for 20 years, wouldn't surprise me though. Simply as I can say, GVG brings brain dopamine levels down to 'normal' levels. Then, levels stay normal. Drugs of abuse dramatically raise dopamine levels, and this is what causes both addiction and craving. Addiction is biochemical disease of the brain. There is all kinds of damage in addiction to the brain and body, but the chemical, dopamine, is the key in addiction. The AMA stated decades ago around the start of AA that drug addiction is a disease, and now there is proof God knows, but God wants all to be drug free. He put bad into the world so that man might choose good. This world is about good versus evil, and the choice is goodness/love. I strongly believe that God put GVG into the world to free people of addiction, wasted lives, and death.
AA has proved itself to be a miracle for many people. AA is really based on God. The only thing I don't like about AA is the term "higher power". This means God and He should have the credit. For those who have success with GVG, life is still about God, not us. We are here for a reason and for a short time, and we had better get it right. Don't waste our precious time on things not of God, too much material pleasures, etc., they won't fill the empty hole, only God will. I think it makes sense that our maker would want a personal relationship with us. This life is real, it's not a dress rehersal.
Laurie Posted: April 9, 2005, 11:44 PM
Could you please answer three simple questions, it all comes down to these:
1. Do you want to stop using meth? Yes. Maybe. No.
2. Do you want to stop needing or wanting meth? Yes. Maybe. No.
3. Do you want or are you willing to die from meth? Yes. Maybe. No.
Meth causes negative emotions/moods. No person should ever make a decision based on feelings, even the Bible states so. Decisions are to be based on good sound judgement. So don't let this ugliest of poison decide for you.
IF you answered YES or MAYBE to questions #1 or #2, you would be ready for a new treatment. Hopefully you answered NO to question #3, so you have hope. This new treatment is called GVG. Remember the name. It really works to stop the cravings and behavioral fallout from meth, at around 2 weeks of treatment. Our government scientists have studied this (epilepsy) drug for 20 years. The clinical trials by U.S. gov. in Mexico were quite successful in 2003/2004, so the government has now approved it for clinical trials here, and then GVG will be legal for ALL drugs of abuse, this includes alcohol and tobacco. If you want it right now, this treatment is available at the clinical trial center in Mexicali.
WWW.BNL.GOV Search words: GVG, Vigabatrin, PET team.
Laurie Posted: April 10, 2005, 12:07 AM
Holly, I know what you are going through first hand and well. You must not give him any money, you must not live with him. You have something he loves and wants, his kids and you. This can often move him to get help in order to get his family back. Now there is finally real help, a new treatment for all drugs of abuse called GVG, studied by our government scientists for many years, it's an epilepsy drug used in many other countries. It's just been approved for clinical trials here, then it will be legal after that, don't know when.
If you want it right now, it's available in Mexicali treatment center where 2 clincial trials by U.S. were successful in 2003/2004. It stops cravings/behavoral fallout at around 2 weeks. Scientists are very excited about GVG. WWW.BNL.GOV Search words: GVG, Vigabatrin, Pet Team.
[B]Laurie Posted: April 10, 2005, 1:23 PM [/B]
You told exactly what loved ones are going through. I'm so sorry for your family's loss from this awful condition. You described addicts so well, and hopefully every meth addict reading will now LISTEN, unplug their ears and uncover their eyes and see death coming at them. In spite of what their minds tell them to think and do, they should all do just the opposite, and LIVE, LIVE!!! I think a day is coming when addicts will NOT have a choice to use anymore, but will be taken into custody (no more drugs in jail) and this won't be a jail setting but a nice place, and they will be given medication to stop all cravings and END THEIR ADDICTION. THis all may sound weird, but it's TRUE, this treatment medication is here and will be approved for use in U.S. after clinical trials are over, soon. It is the most studied treatment drug for addiction by far, name is GVG. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 10, 2005, 1:48 PM
Carol, you and your children are hurting greatly. Things will not change for the better unless you make it happen. Can your children stay with relative while you get help? Or someone? Meth is a long term disease that gets worse and worse for many. You are so entwined in meth that you call yourself ice queen. You should not do/say what your meth feelings say to you, but the right things which are life saving. Now, there is 'finally' a real answer to meth addiction and other addictions. It stops addiction and cravings by restoring the dopamine system to 'normal', it's called GVG and available right now out of country for low cost. The FDA has approved it for clinical use here now, since the clinical trials out of country were so successful. It will be legal here after these trials are completed. It's been studied more than any other treatment for addiction, 20 years. Please research this treatment if you will at WWW. BNL.GOV. Search words: GVG, Vigabatrin, Pet team. It is a miracle straight from God, scientists are very excited about GVG/Vigabatrin. If someone does not want to use this lifesaving treatment, something would be very very wrong with them and they should do it anyway! Do not fear, God is with you!!
Laurie (CORRECTION OF LAST POST Posted: April 10, 2005, 1:54 PM
Sorry, I said government has approved GVG for clinical use here now, which is wrong. I meant to say government has approved GVG for Clinical Trials Here now (in U.S.) Approval for use comes AFTER clincial trials.
Laurie Posted: April 15, 2005, 1:18 PM
It's amazing to me that you can work being a Meth addict for 15 years. There is finally finally, a successful treatment medicine for all drugs of abuse. I've followed the science behind it for 8years. This treatment has been studied by scientists for many years, the most studied by far of any other treatment medicine. Now the FDA has approved it for clincial trials in the U.S. It is available as an epilepsy drug for over 20 years in 60 other countries. It is available right now at the medical center that did the first human clinical trials for addictions by brookhaven national laboratory in New York. The clinical trials were done in Mexicali and now available there, since the medication is available in Mexico. If you want to know anything else, just ask. The treatment medicine is called GVG, and it stops addiction and cravings by returning the dopamine system in the brain to normal levels. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 15, 2005, 10:30 PM
Hi, my reply to your last post didn't get posted. In Los Angeles County, there doesn't seem to be any drug-courts that I know of, I'm going to investigate it. The 30 days of jail is for small possession or DUI and is a half time of formal sentence, which is usually 60 days. I think for first time offenders 30 days in jail is still same as it was in middle 90's. Half time is the rule in L.A., but most often all minor offenders of any crime now get out after serving 10% of their time, which is usually 10 days for drug offences or borrowing a car, and these numbers don't add up anyway.
The D.A. told me that people don't take the choice of prop. 36 rehab since the jail time is so much less, and that the public defender must inform offenders of this fact. It's widely known in L.A. that inmates are released early because of a lack of funds, I thought it was overcrowding, but it's mainly lack of funding said the head sherrif in the L.A. Times.
Orange county must be much better, wish we lived there. In the middle 90's I received letters from judge saying that my daughter would have had to commit a more serious crime (than DUI/under the influence/small possession) for her to get drug testing for cocaine. However, judges were NOT giving drug testing to any one at all back then, and maybe not now. After she completed a rehab for 3 months in the 90's, she asked court for drug testing but they denied it. In late 90's she switched from cocaine to meth. Ever since it is far worse and no help is wanted or listened to. However, I know that God can and will do all things for those who believe. I hope for drug deliverance for your nephew.
For heavy use addicts it's tough to beat at best. In medicine, I've studied what science has discovered on cause of addiction and treatments. Finally there is an answer, a treatment that really does work to stop addiction and craving by bringing the dopamine system to normal levels. Drugs of abuse raise dopamine dramatically. The scientists have done two clincal trials w/ this treatment out of country, now the FDA has approved clinical trials here in U.S. It's the epilepsy drug GVG used in many countries for 20 years but not legal here, yet. Scientists are excited about this treatment and the doctor who did clincial trials by Brookhaven Lab. is in Mexicali. Doctor told me it is a miracle. GVG treatment is available 'now' there. The addicts stayed in their own drug infested neighborhoods while treated, and cravings left at 2-3 weeks. Treatment is for 9 wks. Later on, depending on person, maintenance therapy is usually required at around a year, maybe sooner. It will 'not' have to be taken permanately. WWW.BNL.GOV GVG or VIGABATRIN
I hadn't read that GVG would take another 5 years to approve in U.S., already been studied for 20 years, wouldn't surprise me though. Simply as I can say, GVG brings brain dopamine levels down to 'normal' levels. Then, levels stay normal. Drugs of abuse dramatically raise dopamine levels, and this is what causes both addiction and craving. Addiction is biochemical disease of the brain. There is all kinds of damage in addiction to the brain and body, but the chemical, dopamine, is the key in addiction. The AMA stated decades ago around the start of AA that drug addiction is a disease, and now there is proof God knows, but God wants all to be drug free. He put bad into the world so that man might choose good. This world is about good versus evil, and the choice is goodness/love. I strongly believe that God put GVG into the world to free people of addiction, wasted lives, and death.
AA has proved itself to be a miracle for many people. AA is really based on God. The only thing I don't like about AA is the term "higher power". This means God and He should have the credit. For those who have success with GVG, life is still about God, not us. We are here for a reason and for a short time, and we had better get it right. Don't waste our precious time on things not of God, too much material pleasures, etc., they won't fill the empty hole, only God will. I think it makes sense that our maker would want a personal relationship with us. This life is real, it's not a dress rehersal.
Laurie Posted: April 9, 2005, 11:44 PM
Could you please answer three simple questions, it all comes down to these:
1. Do you want to stop using meth? Yes. Maybe. No.
2. Do you want to stop needing or wanting meth? Yes. Maybe. No.
3. Do you want or are you willing to die from meth? Yes. Maybe. No.
Meth causes negative emotions/moods. No person should ever make a decision based on feelings, even the Bible states so. Decisions are to be based on good sound judgement. So don't let this ugliest of poison decide for you.
IF you answered YES or MAYBE to questions #1 or #2, you would be ready for a new treatment. Hopefully you answered NO to question #3, so you have hope. This new treatment is called GVG. Remember the name. It really works to stop the cravings and behavioral fallout from meth, at around 2 weeks of treatment. Our government scientists have studied this (epilepsy) drug for 20 years. The clinical trials by U.S. gov. in Mexico were quite successful in 2003/2004, so the government has now approved it for clinical trials here, and then GVG will be legal for ALL drugs of abuse, this includes alcohol and tobacco. If you want it right now, this treatment is available at the clinical trial center in Mexicali.
WWW.BNL.GOV Search words: GVG, Vigabatrin, PET team.
Laurie Posted: April 10, 2005, 12:07 AM
Holly, I know what you are going through first hand and well. You must not give him any money, you must not live with him. You have something he loves and wants, his kids and you. This can often move him to get help in order to get his family back. Now there is finally real help, a new treatment for all drugs of abuse called GVG, studied by our government scientists for many years, it's an epilepsy drug used in many other countries. It's just been approved for clinical trials here, then it will be legal after that, don't know when.
If you want it right now, it's available in Mexicali treatment center where 2 clincial trials by U.S. were successful in 2003/2004. It stops cravings/behavoral fallout at around 2 weeks. Scientists are very excited about GVG. WWW.BNL.GOV Search words: GVG, Vigabatrin, Pet Team.
