hi folks this is my first time on the board,my name is T how about some intros?
My name's T, I'm 33 and from Scotland in the UK. I'm on Suboxone but been using H for 7 years straight and dabbled for years before that. I'm going to try to stop my subs this weekend but it's hard, done it many times before! My fiance's been clean for 2 months so it's making me all the more determined to do it.
Awe ritey Tel,,
Welcome m8,,a think i know ye from somewhere but welcme anyway,,i,m eck,n,i,m a Scot too..You,ll find loads of people to support ye on here m8,people in the same boat as yerself,people with alot of clean time,people on meth,n,also people who have family members who are addicts,i,m sure they will all welcome you though..
Also the people are from far and wide,,Scots,English,Americans,S Africa,pretty much all over...speak soon buddy.
ECK
Thanks Eck,this is all new to me so it's good to know you and Linz are about to keep me right. keep your chin right the **** up mate. Me and Linz are rooting for you!
another bloke from Scotland- - I'm gonna need an interpreter soon
welcome- from the states
jack
welcome- from the states
jack
Hi T
Im zaine.Im from johannesburg,south africa.im on my 8th day of cold turkey.the people iv met on this site in this time have been amazing,i wouldn't have got past the first day without the help,support,advice and encouragement of these folk.
Kicking the subs.Big step,but totally possible if you are determined.Strength and power to you buddy.
Im zaine.Im from johannesburg,south africa.im on my 8th day of cold turkey.the people iv met on this site in this time have been amazing,i wouldn't have got past the first day without the help,support,advice and encouragement of these folk.
Kicking the subs.Big step,but totally possible if you are determined.Strength and power to you buddy.
Tel, welcome.
Don't be in too much of a hurry to kick those subs...they might be keeping you sane and healthy. A slooooooow taper is the way to go, a doctor would never recommend coming off them in a single weekend, nor a week, nor even a month, and there's good reason for that. It's like losing weight, the longer it takes, the more likely it is to stay off.
Good luck...with these guys in your corner you'll have some serious help.
Peace ~ MomNMore
Don't be in too much of a hurry to kick those subs...they might be keeping you sane and healthy. A slooooooow taper is the way to go, a doctor would never recommend coming off them in a single weekend, nor a week, nor even a month, and there's good reason for that. It's like losing weight, the longer it takes, the more likely it is to stay off.
Good luck...with these guys in your corner you'll have some serious help.
Peace ~ MomNMore
HI zaine,
I'm a fellow south african, just sending a mzanzi greeting. Im on the coast in port elizabeth. I post on the cocaine board, Im a recovering cokehead.
just saying hi
sorry for interrupting......
I'm a fellow south african, just sending a mzanzi greeting. Im on the coast in port elizabeth. I post on the cocaine board, Im a recovering cokehead.
just saying hi
sorry for interrupting......
..Alrite Tel..
..Im Robbie from London..Pleased to read ya..You did'nt say what dosage of subbie your on at the moment mate ?..Do you feel strong enough in yaself to make it the last time you will ever use subs or gear if you do manage to come off the subs now..you have obviously given it some serious thought i am assuming.. but whats the rush to get off the subs ?.. i read that you said that your fiance has been clean 2mths and your determined to get clean aswell..but i also read that you have come off the subs "loads" of times before..we both know how hard to is to stay clean and battle the cravings when there is nothing to fall back on man, its proper hard to fight them off, especially in the early days once the honeymoon period of being off the gear stops..its a few weeks later when ya got dough in ya pocket and start to feel bored all of a sudden..what im tryna say is, why don't ya take thngs easy regarding the subs and come off them slowly, maybe 2mls a week or fortnight..stay stablised for the time being and enjoy some time wit ya girl while shes still in early days clean time..instead off having to go thru the horrible sicken hot n cold sweats, achy legs, feeling cold inside ya bonees and running nose etc etc that ya would feel if ya jumped off the subs at the weekend..as you said "its hard stopping the subs as ya done it many times before"..Tel, im not tryna tell ya how to run ya sub life, just tryna give ya a bit of support and maybe help ya rethink things..cause you know how hard it is not to relapse when ya in w/ds..whatever ya choose to do, good luck and i hope ya get thru it and manage to live a drugfree life for you and ya missus..take it easy mate..Robbie..
