It's been a while since I kicked Herioin cold turkey. I'm ten days out and of course weak and still sick. Remind me how long till I start to feel strong and normal.
Is this a thirty day deal or forty five or what? I forget. Kicking heroin SUCKS SO BAD! I'm as weak now as the day I quit puking.
Don't ask me why I started using it again after six months clean! All I can tell you is I regret it.
I sit here in pain.
But I'm lucky.
Another fellow with six months clean (my buddy) went out at the same time as me. I just heard he died about a month ago.
I'm just sick of all of it.
Mark
Hang in there Mark, do it, just do it..
I'm gonna. One painful,s***ty, pitiful day at a time. I'm such a fool.
I had 5 years clean till a recent relaspe. I did a cold kick felt fine after about 6-7 days. I had about 11 days off and relasped again!. Now going to try yet another kick. I have done countless withdraws YES it sucks a lot!. I always feel the worst on days 2-3-4 after 6 or 7 things are so much better. I've learned ways to ease the discomfort.The only withdraw I ever had that lasted longer then a week was methadone withdraw. Some tips that have helped me DO take a multi vitamin, purchase anti-diarrhea, anti-nausea and muscle-ache medication. Go the holistic route by taking passionflower, ginger and valerian root "look for these in herbal tea". A study found that 60 drops of passionflower extract can reduce the symptoms of opiate withdrawal, yes i've used it and it helps "many teas have passionflower in them". A diffrent study showed that ginger can help with nausea and vomiting. Valerian root can promote sleep and relieve discomfort "tea called sleepy time by Celestial Seasonings on the box look for EXTRA sleepy time with more valerian" this is by far my personal favorite tea it is relaxing for more help grind some ginger root in the tea add honey/sugar. Loperamide (Imodium) is closely related to the opiate Demerol and is effective in easing intestinal symptoms such as diarrhea, cramping and nausea associated with heroin withdrawal if helps. The antihistamine Dramamine "used 4 motion sickness" is also helpful for nausea and dizziness use the regular not the non drowsy. Tea made from ginger root or peppermint is an outstanding anti-nausea aid works very well. Ginger is as effective as the over-the-counter antihistamine Dramamine at treating certain types of nausea. Anxiety and insomnia can be eased using the herbs valerian root, kava-kava and passionflower, all of which possess sedating properties. For diarrhea, the herbs cayenne and marshmallow root are helpful, while St. John's Wort, 5-HTP and SAM-e can combat depression and low mood associated with heroin withdrawal. Make sure to get at least eight hours of quality sleep each night take naps when you can even SHORT naps help. Eat bland foods like chicken noodle soup, jello, crackers, toast, buy some peppermint stick candy and suck ice chips/ eat Popsicle to stay hydrated. Focus on easing physical symptoms of withdrawal treat your self just like if u had a cold/flu. As withdrawal symptoms fade, you may begin to feel irritable and restless. Vigorous exercise is a stress reliever that helps retrain your body to produce endorphins---the brain's pleasure chemicals. Start slowly with 10-20 minutes of stretching exercises and work your way up to 30 minutes of aerobics walk everyday. A nice warm bath with bubbles or bath salts helps sore mussles a lot.
Hi again, Mark...my daughter felt 'normal' about 6 weeks in...so what's that, like 45 days...one at a time...
Through all the pain and struggle keep a close I on what's behind it all....no matter how long it takes!!
Thanks for all of that. my doc gave me seroquel last night to sleep.
I'm still out of it. No more or that super psychotic drug. I can barely move.
I'm still out of it. No more or that super psychotic drug. I can barely move.
zerogirl you must be wonderwoman to feel fine in six to seven days!
If only my plight were that easy.
If only my plight were that easy.
Im afraid i dont know the answer everyones different. Get as much antioxidants as possible to flush the crap out, kiwi red berries etc vitamin B12 loads of water and herbal teas cammomile is soothing.Try also if needed Nytol(not the herbal ones) they contain Diphenhydramine a sedative antihistamine just for the worst nights. Other than that grit your teeth and push on youre doing so well you should be proud of yourself mate oh and if you can try to eat a little. complex carbs are best they give slow burn energy you might need it good luck and godbless kitteekatt x
seroquel ??- Id rather stay up and go thru the hell. That drug should be taken off the market .
