see you all later...lots of work to do today
Cool thanks for the reminder. I tape Dr. Phil everyday. I watched Part 1 of the twins. Man that one girls face is tore up. She said when she smokes crack she picks at her face. It is really sad that she is living in a grave yard and giving blow jobs to anyone and everyone.
I hope she takes the help Dr. Phil is offering her.
Rae
I hope she takes the help Dr. Phil is offering her.
Rae
I saw part 1 of that last week. Did I miss part 2 or is it on this week?
Shelly
Shelly
Shelly,
That is what Angela is trying to tell you in this thread. She is saying Dr.Phil is on tonight with the twins.
SO YES part 2 is on today's show.
:-0) Rae
That is what Angela is trying to tell you in this thread. She is saying Dr.Phil is on tonight with the twins.
SO YES part 2 is on today's show.
:-0) Rae
GIVE THE GIRL SOME SUB
EDIT to say WTF ??? did they give her sub?????
EDIT to say WTF ??? did they give her sub?????
Did anyone see the part two on the twins on heroin???
I dont know if i am wrong on this but it seemed to me that they were being very cold and harsh with the twin that was going through detox...
The poor girl was in withdrawal for 36 hours and yet the Dr didnt want her to have the Bup, even though he had it and told her he had it...she was coming off mega amounts of the stuff by the look of her videos...
I just dont see how they can expect her to participate in therapy when shes suffering so badly....
Am i wrong>>>?
Ali
I dont know if i am wrong on this but it seemed to me that they were being very cold and harsh with the twin that was going through detox...
The poor girl was in withdrawal for 36 hours and yet the Dr didnt want her to have the Bup, even though he had it and told her he had it...she was coming off mega amounts of the stuff by the look of her videos...
I just dont see how they can expect her to participate in therapy when shes suffering so badly....
Am i wrong>>>?
Ali
Ali, I was thinking the same thing. I don't know much about sub since we dont' have it here in canada. I figured they would let her try to get better physically before doing the emotional stuff.
Scary, scary scary
bc
Scary, scary scary
bc
I watched it today, the dr gave her sub when they were first introduced.
Maybe they are letting her suffer through it to show her the hell of not quitting after this intervention.
I think the objective was to get the girl to participate in recovery, not let everyone do everything for her...and if she has a hard time at it, well then maybe she won't go back to using.
Maybe they are letting her suffer through it to show her the hell of not quitting after this intervention.
I think the objective was to get the girl to participate in recovery, not let everyone do everything for her...and if she has a hard time at it, well then maybe she won't go back to using.
Im not an expert on the buprenorphine, but from what I have read, the longer you wait the better it works (36-48 hours). If you start it too soon you go into them precipitated withdrawals. I think it was jw49 a couple of months ago that started too soon and went thru shear hell.
Janet,
The doctor didn't give her sub when they were introduced. Didn't you notice after she stuck the pill in her mouth, she grabbed a bottled water to drink. You dont swallow sub. She was begging for sub during the whole show but the doctor didn't give it to her. They wanted her to suffer the withdrawl. Which in my opinion they were pretty harsh in the way they were acting. Especially the doctor in the dark jacket. I mean what did he want her to do?? Cart wheels? Just the way he was talking/acting was sort of odd to me!! He was kind of OFF the wall with some of his statements and I thought the twin was really trying to help her sister the best she could.
That was ridiculous. Then they put a lot of pressure on her twin that was 6 months pregnant and only 2 weeks clean. They wanted her to focus all her attention on her sister even after she said she was fighting for own recovery. I don't like how they went about the whole detox. I thought it was pretty insensitive of all of them to act the way they were. I suffered an awful methadone withdrawl without sub. In a way I am glad I went through what I did. However, I wasn't on national TV.. HELLO.. Throw her a bone or some tylenol.
It was obvious that Sarah was a HEAVY crack & herion user and was having a HORRIBLE withdrawl.