..Im Robbie from London..Pleased to read ya..You did'nt say what dosage of subbie your on at the moment mate ?..Do you feel strong enough in yaself to make it the last time you will ever use subs or gear if you do manage to come off the subs now..you have obviously given it some serious thought i am assuming.. but whats the rush to get off the subs ?.. i read that you said that your fiance has been clean 2mths and your determined to get clean aswell..but i also read that you have come off the subs "loads" of times before..we both know how hard to is to stay clean and battle the cravings when there is nothing to fall back on man, its proper hard to fight them off, especially in the early days once the honeymoon period of being off the gear stops..its a few weeks later when ya got dough in ya pocket and start to feel bored all of a sudden..what im tryna say is, why don't ya take thngs easy regarding the subs and come off them slowly, maybe 2mls a week or fortnight..stay stablised for the time being and enjoy some time wit ya girl while shes still in early days clean time..instead off having to go thru the horrible sicken hot n cold sweats, achy legs, feeling cold inside ya bonees and running nose etc etc that ya would feel if ya jumped off the subs at the weekend..as you said "its hard stopping the subs as ya done it many times before"..Tel, im not tryna tell ya how to run ya sub life, just tryna give ya a bit of support and maybe help ya rethink things..cause you know how hard it is not to relapse when ya in w/ds..whatever ya choose to do, good luck and i hope ya get thru it and manage to live a drugfree life for you and ya missus..take it easy mate..Robbie..
Jack's gonna need an interpreter soon... lmao
Me too!
We're divided by a common language.
Me too!
We're divided by a common language.
Eckie doesn't speak English....
Heeheehee...love ya, eck
Heeheehee...love ya, eck
If i remember correctly it was my writing skills that helped you recognise me by my Sunday name mom..lol..eck
Y'all are too nuts I tell ya.
Funniest is Mark says about how Jack will need an interpreter.
Funniest is Mark says about how Jack will need an interpreter.
Hey all! Think you might have guessed by now that T or Tel is my other half. A lot of yu have been on my journey since I joined the board 5 years ago after coming out Detox 5. The funny thing is, my very first post also said "hi, I'm new here"!!!
Tel knows all about the subs unfortunately. We've both been on them "officially" about 15 times and "unofficially" about 20! We've used them, abused them, tried every way possible to take the p*ss out of them and still use, we've done 3 day detoxes, 3 month detoxes, blah blah. You get me? This time I'm not long out of rehab and I'd already been on Suboxone for months but I was using on top. When I went into rehab, they put me on Subutex with diazepam and dropped me down to 2mg then stopped me there! I was like "no way, you can't do this to me" but the doctor thought he knew best as he's a DR! And I know my body best and I know what stopping Subs is all about! Needless to say, it was hell! I was ill. Anyway's, after 4 days, I begged them to give me something to help me with the withdrawals and the clever doctor offered to put me back on a low dose of subutex! I absolutely refused point blank after 4 days off them! So he gave me lofexidine. They were amazing and helped me through the last few days of withdrawals. Tel has tried a few times since I've been out to stop the subs on a tiny dose (about 0.5mg) and he gets to two days and is just ill again. It's awful. He's been on the subs for months this time as we've tried all sorts as I said and our drug worker swore to us that if we stayed on them longer, it would be easier to come off but that's just not been the case for us. It was just as bad, whatever way we did it. I know there's no pain free way of coming off H but Subutex/Suboxone is still really hard to come off. The symptoms aren't as strong as cold turkey but certainly for me, they were all there, just a bit less pronounced but it was relentless and seemed to drag on forever! Subs are amazing when you are on them and using them properly but I've never ever had an easy taper and neither has T. It was easier for me as I was in rehab, 50 miles away from where I live so when I was feeling ill, I could put u with it because of the old "out of sight, out of mind thing" but when you feel like that and you're just a phonecall away, it's really hard. I have never been offered lofexidine in the 7 years I've been using and trying to get clean through the drug service/GP's /detox etc. until this time and I know it's an old drug. For me, it was the icing on the cake and I can only speak for myself here but I don't understand why this isn't used more, I think this is an amazing combo. This is all personal oppinion incase I p*ss someone off by the way!