[B]Laurie Posted: April 10, 2005, 1:23 PM [/B]
You told exactly what loved ones are going through. I'm so sorry for your family's loss from this awful condition. You described addicts so well, and hopefully every meth addict reading will now LISTEN, unplug their ears and uncover their eyes and see death coming at them. In spite of what their minds tell them to think and do, they should all do just the opposite, and LIVE, LIVE!!! I think a day is coming when addicts will NOT have a choice to use anymore, but will be taken into custody (no more drugs in jail) and this won't be a jail setting but a nice place, and they will be given medication to stop all cravings and END THEIR ADDICTION. THis all may sound weird, but it's TRUE, this treatment medication is here and will be approved for use in U.S. after clinical trials are over, soon. It is the most studied treatment drug for addiction by far, name is GVG. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 10, 2005, 1:48 PM
Carol, you and your children are hurting greatly. Things will not change for the better unless you make it happen. Can your children stay with relative while you get help? Or someone? Meth is a long term disease that gets worse and worse for many. You are so entwined in meth that you call yourself ice queen. You should not do/say what your meth feelings say to you, but the right things which are life saving. Now, there is 'finally' a real answer to meth addiction and other addictions. It stops addiction and cravings by restoring the dopamine system to 'normal', it's called GVG and available right now out of country for low cost. The FDA has approved it for clinical use here now, since the clinical trials out of country were so successful. It will be legal here after these trials are completed. It's been studied more than any other treatment for addiction, 20 years. Please research this treatment if you will at WWW. BNL.GOV. Search words: GVG, Vigabatrin, Pet team. It is a miracle straight from God, scientists are very excited about GVG/Vigabatrin. If someone does not want to use this lifesaving treatment, something would be very very wrong with them and they should do it anyway! Do not fear, God is with you!!
Laurie (CORRECTION OF LAST POST Posted: April 10, 2005, 1:54 PM
Sorry, I said government has approved GVG for clinical use here now, which is wrong. I meant to say government has approved GVG for Clinical Trials Here now (in U.S.) Approval for use comes AFTER clincial trials.
Laurie Posted: April 15, 2005, 1:18 PM
It's amazing to me that you can work being a Meth addict for 15 years. There is finally finally, a successful treatment medicine for all drugs of abuse. I've followed the science behind it for 8years. This treatment has been studied by scientists for many years, the most studied by far of any other treatment medicine. Now the FDA has approved it for clincial trials in the U.S. It is available as an epilepsy drug for over 20 years in 60 other countries. It is available right now at the medical center that did the first human clinical trials for addictions by brookhaven national laboratory in New York. The clinical trials were done in Mexicali and now available there, since the medication is available in Mexico. If you want to know anything else, just ask. The treatment medicine is called GVG, and it stops addiction and cravings by returning the dopamine system in the brain to normal levels. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 15, 2005, 10:30 PM
Hi, my reply to your last post didn't get posted. In Los Angeles County, there doesn't seem to be any drug-courts that I know of, I'm going to investigate it. The 30 days of jail is for small possession or DUI and is a half time of formal sentence, which is usually 60 days. I think for first time offenders 30 days in jail is still same as it was in middle 90's. Half time is the rule in L.A., but most often all minor offenders of any crime now get out after serving 10% of their time, which is usually 10 days for drug offences or borrowing a car, and these numbers don't add up anyway.
The D.A. told me that people don't take the choice of prop. 36 rehab since the jail time is so much less, and that the public defender must inform offenders of this fact. It's widely known in L.A. that inmates are released early because of a lack of funds, I thought it was overcrowding, but it's mainly lack of funding said the head sherrif in the L.A. Times.
Orange county must be much better, wish we lived there. In the middle 90's I received letters from judge saying that my daughter would have had to commit a more serious crime (than DUI/under the influence/small possession) for her to get drug testing for cocaine. However, judges were NOT giving drug testing to any one at all back then, and maybe not now. After she completed a rehab for 3 months in the 90's, she asked court for drug testing but they denied it. In late 90's she switched from cocaine to meth. Ever since it is far worse and no help is wanted or listened to. However, I know that God can and will do all things for those who believe. I hope for drug deliverance for your nephew.
For heavy use addicts it's tough to beat at best. In medicine, I've studied what science has discovered on cause of addiction and treatments. Finally there is an answer, a treatment that really does work to stop addiction and craving by bringing the dopamine system to normal levels. Drugs of abuse raise dopamine dramatically. The scientists have done two clincal trials w/ this treatment out of country, now the FDA has approved clinical trials here in U.S. It's the epilepsy drug GVG used in many countries for 20 years but not legal here, yet. Scientists are excited about this treatment and the doctor who did clincial trials by Brookhaven Lab. is in Mexicali. Doctor told me it is a miracle. GVG treatment is available 'now' there. The addicts stayed in their own drug infested neighborhoods while treated, and cravings left at 2-3 weeks. Treatment is for 9 wks. Later on, depending on person, maintenance therapy is usually required at around a year, maybe sooner. It will 'not' have to be taken permanately. WWW.BNL.GOV GVG or VIGABATRIN
Laurie Posted: April 15, 2005, 11:15 PM
Judylw55,
I hope you don't mind me writing. I'm a mother of meth addicted older kids.
So, your older son is serving time for a probation violation and hopefully free of drugs while in jail so the mind is clearer. I'm in medicine and so was inclined to study what scientists know about addiction and 'treatment'. After many years there is finally a treatment that works to stop addiction and it's craving. It brings the dopamine levels down to normal. Drugs of abuse raise dramatically brain dopamine causing addiction. This treatment has been studied far more than any other treatment for addiction, and used as epilepsy drug in 60 other countries, not here. Scientists are quite excited about this addiction treatment, called GVG, which has worked well in two clinical trials by Brookhaven National Lab. out of country in Mexicali. The FDA has just approved it's use in clinical trials here in U.S. Cravings stop in 2-3 weeks of treatment, which is for 9 weeks. Then, later on in a year or less depending on person, mainenance therapy with GVG is necessary. This is temporary, will not have to be taken permanately. GVG is for ALL drugs of abuse that raise dopamine levels: Alcohol, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, tobacco, MJ, inhalants. I'm not sure if oxycotin raises brain dopamine. The doctor who did the clinical trials told me "It really is a miracle". My studies told me it is that.
If you want to know any more I'd be glad to help. WWW.BNL.GOV Search Words: GVG or VIGABATRIN. Also search GVG on University of New York website. Laurie
Laurie Posted: April 18, 2005, 8:55 PM
Narf,
I can empathize with you, having been though cocaine and then meth addictions with my child, etc. Cocaine addicts want to stop using far more than meth addicts do I have come to realize. Meth is the one that totally changes the personality to an angry state of mind, deeper denial, delusional thinking. They repeatedly think they can stop all by themselves. They yell, become violent, destructive. Heavy users don't sleep much ever, don't eat much, have bizarre angry delusions and you hear it when they talk to themselves. Cocaine leaves the mind much more intact. Heavy meth users use at least a few times each day. If they aren't using meth at a given hour, they're smoking, drinking. When they don't use meth for just a few hours you see their face looking more normal, healthy.
Anyway, the rock bottom idea is not what scientists who now know a great deal about drug addictions, will tell you. Newer addicts can quit w/ great difficulty on their own, or through brain healing as an inmate inside of prison for several years. Few quit hard core addictions w/ NA, Christianity....and this is a miracle. Addiction is a true biochemical disease of the brain. T his is why scientists at many of our 10 national laboratories have spent many years studying the addicted brain and now are entering a new era of pharmaceutical treatment to stop/end drug addictions. Finally, one medication treatment takes the craving away, and the addiction to all drugs of abuse, even 'meth'. It lowers the drug induced high dopamine levels to normal. Treatment is for several weeks. Scientists are very excited about this treatment. It's called GVG. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 25, 2005, 10:36 PM
Pam, I just saw your post. You are absolutely correct in what you say, your poor parents, I understand completely what they have gone through in general, I've had more than one child on meth for many years. You try to help in every way you can but to no avail. Life is pure hell and high anxiety. Their little children are a big concern also.
I strongly believe that since meth users have no control over their use, that someone else must make the decision for them to make them stop abusing themselves, killing themselves. I believe that mandatory pharmaceutical treatment will be given to all addicts in the near future. Once they get their minds back, clear minds they are so very glad not to crave that evil poison anymore....this statement from people who have taken the new treatment, GVG.
Laurie Posted: April 25, 2005, 11:06 PM
Bumbnhead, thank you for the cost answer. I've wondered about that for years and see that a couple people for their own evil reasons have given meth to my child for many years, free. It's wonderful that God has the last word.
Curious, your husband may be a newer user (1-3 years), or simply use less for years, than the heavy users. Either way, he is an addict. Some are able to stop using for a couple months or so. Some can quit for up to 5-6 months, and this is the very time that is most common to relapse.
Methamphetamine is considered the most awful drug out there, as it changes the personality so much to anger. The person is often not recognized as their former selfs in looks (they look very ill/bizarre), and often not recognized as the person they were in personality, all for the worse. Meth raises brain dopamine levels to 2700 times above normal! Cocaine raises brain dopamine to 550 times above normal, alcohol to 140 times above normal, heroin to 160 times above normal. If you want to learn about addiction in general, and meth addiction and a new treatment that has been studied for 20 years, which stops addiction and cravings, go to WWW. BNL.GOV. This treatment medication will be going through clinical trials here in U.S. soon, and treatment is available now outside U.S., now.
Laurie Posted: April 25, 2005, 11:39 PM
Gurly, You, Teresa and Bumpnhead are smart. You are here, reaching out for help and that is good. Some addicts cannot type or sit down long enough to use the internet or watch t.v., ever.
I know you are extra sensitive to what people think....you mentioned being judged. You are sensitive because that is what meth does to your brain.
Just know that the people who 'judge' do not know the first thing about drug addiction. Forget them. The scientists who have dedicated their lives to studying addiction know much now, and that addiction is a brain disease. These same scientists have worked on pharmaceutical treatments, and one in particular they have studied for 20 long years. It's an epilepsy drug used in children mostly, but it stops craving and therefore the addiction to all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, meth, alcohol, tobacco, heroin, inhalants. This drug treatment lowers the brains dopamine levels to 'normal', this stops the cravings in 2 to 3 weeks. These drugs of abuse dramatically raise brain dopamine levels to very high levels, causing addiction and cravings. So, all addicts have great hope now. WWW.BNL.GOV. This treatment called GVG is available now outside the country, and clincial trials to be started in U.S. soon. Amen.
Laurie Posted: April 26, 2005, 12:46 AM
Jessie, I'm sorry you had to go through your parents meth addictions, especially your Moms. Be sure to take care of yourself, you deserve it.
Your step-fathers meth use does seem unusual, because most users have a progressive disease, and did your moms meth addiction tell you this, is she ok? Your step father being able to carry on and work as normal is not the norm. Most end up losing their jobs after a few years, and family life is lots of trouble due to the angry natures of meth users.
Your step father is sincere is wanting to quit I'm sure, however meth users often want to quit and devise ways to quit all on their own, like getting a job or moving. Your father's plan may be a good one but it may require real help. They often say "Im sick and tired of being sick and tired and numb and don't want to use anymore." Being 'able' to quit long term is another matter. It's the urge to use that makes them use. Addiction is a brain-disease, caused by very high dopamine levels in the brain. High dopamine also causes 'craving'. Dopamine is the 'feel good chemical' in our brains. Meth raises dopamine 2700 times above normal levels, cocain 550 times above normal, alcohol 140 times above normal. Since you are in Arizona, your step father may be close to clinic where he could get the new treatment that has been studied by U.S. scientists for 20 years now, an epilepsy drug that has finally been used successfully in two clinical trials. Treatment is for 9 weeks, and cravings leave at 2-3 wks. The FDA just approved this treatment, called GVG, for clinical trials in U.S. The whole treatment is only a few hundred dollars in Mexicali. you do not stay at clinic but hotel or do once a week trips. Since GVG is not legal here yet, the trials were conducted in Mexicali by scientists at our two national laboratories, Brookhaven National Lab. in New York, and New York University. They collaberated with a government doctor in Mexicali. Scientists are very exited about GVG. To learn more, WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 26, 2005, 12:56 AM
Denise, they call it meth madness. Angry, delusional talk and to themselves.
