I am so thankful to be off methadone. During my five years abusing lortab, I was up to 10-15 a day. Not that it wasn't a huge problem but not enough to justify going on methadone. I guess methadone is okay for some people who are in a severe situation and have tried every other option availabe but I think it should be monitored who gets into a methadone clinic. Instead they take anybody willing to pay. As time goes by I hear about more and more methadone related deaths. It makes me sad and angry. Something needs to be done. In my misguided attempt to encourage people wanting to get off methadone and educate those who are thinking of going on it, I found a message board called "We Speak Methadone". I wish there was a methadone forum on this board and maybe someday there will be. Anyway I thought I would be able to talk honestly and openly about methadone but instead I got a ton of angry responses. The people there don't want to hear anything bad about methadone and they don't want to hear from anyone who has come off it. They defend it fiercly and most of them say they will be on it for life. This one guy even posted about a friend of his who wasn't an addict but was suffering from depression. So the guy gave his friend a lortab and the friend felt so much better he wanted more. Eventually the guy turned his friend onto methadone and is proud of himself for helping his friend. He sees methadone as not only a way to treat addiction but also a way to treat depression. How crazy is that? Narcotics are not a solution for depression. Most of us become addicted because we are depressed and we all know that eventually we become more depressed then we were to begin with. I am so sickened by the things I've read from that board. And then today I got an e-mail. Someone was reading that board and they could see that I was out of place. They invited me to another message board that is aimed directly at methadone and people coming off it. Everyone is so encouraging and honest. It's a lot like this board. Someone on this board once asked whatever happened to detoxing anyway? It seems like these days it all about maintenance. Whoever said that was so right. We need to focus on detox and recovery. Anyway, if anybody on methadone reads this please know that it is not impossible to get off it and you're life will be so much better once your free from it. I'm sorry for such a long post but this topic has been on my mind lately and I felt like I needed to say something. Peace.
Shelly
"I guess methadone is okay for some people who are in a severe situation and have tried every other option "
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Very true.
Many Heroin addicts are facing prison,severe health problems(including HIV)& have tried and exhausted all thier viable options. To put someone on a clinic and have them get addicted to a long acting,STRONGER opiate than they were addicted to in the 1st place is iresponsible by the physican> and your right- probably looking for easy money or insurance payments.
I,ve said this before- mdone treatment can be very helpful- but thier are many factors involved that the clinic and/or doctors dont examine before they give what can be a life changing option to a vurnable person.
peace,
jack
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Very true.
Many Heroin addicts are facing prison,severe health problems(including HIV)& have tried and exhausted all thier viable options. To put someone on a clinic and have them get addicted to a long acting,STRONGER opiate than they were addicted to in the 1st place is iresponsible by the physican> and your right- probably looking for easy money or insurance payments.
I,ve said this before- mdone treatment can be very helpful- but thier are many factors involved that the clinic and/or doctors dont examine before they give what can be a life changing option to a vurnable person.
peace,
jack
I read the messages on that board. It's sad.
I don't know if I went to the right board or not . Anyway it said they are "National Alliance of Methadone Advocates!! NAMA is an organization composed of methadone patients and health care professionals that are supporters of quality opiate agonist treatment. We have thousands of members worldwide with a network of international affiliated organizations and chapters in many places in the United States.
The primary objective of NAMA is to advocate for the patient in treatment by destigmatizing and empowering methadone patients. First and foremost, NAMA confronts the negative stereotypes that impact on the self esteem and worth of many methadone patients with a powerful affirmation of pride and unity.
SO that is probably NOT a good site to post negative comments about methadone. Methadone has it's benefits. I was on it for over 2 years. I thought I would DIE coming off it. I was on a very low dose and tapered to 2 1/2 mgs before I quit. I hit rock bottom on methadone. It is an awful drug to just be given to people that don't REALLY REALLY need it. I agree with that.
However, it is very hard to talk to people that are taking it. I have tried MANY times. Most of them get defensive and don't think the will have a hard time getting off it. They will have to experience the detox on their own. If they should ever decide to come off it. Some people like you said are already set up to take it for " LIFE". So what can you do?