I think she was doing the BEST she could do. They may end up giving her sub in the next show. She was well into 30 something hours of detox in part 2 and she never received it.
Rae
The doctor didn't give her sub when they were introduced. Didn't you notice after she stuck the pill in her mouth, she grabbed a bottled water to drink. You dont swallow sub. She was begging for sub during the whole show but the doctor didn't give it to her. They wanted her to suffer the withdrawl. Which in my opinion they were pretty harsh in the way they were acting. Especially the doctor in the dark jacket. I mean what did he want her to do?? Cart wheels? Just the way he was talking/acting was sort of odd to me!! He was kind of OFF the wall with some of his statements and I thought the twin was really trying to help her sister the best she could.
That was ridiculous. Then they put a lot of pressure on her twin that was 6 months pregnant and only 2 weeks clean. They wanted her to focus all her attention on her sister even after she said she was fighting for own recovery. I don't like how they went about the whole detox. I thought it was pretty insensitive of all of them to act the way they were. I suffered an awful methadone withdrawl without sub. In a way I am glad I went through what I did. However, I wasn't on national TV.. HELLO.. Throw her a bone or some tylenol.
It was obvious that Sarah was a HEAVY crack & herion user and was having a HORRIBLE withdrawl.
I think she was doing the BEST she could do. They may end up giving her sub in the next show. She was well into 30 something hours of detox in part 2 and she never received it.
Rae
Rae, you are right, I remember thinking 'why is she swallowing it'...
I don't know where they are coming from in the way they are doing this detox...other than I doubt she will ever want to go through it again...
I don't know where they are coming from in the way they are doing this detox...other than I doubt she will ever want to go through it again...
What was up with 2nd doctor that came in? He was kind of weird, wasn't he?
Maybe it was just me, LOL but I wanted to say look dude CHILL. What do you want her to do back flips? He was just very arugementive with both girls during a time I thought he should have been more understanding.
It just goes to show if someone hasn't been there done it, it's hard for them to understand it. I really felt for her but weve all been through it. It won't be long util she is physically feeling better,
So how are you doing? Has it been 5 weeks of NO SMOKING YET?
Maybe it was just me, LOL but I wanted to say look dude CHILL. What do you want her to do back flips? He was just very arugementive with both girls during a time I thought he should have been more understanding.
It just goes to show if someone hasn't been there done it, it's hard for them to understand it. I really felt for her but weve all been through it. It won't be long util she is physically feeling better,
So how are you doing? Has it been 5 weeks of NO SMOKING YET?
It will be 5 weeks tomorrow.
I went in Monday for steroid injections in my neck and I'm pretty sore from it...plus the steroids are making me eat like a horse and have hot flashes and a headache...2 more injections to go...
I was reading that this is only 50% effective...yippee...
I went in Monday for steroid injections in my neck and I'm pretty sore from it...plus the steroids are making me eat like a horse and have hot flashes and a headache...2 more injections to go...
I was reading that this is only 50% effective...yippee...
Rae, BC et al.
its not just you...actually im a bit relieved to see it wasnt just me being overly empathetic to someone suffering the horrors of withdrawal...
The bizarre thing was that the Dr with the white coat started out by saying he knows what shes going through cus hes been there...and the shrink just didnt seem to appreciate what agony she must be going through...in fact considering how far gone they were with their heroin use, i was surprised they were able to sty calm enough to express their feelings and what they thought to be reasonable/unreasonable....
When the twin commiserated with her sister, she was accused of enabling...and Dr Phil really ripped into her, almost making it sound like she "sabotaged" her sister's progress (almost like she snuck out and bought some h or something...) In reality she was just commiserating and saying she didnt understand WHY the Drs didnt " get " how she needed to feel better before she can throw herself into recovery...
Good lord, anyone with a serious H problem would think twice before going to the Dr Phil house for treatment after seeing that show...
Personally i think the shrink was way out of his league and just grabbing some lime light while he had the opportunity..who doesnt understand the fact that they are putting her at greater risk to run out on the whole thing by making her suffer so long, and by seeming so un sympathetic to her situation...