They don't sleep or eat much. There is a new treatment that does stop cravings and stops the addiction. A 20 year study by scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory and New York University, it's an epilepsy drug that works for addiction, called GVG. Cravings stop in 2-3 weeks, treatment is for 9 weeks.
To learn about this treatment and where to get it now, which is the clinical trial place in Mexicali go to: WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 27, 2005, 1:44 PM
Could someone PLEASE tell me why it is that no one here on meth board has said anything in posts about new treatment GVG that eliminates cravings???
I know that some people here are trying to quit meth. Doesn't this mean you want to find a way to quit? Or not? Or is it fear? Please let me know. Thank you.
The cocaine board people have shown interest in this new treatment and others as well.
Judylw55,
I hope you don't mind me writing. I'm a mother of meth addicted older kids.
So, your older son is serving time for a probation violation and hopefully free of drugs while in jail so the mind is clearer. I'm in medicine and so was inclined to study what scientists know about addiction and 'treatment'. After many years there is finally a treatment that works to stop addiction and it's craving. It brings the dopamine levels down to normal. Drugs of abuse raise dramatically brain dopamine causing addiction. This treatment has been studied far more than any other treatment for addiction, and used as epilepsy drug in 60 other countries, not here. Scientists are quite excited about this addiction treatment, called GVG, which has worked well in two clinical trials by Brookhaven National Lab. out of country in Mexicali. The FDA has just approved it's use in clinical trials here in U.S. Cravings stop in 2-3 weeks of treatment, which is for 9 weeks. Then, later on in a year or less depending on person, mainenance therapy with GVG is necessary. This is temporary, will not have to be taken permanately. GVG is for ALL drugs of abuse that raise dopamine levels: Alcohol, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, tobacco, MJ, inhalants. I'm not sure if oxycotin raises brain dopamine. The doctor who did the clinical trials told me "It really is a miracle". My studies told me it is that.
If you want to know any more I'd be glad to help. WWW.BNL.GOV Search Words: GVG or VIGABATRIN. Also search GVG on University of New York website. Laurie
Laurie Posted: April 18, 2005, 8:55 PM
Narf,
I can empathize with you, having been though cocaine and then meth addictions with my child, etc. Cocaine addicts want to stop using far more than meth addicts do I have come to realize. Meth is the one that totally changes the personality to an angry state of mind, deeper denial, delusional thinking. They repeatedly think they can stop all by themselves. They yell, become violent, destructive. Heavy users don't sleep much ever, don't eat much, have bizarre angry delusions and you hear it when they talk to themselves. Cocaine leaves the mind much more intact. Heavy meth users use at least a few times each day. If they aren't using meth at a given hour, they're smoking, drinking. When they don't use meth for just a few hours you see their face looking more normal, healthy.
Anyway, the rock bottom idea is not what scientists who now know a great deal about drug addictions, will tell you. Newer addicts can quit w/ great difficulty on their own, or through brain healing as an inmate inside of prison for several years. Few quit hard core addictions w/ NA, Christianity....and this is a miracle. Addiction is a true biochemical disease of the brain. T his is why scientists at many of our 10 national laboratories have spent many years studying the addicted brain and now are entering a new era of pharmaceutical treatment to stop/end drug addictions. Finally, one medication treatment takes the craving away, and the addiction to all drugs of abuse, even 'meth'. It lowers the drug induced high dopamine levels to normal. Treatment is for several weeks. Scientists are very excited about this treatment. It's called GVG. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 25, 2005, 10:36 PM
Pam, I just saw your post. You are absolutely correct in what you say, your poor parents, I understand completely what they have gone through in general, I've had more than one child on meth for many years. You try to help in every way you can but to no avail. Life is pure hell and high anxiety. Their little children are a big concern also.
I strongly believe that since meth users have no control over their use, that someone else must make the decision for them to make them stop abusing themselves, killing themselves. I believe that mandatory pharmaceutical treatment will be given to all addicts in the near future. Once they get their minds back, clear minds they are so very glad not to crave that evil poison anymore....this statement from people who have taken the new treatment, GVG.
Laurie Posted: April 25, 2005, 11:06 PM
Bumbnhead, thank you for the cost answer. I've wondered about that for years and see that a couple people for their own evil reasons have given meth to my child for many years, free. It's wonderful that God has the last word.
Curious, your husband may be a newer user (1-3 years), or simply use less for years, than the heavy users. Either way, he is an addict. Some are able to stop using for a couple months or so. Some can quit for up to 5-6 months, and this is the very time that is most common to relapse.
Methamphetamine is considered the most awful drug out there, as it changes the personality so much to anger. The person is often not recognized as their former selfs in looks (they look very ill/bizarre), and often not recognized as the person they were in personality, all for the worse. Meth raises brain dopamine levels to 2700 times above normal! Cocaine raises brain dopamine to 550 times above normal, alcohol to 140 times above normal, heroin to 160 times above normal. If you want to learn about addiction in general, and meth addiction and a new treatment that has been studied for 20 years, which stops addiction and cravings, go to WWW. BNL.GOV. This treatment medication will be going through clinical trials here in U.S. soon, and treatment is available now outside U.S., now.
Laurie Posted: April 25, 2005, 11:39 PM
Gurly, You, Teresa and Bumpnhead are smart. You are here, reaching out for help and that is good. Some addicts cannot type or sit down long enough to use the internet or watch t.v., ever.
I know you are extra sensitive to what people think....you mentioned being judged. You are sensitive because that is what meth does to your brain.
Just know that the people who 'judge' do not know the first thing about drug addiction. Forget them. The scientists who have dedicated their lives to studying addiction know much now, and that addiction is a brain disease. These same scientists have worked on pharmaceutical treatments, and one in particular they have studied for 20 long years. It's an epilepsy drug used in children mostly, but it stops craving and therefore the addiction to all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, meth, alcohol, tobacco, heroin, inhalants. This drug treatment lowers the brains dopamine levels to 'normal', this stops the cravings in 2 to 3 weeks. These drugs of abuse dramatically raise brain dopamine levels to very high levels, causing addiction and cravings. So, all addicts have great hope now. WWW.BNL.GOV. This treatment called GVG is available now outside the country, and clincial trials to be started in U.S. soon. Amen.
Laurie Posted: April 26, 2005, 12:46 AM
Jessie, I'm sorry you had to go through your parents meth addictions, especially your Moms. Be sure to take care of yourself, you deserve it.
Your step-fathers meth use does seem unusual, because most users have a progressive disease, and did your moms meth addiction tell you this, is she ok? Your step father being able to carry on and work as normal is not the norm. Most end up losing their jobs after a few years, and family life is lots of trouble due to the angry natures of meth users.
Your step father is sincere is wanting to quit I'm sure, however meth users often want to quit and devise ways to quit all on their own, like getting a job or moving. Your father's plan may be a good one but it may require real help. They often say "Im sick and tired of being sick and tired and numb and don't want to use anymore." Being 'able' to quit long term is another matter. It's the urge to use that makes them use. Addiction is a brain-disease, caused by very high dopamine levels in the brain. High dopamine also causes 'craving'. Dopamine is the 'feel good chemical' in our brains. Meth raises dopamine 2700 times above normal levels, cocain 550 times above normal, alcohol 140 times above normal. Since you are in Arizona, your step father may be close to clinic where he could get the new treatment that has been studied by U.S. scientists for 20 years now, an epilepsy drug that has finally been used successfully in two clinical trials. Treatment is for 9 weeks, and cravings leave at 2-3 wks. The FDA just approved this treatment, called GVG, for clinical trials in U.S. The whole treatment is only a few hundred dollars in Mexicali. you do not stay at clinic but hotel or do once a week trips. Since GVG is not legal here yet, the trials were conducted in Mexicali by scientists at our two national laboratories, Brookhaven National Lab. in New York, and New York University. They collaberated with a government doctor in Mexicali. Scientists are very exited about GVG. To learn more, WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 26, 2005, 12:56 AM
Denise, they call it meth madness. Angry, delusional talk and to themselves.
They don't sleep or eat much. There is a new treatment that does stop cravings and stops the addiction. A 20 year study by scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory and New York University, it's an epilepsy drug that works for addiction, called GVG. Cravings stop in 2-3 weeks, treatment is for 9 weeks.
To learn about this treatment and where to get it now, which is the clinical trial place in Mexicali go to: WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: April 27, 2005, 1:44 PM
Could someone PLEASE tell me why it is that no one here on meth board has said anything in posts about new treatment GVG that eliminates cravings???
I know that some people here are trying to quit meth. Doesn't this mean you want to find a way to quit? Or not? Or is it fear? Please let me know. Thank you.
The cocaine board people have shown interest in this new treatment and others as well.
Laurie Posted: April 27, 2005, 2:26 PM
KAT,
Hopefully this will be of some help. There is a great new treatment to eliminate cravings by our U.S. scientists. But first, addiction is truly a disease. The thoughts to use again that cannot be erased from the mind in 'recovery', are called "enviromental cue cravings", and are due to these reasons: (1) The dramatic increase in brain dopamine levels (2700 times above normal w/ meth), and ( 2)..Several months into recovery for literally 'years' (even 5 years), the cravings are due to an increase in brain nerve cell growth hormone. This hormone is increased in order to mature daily hatched new nerve cells in great quantities. Many nerve cells are destroyed by addictions, especially meth, so new nerve cells are needed by brain. These nerve cells are also called neurons or our 'thinking' cells. Even up to two years in recovery with meth, nerve cells are still being destroyed due to toxicity science has discovered, not sure if they know why this is. So, you see that the cause of cravings/urges/the thoughts to use are purely biochemical.
The new treatment is an old epilepsy drug used for many years around the world, not in U.S., and discovered/worked on by U.S. government scientists since 1986 for drug addiction. There has been two clinical human trials completed now, and scientists are very excited about results. This treatment lowers brain dopamine levels to normal, eliminating cravings and addiction. Treatment is for 9 weeks, cravings are eliminated in 2-3 weeks. FDA has just approved clincial trials for the U.S., so it can be approved for addiction treatment in U.S. Right now it's available at the clincial trial site outside the U.S. For information visit WWW.BNL.GOV. This treatment is GVG or Vigabatrin.
Laurie Posted: April 28, 2005, 1:34 AM
Thank you for the other meth board link, nytepassion. I have posted lots of messages on this meth board about a new treatment called GVG or Vigabatrin (it's listed on this board under treatment medications, and it's for all drugs of abuse), but no replies so maybe no interest. I also posted lots of messages on the cocaine board here about the GVG, where there is some interest. It seems to me that cocaine users are more interested in getting outside help than meth users, even those here. I wish I knew reasons why.
Laurie Posted: April 28, 2005, 1:50 PM
Dear Guest,
Are you 100% sure that I am giving people false hope? NO you are not, because if you had investigated this new treatment you would see the hope of recovery is now realized in this new treatment. Do you not trust our government or government scientists, is this why you are so against new treatments being developed for addiction? Science is hard at work in pharmaceutical treatment development, and they understand very much about the addicted brain now. This new treatment GVG works, plain and simple, I've studied addictions for years and it is my very life's work to help people with information about this treatment and any other future treatments that address the dopamine system. I have thousands of articles printed on addiction and many on this new treatment, and I've spoken to a scientist and doctor involved in it. This treatment works on the dopamine system to stop cravings, it stops addiction in five different ways including behavioral aspects (withdrawal symptoms), it stops sensitization, cue cravings and more. They said we'd never go to the moon but we did. You sound paranoid and where do you think that comes from....By slamming my sharing of this new treatment you are helping no one here, and I know you want to help them.