I have seen so many people come here after a doctor's appt saying" My doctor gave me methadone, What do you think". Then I give my opinion and again it depends on the circumstances. If someone really needs it. Cancer, Aids patients then that is one thing. If someone was given methadone for mild back pain or because of a vicodin addiction I would tell them HELL NO don't take it..
Good luck on the other board. I think it;s great you are sharing your experience with others. Hey if it stops ONE person from going on it that doesn't really need it, then it was worth it.
Rae
Ps. Jack are you still on methadone? If so how many mgs? Are you planning on being on it for life? Just curious.
The primary objective of NAMA is to advocate for the patient in treatment by destigmatizing and empowering methadone patients. First and foremost, NAMA confronts the negative stereotypes that impact on the self esteem and worth of many methadone patients with a powerful affirmation of pride and unity.
SO that is probably NOT a good site to post negative comments about methadone. Methadone has it's benefits. I was on it for over 2 years. I thought I would DIE coming off it. I was on a very low dose and tapered to 2 1/2 mgs before I quit. I hit rock bottom on methadone. It is an awful drug to just be given to people that don't REALLY REALLY need it. I agree with that.
However, it is very hard to talk to people that are taking it. I have tried MANY times. Most of them get defensive and don't think the will have a hard time getting off it. They will have to experience the detox on their own. If they should ever decide to come off it. Some people like you said are already set up to take it for " LIFE". So what can you do?
I have seen so many people come here after a doctor's appt saying" My doctor gave me methadone, What do you think". Then I give my opinion and again it depends on the circumstances. If someone really needs it. Cancer, Aids patients then that is one thing. If someone was given methadone for mild back pain or because of a vicodin addiction I would tell them HELL NO don't take it..
Good luck on the other board. I think it;s great you are sharing your experience with others. Hey if it stops ONE person from going on it that doesn't really need it, then it was worth it.
Rae
Ps. Jack are you still on methadone? If so how many mgs? Are you planning on being on it for life? Just curious.
Someone please educate me, as I don't know much about methadone. Is it used for pain? Is it effective? Do you get a buzz from it? I thought it was a short term treatment to assist in detoxing from heroin..and to ensure herion addicts didn't get a bag of bad dope or HIV
I know that whenever I got my hands on it, I abused it and it could have easily been my DOC had it been more accessible. It was much stronger than the oxys I was abusing.
I really don't think it belongs in pain pill recovery. Heroin is a different demon and I can certainly understand why it is used. Much safer than what is circulating on the street and being injected with dirty needles. I once knew a heroin addict who thought she was safe because she didn't share needles. She almost died from a kidney infection from using an needle that wasn't sterile.
I know someone (non-addict) who takes it occasionally for debilitating pain, and it has been great for him.
I think it has legitimate, useful medical purposes, and is sometimes a good option for heroin addicts. But taking it for a hydro addiction is counterproductive. It is a very potent full opioid agonist.
But now that suboxone has come along, I would encourage everyone to try that in lieu of methadone. The CRC clinics, which is a national chain of methadone clinics, almost all offer suboxone now. It costs $18.50/day and methadone is $12.00/day. Hopefully that gap can soon be closed. But, it is one of the less expensive ways to get suboxone. $550/month covers all doctor visits, nurses, blood work, urinalysis, individual and group therapy, plus the medication. Plus, they try to get people to an every other day dosing schedule ASAP. That of course cuts the cost in half. A whole lot of people spend much more than that on their DOC. The only downfall is that people have to go to the clinic each day, for the first 90 days, just like with methadone. But for those without insurance, it's better than some of the addiction specialists.
I honestly wonder why anyone would choose meth before trying sub, now that it's so readily available. I know its not always possible, but when it is, why not give it a try?
I really don't think it belongs in pain pill recovery. Heroin is a different demon and I can certainly understand why it is used. Much safer than what is circulating on the street and being injected with dirty needles. I once knew a heroin addict who thought she was safe because she didn't share needles. She almost died from a kidney infection from using an needle that wasn't sterile.
