It Never Goes Away

The weathers getting nice. People are hanging out at night a little later. My job is getting to be a huge burden.
They are turning to SAP -that's a huge systematic computer change that has required months of pre-training. Now we are to "go live" this week. About 100 Germans are coming over from the main plant to help implement this deal. I know I'm going to be lost,as Im sure many others will be.
All these minor factors- good & bad- are beating on me. Sandy is finally going back to work,she was out for 3 weeks with a torn muscle in her neck.
I ,believe it or not got a jury duty notice(it must be a mistake- - a felony record and all that- -but I took the day off anyway)

Anyway, Im feeling like I want to get real high. Whaddya think of that? I haven't felt like this in a looong time.Im hoping it will pass- Ive been having dreams- - Its a tough time right now being me.
Im sure you all will send notes of support- that cant hurt. I got to get out of this mood.

see ya
jack
..Alrite jack..
..Nuffin wrong in wantin to get high..just try not to actualy go thru with it ?..i get days where i could sit and smoke a kilo of brown in a day the way i feel at times..but as easy as it is to say right now..i just try to soldier on thru the days without using nuffin but the air i breathe..things get tuff and its so easy to turn ya thoughts to using..try see the day out mate if ya can..put sum music on that remind ya of good times clean..its not the gettin high as such..its the coming down to earth that hurts if ya get my meaning ?..i know you know all this..just lettin ya know theres sumone who understands why ya wanna get high..chin up mate ; )..Robbie..
Hi jack.........I know the change of weather for me brings many memories and feelings.....not really of getting high but the memories of doing so.........I think its real good that you can acknowledge this and probably one of the things that will ensure that you wont............My life here is to say the least insane, but i have been blessed to not have any desire t get hgih cos i know that as insane as it is if I get high it will only get worse........and I have the hope that if i dont things will eventually get better............you also know things will only get worse if you get high.........
you r right though, it never goes away........thing is wiht me, i am a creature of habit, and works helps me in this, working the 3-11 shift that i do there is little time to let my mind wander..i work , up al night doing whatever then sleep most of the day until work again..........I do know though that when I dont have work like when i broke my foot, or even just have too much time on my hands.my mnd starts t wander.........a dangerous place for me..............hopefully you can stay busy with work..........maybe for you wiht sandy going back to work and the changes on at your work, its that shift in your schedule that has your head spinning.............We dont speak ne on one here much but I know from reading your posts you r an intelligent guy who seems to have his s*** together......I have faith in you that you will conquer these demons on your back and get past it...........until the next time........always a struggle.........
Here at three yrs clean, i struggle to have fun,do things for myself........something i so rarely do.........lke i said i work and then little else.......try to get my house in order for the baby coming but never just do stuff for me.........in my head I sometimes think that I had my fun, screwed so much up and still so much guilt there that things r how they r because of me......that i often take abuse from others and beat myself up.......just last night dreams of my ex and so much guilt there, woke up with a heavy panicky heart and hate to start the day that way.......
I will keep you in my prayers that these thoughts leave your head.........and now i am off to vote, election day here in philly and i have to choose which conman will do the least harm for my city



Hi Jack - My daughter tells me that using dreams are scary and SO real that it really shakes her confidence. Since she was in her early teens I would sometimes say to her, "It's hard to be you, isn't it?" and she would always just be glad that someone understood. It was never said or asked in a sarcastic way (as some folks do), but in a sincere, empathetic manner. It sounds like it IS hard to be you right now - right now - maybe not so much tomorrow, or in a week. I'll say a prayer for you to just get through that one day everyone's always talking about, and then another one for the day after that, until you can feel, even if you can't actually see, the light at the end of this particular tunnel.

Peace~MomNMore

PS On the stress scale used by professional counselors, a major job shake-up is near the top of the list, as is a family illness. So no wonder you're struggling right now - you've had a two-for-one going this past month.
Jack, Jack.......that's a strong thing to do......come here and let it all out....and ya do know we can comisserate......and M&M, she is great and kind.....and she is sooooooo right........it's not easy being Jack........still ya persevere...every single day..........and you're strong.......but no shame in not soldiering up every second.

