Well not literally...but recently ive been up at 4am..most nights i.e getting bout 3 or so hrs.kip a night.Its making my recovery a b****...coz i know a bag or 10 would sort it..and also being addicted to benzos.before i know i could go to my G.P and get sumthin...but knowing my past a month script would be gone in a week.Im physically wrecked but my brain just wont switch off....i know there are over the counter herbal remedies..are they really any good???Im on 70ml.methd.but that aint helping me...i just feel tired at the wrong times...and i try to take it at regular daily times.The temptation is only made worse coz my ma gets valium for muscle pain so i know its there..ive told her to put them away and not give me any even if i beg..she cant spare them anyway...she knows my history only to well and is a great support...but i feel im goin down the drain at times...a yr.clean seems like ..big f***in deal if this is what my clean body is like..i know im doing o.k but i dunno how long i can cope with this sleep loss.At work last week i start at 6am...by 7am im nodding off...they sent me home on a warning by 9am i just couldnt keep it together...of course im para now cause i know drugs were prob.mentioned in there lil redneck whispers....and they had me down as the junkie anyway ...but im giving less of a f*** each day...bad thinking i know.Well its a new day my daughter will be up soon and i hate letting her down by being off with her sumtimes...but im trying...another thing is her mother has been in contact recently...after not being part of her life since she was 2yrs....she nearly 8 now...her mum was an addict also but decided crack and smack were more important...than her kid...she has cleaned up her act a bit but she has let us down numerous times in the past...so Sian isnt really that keen on rekindling any connection...but i would like her to see her mum a lil bit just might be healthy...im really not to sure...im a softie concerning my lil girl so it will prob. be whatever she decides...but i dont want it getting messy if ya get me.Thats my rant over ...jesus only for this site i really dunno...the sum of its parts.Take care all.........Davey
Morning Davey. Sleep has never been a prob for me(touch wood) so i don't know what you're going through, altough i can imagine. A few years ago my mum used to take 'herbal nytol' and they worked for her, but don't know if they wpuld work on top of green. Have you spoke to your doc about it? you'll need to mate,lack of sleep over time f**ks with your state of mind. You're doing great Davey, Sian is lucky to have a dad like you. Good luck for the futba today, Have a good weekend, Kev
Well top o' the morning to ya boys..........it's 3:30AM and I still ain't went to sleep.
Davey, oh the pain of it..........like Kev was saying.........we can empathize of course, but when you are in it.........you're in it.........I'm sorry Davey......it was always the worse part for me when kicking........and I used to flip and it took a really long time to ever get it right.........sorry to tell ya that.
Man, it's like a trick always ain't it?
Davey, too you've had alot of really important life altering things happen to ya lately.........you take it in stride, but it piles up.........your brother's grave blessing............seeing your mom like that..........then you're own pain........plus them dudes at work........you really are dealing with that daily allllll day long..........it'd wreck a weaker man.
NOW, getting to the real McCoy........a nice Irish name for ya..........Davey, Davey this is just me...........not sure even if ya could ya would.......go to like therpy or counseling.........I'd tell me to p*ss off.........I told people asked me to ta p*ss off.............Davey, Sian's mom...........that's HUGE.......it's a HUGE deal Davey...........no matter what way it goes..........you've been her sole support..........her number 1.........you and her............her and you......honestly you were both mother and father to her..............you've done it all.
So, I give ya kudos for even being so civil about this...........I'da been worried sick.............and flipped out.............weather ya think it's making that big an impact, Davey or not...........it is.........all the what if's and the how's and why's.
Thus why I said counseling.........and if ya knock a creep out at work even if ya have healthcare there goes that..............man, I'd like to be in your shop.....hide behind something and jump out and karate chop them sons O'B's....LOL...see, it's the Irish in me I guess......LOL.
Least of your worries them fool arsed dudes anyway.
Let me think of some of the good sleep helpers..........you're no sissy-la-la though, Davey............that sleep deprivation makes one go bats.
***Oh, about the morning........for Sian........if just ONCE........just ONCE you can't make it on your usual lovely Saturday jaunt...........which you always do, Davey...........she'll understand............you need to be well for her.......you never let her down............ever........and she won't be.......she'll understand if ya have to nap a bit.***
Davey, oh the pain of it..........like Kev was saying.........we can empathize of course, but when you are in it.........you're in it.........I'm sorry Davey......it was always the worse part for me when kicking........and I used to flip and it took a really long time to ever get it right.........sorry to tell ya that.