I know someone (non-addict) who takes it occasionally for debilitating pain, and it has been great for him.
I think it has legitimate, useful medical purposes, and is sometimes a good option for heroin addicts. But taking it for a hydro addiction is counterproductive. It is a very potent full opioid agonist.
But now that suboxone has come along, I would encourage everyone to try that in lieu of methadone. The CRC clinics, which is a national chain of methadone clinics, almost all offer suboxone now. It costs $18.50/day and methadone is $12.00/day. Hopefully that gap can soon be closed. But, it is one of the less expensive ways to get suboxone. $550/month covers all doctor visits, nurses, blood work, urinalysis, individual and group therapy, plus the medication. Plus, they try to get people to an every other day dosing schedule ASAP. That of course cuts the cost in half. A whole lot of people spend much more than that on their DOC. The only downfall is that people have to go to the clinic each day, for the first 90 days, just like with methadone. But for those without insurance, it's better than some of the addiction specialists.
I honestly wonder why anyone would choose meth before trying sub, now that it's so readily available. I know its not always possible, but when it is, why not give it a try?
You see, that's what I like about this board. Even though some people here may be using methadone as a tool to come off another drug we can still have a civil conversation about it. I just don't understand why all those other people are so one sided. I was on methadone for over two years so I would never bash anyone who was or is on it. But even when I was at my highest point w/methadone I would never have been brain-washed into believing I needed it for life. I agree there are special circumstances, cancer, AIDS, chronic pain. But these people claim they have an endorphine deficiency and when I asked how you get tested for that nobody could come up with an exact answer. Anyway, I'm not going back there anymore I just really think it's sad. And at the rate things are going with methadone what will these people do if they ever decide to get rid of the methadone clinics? I guess I shouldn't care so much.
Shelly
Shelly
I believe that endorphin deficency is just a theory, not a proven medical condition. Shelly, I guess its no different than if you were promoting an all meat diet an a PETA forum. Or if someone came here promoting online pharmacies. They would get bashed. Those people don't agree and are not ready to hear what you have to offer. This is a different forum with a different purpose, and we are glad to have your firsthand knowledge and experience. Keep spreading your message, I know it reaches some people. But you just can't help those who don't want to be helped. But at least you can educate people who just don't know what they are getting themselves into.
Atlas-
I also abused Methadone when I could get my hands on it when I was using, I would in fact of chose it over oxy's any day. Could of developed a real problem with it.
I found out real quick though when I began looking into suboxone treatment, ( I live in a very small town) that Dr.'s around here didnt even know what it was. They were more than willing to write Methadone though.
I called probably 20 Dr.'s in this area, most all were addiction specialist, and I would feel like a total idiot even calling, they had NO IDEA what suboxone was, would ask me to spell it and everything.
So I think that is the big problem for those who dont have the ability to drive a good distance around here, Your choice is limited to Methadone.
I drive 60 miles or maybe a little more one way to a bigger city to get my sub..........and that is the closest dr. I could find.
Hoping once it becomes more well known all this will change, and people will have a choice.
I also abused Methadone when I could get my hands on it when I was using, I would in fact of chose it over oxy's any day. Could of developed a real problem with it.
I found out real quick though when I began looking into suboxone treatment, ( I live in a very small town) that Dr.'s around here didnt even know what it was. They were more than willing to write Methadone though.
I called probably 20 Dr.'s in this area, most all were addiction specialist, and I would feel like a total idiot even calling, they had NO IDEA what suboxone was, would ask me to spell it and everything.
So I think that is the big problem for those who dont have the ability to drive a good distance around here, Your choice is limited to Methadone.
I drive 60 miles or maybe a little more one way to a bigger city to get my sub..........and that is the closest dr. I could find.
Hoping once it becomes more well known all this will change, and people will have a choice.
Rae, I've forgotten, how many mgs of what pain med were you on before you went on Methadone? Did you dr tell you too or did you seek it out on your own? Just curious...