Laurie Posted: April 29, 2005, 2:41 AM
Jess,
You are a good brother to help your sister in need. Good reading about meth addiction and treatments is the NIDA website and WWW.BNL.GOV (search GVG). Scientists at Brookhaven National Lab. along with New York University Lab., collaberated on GVG with two clincial trials in Mexicali. GVG has been used for epilepsy in many countries for over 20 years, but not legal in U.S. yet.
In Jan., the FDA finally gave approval for GVG clincial trials in U.S. for addictions treatment. Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners in Coral Gables, Florida, has a worldwide license from Brookhaven to produce GVG, the most studied treatment drug ever. It's been a slow process toward approval. Clinical trial subjects were heavy users of cocaine and meth, average daily use of 15 years. Treatment is for 9 wks., cravings eliminated at 2-3 wks. Some dropped out of trial at 10 days. Those that completed trial stayed drug free after trial it's important to know. Around 3 or 4 used during trial but drastically less than usual. I read scientists are very excited.
GVG is available now at trial clinic in Mexicali and entire cost of treatment is a little over $300. No one stays at clinic but either in their homes or hotel.
Your sister should nip this disease in the bud before it gets even more difficult to quit. Rehab may help your sister if it's long enough. I read it took monkeys
3-4 years for brain healing. People go to prison for a few years, get out and do meth again in many cases. I know of person who went to rehab almost 40 times before it worked. Most common time for relapse during recovery is around 6 months. GVG lowers dopamine levels to normal to stop addiction and craving. Drugs of abuse raise dopamine levels way above normal, meth is 2700 times above normal. GVG is for all drugs of abuse: Meth, cocaine, alcohol, tobacco, heroin, inhalants. Best wishes to you and your sister.
Laurie Posted: April 29, 2005, 2:28 PM
Guest,
Your post brings up relavant points. I've heard of the saying that if addiction is called a disease, people will think of that as an exuse to not get help. I'm not sure that actually is the case in addict's minds. The home page on this board calls addiction a disease, and alcoholism officially named a disease in the 60's by the AMA.
GVG is not being called a cure but an excellent addiction treatment, first to stop cravings from drugs of abuse. one of head doctors working on it said that it is "breaking the cycle of addiction so that people get their lives back." Yes, recovery is very complicated, but with GVG it is far easier. Yes, their should and will be recovery support to deal with any issues in past or present. The subjects that completed the clincial trials renewed family/ relationships, got jobs, or actively sought work. The doctor who ran clinical trials said GVG really is a miracle. Who can argue with that, and scientists said they are excited beyond their wildest dreams.
I've followed reports on this treatment and others for years, and never did I read any hopeful words, till GVG, where before human clincial trials "promising" and "potential" were words used. Scientists are very factual, not wishful thinking. Some people may not trust the goverment, but what I meant was government -'scientists'. I do trust them and they dedicate their lives to studying and researching addiction/treatments. The head scientist who discovered GVG has gone to many schools with graphics to give speeches against addiction.
I'm not relieved that anyone dropped out of clinical trial, it's sad. The ones who did drop out, did so before GVG had a chance to stop their cravings. It takes around 2 to 3 weeks to kick in I read. I imagine some here are not really ready to quit, and I'm on the wrong board with too many posts. Thank you for writing again, and best wishes to you. Laurie
Laurie Posted: April 30, 2005, 1:34 AM
Natasha,
An addict is someone who uses drugs and cannot control use due to cravings. Addiction is a biochemical brain disease. There is a new treatment on the horizon, and it's called GVG. It stops the cycle of addictions and their cravings.
WWW.BNL.GOV. Search word: GVG.
Laurie Posted: April 30, 2005, 2:23 AM
Dear Moms,
THERE IS HOPE NOW!!
I've been through it all for over 20 years with my kids. Read the success rates for rehabs with stimulant drug addictions, cocaine or methamphetamine. Single digits. That said, it's easier for newer addicts to quit than older addicts, but depends on quantity used also. What do rehabs do....there has not been any treatments that stop the cycle of addiction and it's cravings. There has been no answers, most know that. Behind the scenes, science has been working hard for us for many years, and they now know much about the addicted brain and so are working on various pharmacological treatments that stop addiction.
The one that's been a success so far in two clincial trials, is GVG. In Jan. the FDA finally approved it for clinical trials in the U.S. It stops cycle of addiction and cravings by lowering brain dopamine to normal levels. All drugs of abuse raise dopamine levels dramatically causing addiction and it's cravings. WWW.BNL.GOV. Search GVG. P.S. If your kids are on cocaine, watch out because they often switch to methamphetamine these days. Crystal meth is sweeping the country. It's the devil's drug and changes the personality to a demon, it's far worse than cocaine to the mind and even the body. Scientists are very excited about GVG and I know that God has given it for our loved ones.
KAT,
Hopefully this will be of some help. There is a great new treatment to eliminate cravings by our U.S. scientists. But first, addiction is truly a disease. The thoughts to use again that cannot be erased from the mind in 'recovery', are called "enviromental cue cravings", and are due to these reasons: (1) The dramatic increase in brain dopamine levels (2700 times above normal w/ meth), and ( 2)..Several months into recovery for literally 'years' (even 5 years), the cravings are due to an increase in brain nerve cell growth hormone. This hormone is increased in order to mature daily hatched new nerve cells in great quantities. Many nerve cells are destroyed by addictions, especially meth, so new nerve cells are needed by brain. These nerve cells are also called neurons or our 'thinking' cells. Even up to two years in recovery with meth, nerve cells are still being destroyed due to toxicity science has discovered, not sure if they know why this is. So, you see that the cause of cravings/urges/the thoughts to use are purely biochemical.
The new treatment is an old epilepsy drug used for many years around the world, not in U.S., and discovered/worked on by U.S. government scientists since 1986 for drug addiction. There has been two clinical human trials completed now, and scientists are very excited about results. This treatment lowers brain dopamine levels to normal, eliminating cravings and addiction. Treatment is for 9 weeks, cravings are eliminated in 2-3 weeks. FDA has just approved clincial trials for the U.S., so it can be approved for addiction treatment in U.S. Right now it's available at the clincial trial site outside the U.S. For information visit WWW.BNL.GOV. This treatment is GVG or Vigabatrin.
Laurie Posted: April 28, 2005, 1:34 AM
Thank you for the other meth board link, nytepassion. I have posted lots of messages on this meth board about a new treatment called GVG or Vigabatrin (it's listed on this board under treatment medications, and it's for all drugs of abuse), but no replies so maybe no interest. I also posted lots of messages on the cocaine board here about the GVG, where there is some interest. It seems to me that cocaine users are more interested in getting outside help than meth users, even those here. I wish I knew reasons why.
Laurie Posted: April 28, 2005, 1:50 PM
Dear Guest,
Are you 100% sure that I am giving people false hope? NO you are not, because if you had investigated this new treatment you would see the hope of recovery is now realized in this new treatment. Do you not trust our government or government scientists, is this why you are so against new treatments being developed for addiction? Science is hard at work in pharmaceutical treatment development, and they understand very much about the addicted brain now. This new treatment GVG works, plain and simple, I've studied addictions for years and it is my very life's work to help people with information about this treatment and any other future treatments that address the dopamine system. I have thousands of articles printed on addiction and many on this new treatment, and I've spoken to a scientist and doctor involved in it. This treatment works on the dopamine system to stop cravings, it stops addiction in five different ways including behavioral aspects (withdrawal symptoms), it stops sensitization, cue cravings and more. They said we'd never go to the moon but we did. You sound paranoid and where do you think that comes from....By slamming my sharing of this new treatment you are helping no one here, and I know you want to help them.
Laurie Posted: April 29, 2005, 2:41 AM
Jess,
You are a good brother to help your sister in need. Good reading about meth addiction and treatments is the NIDA website and WWW.BNL.GOV (search GVG). Scientists at Brookhaven National Lab. along with New York University Lab., collaberated on GVG with two clincial trials in Mexicali. GVG has been used for epilepsy in many countries for over 20 years, but not legal in U.S. yet.
In Jan., the FDA finally gave approval for GVG clincial trials in U.S. for addictions treatment. Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners in Coral Gables, Florida, has a worldwide license from Brookhaven to produce GVG, the most studied treatment drug ever. It's been a slow process toward approval. Clinical trial subjects were heavy users of cocaine and meth, average daily use of 15 years. Treatment is for 9 wks., cravings eliminated at 2-3 wks. Some dropped out of trial at 10 days. Those that completed trial stayed drug free after trial it's important to know. Around 3 or 4 used during trial but drastically less than usual. I read scientists are very excited.
GVG is available now at trial clinic in Mexicali and entire cost of treatment is a little over $300. No one stays at clinic but either in their homes or hotel.
Your sister should nip this disease in the bud before it gets even more difficult to quit. Rehab may help your sister if it's long enough. I read it took monkeys
3-4 years for brain healing. People go to prison for a few years, get out and do meth again in many cases. I know of person who went to rehab almost 40 times before it worked. Most common time for relapse during recovery is around 6 months. GVG lowers dopamine levels to normal to stop addiction and craving. Drugs of abuse raise dopamine levels way above normal, meth is 2700 times above normal. GVG is for all drugs of abuse: Meth, cocaine, alcohol, tobacco, heroin, inhalants. Best wishes to you and your sister.
Laurie Posted: April 29, 2005, 2:28 PM
Guest,
Your post brings up relavant points. I've heard of the saying that if addiction is called a disease, people will think of that as an exuse to not get help. I'm not sure that actually is the case in addict's minds. The home page on this board calls addiction a disease, and alcoholism officially named a disease in the 60's by the AMA.
GVG is not being called a cure but an excellent addiction treatment, first to stop cravings from drugs of abuse. one of head doctors working on it said that it is "breaking the cycle of addiction so that people get their lives back." Yes, recovery is very complicated, but with GVG it is far easier. Yes, their should and will be recovery support to deal with any issues in past or present. The subjects that completed the clincial trials renewed family/ relationships, got jobs, or actively sought work. The doctor who ran clinical trials said GVG really is a miracle. Who can argue with that, and scientists said they are excited beyond their wildest dreams.
I've followed reports on this treatment and others for years, and never did I read any hopeful words, till GVG, where before human clincial trials "promising" and "potential" were words used. Scientists are very factual, not wishful thinking. Some people may not trust the goverment, but what I meant was government -'scientists'. I do trust them and they dedicate their lives to studying and researching addiction/treatments. The head scientist who discovered GVG has gone to many schools with graphics to give speeches against addiction.
I'm not relieved that anyone dropped out of clinical trial, it's sad. The ones who did drop out, did so before GVG had a chance to stop their cravings. It takes around 2 to 3 weeks to kick in I read. I imagine some here are not really ready to quit, and I'm on the wrong board with too many posts. Thank you for writing again, and best wishes to you. Laurie
Laurie Posted: April 30, 2005, 1:34 AM
Natasha,
An addict is someone who uses drugs and cannot control use due to cravings. Addiction is a biochemical brain disease. There is a new treatment on the horizon, and it's called GVG. It stops the cycle of addictions and their cravings.