I remember yrs ago when I was in some psych hospital everyone was walking around on that stuff. It looked like they were filming "Night Of the Living Dead"
Yeah man it takes awhile, I kind of forget myself.- I do know its probably better not to count the days- -you just gotta go thru it till its over- -
I remember yrs ago when I was in some psych hospital everyone was walking around on that stuff. It looked like they were filming "Night Of the Living Dead"
Yeah man it takes awhile, I kind of forget myself.- I do know its probably better not to count the days- -you just gotta go thru it till its over- -
That Seroquel is like from One Flew Over the Cucko's Nest. You are exactly right about it. And take a look at the potential side effects!!!! zikes!
No more seroquel.
At age 57 after a hard $120 a day heroin kick, I expect more than a few more days of the shakes. One god damn day at a time. (while I watch my $ dwindle)
And I can't lift a finger to make a dime in this shape!
Isn't heroin cool? No wonder I relapsed. This s*** is so fun. And all my family and friends see how smart i am lying here like the living dead.
All after spending three grand a month for the past five months on heroin instead of advertising. I'm a real genius!
Honest to God, I ought to have my a** kicked!
Btw, I take big vitamins, milk thistle to help my liver, I eat an apple a day and the best part of a bag of ritz crackers covered in Peanut Butter , daily. Plus a gallon or more of vitamin water. That's my diet. Plus a Nectarine.
I splurged today on a set of bad a** speakers for my computer so I can sit and rock-out! That seems to help. Just now Judy Collins singing Amazing Grace came on - very apropriate!
Mark
No more seroquel.
At age 57 after a hard $120 a day heroin kick, I expect more than a few more days of the shakes. One god damn day at a time. (while I watch my $ dwindle)
And I can't lift a finger to make a dime in this shape!
Isn't heroin cool? No wonder I relapsed. This s*** is so fun. And all my family and friends see how smart i am lying here like the living dead.
All after spending three grand a month for the past five months on heroin instead of advertising. I'm a real genius!
Honest to God, I ought to have my a** kicked!
Btw, I take big vitamins, milk thistle to help my liver, I eat an apple a day and the best part of a bag of ritz crackers covered in Peanut Butter , daily. Plus a gallon or more of vitamin water. That's my diet. Plus a Nectarine.
I splurged today on a set of bad a** speakers for my computer so I can sit and rock-out! That seems to help. Just now Judy Collins singing Amazing Grace came on - very apropriate!
Mark
Hi Todd.
I went through the same hell time after time after time and felt no better the 15th day as i did the 4th. Never made it past 15 days. I was 2 1/2 days into my latest kick when my dealer called me and could tell i was in bad shape and told me to come to him. He GAVE me a few bags to get better and an 8mg suboxone and a 2mg. I broke the 8 into 4 pcs and started after 24+ hrs into wds. 2 mgs in the morn and 2 at night for 2 days and wala, no sickness no after effects, nothing. I'm on day 6 clean and have no reason what so ever to ever touch heroin again.
I went through the same hell time after time after time and felt no better the 15th day as i did the 4th. Never made it past 15 days. I was 2 1/2 days into my latest kick when my dealer called me and could tell i was in bad shape and told me to come to him. He GAVE me a few bags to get better and an 8mg suboxone and a 2mg. I broke the 8 into 4 pcs and started after 24+ hrs into wds. 2 mgs in the morn and 2 at night for 2 days and wala, no sickness no after effects, nothing. I'm on day 6 clean and have no reason what so ever to ever touch heroin again.
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AMEN Jack!!
Kevin, I know what you mean about just as sick at day 15 as day 5. But at day twenty or twenty five or thirty, you will feel lots better. I wish you could just get there.
I looked into suboxone/subutex and it's various incarnations. What scared me was I was still hooked. Just a different substance. And when I finally wanted to shed that substance, I'd still have to kick.
I hate to be hooked on anything. If I wanna just drop everything and go to the jungle of Costa Rica for a month, I don't want some addiction to prevent that.
I've missed out on some adventures in my life cause I was addicted at the time.
Once in 1976 I was a roughneck on an oilfield in west Texas. Just a few months out of the Air Force. An old dude I used to hunt coyotes with in the evenings had quit a couple months earlier and headed home to Dallas.
Well, one day, I was standing in front of the trailer a few of us shared and in a cloud of dust here comes a station wagon with Lefty at the wheel. He stopped right in front of me and said howdy, Mark!
Sitting next to Lefty in the front seat was his pretty wife (I didn't even know he was married). He introduced me to her and then turned to the back seat and introduced me to the most beautiful brunette I'd ever laid eyes on.