Does anyone have any experience of lofexidine? I know it was widely used years ago but not anymore. Anyone know why? Have I missed something? T wants this enough, I'm sure he'll do it. We are going in, keep watch for us lol!!!! Will let you know how things go. If Tel doesn't feel up to it, I can give you guys updates. I know how much this board has helped me over the years, especially in the early days after detox. It was my lifeline at one point. Some of you guys are still here now *waves*
Good luck from me too T, you know I'll be running you plenty hot baths and anything else I can do to help! Linz xx
Tel knows all about the subs unfortunately. We've both been on them "officially" about 15 times and "unofficially" about 20! We've used them, abused them, tried every way possible to take the p*ss out of them and still use, we've done 3 day detoxes, 3 month detoxes, blah blah. You get me? This time I'm not long out of rehab and I'd already been on Suboxone for months but I was using on top. When I went into rehab, they put me on Subutex with diazepam and dropped me down to 2mg then stopped me there! I was like "no way, you can't do this to me" but the doctor thought he knew best as he's a DR! And I know my body best and I know what stopping Subs is all about! Needless to say, it was hell! I was ill. Anyway's, after 4 days, I begged them to give me something to help me with the withdrawals and the clever doctor offered to put me back on a low dose of subutex! I absolutely refused point blank after 4 days off them! So he gave me lofexidine. They were amazing and helped me through the last few days of withdrawals. Tel has tried a few times since I've been out to stop the subs on a tiny dose (about 0.5mg) and he gets to two days and is just ill again. It's awful. He's been on the subs for months this time as we've tried all sorts as I said and our drug worker swore to us that if we stayed on them longer, it would be easier to come off but that's just not been the case for us. It was just as bad, whatever way we did it. I know there's no pain free way of coming off H but Subutex/Suboxone is still really hard to come off. The symptoms aren't as strong as cold turkey but certainly for me, they were all there, just a bit less pronounced but it was relentless and seemed to drag on forever! Subs are amazing when you are on them and using them properly but I've never ever had an easy taper and neither has T. It was easier for me as I was in rehab, 50 miles away from where I live so when I was feeling ill, I could put u with it because of the old "out of sight, out of mind thing" but when you feel like that and you're just a phonecall away, it's really hard. I have never been offered lofexidine in the 7 years I've been using and trying to get clean through the drug service/GP's /detox etc. until this time and I know it's an old drug. For me, it was the icing on the cake and I can only speak for myself here but I don't understand why this isn't used more, I think this is an amazing combo. This is all personal oppinion incase I p*ss someone off by the way!
Does anyone have any experience of lofexidine? I know it was widely used years ago but not anymore. Anyone know why? Have I missed something? T wants this enough, I'm sure he'll do it. We are going in, keep watch for us lol!!!! Will let you know how things go. If Tel doesn't feel up to it, I can give you guys updates. I know how much this board has helped me over the years, especially in the early days after detox. It was my lifeline at one point. Some of you guys are still here now *waves*
Good luck from me too T, you know I'll be running you plenty hot baths and anything else I can do to help! Linz xx
Awrite there T,
Welcome to the site. Are yae froam Edinburgh likes or are yae a Weedjie? Ah've bin posting 'ere the noo fer bout a year & it's bin a well good one by the by.
Ah wes in a wee bet o a mess likes when I goat ere but the folks have helped me soart me heed oot an ah'm no regrettin comin on here. Ah've had tae rock n roll wi the punches esp when ah've needed a good tellin tae cos the folks ere can see you goan pete tong even if you cannae.