Man, it's like a trick always ain't it?
Davey, too you've had alot of really important life altering things happen to ya lately.........you take it in stride, but it piles up.........your brother's grave blessing............seeing your mom like that..........then you're own pain........plus them dudes at work........you really are dealing with that daily allllll day long..........it'd wreck a weaker man.
NOW, getting to the real McCoy........a nice Irish name for ya..........Davey, Davey this is just me...........not sure even if ya could ya would.......go to like therpy or counseling.........I'd tell me to p*ss off.........I told people asked me to ta p*ss off.............Davey, Sian's mom...........that's HUGE.......it's a HUGE deal Davey...........no matter what way it goes..........you've been her sole support..........her number 1.........you and her............her and you......honestly you were both mother and father to her..............you've done it all.
So, I give ya kudos for even being so civil about this...........I'da been worried sick.............and flipped out.............weather ya think it's making that big an impact, Davey or not...........it is.........all the what if's and the how's and why's.
Thus why I said counseling.........and if ya knock a creep out at work even if ya have healthcare there goes that..............man, I'd like to be in your shop.....hide behind something and jump out and karate chop them sons O'B's....LOL...see, it's the Irish in me I guess......LOL.
Least of your worries them fool arsed dudes anyway.
Let me think of some of the good sleep helpers..........you're no sissy-la-la though, Davey............that sleep deprivation makes one go bats.
***Oh, about the morning........for Sian........if just ONCE........just ONCE you can't make it on your usual lovely Saturday jaunt...........which you always do, Davey...........she'll understand............you need to be well for her.......you never let her down............ever........and she won't be.......she'll understand if ya have to nap a bit.***
I'm the bats one......just re-read Kev's post........never had a sleep problem.
Well Bless you, Kev........I can tell ya parenting even if we never did drugs......it's a straight up insomniac, frenzied, never ending thing.
That's why I'm still up..........imagine an 18 year old girl lived with ya for 17 of them years..........Davey, save for my using and even when I did.......Tres has even said this.......I did my mom duties including like you...........if I was sick my parents were right here............my dad was her world..........now she's out somewhere...........she messaged me............then never answers again......not even real late............I call her father finally he says "She ain't here".......I'm reduced to looking at a myspace picture.
The girl in that picture is NOT my daughter...........the emotion face says drunk and high..............she could be anywhere............it makes me sick.
Well Bless you, Kev........I can tell ya parenting even if we never did drugs......it's a straight up insomniac, frenzied, never ending thing.
That's why I'm still up..........imagine an 18 year old girl lived with ya for 17 of them years..........Davey, save for my using and even when I did.......Tres has even said this.......I did my mom duties including like you...........if I was sick my parents were right here............my dad was her world..........now she's out somewhere...........she messaged me............then never answers again......not even real late............I call her father finally he says "She ain't here".......I'm reduced to looking at a myspace picture.
The girl in that picture is NOT my daughter...........the emotion face says drunk and high..............she could be anywhere............it makes me sick.
http://www.drugs.com/methadone.html
Davey, don't read it all.........it'll make ya crazed, but look under side effects...says insomnia can occur.........watch you be one of the few that happens to.........maybe not I pray.
Bryn i may wonder am i one of the few coz sleep has always been tough for me....the counselling is a good idea and i think i will go that way ...coz ive got a lot a stuff goin on and it aint all positive.On another note did i tell ya Max the hampster passed away...poor Sian was in tears...her and her mates gave him a burial...nice touch....but she cajoled me into getting her a dog....so weve got a nice spanial x...callled Punch....now thats Irish...was gonna called him headbutt...but Sian didnt like that one lol...hes only a pup so thers a bit of work...but the kids are up in the room playing with him now...pure madness...he has pissed on my bed which i thought uncouth of the boy.Also had a marathon session of Monopoly..the new one with credit cards..no cash money and an electic counter...Sian and her mates whooped me and its amazing how quick they pick up all the moves...competative young ladies...wouldnt lend me 200,000gs.The mother angle is a worry coz Sians lived with me and my ma since she can remember.....so we got a routine..a life together..theres trust...i know she dont trust her mum...too many lies and broken promises...bottom line if Sian gets upset all bets are off but im willing to give her mum some access....shes clean so il give it a go.Thats my Sat.so far...im hearing whispers of them wanting to go to the new Bratz movie later i hope its just that...but get a few zzz all the same.