"This here's my daughter Sallly" he said as he waived his arm in her direction. She looked to be about twenty. I couldn't take my eyes off her as she smiled at me
"We're on an adventure. We're going to Disneyland and then go see some of those big western National Parks" "How'd you like to join us?" Lefty asked as Beautiful Sally shimmied over to make room for me to hop in the back seat with her.
I was in the midst of Heroin withdrawals and had a Texas Ranger standing at my shoulder making sure I wasn't going anywhere.
I mustered my best smile and thanked Lefty but said I'd have to pass.
You have no idea how that still agonizes me some thirty five years later. That would have been the adventure of a lifetime, I have no doubt!
Lefty knew how to have a good time, and I have no doubt his wife and daughter did too! Sally, wherever you are, I still love you!
That's just one example of why I hate to be hooked on anything.
Best of luck to you, my friend
Mark
I looked into suboxone/subutex and it's various incarnations. What scared me was I was still hooked. Just a different substance. And when I finally wanted to shed that substance, I'd still have to kick.
I hate to be hooked on anything. If I wanna just drop everything and go to the jungle of Costa Rica for a month, I don't want some addiction to prevent that.
I've missed out on some adventures in my life cause I was addicted at the time.
Once in 1976 I was a roughneck on an oilfield in west Texas. Just a few months out of the Air Force. An old dude I used to hunt coyotes with in the evenings had quit a couple months earlier and headed home to Dallas.
Well, one day, I was standing in front of the trailer a few of us shared and in a cloud of dust here comes a station wagon with Lefty at the wheel. He stopped right in front of me and said howdy, Mark!
Sitting next to Lefty in the front seat was his pretty wife (I didn't even know he was married). He introduced me to her and then turned to the back seat and introduced me to the most beautiful brunette I'd ever laid eyes on.
"This here's my daughter Sallly" he said as he waived his arm in her direction. She looked to be about twenty. I couldn't take my eyes off her as she smiled at me
"We're on an adventure. We're going to Disneyland and then go see some of those big western National Parks" "How'd you like to join us?" Lefty asked as Beautiful Sally shimmied over to make room for me to hop in the back seat with her.
I was in the midst of Heroin withdrawals and had a Texas Ranger standing at my shoulder making sure I wasn't going anywhere.
I mustered my best smile and thanked Lefty but said I'd have to pass.
You have no idea how that still agonizes me some thirty five years later. That would have been the adventure of a lifetime, I have no doubt!
Lefty knew how to have a good time, and I have no doubt his wife and daughter did too! Sally, wherever you are, I still love you!
That's just one example of why I hate to be hooked on anything.
Best of luck to you, my friend
Mark
"You have no idea how that still agonizes me some thirty five years later."
-------- we all have regrets, some we have to live with the best we can- some we need to get over-----------------
"Honest to God, I ought to have my a** kicked!"
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-- you are having you,re azz kicked, You dont need a worse one, ys know ** *
hang on brother
jack
I dont know how to put qoutes in those kool little boxes like Darin, but ya get the idea**
-------- we all have regrets, some we have to live with the best we can- some we need to get over-----------------
"Honest to God, I ought to have my a** kicked!"
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-- you are having you,re azz kicked, You dont need a worse one, ys know ** *
hang on brother
jack
I dont know how to put qoutes in those kool little boxes like Darin, but ya get the idea**
Ya, Jack, I know. What's past is past. Still, how I wanted to grab my s*** and pile in the back of that old station wagon!!!
Anyway, I've just quit all benzos and any sleep aid. I slept a little last night - at least four hours all told. I feel stronger and better today.
Which, Kevin is about day 13 by my count. Ya just gotta hang in there, play the tape through. The ending is good if ya can manage to stay clean.
Mark
Anyway, I've just quit all benzos and any sleep aid. I slept a little last night - at least four hours all told. I feel stronger and better today.
Which, Kevin is about day 13 by my count. Ya just gotta hang in there, play the tape through. The ending is good if ya can manage to stay clean.