Awful....
A
its not just you...actually im a bit relieved to see it wasnt just me being overly empathetic to someone suffering the horrors of withdrawal...
The bizarre thing was that the Dr with the white coat started out by saying he knows what shes going through cus hes been there...and the shrink just didnt seem to appreciate what agony she must be going through...in fact considering how far gone they were with their heroin use, i was surprised they were able to sty calm enough to express their feelings and what they thought to be reasonable/unreasonable....
When the twin commiserated with her sister, she was accused of enabling...and Dr Phil really ripped into her, almost making it sound like she "sabotaged" her sister's progress (almost like she snuck out and bought some h or something...) In reality she was just commiserating and saying she didnt understand WHY the Drs didnt " get " how she needed to feel better before she can throw herself into recovery...
Good lord, anyone with a serious H problem would think twice before going to the Dr Phil house for treatment after seeing that show...
Personally i think the shrink was way out of his league and just grabbing some lime light while he had the opportunity..who doesnt understand the fact that they are putting her at greater risk to run out on the whole thing by making her suffer so long, and by seeming so un sympathetic to her situation...
Awful....
A
I am so glad I wasnt the only one that thought that as well. Why in the world would they not give her the sub? She was obviously in full blown withdrawls.
When I went through detox and that was just pills.......I could hardly even talk let alone sit down and participate in anything. When I saw that girl pulling the covers up over her head, I felt so much empathy for her, that is exactly what I would of done. I wanted to reach through the screen and give her the damned sub myself.
NO one who is going through that intense of withdrawals is going to be interested in doing ANYTHING.
She was obviously trying and sticking it out and I thought they were far to hard on her.
I am usually a Dr. Phil fan, but it really showed that he has never been through withdrawals.............or he would of been much much more understanding.
JMO...........but so glad to hear I wasnt the only one that felt that way.
When I went through detox and that was just pills.......I could hardly even talk let alone sit down and participate in anything. When I saw that girl pulling the covers up over her head, I felt so much empathy for her, that is exactly what I would of done. I wanted to reach through the screen and give her the damned sub myself.
NO one who is going through that intense of withdrawals is going to be interested in doing ANYTHING.
She was obviously trying and sticking it out and I thought they were far to hard on her.
I am usually a Dr. Phil fan, but it really showed that he has never been through withdrawals.............or he would of been much much more understanding.
JMO...........but so glad to hear I wasnt the only one that felt that way.
Did she go out to smoke? That is what they look for; while I was in detox, if we could get out of bed to go smoke, we could get out of bed to attend group and meetings.
One girl would get up and spend an hour if not more on hair and makeup, then say she was too sick to participate, and would always ask us to bring her lunch back from the hospital cafeteria, until the staff told her to get up and go get it for herself or she doesn't eat. They told her if she can spent that much time on makeup/hair/ etc. she could attend group therapy meetings. Either she attended or makeup would be taken away. She miraclously felt better. I did too when I was told about the privileges being removed. Couldn't make my bed any faster. lol
I see both sides. They make you get up for a reason.
One girl would get up and spend an hour if not more on hair and makeup, then say she was too sick to participate, and would always ask us to bring her lunch back from the hospital cafeteria, until the staff told her to get up and go get it for herself or she doesn't eat. They told her if she can spent that much time on makeup/hair/ etc. she could attend group therapy meetings. Either she attended or makeup would be taken away. She miraclously felt better. I did too when I was told about the privileges being removed. Couldn't make my bed any faster. lol
I see both sides. They make you get up for a reason.
You have a point Brooke, she did manage to get up and smoke.
How much of her lying under the covers is actually hiding from facing reality?
She also managed to get up and eat a few times that they showed.
How much of her lying under the covers is actually hiding from facing reality?
She also managed to get up and eat a few times that they showed.
Eating and fixing hair and makeup was one thing I could NEVER do during withdrawals that is for sure.