It's a good gig mate ah'm tellin yae.
Stick wi it an good luck an aw rite.
Reshie.
(BTW, I'm not a Scot but I just wanted to welcome you and wanted to do so in a light-hearted way that would encourage but make you LOL at the same time. No offence meant ok.)
Welcome to the site. Are yae froam Edinburgh likes or are yae a Weedjie? Ah've bin posting 'ere the noo fer bout a year & it's bin a well good one by the by.
Ah wes in a wee bet o a mess likes when I goat ere but the folks have helped me soart me heed oot an ah'm no regrettin comin on here. Ah've had tae rock n roll wi the punches esp when ah've needed a good tellin tae cos the folks ere can see you goan pete tong even if you cannae.
It's a good gig mate ah'm tellin yae.
Stick wi it an good luck an aw rite.
Reshie.
(BTW, I'm not a Scot but I just wanted to welcome you and wanted to do so in a light-hearted way that would encourage but make you LOL at the same time. No offence meant ok.)
A just posted a big reply to u linz but a fcukin aint doin it again..
Lofexidine,,metallica taste??HAd them years ago,they were the doc at the times drug of choice for detox..They helped some people but not others,,best of it was he never said 2, four times a day etc,,he more or less just told you to gub as many as u like.(no s***)
As i said a just wrote a big reply but not up to repeating it..
A,,so,,yer now writing in Scottish slang buddy..pmsl.did u hae to do a bit researching or just look at old posts??
Eck...............
Lofexidine,,metallica taste??HAd them years ago,they were the doc at the times drug of choice for detox..They helped some people but not others,,best of it was he never said 2, four times a day etc,,he more or less just told you to gub as many as u like.(no s***)
As i said a just wrote a big reply but not up to repeating it..
A,,so,,yer now writing in Scottish slang buddy..pmsl.did u hae to do a bit researching or just look at old posts??
Eck...............
I googled up lofexidine- - and the below explains what its all about- - It seems that it is used in the UK - since 2003- - I dont know if its used in the states. It also looks like they give it to you with another drug- - non- addictive- - hey , if it works thats great- - sounds like we should be using it over here >if its non-addictive and it works- even a little bit.
http://www.drugs.com/news/yale-stud...lapse-3319.html
http://www.drugs.com/news/yale-stud...lapse-3319.html
Cheers Jack, that's really interesting. I don't understand why if it's not addictive, they don't use it for people coming off subs as it worked a treat for me (after being left to suffer for 4 days)!
I just wish the drug service/medical profession would listen to addicts sometimes. I know there are plenty of con artists out there just trying to scam them for anything they can get but we know our bodies and I think it's fair to say, more about most drugs than half of them! Last time I went to my drug service, I was addicted to H and to Valium. So they said ok, we'll put you on suboxone and when you give us 2 clean opiate samples, we'll do a valium detox! But I had to buy the valium off my H dealer so i could only ever manage one clean sample! They were dangling a carrot in front of me! I went to them dual addicted so why the hell do they only want to fix one of them? Moron's! I ended up telling them in these exact words, to "stick the valium up their arses" and I came off them myself! I actually gave up on the service after this and went to rehab!
Linz x
I just wish the drug service/medical profession would listen to addicts sometimes. I know there are plenty of con artists out there just trying to scam them for anything they can get but we know our bodies and I think it's fair to say, more about most drugs than half of them! Last time I went to my drug service, I was addicted to H and to Valium. So they said ok, we'll put you on suboxone and when you give us 2 clean opiate samples, we'll do a valium detox! But I had to buy the valium off my H dealer so i could only ever manage one clean sample! They were dangling a carrot in front of me! I went to them dual addicted so why the hell do they only want to fix one of them? Moron's! I ended up telling them in these exact words, to "stick the valium up their arses" and I came off them myself! I actually gave up on the service after this and went to rehab!
Linz x