Is it too Jack.......like if ya let it just go........it's either crying or using.....I opt for the using, but Tres is correct........only makes it worse.....and then what? Either your guilt will eat ya alive.........or you're back out there......and ya know how fast it goes down hill all this time later.

Jack, is it kind of too..........like what is it all for..........it's for your son, and Sandy and your mom.......you provide......you work so hard.....and you give emotional support.........and then what? I know how ya said too with your mom it's not always like "Leave It To Beaver".........and with your son it's not like well I ain't got a present pretend family to compare it too........"Malcolm In The Middle"..........naw, that'd make you have to obey the mom monster.......and then with Sandy........when you had to in emergency mode you were so there for her.......and loved her through all that frightening time......and NOW what with all this?

WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU????????? Us selfish addicts while clean.......it's all about everyone else....just my opinion.............so ya got it all going on......so, so much.........BUT I have faith you'll figure the day is almost done......night will be here............and hopefully no more dreams.........and back to the next day.

Work, what's the worse can happen a pack of German's all looking like they'll ach tung your a*s.........you're bigger and better than that and do ya know we're some young people's heroes...........we are.........they say that anyone kicks that dope is heroic...........of course that's not a fair assumption.....but to them yeah we are...........YOU ARE!

Bryn bleeds your ear..........better days ahead........and ya know what, Jack.....the weather it is.........has to be........and you guys are all successful and usually motivated and I am a stuck in the mud bug........stagnant and oozing and ugly and about forty times today all I wanted to do was get high....it came right to the forefront.........really bad........but pishaw on that.....then what?

We adore ya Jack.........always are here for us.........and weird how ya couldn't wait for the weather to change, and now spring has sprung and we're wanting to just use............just get high for even a few hours.......too bad it ain't work like that, Jack.........and we all know it.......support, respect, and PLEASE anytime, anyplace, no matter what I'd take a boat train and an taxi to get to ya....Robbie and Tres got e-mails......these the more together of people........but my tail would get organized for ya, Jack.

Hopefully Sandy had a good day..........and things will look up around now....and are ya on jury pretend duty today? No, right ya just got it......they ain't know what they are doing........to cheer ya up we have 149 murders now I think here.......talk about depressing.....but we are alive, Jack.
Dear Jack,

Just wanted you to know that I am praying for you to stay strong against these urges. You have come so far! Remember where it will lead to and who all it will hurt.

Love,
Susan
Don't blow it all now, Jack. It's not worth it. Pretend in your head you just got high, you gave into it, the high is over, NOW how do you feel? Run thru it in your mind, the afterwards. Is it really worth it? NO. You don't want to get back into that downward spiral, DON'T DO IT.

I'm praying for strength for you.
Hi Jack, I wish I had longer to talk to you, but I gotta be brief. There are other ways of getting high. For me, making time to go out for a drive, or a walk - even nicer if it's late in the evening or early in the morning when nobody is about - to a favourite place, somewhere out in the country or by the beach (not hard for me coz I got a view of the sea and the mountains from my kitchen window), but somewhere beautiful and tranquil, and peaceful, and just taking time to drink it all in, and feel totally relaxed, and at peace. Just take time to put all the stresses in your life to one side for a while, to let yourself totally unwind. Breathe. Breathe out all the angst and negativity, and breathe in the tranquility. Let your mind go on a little holiday. Make time for yourself Jack. I know it's hard when your busy busy busy, but even if you just make a little hour for yourself, leave your phone in the house, take a bottle of water, and just relax. Re-charge. Be peaceful.

much love, as always....

diff xxxxxxxxx
Hey Jack... i was just jumping on here real quick so i have not read all reply's to this post yet. I wanted to say I have noticed in a major way when things in "my" life get crazy and stressful i crave so bad it's unreal. Everytime I went to see my mom in the hospital after her cancer surgery I'ld look at her and only want to go get some dope. When my boyfriend and the stresses of a household and 3 kids get to me i wanna run to "mothers little helper". It's such an easy way out.
You know it would cause more problems then it would solve. That one moment of making the stupid decision to use, causes a title wave of more using and more stupid decisions to fuel the fire and you know this!.
I have to make ME time or my head explodes. Every day i go out like a hour no boyfriend no kids I walk the back streets and alley's of my neighborhood alone with my mp3 player it keeps me sane for the most part. I go to the movies and out driving alone when i don't get to have that personal time my cravings get bad. I highly advise giving yourself some time to get your head together do something relaxing.
Jack,
on the 28th of April...i celebrated 20 years clean from a serious alcohol/pot addiction that almost cost me my life..