From all the horror stories I've heard, seems sub should be the one that's made available to people and meth be the one that's hard to get. These meth clinics, are they monitered by drs? Do you see a dr? Or is it just health care assistants?
From all the horror stories I've heard, seems sub should be the one that's made available to people and meth be the one that's hard to get. These meth clinics, are they monitered by drs? Do you see a dr? Or is it just health care assistants?
Thats just wacked. Why would you take an addictive drug that gets you high to stop using an addictive drug that gets you high? Isn't that like drinking whiskey to help you stop drinking Vodka? If sub works for herion, why not cut methadone off completely and use sub instead? If I understand correctly, you don't get high off sub and you don't crave. That combined with therapy seems a much healthier viable option to me..thats the outside looking in I suppose, since I've never taken either...if I am wrong, I apoligize in advance.
Rae****
Thanks for at least asking ,before passing judgement on me. I,ve been on mdone for close to 20 years.
At the time it was recommended by a judge as a way to stop my criminal behavior & heroin addiction that was becoming worse & increasing more dangerous. The feeling was that if I satisfied my need for opiates that I might stop winding up in court all the time(shoplifting. possession...etc..>so you dont think Im some kind of killer)
Anyway- after a few failed attempts tojust drink my dose & go on my way. I wound up in the county jail-detoxing the hard way.
After that- The next time mdone came up was after a failed 60 day hospital/rehab stay. I was clean for a few months ,but didnt use the tools that were taught to me- and wound up at the clinic again. It was at this point I stayed on for longer than the "detox period" and went on MM.
Just a few months ago I heard of subutex, this was not available years ago & is never mentioned at the clinic I go to, so I thought I give it a chance.
I detoxed from 80 all the way down to 20 or 25- then realized that I really didnt have a plan in place. I went back up to 40-45mg & thats where I am today.
I have a good career,raised my son w/o his mother and have done my best to be a productive member of my community- from coaching little league to volunteering with "feeding the homeless projects"
I dont want anyone to think that Ive stopped thinking about getting off this stuff. In fact I think about it quite often. Its just that I no longer let the thoughts of detoxing consume my day.
As I get older ,Im aware that I dont have to many more chances- I will be more prepared and have a plan for success the next time Im ready to detox.
Thanks
peace&respect
jack
Thanks for at least asking ,before passing judgement on me. I,ve been on mdone for close to 20 years.
At the time it was recommended by a judge as a way to stop my criminal behavior & heroin addiction that was becoming worse & increasing more dangerous. The feeling was that if I satisfied my need for opiates that I might stop winding up in court all the time(shoplifting. possession...etc..>so you dont think Im some kind of killer)
Anyway- after a few failed attempts tojust drink my dose & go on my way. I wound up in the county jail-detoxing the hard way.
After that- The next time mdone came up was after a failed 60 day hospital/rehab stay. I was clean for a few months ,but didnt use the tools that were taught to me- and wound up at the clinic again. It was at this point I stayed on for longer than the "detox period" and went on MM.
Just a few months ago I heard of subutex, this was not available years ago & is never mentioned at the clinic I go to, so I thought I give it a chance.
I detoxed from 80 all the way down to 20 or 25- then realized that I really didnt have a plan in place. I went back up to 40-45mg & thats where I am today.
I have a good career,raised my son w/o his mother and have done my best to be a productive member of my community- from coaching little league to volunteering with "feeding the homeless projects"
I dont want anyone to think that Ive stopped thinking about getting off this stuff. In fact I think about it quite often. Its just that I no longer let the thoughts of detoxing consume my day.
As I get older ,Im aware that I dont have to many more chances- I will be more prepared and have a plan for success the next time Im ready to detox.
Thanks
peace&respect
jack
jack,
It sounds like you are a good example of what the drug was intended for. Plus, at the time, it was the only choice. I mean no disrespect to anyone in my posts.
Jody,
Google CRC health Clinics and go to their clinic locator and type in your zip code. You might be surprised. They haven't update their site to say that they now have suboxone, but most, if not all, do. These places you cannot find on the suboxone website under physician locator.