WWW.BNL.GOV. Search word: GVG.
Laurie Posted: April 30, 2005, 2:23 AM
Dear Moms,
THERE IS HOPE NOW!!
I've been through it all for over 20 years with my kids. Read the success rates for rehabs with stimulant drug addictions, cocaine or methamphetamine. Single digits. That said, it's easier for newer addicts to quit than older addicts, but depends on quantity used also. What do rehabs do....there has not been any treatments that stop the cycle of addiction and it's cravings. There has been no answers, most know that. Behind the scenes, science has been working hard for us for many years, and they now know much about the addicted brain and so are working on various pharmacological treatments that stop addiction.
The one that's been a success so far in two clincial trials, is GVG. In Jan. the FDA finally approved it for clinical trials in the U.S. It stops cycle of addiction and cravings by lowering brain dopamine to normal levels. All drugs of abuse raise dopamine levels dramatically causing addiction and it's cravings. WWW.BNL.GOV. Search GVG. P.S. If your kids are on cocaine, watch out because they often switch to methamphetamine these days. Crystal meth is sweeping the country. It's the devil's drug and changes the personality to a demon, it's far worse than cocaine to the mind and even the body. Scientists are very excited about GVG and I know that God has given it for our loved ones.
Laurie Posted: May 11, 2005, 2:27 AM
Your post to me sounded angry. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset, I thought the other poster was young but you are not, well happy #50! I really think quite highly of you from your posts. Maybe you just don't want to believe my posts on treatment could be that great or really true?? Why, have you researched? You said you'd talk to substance hosp., if you research it takes 'several' articles to arrive at a semi-clear picture and even then some info. is not in articles. That's why I contacted those working on GVG. I have followed this treatment for about 7 years. Legal in Mexico, England, Canada, etc., but not U.S., though clinical trials approved by FDA in Jan. A 20 year journey and counting. Does it not make sense that a biochemical disease would have a biochemical treatment??!
I wouldn't have understood articles if I had not researched different addictions 'cause' and effects for the last 10+ years. You thanked me but then said to stop promoting the product, and that you question my motives. You said many question my motives here. Who else? I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not a salesperson at all, I've worked in medicine, mostly nursing. I do understand meth addiction well, not only studying it, I have lived with several close relatives that were/are meth addicts. First cocaine, then meth. Extreme addictions. I've lived this hell for many years, 'every' day. They live a worse hell than me in many ways, I see it and feel it. They look very unlike themselves, and act very unlike themselves. It was my pain that led me to seek out what the scientists have learned about various addictions, all the dangers were depressing and hopeless, then I read they were working on 'treatments'. They haven't panned out till now with gvg.
I'm sorry I sounded preachy or like this treatment is a fix all for everyone. It is called an excellent or good treatment, and doctor told me 'it really is a miracle'. This gives me much hope for people. The words that I used in my posts were the exact words used by the scientists in articles I've read on gvg or vigabatrin, and maybe that's why it sounded like a sales pitch., but I live these words of hope everyday. I have boxes full of addiction articles I printed by gov. science labs. I would not use my opinions, just the scientists words, I'm considered an honest person, traditional values, and still get compliments. If this treatment doesn't break addiction for everyone, then there will be other better treatments from what I've read about it.
I don't think I'd be alive now if I didn't have this hope. It's a most serious situation possible where I am, and I rely on God and this treatment, which I truly believe He sent to help people. I'm a bit older than you and not well. As I said in post, telling people about this treatment is my life's work. We all want to have a special purpose in life. I thought I would be helping people here, not upseting them by relaying treatment information from scientists.
The National Health Institute's NIDA director, Frank Vocci said "Developing a medication to treat cocaine addiction has long been a research priority. The available treatment offerings for these individuals as well as people addicted to meth. and other stimulant drugs are exclusively behavioral, as no treatment medications have yet proven effective." The NIDA head director, Nora Volkow, who used to work at Brookhaven on GVG, mentioned it and other possible medications in her last report to congress. There are people from clinical trials out there right now living normal lives, finally. Take care, you are a special person.
Laurie Posted: May 11, 2005, 3:15 PM
Hello,
Telling your story is a good start to getting help that leads to recovery.
You sound quite mature for your age, and that you are seeking help.
There are nice people here and help. Also, meth addiction forum is a good one with lots of help.
This is an awful disease, but God wants recovery for everyone, just keep seeking his will. You are headed in the right direction to put your trust in Him.
God greatly bless you and your son! I have one addict with a young son so I understand some of what you are dealing with. My prayers are with you.
Laurie
Gvg, at www.bnl.gov.
Laurie Posted: May 11, 2005, 6:45 PM
As bad as you are feeling, your entire body is 'healing' and you are ahead.
Have you thought of taking an anti-depressant, some people have said it helps some for depression and anxiety. A psychiatrist who deals with addictions, would know the best antidepressants for your addiction, they are medical doctors. Addiction is a biochemical disease of brain so new treatment meds are being developed by science. A psychologist is not a medical doctor by the way and doesn't write prescriptions.
Laurie Gvg, www.bnl.gov
Laurie Posted: May 11, 2005, 8:07 PM
Excellent advise from last poster. Just be sure to take care of yourself, it's good you did move away. Your Dad has to want to get the help, you know.
You are in my prayers. Prayer can change anything.
Good website: www.bnl.gov search word: gvg
Laurie Posted: May 12, 2005, 3:24 PM
Amazing your friend could work for so long doing meth daily. Heavy meth users lose much weight, don't sleep much, don't eat much, they are angry and often delusional.
Meth addiction and all drug addictions are a biochemical disease of the brain, with relapse. Relapse is most common around 6 months. Some are able to quit forever with a supportive program, and often with God.
Some use less meth and so able to hide effects. They are around others after they rest up and look normal. Your friend should be in a program like NA, and there are church programs in addition to NA.
new treatment at www.bnl.gov. search word: gvg
Laurie Posted: May 14, 2005, 11:59 AM
Hi Yimauser2,
I heard from the matrix institute near Los Angeles, that wellbutrin helps some for those using meth, but that it doesn't really help for those in recovery.
If you will search the website I listed, there is much on Gvg. It's been studied for addiction for 20 years now I read. It is not legal in the U.S. yet, but clinical trials are now approved here. In Canada, England, Mexico and around 60 other countries it's legal for over 20 years as an epilepsy drug. The human clinical trials for cocaine and meth were conducted at Mexican government clinic in Mexicali by addiction doctor (led by Brookhaven National Laboratory, bnl, in New York). Treatment is for 9 wks., and people who completed trial said cravings left at 2-3 wks into treatment. If you want the phone number you can e-mail me at Jcjhdps@hotmail.com
Laurie Posted: May 14, 2005, 6:58 PM
Stepmom,
I used to think like your posts, and I still help but I try not to enable. No money is key. Support and love, but not enable to do stimulant drugs. I decided to learn about addiction out of desperation, and find out what science has learned. That's when I started to understand the disease better. The homepage here states addiction is a relapsing disease. The addict has no control over the disease, but they are able to stop for periods of time. Six months is most common time to relapse. Addicts brains try harder than normal people's brains, say the scientists. When they want to stop using for a period of time they will try all kinds of things; work, moving, etc. They are sincere about it, the addiction is not and so it's not about willpower, but many addicts don't address addiction, they just try harder. Ones in rehabs stay clean longer, and some do get off especially if the disease has not progressed. It depends on amounts used, frequency used, and how long.
There haven't been any cures, but scientists have been working for many years on developing medication treatments to undo the addiction itself, and they know much about addiction now.. Addiction is a biochemical disease. Dramatic rises in brain dopamine are said to cause addiction and it's craving (Brookhaven National Lab.). A treatment worked on for 20 years which is an epilepsy drug, lowers dopamine to normal levels or near to it, and eliminates or greatly helps cravings. Alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, mj, inhalants all cause dramatic rise in dopamine.
This treatment drug is called gvg. The published reports on it for the public are at www.bnl.gov. Interesting reading. P.S. You might warn your stepdaughter/friend of not ever crossing over to use methamphetamines. Many cocaine addicts do. It's a worse hell to see and live with than cocaine by far, I know.
Your post to me sounded angry. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset, I thought the other poster was young but you are not, well happy #50! I really think quite highly of you from your posts. Maybe you just don't want to believe my posts on treatment could be that great or really true?? Why, have you researched? You said you'd talk to substance hosp., if you research it takes 'several' articles to arrive at a semi-clear picture and even then some info. is not in articles. That's why I contacted those working on GVG. I have followed this treatment for about 7 years. Legal in Mexico, England, Canada, etc., but not U.S., though clinical trials approved by FDA in Jan. A 20 year journey and counting. Does it not make sense that a biochemical disease would have a biochemical treatment??!
I wouldn't have understood articles if I had not researched different addictions 'cause' and effects for the last 10+ years. You thanked me but then said to stop promoting the product, and that you question my motives. You said many question my motives here. Who else? I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not a salesperson at all, I've worked in medicine, mostly nursing. I do understand meth addiction well, not only studying it, I have lived with several close relatives that were/are meth addicts. First cocaine, then meth. Extreme addictions. I've lived this hell for many years, 'every' day. They live a worse hell than me in many ways, I see it and feel it. They look very unlike themselves, and act very unlike themselves. It was my pain that led me to seek out what the scientists have learned about various addictions, all the dangers were depressing and hopeless, then I read they were working on 'treatments'. They haven't panned out till now with gvg.
I'm sorry I sounded preachy or like this treatment is a fix all for everyone. It is called an excellent or good treatment, and doctor told me 'it really is a miracle'. This gives me much hope for people. The words that I used in my posts were the exact words used by the scientists in articles I've read on gvg or vigabatrin, and maybe that's why it sounded like a sales pitch., but I live these words of hope everyday. I have boxes full of addiction articles I printed by gov. science labs. I would not use my opinions, just the scientists words, I'm considered an honest person, traditional values, and still get compliments. If this treatment doesn't break addiction for everyone, then there will be other better treatments from what I've read about it.
I don't think I'd be alive now if I didn't have this hope. It's a most serious situation possible where I am, and I rely on God and this treatment, which I truly believe He sent to help people. I'm a bit older than you and not well. As I said in post, telling people about this treatment is my life's work. We all want to have a special purpose in life. I thought I would be helping people here, not upseting them by relaying treatment information from scientists.
The National Health Institute's NIDA director, Frank Vocci said "Developing a medication to treat cocaine addiction has long been a research priority. The available treatment offerings for these individuals as well as people addicted to meth. and other stimulant drugs are exclusively behavioral, as no treatment medications have yet proven effective." The NIDA head director, Nora Volkow, who used to work at Brookhaven on GVG, mentioned it and other possible medications in her last report to congress. There are people from clinical trials out there right now living normal lives, finally. Take care, you are a special person.
Laurie Posted: May 11, 2005, 3:15 PM
Hello,
Telling your story is a good start to getting help that leads to recovery.
You sound quite mature for your age, and that you are seeking help.
There are nice people here and help. Also, meth addiction forum is a good one with lots of help.
This is an awful disease, but God wants recovery for everyone, just keep seeking his will. You are headed in the right direction to put your trust in Him.
God greatly bless you and your son! I have one addict with a young son so I understand some of what you are dealing with. My prayers are with you.
Laurie
Gvg, at www.bnl.gov.
Laurie Posted: May 11, 2005, 6:45 PM
As bad as you are feeling, your entire body is 'healing' and you are ahead.