to this day i aways state i am a recovering addict...never recovered..all i have is today and just trying to get through one day at a time...even after all this clean time can still be a struggle..

i still have dreams about drinking that seem so real that i am riddled with guilt upon awakening and have to convince myself that i indeed did not actually take a drink in my sleep somehow.

i know you have heard this before...that the addiction is really the physical manifestation of the real emotional battle that was waging war beneath the surface.

your thoughts of using is just an addict's natural response to stress or an emotional matter that has been failed to be identified nor addressed....nothing to feel overly alarmed about or consumed with guilt...kinda like Pavlov's dog....or a dieter wanting chocolate in reaction to some personal slight perhaps suffered that day..

Jack...it isn't really about using....it goes deeper than that but sometimes it easier and more impulsive to reach for the toxic familiar rather then face or accept the emotional unknown..

hate to mention that old rake of an ex bf...but i made the mistake of telling him that sometimes i doubted whether i could make another 20 years of clean time or even would want to....first thing he does is offer me a hit of his joint (which of course i didn't indulge in).

it is great that you can come here and cast pride aside and reveal
to others that you are feeling a little 'slippery' and we will grab you
while you struggle so you won't slip and fall...

luv MARY
Ya know- - I took at least one thing from each one of you. Guess what happened - nothing. I stayed home , & got over it.
I guess it wasn't really about wanted to get high(otherwise I would have)- It was just I dont have enough positive outlets for all the stress that come with a normal life. Ill tell ya though, it shows ya how easy it is to f**k up. If I talked to the wrong person or was in a different place the result could have been different.

Anyway its a new day- -I feel OK- Didnt sleep much. However,the bottom line is that I went through those old feelings ( the ones that really dont go away) and came out OK.

Thanks to all
We,ll talk later-( I gotta get going to that job of mine-that's a whole other ball of stress)
much love
jack
Jack, I know we've spoken about this before (I'm laughing now, coz instead of my voice in my head, I can hear my psychiatrists voice. LOL! I've just realised how funny that sounds. Talk about the blind leading the blind!!!). Anyway, where were we? Oh yeah. Your job. Jack, you hate that job. Over the years we've been friends, you keep coming back to the same thing. I know change can be hard when you've got an addiction, coz sometimes it's like all the parts that make up our lives are all in a delicate balance, and that's what's holding us together, and if you change one thing, the whole shebang could come tumbling down like a house of cards. Again, I know that you've got so much going on that you probably don't feel like you have time to work on a master plan, but I think you should try. Your confidence is probably low, because us addicts, no matter how hard we work etc, tend to feel substandard, like we're just waiting for everybody else to notice how useless and depraved we are, and cast us out into the wilderness. But you are a little star Jack, you're one of nicest people I've ever "met", you've got intelligence, kindness, compassion. You're definately smarter than the average bear!

I know you got dreams. Why don't you seriously take stock and find out if it's feasible, and if it's currently a bit out of reach, then make a little "life inventory" and find out what you need to do to make it possible. Just remember that on your death bed, you won't regret what you have done, you'll regret the things that you haven't done.

take care my friend

love

Diff xxx
Jack I'm so proud of you. Resisting it this time will make it easier to resist it the next time. WAY TO GO!!!!
No flies on you, Jack.

How's about YOGA........bike riding.........belly dancing?

Thought is the highest vibration...........yeah so that Yogi dude says.....I'mma believe that too, Jack.........like Diff was saying about "Dreams".......what is your dream..........what do ya find pleasurable......what thrill ya?

I bet nothing.......I noticed that about recovering addicts including myself......they asked me that on an intake the other day........I go "Nothing".

Good lookout though, Jack.........ya did good.....wanna be my partner for ballroom dancing.........If Liza Gibbons and Emitt Smith can do it so can we.
Dear Jack,

I'm more proud of you than these words can convey. I hope somehow you know that. Way to go!