I was helping someone once, with a search, and decided to type in my zip code. I was shocked to find, in my tiny little town, there was a clinic within 5 minutes of my house. But it is a clinic, and in the beginning you have to go every day and wait in line for your med. And, most people are there for meth since sub is new to these clinics. I continued to drive 75 miles each way to a facility that gave me a month at a time of meds.
But, it is a little known option available, and these clinics are everywhere, including lots of very small towns. Plus, they take insurance, and the cash price is pretty cheap too. A good option for some. I just wish they would update their site to say that they now have suboxone. people who find the site think it is a methadone only clinic.
It sounds like you are a good example of what the drug was intended for. Plus, at the time, it was the only choice. I mean no disrespect to anyone in my posts.
Jody,
Google CRC health Clinics and go to their clinic locator and type in your zip code. You might be surprised. They haven't update their site to say that they now have suboxone, but most, if not all, do. These places you cannot find on the suboxone website under physician locator.
I was helping someone once, with a search, and decided to type in my zip code. I was shocked to find, in my tiny little town, there was a clinic within 5 minutes of my house. But it is a clinic, and in the beginning you have to go every day and wait in line for your med. And, most people are there for meth since sub is new to these clinics. I continued to drive 75 miles each way to a facility that gave me a month at a time of meds.
But, it is a little known option available, and these clinics are everywhere, including lots of very small towns. Plus, they take insurance, and the cash price is pretty cheap too. A good option for some. I just wish they would update their site to say that they now have suboxone. people who find the site think it is a methadone only clinic.
Atlas-
I also am able to go in once a month now for a 30 day supply which makes it worth the long drive.
With living in such a tiny town I do appreciate being able to go out of town a bit to get it considering everyone around here knows everyone and the gossiping is so out of control. I dont have to worry to much about bumping into a pharmacist I know or anything like that thank god.
I do wish my sub dr. accepted insurance, but they do not...........I pay cash for each visit, but so far has been well worth it, I have to look at all the $$$$ I spent keeping my habit. So is well worth it.
Thanks for the info though, I have worried at times, what would happen if my Dr. (who is probably close to 60) would decide to retire on a whim or somehing. I would be lost.
Thanks for all the help, you always offer such great advice and info.
Hugs.
I also am able to go in once a month now for a 30 day supply which makes it worth the long drive.
With living in such a tiny town I do appreciate being able to go out of town a bit to get it considering everyone around here knows everyone and the gossiping is so out of control. I dont have to worry to much about bumping into a pharmacist I know or anything like that thank god.
I do wish my sub dr. accepted insurance, but they do not...........I pay cash for each visit, but so far has been well worth it, I have to look at all the $$$$ I spent keeping my habit. So is well worth it.
Thanks for the info though, I have worried at times, what would happen if my Dr. (who is probably close to 60) would decide to retire on a whim or somehing. I would be lost.
Thanks for all the help, you always offer such great advice and info.
Hugs.
Lisa,
I was on Percocet ( 20-30 mgs) a day from 96-98. I went off for 9+ months because of my pregnancy with my son. Then the doctor put me back on percocet shortly there after because of a car accident I was in. I would say Jan 2000 was when I began the methadone. I have never been in a methadone clinic but my doctor had no problem writing it. I was prescribed the 10 mg tablets. I was given 120 a month ( 4 a day). I hardly ever took 4 a day. I stayed right around 2-3 pills a day. My tolerance never got higher. I have no idea why. It just didn't. August 13th, 2002 was when I started detoxing from the methadone. It was a VERY hard detox. The withdrawl was nothing like Vicodin or Percocet in my opinion. It lasted much much longer and was extremely painful.
I have never taken sub as you know. So I am not exactly sure which one is the better alternative. I am guessing sub, from some of the success stories I have heard around here. Then again, I have seen people come detoxing pretty bad from suboxone too. Especially those that jump off sub from a 2 mg or higher dose. It seems very simiular to a methadone withdrawl, when you hear others talk about it.