Mark
:) I do think maybe I recover faster then the avarage person. I do go little health nuts while doing a detox. I do think maybe "even if it is just mentally" it speeds up the time to feeling better. It took me about 38 days to feel okay kicking methadone "i've heard that was fast". Of course I still feel ran down and a little not right after 6-7 days but, for the most part the worst of the withdraw is over for me in that time. No way do I feel 100% at that time but, I do honestly feel OK at a week.I am talking only the physical withdraw. I have never felt mentally recovered from using even years off. I have youth on my side too i'm in my 30's. I am getting ready to go on a over seas trip i've banging about a quarter gram a day right now, i've been cutting back the last few days. Oh, I hate being on I don't want my trip ruined. I'm so mad at myself. I had 5 years off!. I hear ya about missing out on life and travel due to addiction it's the WORST. I have a abscess in my arm now too hoping it won't give me trouble while i'm in the middle of the OCEAN.
I HATE TO BE HOOKED ON ANYTHING!!!!!
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to stop me as often as not.... hmmmm
Good luck on your trip zerogirl.
Mark
p.S. I live here just a few miles from Mexico so I guess my $20 bags were about a half a gram. I was shooting six of those a day. That probably has something to do with my difficulties returning to normal.
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to stop me as often as not.... hmmmm
Good luck on your trip zerogirl.
Mark
p.S. I live here just a few miles from Mexico so I guess my $20 bags were about a half a gram. I was shooting six of those a day. That probably has something to do with my difficulties returning to normal.
I just wanted to thank you for posting and say that I wish you well.
Sometimes I miss opiates and your post reminds me of why I truly hate them. The high is a w@%$# and it always leaves you empty and used up ... it's a terrible feeling. Withdrawal is nasty. As crappy as I feel right now, I could NEVER feel as bad as that! The memory of my last and final withdrawal makes quitting alcohol, pot, Zoloft and my boyfriend all at the same time seem easy by comparison.
Ya know what they say ... what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
When I quit h for the first time (and most significant time), I was 21 years old. I went into rehab and went thru the WDs, dt-ing with nothing. No medicine except for wellbutrin and risperdal. It was pretty brutal. I felt spacey and sad for at least a year. I hated myself. It was ugly.
How are you feeling now? I hope you're feeling better. Did you happen to mention how old you are? I'm sorry if you did. I think that quitting is easiest when you're in your mid-twenties to mid-thirties. When you're really young, quitting is hard because your brain is immature, and when you get older, quitting is hard because your body isn't as strong as it used to be and it HURTS more. Or so my older addict friends tell me. I know from experience that quitting while really young was tough because I couldn't grasp the concepts needed to quit. It starts in the brain in a lot of ways.
I quit opiates once and for all at age 27 and I THANK GOD everyday that I finally did it. I never regret getting off that crap. The high is NOT worth it. I truly believe that now with every fiber of my being. I used to think the high was worth all of that insanity. I'm so grateful that that's not the case anymore.
I sincerely hope you're doing ok. I have a soft place in my heart for opiate addicts and I really worry about anyone in crisis. I know how much it sucks.
Chloe Belle
Sometimes I miss opiates and your post reminds me of why I truly hate them. The high is a w@%$# and it always leaves you empty and used up ... it's a terrible feeling. Withdrawal is nasty. As crappy as I feel right now, I could NEVER feel as bad as that! The memory of my last and final withdrawal makes quitting alcohol, pot, Zoloft and my boyfriend all at the same time seem easy by comparison.
Ya know what they say ... what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
When I quit h for the first time (and most significant time), I was 21 years old. I went into rehab and went thru the WDs, dt-ing with nothing. No medicine except for wellbutrin and risperdal. It was pretty brutal. I felt spacey and sad for at least a year. I hated myself. It was ugly.
How are you feeling now? I hope you're feeling better. Did you happen to mention how old you are? I'm sorry if you did. I think that quitting is easiest when you're in your mid-twenties to mid-thirties. When you're really young, quitting is hard because your brain is immature, and when you get older, quitting is hard because your body isn't as strong as it used to be and it HURTS more. Or so my older addict friends tell me. I know from experience that quitting while really young was tough because I couldn't grasp the concepts needed to quit. It starts in the brain in a lot of ways.
I quit opiates once and for all at age 27 and I THANK GOD everyday that I finally did it. I never regret getting off that crap. The high is NOT worth it. I truly believe that now with every fiber of my being. I used to think the high was worth all of that insanity. I'm so grateful that that's not the case anymore.
I sincerely hope you're doing ok. I have a soft place in my heart for opiate addicts and I really worry about anyone in crisis. I know how much it sucks.
Chloe Belle
Thank You for that, Chloe.
Mark, 57
Mark, 57