Have you thought of taking an anti-depressant, some people have said it helps some for depression and anxiety. A psychiatrist who deals with addictions, would know the best antidepressants for your addiction, they are medical doctors. Addiction is a biochemical disease of brain so new treatment meds are being developed by science. A psychologist is not a medical doctor by the way and doesn't write prescriptions.
Laurie Gvg, www.bnl.gov
Laurie Posted: May 11, 2005, 8:07 PM
Excellent advise from last poster. Just be sure to take care of yourself, it's good you did move away. Your Dad has to want to get the help, you know.
You are in my prayers. Prayer can change anything.
Good website: www.bnl.gov search word: gvg
Laurie Posted: May 12, 2005, 3:24 PM
Amazing your friend could work for so long doing meth daily. Heavy meth users lose much weight, don't sleep much, don't eat much, they are angry and often delusional.
Meth addiction and all drug addictions are a biochemical disease of the brain, with relapse. Relapse is most common around 6 months. Some are able to quit forever with a supportive program, and often with God.
Some use less meth and so able to hide effects. They are around others after they rest up and look normal. Your friend should be in a program like NA, and there are church programs in addition to NA.
new treatment at www.bnl.gov. search word: gvg
Laurie Posted: May 14, 2005, 11:59 AM
Hi Yimauser2,
I heard from the matrix institute near Los Angeles, that wellbutrin helps some for those using meth, but that it doesn't really help for those in recovery.
If you will search the website I listed, there is much on Gvg. It's been studied for addiction for 20 years now I read. It is not legal in the U.S. yet, but clinical trials are now approved here. In Canada, England, Mexico and around 60 other countries it's legal for over 20 years as an epilepsy drug. The human clinical trials for cocaine and meth were conducted at Mexican government clinic in Mexicali by addiction doctor (led by Brookhaven National Laboratory, bnl, in New York). Treatment is for 9 wks., and people who completed trial said cravings left at 2-3 wks into treatment. If you want the phone number you can e-mail me at Jcjhdps@hotmail.com
Laurie Posted: May 14, 2005, 6:58 PM
Stepmom,
I used to think like your posts, and I still help but I try not to enable. No money is key. Support and love, but not enable to do stimulant drugs. I decided to learn about addiction out of desperation, and find out what science has learned. That's when I started to understand the disease better. The homepage here states addiction is a relapsing disease. The addict has no control over the disease, but they are able to stop for periods of time. Six months is most common time to relapse. Addicts brains try harder than normal people's brains, say the scientists. When they want to stop using for a period of time they will try all kinds of things; work, moving, etc. They are sincere about it, the addiction is not and so it's not about willpower, but many addicts don't address addiction, they just try harder. Ones in rehabs stay clean longer, and some do get off especially if the disease has not progressed. It depends on amounts used, frequency used, and how long.
There haven't been any cures, but scientists have been working for many years on developing medication treatments to undo the addiction itself, and they know much about addiction now.. Addiction is a biochemical disease. Dramatic rises in brain dopamine are said to cause addiction and it's craving (Brookhaven National Lab.). A treatment worked on for 20 years which is an epilepsy drug, lowers dopamine to normal levels or near to it, and eliminates or greatly helps cravings. Alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, mj, inhalants all cause dramatic rise in dopamine.
This treatment drug is called gvg. The published reports on it for the public are at www.bnl.gov. Interesting reading. P.S. You might warn your stepdaughter/friend of not ever crossing over to use methamphetamines. Many cocaine addicts do. It's a worse hell to see and live with than cocaine by far, I know.
Laurie Posted: May 15, 2005, 4:01 PM
Dear Cynical one,
I just now saw your posts to me , I'm sorry. I did not return to this post or thread since my last post on March 16.
I do not know if any university in Boston was involved in study of gvg. The main studies have been at Brookhaven National Laboratory and New York University, and there are a couple or more, I read.
There have been two human clinical trials on gvg, both in Mexicali, led by Brookhaven Lab. The last was in 2004 for both cocaine and methamphetamine.
It was called successful by scientists and doctors. Some of the trial subjects have not gone back to drugs abuse, some dropped out before gvg could kick in, which is 2 to 3 weeks to eliminate cravings, a couple or so continued using their drugs of choice during gvg trial at a 50% to 80% reduction. The clinical 'trial-period' data was published, but not as to what happened after trial was over in any clear terms.
To clear up my confusion I phoned clinical trial doctor 'last week' and asked 'if' gvg patients stay off drugs or end up using them again. I was told by this doctor they 'might' use drugs again in 'maybe' about one year, it 'depends' on person. I was also told this doctor is working with one of the head doctors on maintenance therapy. I have seen lately science research articles on web that list these two doctors on gvg work. No one should get the idea that maintenance therapy is forever, it is not. One head doctor/researcher said gvg can be used for years if necessary, but the plan is to break the cycle of addiction, and give people back their lives.
The scientists say that the amount of gvg required for addiction treatment is far less than the amounts that caused peripheral vision problems in some epilepsy patients. So, this is why the FDA in January approved gvg for clinical trials in U.S. When these clincial trials are going to take place I have no idea, but trials are usually in 3 phases, each phase can last over 2 years I read. Maybe it depends of study, don't know. Gvg science research has been a 20 year journey I read, and it goes on. Gvg is available now at clinical trial clinic in Mexicali for people who don't want to wait. This gives me hope.
www.bnl.gov Search Word: GVG
Laurie Posted: May 15, 2005, 4:58 PM
Debbie,
You say rehab is not an option for you now. In case you don't know, there are rehabs that take mothers and their children and are state funded, no cost to you. Just make sure that the rehab is long as possible, over a year would be good. It takes time for the brain to heal. I don't know where you are, but the Dream Center is wonderful, totally turns around many peoples lifes. It takes addicts and children, whole families. It is in Los Angeles, and there might be one in another state. Information would have the phone number.
Also, coming new treatment: www.bnl.gov. Search word, GVG.
Laurie Posted: May 20, 2005, 11:25 AM
Hello Witsend,
Your husband's heroin addiction keeps him in deep denial. One minute he's saying he has a mental problem, but not addiction. He really believes this, he believes his mental problem is keeping him doing the heroin. Addicts most often have all kinds of reasons why they use. They're mind tells them that they need to use for many reasons, and so they think it's their mind that is the cause of addiction. Actually, it's the addiction that causes the mind to think these ways. He also let you know that he cannot stay off heroin in long run, he is likely having suicidal thoughts. In reality, addiction is a biochemical disease that causes the mind to be in denial and think all kinds of 'reasons' on why to use at a particular moment. In science this is called 'cue cravings'. The dopamine system of the brain is the key. Dramatically high dopamine levels cause addictions and their cravings for all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, Methamphetamine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine, etc.. The U.S. government has studied a particular medication for 20 years and FDA has finally ok'd clinical trials here, since the trials they did out of country were a success. It might help your husband to tell him that there is much hope now in treatment. This treatment drug eliminates cravings in 2-3 weeks in a 9 week treatment, brings high dopamine down to normal levels. It's available now in England, Canada by private doctors, and at the clinical trial site outside of Calif.
Your husband may have to be treated for physical withdrawals of heroin along with this treatment, not sure on this point. If interested, please go to WWW.BNL.GOV, search word is GVG (treatment drug). Scientists are very excited about it, it stops addictions in 5 different ways. It's very cheap treatment out of country. If you need phone number, etc., let me know. Has your husband tried Naltrexone?
Laurie Posted: May 22, 2005, 1:48 PM
That meth article on 'neurological' brain disease and pathways us difficult to understand for many and seems about hopeless. The word 'neurological' is referring to brain nerve cells called 'neurons', which are damaged/destroyed by addictions. The actual cravings are caused dramatically high levels of brain dopamine, a chemical. In addiction and recovery for a long time, the brain produces 'increased' levels of brain derived nerve cell hormone. These levels are increased to mature the many damaged/destroyed nerve cells in addiction.
These increased levels cause brain dopamine to rise causing 'cue cravings' in addiction and recovery where addict craves drug with enviromental cues: Seeing money, talking to drug friends, there are many many triggers. So, in addiction to drug addiction being a neurological disease, it's also called by scientists a biochemical brain disease. The dopamine and nerve cell hormone keep the disease active! THIS ALL IS WHY SCIENTISTS have been hard at work for many years now to develop medications that can temper dopamine system, thereby stopping cravings and so stop the cycle of addiction, giving addicts back their lives!! WWW.GVG.GOV Search Word: GVG (Vigabatrin).
Laurie Posted: June 2, 2005, 2:28 PM
Sylgem,
Haven't been here in awhile. I'm sorry about your husband, and hope that a miracle will happen for him. GVG is being called that by those who work with it.
The clincial trial you mentioned was the first one. There was a second one last year, also in Mexicali. GVG does more than stop cravings, it does stop the cycle of addiction and people feel normal again. As your post mentioned it blocks high dopamine levels and this stops addiction in the five ways. Those who did not complete trials, dropped out before the gvg could kick in, which is two to three weeks to eliminate cravings. Two or so who completed trials, continued to do meth or cocaine, but at 50% to 80% reductions.
GVG treatment now available at clinical trial clinic is for 9 (nine) weeks, only.
I have spoken to this clinical trial doctor and asked "Do addicts treated with GVG go back to using drugs after treatment, and when"? I was told "Maybe in about a year, it depends (on person)." So, this means that Gvg's effects eventually 'wane' in some or most? people. I was also told that this doctor is working on maintenance therapy 'now' with Dr. Brody. So, this maintenance therapy will be needed at some point for the cue cravings in some people. In my opinion, just guessing, the maintenance therapy will likely be a smaller dose, taken possibly less often, than were the doses in the clinical trials. Maintanance therapy with GVG will not have to be taken 'forever'. Thank God for GVG!
Laurie Posted: June 3, 2005, 4:57 PM
Sorry to hear about your situation and your sister. Unless the addict wants help there is little you can do it's said. However, with lots of thought and planning you can make an impact on her thinking. First, you must give all the love and support you can, without enabling her, without pleading case. Can anyone talk to her enabler to talk some sense into them? You don't want to try to come between them at this point, it wouldn't work. However, when your sister sees that you are on her side with support and love and will listen to 'whatever' she says without negative comment, then she would be willing to trust and listen to you, she would maybe read your articles on what the drug is doing to her body, and even want help. At this point you could tell her about a new treatment. This is the first real treatment to actually 'stop the cycle of addictions', studied for 20 years by U.S. government labs, scientists are very excited about this treatment. It's just been approved by the FDA for clinical trial use. It will take years of trials before final approval. However, it is available now outside the country at place where the two trials have taken place. Treatment is for 9 weeks. To learn about this: www.bnl.gov search word: GVG or Vigabatrin.
Dear Cynical one,
I just now saw your posts to me , I'm sorry. I did not return to this post or thread since my last post on March 16.
I do not know if any university in Boston was involved in study of gvg. The main studies have been at Brookhaven National Laboratory and New York University, and there are a couple or more, I read.
There have been two human clinical trials on gvg, both in Mexicali, led by Brookhaven Lab. The last was in 2004 for both cocaine and methamphetamine.
It was called successful by scientists and doctors. Some of the trial subjects have not gone back to drugs abuse, some dropped out before gvg could kick in, which is 2 to 3 weeks to eliminate cravings, a couple or so continued using their drugs of choice during gvg trial at a 50% to 80% reduction. The clinical 'trial-period' data was published, but not as to what happened after trial was over in any clear terms.