Not minimizing her situation in any way, she looked as if she were going through pure hell, but when I saw her eating so well I startled me. I couldnt even smell food during beginning stages of withdrawals.
Hair and Makeup? I looked like something out of a horror movie for a good 5 days or so........Just goes to show we all go through different symptoms when it comes to withdrawal.
I do hope they are able to save this girl , she is so young, and truly dosent look like she will make it another year at this pace.............I felt so horrible for the mother as well having to watch her daughter go through this, I cannot imagine that pain.
I am anxious to see the next show, anyone know when it airs? Part 3?
Not minimizing her situation in any way, she looked as if she were going through pure hell, but when I saw her eating so well I startled me. I couldnt even smell food during beginning stages of withdrawals.
Hair and Makeup? I looked like something out of a horror movie for a good 5 days or so........Just goes to show we all go through different symptoms when it comes to withdrawal.
I do hope they are able to save this girl , she is so young, and truly dosent look like she will make it another year at this pace.............I felt so horrible for the mother as well having to watch her daughter go through this, I cannot imagine that pain.
I am anxious to see the next show, anyone know when it airs? Part 3?
Java
they are in the Dr Phil "house" so i would think they will be on next Monday too, but the guide said part two of two..so who knows...
I was also surprised to see her eat anything, but what the hay..who am i to judge? What one can manage through withdrawal isnt the same the next person can manage...
I only know i felt awful for both of them, and Sarah in particular as she was literally just plucked out of the mean streets and whisked into that house...her sister had already gone through the worst of withdrawal while in prison..
When Sarah was in the passenger side, trying to describe how she felt, she said "Sometimes i just want to grab someone and say HELP ME!!" my heart absolutely broke for her....to see her get so totally out of it she couldnt stand speak or talk seems a wonder shes alive at all...i also wondered if they were tested for aids, as im sure their needles werent clean etc...
Hmm.just remembered that they did show a bit of next weeks show and they bring in the "Dad" that abandoned them...In regards to him doing so Dr Phil said "I didnt know it was an option"...should be a good show..
Hope you are well Java, nice to talk to you..
Hugs
Ali
they are in the Dr Phil "house" so i would think they will be on next Monday too, but the guide said part two of two..so who knows...
I was also surprised to see her eat anything, but what the hay..who am i to judge? What one can manage through withdrawal isnt the same the next person can manage...
I only know i felt awful for both of them, and Sarah in particular as she was literally just plucked out of the mean streets and whisked into that house...her sister had already gone through the worst of withdrawal while in prison..
When Sarah was in the passenger side, trying to describe how she felt, she said "Sometimes i just want to grab someone and say HELP ME!!" my heart absolutely broke for her....to see her get so totally out of it she couldnt stand speak or talk seems a wonder shes alive at all...i also wondered if they were tested for aids, as im sure their needles werent clean etc...
Hmm.just remembered that they did show a bit of next weeks show and they bring in the "Dad" that abandoned them...In regards to him doing so Dr Phil said "I didnt know it was an option"...should be a good show..
Hope you are well Java, nice to talk to you..
Hugs
Ali
i was doing stuff around the house when it was on so i saw bits and pieces of it... i didn't eat for about 3-4 days in the begining of wd with the exception of some saltiens. and hair and make up.....are you kidding? i was lucky to make it into the shower. it really made me laugh to see the girls in rehab so consumed with their appearance. i didn't bring a dam thing to make myself look good, i even forgot to bring a brush. i had to get one there which was a 5 inch little black comb. it took like 10 minutes to get through my hair.
i have no idea when they are going to be on again. i'll tell you 1 thing. i would have killed to detox in the dr phill house rather then that sh*t hole rehab with all the sick people. that house is a palace compared to most rehabs. think how many people in there have diseases
i have no idea when they are going to be on again. i'll tell you 1 thing. i would have killed to detox in the dr phill house rather then that sh*t hole rehab with all the sick people. that house is a palace compared to most rehabs. think how many people in there have diseases