I am just glad I did it and I survived it. Also that I never have to do it again. Well I hope not. I would never touch it unless I was dying and needed to be on it for life. Then I might consider it again. Other than that NO THANKS, I don't think I could handle that kind of pain again.
Jack,
I hope and pray oneday you will be able to get off it. It sounds like that is what you want. It sounds like you have turned your entire life around for the better. Plus, you've done it while taking methadone. You'll know when you are ready. I stayed around 20-30 mgs a day and was able to taper down to 2 1/2 mgs a day before I stopped. My oldest daughter was 11 at the time and my son was 4 years old. It wasn't easy. My mom had to take them for a while. My best friend had me stay with her for 7-8 days. She helped me through it. I did it with a Clonidine patch. If you ever decide to do it, I would hope your doctor would help you more than mine did.
So your going to a clinic? Do they ever talk to your about getting off it? Do they give you take homes? Or do you go there everyday? If I were you I would consider doing the switch from meth to sub. I have a feeling that may be easier for you. Especially if you only planned to use the sub short term 10 weeks or less. You would need to get down to 30 mgs of methadone to swtich but that may be an option for you? Get a plan and go for it.
I hope it all works out when the time is right. It can be done. I am living proof and look at Shelly. She did it too.
Rae
I was on Percocet ( 20-30 mgs) a day from 96-98. I went off for 9+ months because of my pregnancy with my son. Then the doctor put me back on percocet shortly there after because of a car accident I was in. I would say Jan 2000 was when I began the methadone. I have never been in a methadone clinic but my doctor had no problem writing it. I was prescribed the 10 mg tablets. I was given 120 a month ( 4 a day). I hardly ever took 4 a day. I stayed right around 2-3 pills a day. My tolerance never got higher. I have no idea why. It just didn't. August 13th, 2002 was when I started detoxing from the methadone. It was a VERY hard detox. The withdrawl was nothing like Vicodin or Percocet in my opinion. It lasted much much longer and was extremely painful.
I have never taken sub as you know. So I am not exactly sure which one is the better alternative. I am guessing sub, from some of the success stories I have heard around here. Then again, I have seen people come detoxing pretty bad from suboxone too. Especially those that jump off sub from a 2 mg or higher dose. It seems very simiular to a methadone withdrawl, when you hear others talk about it.
I am just glad I did it and I survived it. Also that I never have to do it again. Well I hope not. I would never touch it unless I was dying and needed to be on it for life. Then I might consider it again. Other than that NO THANKS, I don't think I could handle that kind of pain again.
Jack,
I hope and pray oneday you will be able to get off it. It sounds like that is what you want. It sounds like you have turned your entire life around for the better. Plus, you've done it while taking methadone. You'll know when you are ready. I stayed around 20-30 mgs a day and was able to taper down to 2 1/2 mgs a day before I stopped. My oldest daughter was 11 at the time and my son was 4 years old. It wasn't easy. My mom had to take them for a while. My best friend had me stay with her for 7-8 days. She helped me through it. I did it with a Clonidine patch. If you ever decide to do it, I would hope your doctor would help you more than mine did.
So your going to a clinic? Do they ever talk to your about getting off it? Do they give you take homes? Or do you go there everyday? If I were you I would consider doing the switch from meth to sub. I have a feeling that may be easier for you. Especially if you only planned to use the sub short term 10 weeks or less. You would need to get down to 30 mgs of methadone to swtich but that may be an option for you? Get a plan and go for it.
I hope it all works out when the time is right. It can be done. I am living proof and look at Shelly. She did it too.
Rae
Thanks Rae, I had forgotten how you got on the meth in the first place. You poor thing, god, that must of been hell.
I don't know, but it sure seems like sub would be a better alternative as long as the dr prescribing it really knew what they were doing. Methadone just seems so horrific. I imagine the people on it now look at it as a miracle drug (like the sub) but they haven't tried to get off of yet either. It makes me so grateful to have gone cold turkey and just get it over with.
Have a good night doll...