To clear up my confusion I phoned clinical trial doctor 'last week' and asked 'if' gvg patients stay off drugs or end up using them again. I was told by this doctor they 'might' use drugs again in 'maybe' about one year, it 'depends' on person. I was also told this doctor is working with one of the head doctors on maintenance therapy. I have seen lately science research articles on web that list these two doctors on gvg work. No one should get the idea that maintenance therapy is forever, it is not. One head doctor/researcher said gvg can be used for years if necessary, but the plan is to break the cycle of addiction, and give people back their lives.
The scientists say that the amount of gvg required for addiction treatment is far less than the amounts that caused peripheral vision problems in some epilepsy patients. So, this is why the FDA in January approved gvg for clinical trials in U.S. When these clincial trials are going to take place I have no idea, but trials are usually in 3 phases, each phase can last over 2 years I read. Maybe it depends of study, don't know. Gvg science research has been a 20 year journey I read, and it goes on. Gvg is available now at clinical trial clinic in Mexicali for people who don't want to wait. This gives me hope.
www.bnl.gov Search Word: GVG
Laurie Posted: May 15, 2005, 4:58 PM
Debbie,
You say rehab is not an option for you now. In case you don't know, there are rehabs that take mothers and their children and are state funded, no cost to you. Just make sure that the rehab is long as possible, over a year would be good. It takes time for the brain to heal. I don't know where you are, but the Dream Center is wonderful, totally turns around many peoples lifes. It takes addicts and children, whole families. It is in Los Angeles, and there might be one in another state. Information would have the phone number.
Also, coming new treatment: www.bnl.gov. Search word, GVG.
Laurie Posted: May 20, 2005, 11:25 AM
Hello Witsend,
Your husband's heroin addiction keeps him in deep denial. One minute he's saying he has a mental problem, but not addiction. He really believes this, he believes his mental problem is keeping him doing the heroin. Addicts most often have all kinds of reasons why they use. They're mind tells them that they need to use for many reasons, and so they think it's their mind that is the cause of addiction. Actually, it's the addiction that causes the mind to think these ways. He also let you know that he cannot stay off heroin in long run, he is likely having suicidal thoughts. In reality, addiction is a biochemical disease that causes the mind to be in denial and think all kinds of 'reasons' on why to use at a particular moment. In science this is called 'cue cravings'. The dopamine system of the brain is the key. Dramatically high dopamine levels cause addictions and their cravings for all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, Methamphetamine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine, etc.. The U.S. government has studied a particular medication for 20 years and FDA has finally ok'd clinical trials here, since the trials they did out of country were a success. It might help your husband to tell him that there is much hope now in treatment. This treatment drug eliminates cravings in 2-3 weeks in a 9 week treatment, brings high dopamine down to normal levels. It's available now in England, Canada by private doctors, and at the clinical trial site outside of Calif.
Your husband may have to be treated for physical withdrawals of heroin along with this treatment, not sure on this point. If interested, please go to WWW.BNL.GOV, search word is GVG (treatment drug). Scientists are very excited about it, it stops addictions in 5 different ways. It's very cheap treatment out of country. If you need phone number, etc., let me know. Has your husband tried Naltrexone?
Laurie Posted: May 22, 2005, 1:48 PM
That meth article on 'neurological' brain disease and pathways us difficult to understand for many and seems about hopeless. The word 'neurological' is referring to brain nerve cells called 'neurons', which are damaged/destroyed by addictions. The actual cravings are caused dramatically high levels of brain dopamine, a chemical. In addiction and recovery for a long time, the brain produces 'increased' levels of brain derived nerve cell hormone. These levels are increased to mature the many damaged/destroyed nerve cells in addiction.
These increased levels cause brain dopamine to rise causing 'cue cravings' in addiction and recovery where addict craves drug with enviromental cues: Seeing money, talking to drug friends, there are many many triggers. So, in addiction to drug addiction being a neurological disease, it's also called by scientists a biochemical brain disease. The dopamine and nerve cell hormone keep the disease active! THIS ALL IS WHY SCIENTISTS have been hard at work for many years now to develop medications that can temper dopamine system, thereby stopping cravings and so stop the cycle of addiction, giving addicts back their lives!! WWW.GVG.GOV Search Word: GVG (Vigabatrin).
Laurie Posted: June 2, 2005, 2:28 PM
Sylgem,
Haven't been here in awhile. I'm sorry about your husband, and hope that a miracle will happen for him. GVG is being called that by those who work with it.
The clincial trial you mentioned was the first one. There was a second one last year, also in Mexicali. GVG does more than stop cravings, it does stop the cycle of addiction and people feel normal again. As your post mentioned it blocks high dopamine levels and this stops addiction in the five ways. Those who did not complete trials, dropped out before the gvg could kick in, which is two to three weeks to eliminate cravings. Two or so who completed trials, continued to do meth or cocaine, but at 50% to 80% reductions.
GVG treatment now available at clinical trial clinic is for 9 (nine) weeks, only.
I have spoken to this clinical trial doctor and asked "Do addicts treated with GVG go back to using drugs after treatment, and when"? I was told "Maybe in about a year, it depends (on person)." So, this means that Gvg's effects eventually 'wane' in some or most? people. I was also told that this doctor is working on maintenance therapy 'now' with Dr. Brody. So, this maintenance therapy will be needed at some point for the cue cravings in some people. In my opinion, just guessing, the maintenance therapy will likely be a smaller dose, taken possibly less often, than were the doses in the clinical trials. Maintanance therapy with GVG will not have to be taken 'forever'. Thank God for GVG!
Laurie Posted: June 3, 2005, 4:57 PM
Sorry to hear about your situation and your sister. Unless the addict wants help there is little you can do it's said. However, with lots of thought and planning you can make an impact on her thinking. First, you must give all the love and support you can, without enabling her, without pleading case. Can anyone talk to her enabler to talk some sense into them? You don't want to try to come between them at this point, it wouldn't work. However, when your sister sees that you are on her side with support and love and will listen to 'whatever' she says without negative comment, then she would be willing to trust and listen to you, she would maybe read your articles on what the drug is doing to her body, and even want help. At this point you could tell her about a new treatment. This is the first real treatment to actually 'stop the cycle of addictions', studied for 20 years by U.S. government labs, scientists are very excited about this treatment. It's just been approved by the FDA for clinical trial use. It will take years of trials before final approval. However, it is available now outside the country at place where the two trials have taken place. Treatment is for 9 weeks. To learn about this: www.bnl.gov search word: GVG or Vigabatrin.
Laurie==To Blanch, Denise, Bob Posted: June 21, 2005, 2:32 PM
Denise, you are studying law. Has anyone thought about getting pro-active?
Getting help through our representatives for drug addicts who have a biochemical disease which is lethal, and a mindset 'NOT' to help themselves? They deserve help, to be the persons they once were, and 'not' to die of their disease. The cost to society has been very high and getting wose. With meth addicts 'most' do not want help, they repeatedly try to stop using continuously all by themselves, a vivious cycle. They are not in their right minds. Many heavy users are in pschosis, delusional anger, out of control. Even milder users can quit only for a short time, and they can't help but be abusive to their children, their minds are bound. There are a few lucky ones that beat meth and most times it's very early into the disease. Disease of drug addiction deserves to be cured, to be treated, everyone would agree.
Addictive drugs are deadly and they are "illegal". Therefore all realatives/friends of drug addicts can get "involved". We can start of process to demand MANDATORY treatment for our loved ones, similar done with HIV, or other lethal diseases. NOW, there is a real treatment to STOP ADDICTION. GVG stops the cravings, the behavioral fallout, the withdrawals including the depression, 'not feeling', and anxieties. It's been a 20 year journey of study by our scientists, and was a lot of red tape, but it's now had been approved by FDA for clicnal trials in U.S. The doctor who did the clincal trials told me it 'really' is a miracle. I already knew it. It's available outside country right NOW for cheap price. The scientists who ran these two trials are excited beyond their wildest dreams. I've studied GVG for 8 long years. It's only a 9 week treatment, and addicts don't go to rehabs, but stay in their own homes. I asked this trial doctor how long people stayed clean after the treatment, since the articles only stated lengths of clincal trial times. This doctor told me 'maybe a year, it depends on person', and that she was working on maintenance therapy right now with Dr. Brody. So, the maintenance therapy if needed, will be a short course later on.
If anyone is interested in forming a group to help our loved ones to get GVG ruled MANDATORY and approved sooner in U.S., you know how many years clinical trials take, but 'especially' to MAKE GVG MANDATORY for all addicts whether they are in jail or NOT IN JAIL. Not just addicts in jail deserve treatment but all deserve treatment for the most horrible deadly disease of drug addiction. I've seen first hand in Calif., how the usual minor drug offense or related offense gets no jail time, and coached by PD NOT to take prop. 36 for rehab, they point out jail time is much shorter. My daughter kept walking into court barely walking/talking looking very drugged/stupored and not a word was said to her, but noticed by all. I found out from jail commander drugs are commonplace in jail and actually brought to court in various ways. Our loved ones deserve better!!! By the way, I've already read government articles were they are going to give inmates new pharmaceutical treatments for treat addictions. Good, but this leaves out addicts at home and drug houses, they won't get help on their own!! That "ALL ADDICTS DESERVE TREATMENT" is the theme, cause they cannot help themselves. They die because they cannot help themselves, their brain has been hijacked and altered in addiction. The NIDA supports this. There are many more arguments for "mandatory" treatment and getting this GVG 'rushed' through trials to approval. It's the most studied addiction treatment drug ever by the way, with an incredible amount of work submitted to the National Health Institute. PS: GVG is for all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, methamphetamine, alcohol, tobacco, heroin, ectasy, inhalants, MJ, any drug that raises dopamine levels.
Please write me at Jcjhdps@hotmail.com Thank you, Laurie.
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Laurie--correction Posted: June 21, 2005, 2:40 PM
Sorry, I said Denise was studying law. It is Blanche, and Blanche putting dealers in jail is good, but they get out and many do deal again. I believe it's better to work on the poor victims, the addicts, to make sure they ALL get treatment for their addictions, NOW that there is a REAL treatment here that amounts to a cure.
Laurie Posted: June 23, 2005, 8:07 PM
Hi Canadian 27,
I've posted about the new treatment for addictions here. It's GVG, also known as Vigabatrin and Sabril. It is legal in Canada and many other countries. FDA in states just approved it for clinical trials. It's an epilepsy drug that's been studied for 20 years at Brookhaven Nat. Lab. in NY, and New York University, and others. It's successful in two clinical trials outside U.S. Stops addiction and it's cravings, and withdrawal symptoms. Treatment for 9 weeks, might need maintenance therapy with it in a year, depends on person. GVG protocol and rights belong to scientists, protocol known from from various publications on it. Call private psychiatrists, rehabs. www.bnl.gov.