Take care all and have a good weekend...and Bryn..thanks.........Davey
Take care all and have a good weekend...and Bryn..thanks.........Davey
Hey Davey
Methadone has pretty much screwed with my sleep from the beginning.
I usually come home from work and try to do a few things right away ,because if I don't, if I just sit in front of the T.V- -I'll fall asleep from 8pm- to 11 pm. Then I try to fall back asleep until at least 4 am.
At that point (4am) I've slept for 6 or 7 hours ,even though its a fragmented kind of sleep.- not really the best ,or the most restful- - but Ive gotten used to it.
The benzo thing is > hands down worst! If you,ve taken them for many years, I wouldn't try to just stop without a team of freaking doctors around.
A long time ago I went to a hospital that kept me on my mdone,but detoxed me off of all the Valium and Xanax that I was taking. They gave me anti-seizure medicine with some other stuff,.
Anyway, I dont know what time it is here- - when its 4 am over there. Because Im always up at 4 am -NY Time-
Now because I get 6 take home bottles ,it became the routine to drink my bottle and make a cup of coffee at 4 am- So that's another bad routine I got into.
However, I remember looking for a couple of bags at 4AM , so keeping everything in perspective it could be a lot worse,
Gotta go
all the best,
jack
Methadone has pretty much screwed with my sleep from the beginning.
I usually come home from work and try to do a few things right away ,because if I don't, if I just sit in front of the T.V- -I'll fall asleep from 8pm- to 11 pm. Then I try to fall back asleep until at least 4 am.
At that point (4am) I've slept for 6 or 7 hours ,even though its a fragmented kind of sleep.- not really the best ,or the most restful- - but Ive gotten used to it.
The benzo thing is > hands down worst! If you,ve taken them for many years, I wouldn't try to just stop without a team of freaking doctors around.
A long time ago I went to a hospital that kept me on my mdone,but detoxed me off of all the Valium and Xanax that I was taking. They gave me anti-seizure medicine with some other stuff,.
Anyway, I dont know what time it is here- - when its 4 am over there. Because Im always up at 4 am -NY Time-
Now because I get 6 take home bottles ,it became the routine to drink my bottle and make a cup of coffee at 4 am- So that's another bad routine I got into.
However, I remember looking for a couple of bags at 4AM , so keeping everything in perspective it could be a lot worse,
Gotta go
all the best,
jack
" I thought it uncuth of the boy"Quality mate, quality. Davey, My sis is a single mother and is bringing up two kids on her own( my niece's dad died 3 years ago, my nephew's dad is just a *&^*^&*(*(&***) Believe me, i know how hard it is for her to be a mother, father, friend, everything, but she does it. Davey, much respect for you you're doing the same, no matter what happens Sian will always remembner everything you do/ have done. i take my hat off to you!! Hope you get a sleep tonight. Reagrds, Kev
Hey davey, get yourself some valerian, it works a treat, only thing though is that you cannot drink alcohol while you are on it, sends you loopy.
valerian is a sleep aid and detox for Heroin addicts coming off.
Good luck mate.
Karen
valerian is a sleep aid and detox for Heroin addicts coming off.
Good luck mate.
Karen
Davey I am not sure of your history. Looking back on my situation I was very angry as I am hooked on a drug called serequel. But it really helped me and I take another med to help the side effects. For me it works.
Its got awful side effects read about them and dicscuss with doctor. But I was so run down and i have a lo of health issues.
I was really depressed and this serequel has helped with my depression. One doc said I am Bi-polar others say its the prednisone I take daily?
Davey I have never been happier as sleep enables me to live suck a better quality of life. .
Have you discussed trazadone or serequel with your doctor?
Just a suggestion--Jeff
Its got awful side effects read about them and dicscuss with doctor. But I was so run down and i have a lo of health issues.
I was really depressed and this serequel has helped with my depression. One doc said I am Bi-polar others say its the prednisone I take daily?
Davey I have never been happier as sleep enables me to live suck a better quality of life. .
Have you discussed trazadone or serequel with your doctor?
Just a suggestion--Jeff
oh--poor baby and your being so strong--you are a great dad-i wanna come over and play too--but on a more seriouse note--jacks right--its the worst and not a good idea to cold trukey that one--although im not saying go use--its just gonna take time it took me about 2 weeks to feel normal i was taking up to 7 BAR XANAX A day for like 3 months and it wasnt a pretty sight and i also was on methadone wich doesnt alleviate the withdrawl from benzos at al so dont fool yourself and take it too early or dou ble dose in hopes of relief cuz then youll be in double trouble--stick it out and in all likelyhood your daughter is happier to have you sleepy and grumpy than to have yuo high and out of it
Alright..all...my original post may have been slightly misleading..i meant i had been addicted to benzos before...i gave them up when i came off smack bout a yr.ago.So i know that getting any benzo/hypnotic type meds would be bad news as i know a few valium could easily lead to a lapse with the smack.