Love,
Susan
Morning

I have to say,that the 2 people that I believe know me the best have it pegged.
Yes Diff, you and I have spoke about my job and the stress & all the responsibilities that come with that position. Of course,I never really admitted how right you are .
Bryn you as well have got me pegged - yes I dont spend any of my time trying to achieve any dreams of mine ,no matter how small or out of reach it they seem.

Both of these issues I believe can be tracked to my self-esteem. My job> I,ve had for 10 plus years. I take a lot of pride in what Ive accomplished, and my self esteem( although fragile) is very high when I think about all that I,ve done and other people actually count on me for their jobs .
However, on the other hand ,my self confidence during this huge systematic change has taken a hit- and I am beginning to doubt myself & my overall drive to succeed at this level. I,ve never made more money in my life (legally). I guess because of this,Ive acquired a certain lifestyle that could never be maintained without an income like the one Im getting. I,venever been one to care about material things or a cash flow They were always low on of my list, but over the last few years I have to say- Ive been the capitalist that I used to rail against.
The hypocrisy of this bothers me.
I,ll get back later - because once again work beckons-

Bryn- yes I really havent attemptted to achieve the dreams ,that while in my younger days-I would ve been going for- head first. Your right in what you wrote- as I should "slow down- smell the roses, and arrange my priorities to help achieve what I really want in life.
Again I want to get back to this- but I have to go. Dont want to be late !

So look for me to continue to explore myself ,with your help, maybe I can get over these bumps in the road a bit easier if I learn to be more honest with myself and not worry so much about change . Changes that I should look into if I want to lead a happier life. I,ve been happier with so much less- - I know I could be again. Not that Im going the Siddhartha route- - BUT -it is time for a moral inventory.
thanks-

talk later
muchlove
'jack

Siddhartha? Sounds like a plan for me and I don't know what it is.

Jack, I got more thoughts to go into the stew. Meanwhile I will consult my new and very perky therapist I am like loving. Maybe her insight will be universal.

Would this Siddhartha have anything to do with giving up all our "stuff"? Anyway I like the fact you're OUR Jack and nobody at that imperial capatilism all things new and better career knows this person. Dude, ya got a double life. That's cool.

Hang in there, Jack. You know we all care for ya heaps and for you I'd give up my ever growing fighting cocks collection, and my National Enquirer.
Hey Jack, maybe you owe yourself a bit of capitalist materialism. Sometimes it's nice to have money. I guess I'm not the right person to talk to, coz I've hardly got two pennies to rub together, but as far as having "stuff" goes, I've never been happier. So many people work in jobs they can't stand just to earn more money to buy more stuff, and then they need a big house to put all their stuff in, and they work and work, and look forward to their retirement, but die before they get a chance to enjoy it. Having given up slaving for "the man", I'd never go back to it. I'm much happier just being poor, and not having to be nice to a bunch of pricks. I'm not saying I don't enjoy working. I loved working in sales - had an absolute ball, loved every day - but I had a boss who didn't give a toss what we did, as long as we made money. But I loathed working for NTL. Those knobs just don't know what's important in life, and you gotta spend 40 hours a week kowtowing to 'em. So bollocks to it! On those hot summer days, when I'm lying on the river bank, dangling my feet in the water and having a smoke and a cold one, I thank my lucky stars that I'm poor and free, not stuck in the air conditioned office, looking out the window at my car in the carpark, and wishing that I was in it, with the windows down and the wind in my hair, and a long long way from there!

Take care my friend.

love as always

diff xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Siddartha by Herman Hesse. A sort of biography of Siddartha whose life parallels the Buddha's and takes place during the Buddha's lifetime. Very easy and interesting read for those curious and interested about Buddhist teaching and philosophy. Even if your HP is Jesus, the philosophical bent of Buddhism is all about letting go, mindfulness, and lovingkindness (one word in Buddhism). The thing I like best about Buddhism is that you get points for trying, even if you don't get it right. Two of my sisters are practicing Buddhists and they are the most at-peace people I know.

Peace~N'amaste~MomNMore
Thanks M&M.............I'm going to check that out.........I like the philosophy of Hinduism as well......Self-Realization and all.

Thanks again..........Jack hope the weekend was good.