Laurie Posted: June 22, 2005, 3:13 PM
I've posted before on this treatment, GVG. U.S. government laboratories funded by the Institute of Health, have researced this addiction treatment drug for 20 years, the most studed addiction treatment ever, it's for 'all' drugs of abuse, and now the FDA has given approval for clincial trials in U.S. Clinical trials take years! GVG is proven safe for addiction. Also, it's available now right outside U.S. border at the clincial trial clinic. It's a 9 week treatment. It stops addiction, cravings, withdrawals that include depression, anxiety, and 'not' feeling. Brings dopamine to normal levels. WWW.BNL.GOV Study this for yourself, and if interested I can be reached at Jcjhdps@hotmail.com if you have questions or want the phone number of clinic for GVG treatment. Quite inexpensive. I've followed the research for years and would be glad to help anyone. Laurie
Laurie Posted: June 23, 2005, 10:54 PM
Amy Cholawa,
If you are offering assistance on methamphetamine addictions to addicts, you may want to study what science has learned, that addiction is a severe biochemical brain disease. Physical, not mental. Quitting meth is difficult even for a one year addiction. Science for many years has studied many medications to actually 'stop' addiction, this means not only the cravings, but the 'behavioral fallout' which is the withdrawal symptoms with enviromental cue cravings in recovery. All caused by abnormal dopamine system. One long studied treatment in particular, GVG, is getting very good reviews by NIDA, NYU, BNL, and others. Two GVG clinical trials have been completed outside the U.S., and the FDA has approved trials to be conducted in U.S. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: June 24, 2005, 3:09 AM
Gabitril correction; sorry, I said it doesn't work for addiction, but this board states that it is an anticonvulsant that reduces some cocaine cravings and helps some with relapse.
However, GVG is the one treatment that shows real success at this time for cocaine, crystal meth, and other addictions. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: June 26, 2005, 3:02 PM
This board states that drug addiction is a brain disease. Addiction is a bio-chemical brain disease, therefore a cure/treatment will address this 'cause'. This board also states that Gvg/vigabatrin reduces cocaine cravings. Gvg reduces, and in most cases eliminates cravings in study trials. Gvg is for all drugs of abuse that cause high brain dopamine levels, by bringing dopamine to normal levels. It raises GABA which in turn lowers dopamine. It also eliminates the withdrawal symptoms and cue cravings in relapse, because all symptoms in addiction are due to dopamine system imbalance, and once dopamine system is tempered to normal levels, the addiction symptoms leave. The clinical trials have shown that the subjects who stayed in the trials had success. Treatment is for 9 weeks.
Maintenance therapy may be needed for 'some' in a year or so, say the scientists/doctors.
Here is a QUOTE by scientists on GVG study results. "Of 18 subjects who completed the study, 16 tested negative for methamphetamine and cocaine during the last 6-weeks of the trial." The two subjects that used meth. or cocaine during trial, used in significantly less amounts. "There were no visual pathology or changes in vital signs even with continued used of Methamphetamine or cocaine. This indicates GVG is safe under treatment conditions."
Denise, you are studying law. Has anyone thought about getting pro-active?
Getting help through our representatives for drug addicts who have a biochemical disease which is lethal, and a mindset 'NOT' to help themselves? They deserve help, to be the persons they once were, and 'not' to die of their disease. The cost to society has been very high and getting wose. With meth addicts 'most' do not want help, they repeatedly try to stop using continuously all by themselves, a vivious cycle. They are not in their right minds. Many heavy users are in pschosis, delusional anger, out of control. Even milder users can quit only for a short time, and they can't help but be abusive to their children, their minds are bound. There are a few lucky ones that beat meth and most times it's very early into the disease. Disease of drug addiction deserves to be cured, to be treated, everyone would agree.
Addictive drugs are deadly and they are "illegal". Therefore all realatives/friends of drug addicts can get "involved". We can start of process to demand MANDATORY treatment for our loved ones, similar done with HIV, or other lethal diseases. NOW, there is a real treatment to STOP ADDICTION. GVG stops the cravings, the behavioral fallout, the withdrawals including the depression, 'not feeling', and anxieties. It's been a 20 year journey of study by our scientists, and was a lot of red tape, but it's now had been approved by FDA for clicnal trials in U.S. The doctor who did the clincal trials told me it 'really' is a miracle. I already knew it. It's available outside country right NOW for cheap price. The scientists who ran these two trials are excited beyond their wildest dreams. I've studied GVG for 8 long years. It's only a 9 week treatment, and addicts don't go to rehabs, but stay in their own homes. I asked this trial doctor how long people stayed clean after the treatment, since the articles only stated lengths of clincal trial times. This doctor told me 'maybe a year, it depends on person', and that she was working on maintenance therapy right now with Dr. Brody. So, the maintenance therapy if needed, will be a short course later on.
If anyone is interested in forming a group to help our loved ones to get GVG ruled MANDATORY and approved sooner in U.S., you know how many years clinical trials take, but 'especially' to MAKE GVG MANDATORY for all addicts whether they are in jail or NOT IN JAIL. Not just addicts in jail deserve treatment but all deserve treatment for the most horrible deadly disease of drug addiction. I've seen first hand in Calif., how the usual minor drug offense or related offense gets no jail time, and coached by PD NOT to take prop. 36 for rehab, they point out jail time is much shorter. My daughter kept walking into court barely walking/talking looking very drugged/stupored and not a word was said to her, but noticed by all. I found out from jail commander drugs are commonplace in jail and actually brought to court in various ways. Our loved ones deserve better!!! By the way, I've already read government articles were they are going to give inmates new pharmaceutical treatments for treat addictions. Good, but this leaves out addicts at home and drug houses, they won't get help on their own!! That "ALL ADDICTS DESERVE TREATMENT" is the theme, cause they cannot help themselves. They die because they cannot help themselves, their brain has been hijacked and altered in addiction. The NIDA supports this. There are many more arguments for "mandatory" treatment and getting this GVG 'rushed' through trials to approval. It's the most studied addiction treatment drug ever by the way, with an incredible amount of work submitted to the National Health Institute. PS: GVG is for all drugs of abuse: Cocaine, methamphetamine, alcohol, tobacco, heroin, ectasy, inhalants, MJ, any drug that raises dopamine levels.
Please write me at Jcjhdps@hotmail.com Thank you, Laurie.
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Laurie--correction Posted: June 21, 2005, 2:40 PM
Sorry, I said Denise was studying law. It is Blanche, and Blanche putting dealers in jail is good, but they get out and many do deal again. I believe it's better to work on the poor victims, the addicts, to make sure they ALL get treatment for their addictions, NOW that there is a REAL treatment here that amounts to a cure.
Laurie Posted: June 23, 2005, 8:07 PM
Hi Canadian 27,
I've posted about the new treatment for addictions here. It's GVG, also known as Vigabatrin and Sabril. It is legal in Canada and many other countries. FDA in states just approved it for clinical trials. It's an epilepsy drug that's been studied for 20 years at Brookhaven Nat. Lab. in NY, and New York University, and others. It's successful in two clinical trials outside U.S. Stops addiction and it's cravings, and withdrawal symptoms. Treatment for 9 weeks, might need maintenance therapy with it in a year, depends on person. GVG protocol and rights belong to scientists, protocol known from from various publications on it. Call private psychiatrists, rehabs. www.bnl.gov.
Laurie Posted: June 22, 2005, 3:13 PM
I've posted before on this treatment, GVG. U.S. government laboratories funded by the Institute of Health, have researced this addiction treatment drug for 20 years, the most studed addiction treatment ever, it's for 'all' drugs of abuse, and now the FDA has given approval for clincial trials in U.S. Clinical trials take years! GVG is proven safe for addiction. Also, it's available now right outside U.S. border at the clincial trial clinic. It's a 9 week treatment. It stops addiction, cravings, withdrawals that include depression, anxiety, and 'not' feeling. Brings dopamine to normal levels. WWW.BNL.GOV Study this for yourself, and if interested I can be reached at Jcjhdps@hotmail.com if you have questions or want the phone number of clinic for GVG treatment. Quite inexpensive. I've followed the research for years and would be glad to help anyone. Laurie
Laurie Posted: June 23, 2005, 10:54 PM
Amy Cholawa,
If you are offering assistance on methamphetamine addictions to addicts, you may want to study what science has learned, that addiction is a severe biochemical brain disease. Physical, not mental. Quitting meth is difficult even for a one year addiction. Science for many years has studied many medications to actually 'stop' addiction, this means not only the cravings, but the 'behavioral fallout' which is the withdrawal symptoms with enviromental cue cravings in recovery. All caused by abnormal dopamine system. One long studied treatment in particular, GVG, is getting very good reviews by NIDA, NYU, BNL, and others. Two GVG clinical trials have been completed outside the U.S., and the FDA has approved trials to be conducted in U.S. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: June 24, 2005, 3:09 AM
Gabitril correction; sorry, I said it doesn't work for addiction, but this board states that it is an anticonvulsant that reduces some cocaine cravings and helps some with relapse.
However, GVG is the one treatment that shows real success at this time for cocaine, crystal meth, and other addictions. WWW.BNL.GOV
Laurie Posted: June 26, 2005, 3:02 PM
This board states that drug addiction is a brain disease. Addiction is a bio-chemical brain disease, therefore a cure/treatment will address this 'cause'. This board also states that Gvg/vigabatrin reduces cocaine cravings. Gvg reduces, and in most cases eliminates cravings in study trials. Gvg is for all drugs of abuse that cause high brain dopamine levels, by bringing dopamine to normal levels. It raises GABA which in turn lowers dopamine. It also eliminates the withdrawal symptoms and cue cravings in relapse, because all symptoms in addiction are due to dopamine system imbalance, and once dopamine system is tempered to normal levels, the addiction symptoms leave. The clinical trials have shown that the subjects who stayed in the trials had success. Treatment is for 9 weeks.
Maintenance therapy may be needed for 'some' in a year or so, say the scientists/doctors.
Here is a QUOTE by scientists on GVG study results. "Of 18 subjects who completed the study, 16 tested negative for methamphetamine and cocaine during the last 6-weeks of the trial." The two subjects that used meth. or cocaine during trial, used in significantly less amounts. "There were no visual pathology or changes in vital signs even with continued used of Methamphetamine or cocaine. This indicates GVG is safe under treatment conditions."
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Bump for ntrsfnst
i have been taking Gabritol for the past 2 months for Cocaine Cravings...i have used twice in that time 2 days apart 2 weeks ago....i believe that if i want to really use, there will be no stopping me...but, i think that it has helped slightly for physical cravings...not mental cravings
uh, duh, i just got it....does someone have some stock in GVG?
uh, duh, i just got it....does someone have some stock in GVG?
Cynical One,
I have just posted to the Moderators about Laurie and her Infomercials, duh, took this addict a while to really catch on to what is really going on.
I now have serious reservations about this person and I appreciate you taking it upon yourself to bring attention to it. I pray that she is not leading any of us to our deaths because of her extreme enthusiasm about this drug.
I also read a post, saying that she has posted about her addictions, but I have been here since February and really have heard this GVG blah, blah, blah.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Love
Janet
I have just posted to the Moderators about Laurie and her Infomercials, duh, took this addict a while to really catch on to what is really going on.
I now have serious reservations about this person and I appreciate you taking it upon yourself to bring attention to it. I pray that she is not leading any of us to our deaths because of her extreme enthusiasm about this drug.
I also read a post, saying that she has posted about her addictions, but I have been here since February and really have heard this GVG blah, blah, blah.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Love
Janet
Bump for everyone who suffers. From anything.
Hey Guys,
This was my problem, I appreciate you having my back on this one, but I think it's a losing battle. I don't want anyone to get blocked from posting and I especially don't want this to interfere with anyone's recovery, you guys need this board. I stand by what I have said all along regarding this matter, but it's not worth it, y'all need to stay focused on your recoveries, that is what is important. Blessings.
cynical one
This was my problem, I appreciate you having my back on this one, but I think it's a losing battle. I don't want anyone to get blocked from posting and I especially don't want this to interfere with anyone's recovery, you guys need this board. I stand by what I have said all along regarding this matter, but it's not worth it, y'all need to stay focused on your recoveries, that is what is important. Blessings.
cynical one
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