DF/Jeff thanks for the info i will deff.look into it and also Brit i have heard of that Valerian stuff before so im gonna have a chat with my chemist.
Kev i tried that nytol stuff when i lived in London..quite effective but you cant get them over here.Last night i eventually got a decent nights kip bout 7hrs which is good and i feel better for it but im still tired...would love a lie in,but my daughter gets up bout 7.30am so im up with her...she likes to chill for a bit lil bit of t.v over breakfast..just kids stuff but she likes her dad to have a watch with her...and i enjoy it also ..as long as i dont get too much Hannah Montana..lol!!!!!!!!
And ..Kev...it was rather uncouth of the boy..pissing on me bed...had to go and get the duvet dry cleaned.....glad it made ya laugh.Thanks all.......Davey
DF/Jeff thanks for the info i will deff.look into it and also Brit i have heard of that Valerian stuff before so im gonna have a chat with my chemist.
Kev i tried that nytol stuff when i lived in London..quite effective but you cant get them over here.Last night i eventually got a decent nights kip bout 7hrs which is good and i feel better for it but im still tired...would love a lie in,but my daughter gets up bout 7.30am so im up with her...she likes to chill for a bit lil bit of t.v over breakfast..just kids stuff but she likes her dad to have a watch with her...and i enjoy it also ..as long as i dont get too much Hannah Montana..lol!!!!!!!!
And ..Kev...it was rather uncouth of the boy..pissing on me bed...had to go and get the duvet dry cleaned.....glad it made ya laugh.Thanks all.......Davey
"PUNCH".............EXCELLENT!
Davey, he wants to be the "Alpha Male"........ya have to let him know you're the alpha-male........no joke.......he's marking his territory maybe.......like you think this your bed ol' man........I'mma tinkle on it..........do you guys get "The Dog Whisperer" over there.........I think he has a show......what a puppy...cute i bet!
Well, at least ya know you ain't alone.........ya know Duff I think his name is from Guns&Roses..........recovering heroin addict..........clean for twelve years and goes on tour with "Velvet Revolver"........he got a bottle of Xanies.......he figures finally he'll just take one........next day he took two.........BAM lands him in rehab after twelve years........then again between him and Scott Weiland, and Slash.........somebody had to pick up.......only it weren't Scott!
That's good you'll see a Psych Doctor Davey.........mine ain't a Doctor though....last I was at one of them he wrote me scripts.......mine is a plain old person........LOL..........but it all helps.......can't be a bad thing.
BE CAREFUL..........if you take Valerian.........it's good for the nerves........ya just can't take too much........made me looped......crazed as a loon, but it don't take much of any one thing to do that.........lots of people take it though......Davey, get some B-Complex too............definitely!
Davey, he wants to be the "Alpha Male"........ya have to let him know you're the alpha-male........no joke.......he's marking his territory maybe.......like you think this your bed ol' man........I'mma tinkle on it..........do you guys get "The Dog Whisperer" over there.........I think he has a show......what a puppy...cute i bet!
Well, at least ya know you ain't alone.........ya know Duff I think his name is from Guns&Roses..........recovering heroin addict..........clean for twelve years and goes on tour with "Velvet Revolver"........he got a bottle of Xanies.......he figures finally he'll just take one........next day he took two.........BAM lands him in rehab after twelve years........then again between him and Scott Weiland, and Slash.........somebody had to pick up.......only it weren't Scott!
That's good you'll see a Psych Doctor Davey.........mine ain't a Doctor though....last I was at one of them he wrote me scripts.......mine is a plain old person........LOL..........but it all helps.......can't be a bad thing.
BE CAREFUL..........if you take Valerian.........it's good for the nerves........ya just can't take too much........made me looped......crazed as a loon, but it don't take much of any one thing to do that.........lots of people take it though......Davey, get some B-Complex too............definitely!
Alright all...got 2 nights semi decent sleep..but the insomnia is back been up since 3am...gotta be in work for 6am....feel wrecked now....am gonna get some of that valerian sleep aid today...let ya know how i get on.Take care......Davey
Hey Davey, Did you try the valerian? did it work for you?
Karen
Karen