Lisa
I don't know, but it sure seems like sub would be a better alternative as long as the dr prescribing it really knew what they were doing. Methadone just seems so horrific. I imagine the people on it now look at it as a miracle drug (like the sub) but they haven't tried to get off of yet either. It makes me so grateful to have gone cold turkey and just get it over with.
Have a good night doll...
Lisa
Hi Rae
Yes I get 6 THB,S, a week so I only have to go once a week . Its a 10 minute drive- then an hour later Im at work.
With the new year coming (again) Im already planning with my therapist ,the best plan of attack. I know from past tries that coming off will be the hardest thing I ever go thru- physically and mentally.
Remember your system doesnt have the ability to bounce back as easy as it did when you were 25 or 30- or 40.- Back then you had youth on your side.
Im 50 now,and I got a good idea that Im not going to start getting younger any time soon.
So with a good doctor(not the one at the clinic- he want$ me on forever) and good support ,sometime soon Ill make the 1st move to the sub. Then the next- then the next.-
Thanks for your encouragement,and sharing your positive results- all it helps as its a scary journey to even think about.
muchrespect,
jack
Yes I get 6 THB,S, a week so I only have to go once a week . Its a 10 minute drive- then an hour later Im at work.
With the new year coming (again) Im already planning with my therapist ,the best plan of attack. I know from past tries that coming off will be the hardest thing I ever go thru- physically and mentally.
Remember your system doesnt have the ability to bounce back as easy as it did when you were 25 or 30- or 40.- Back then you had youth on your side.
Im 50 now,and I got a good idea that Im not going to start getting younger any time soon.
So with a good doctor(not the one at the clinic- he want$ me on forever) and good support ,sometime soon Ill make the 1st move to the sub. Then the next- then the next.-
Thanks for your encouragement,and sharing your positive results- all it helps as its a scary journey to even think about.
muchrespect,
jack
That guy thinks he helped his friend by giving him methadone for his depression. It doesn't help with depression, just numbs your feelings for a time. Eventually, he will have to take more and more to get the same affect.
I got hooked on methadone years ago, not knowing the dangers of it. I liked it because it did numb my feelings. Trying to come off of it though has been a nightmare. I have been able to get off of all other opiates but methadone I'm still struggling to get off of. I've tried the taper and to even drop down, maybe I dropped down too fast I don't know, it sends me into a depression, so I'm making calls this morning to find a doctor that will help me get off the methadone and to help with the depression.
I agree that people should only try methadone as a very last resort. If all else has failed, but to hear people put on this stuff to get off of something that doesn't even compare to methadone is crazy. I hear it all the time, they use methadone to get people off of weaker opiates. All about the money.
I got hooked on methadone years ago, not knowing the dangers of it. I liked it because it did numb my feelings. Trying to come off of it though has been a nightmare. I have been able to get off of all other opiates but methadone I'm still struggling to get off of. I've tried the taper and to even drop down, maybe I dropped down too fast I don't know, it sends me into a depression, so I'm making calls this morning to find a doctor that will help me get off the methadone and to help with the depression.
I agree that people should only try methadone as a very last resort. If all else has failed, but to hear people put on this stuff to get off of something that doesn't even compare to methadone is crazy. I hear it all the time, they use methadone to get people off of weaker opiates. All about the money.
Liz,
I just wanted to say I am thinking about you. I have my finger's crossed and will say a prayer you find someone to help you. I know how you've struggled to get off methadone. I wish you nothing but the best. I think I owe you an e-mail? I will send one later today. I have to run Alex to school and get to the gym.
Take care.
Rae
I just wanted to say I am thinking about you. I have my finger's crossed and will say a prayer you find someone to help you. I know how you've struggled to get off methadone. I wish you nothing but the best. I think I owe you an e-mail? I will send one later today. I have to run Alex to school and get to the gym.
Take care.
Rae
Hey Rae,
Yeah, I really need to get off of this crap. Hopefully a doctor can help me do this. Yeah, write me and I will talk with you later, need to get back to school.
Love,
Liz
Yeah, I really need to get off of this crap. Hopefully a doctor can help me do this. Yeah, write me and I will talk with you later, need to get back to school.
Love,
Liz
