Alright all,firstly seeing one of the threads about Tmans situation is locked..i would just like to back up(not that he needs it)Robbie&what he said...i totally agree with him.Its Tmans choice at the end of the day..if he is really serious..no amount of cajoling will change that.As he said himself he likes a bit of drama...well hes certainly created enough of that...which i personally think is that ..just drama.Remember his post bout his registered chemist watering down his meth....and the bold steps Tman was gonna take to out this man..DRAMA!...or the one bout beheading people who abused their kids...Tman needs a reality check...then we go to him saying how great we all are etc..I know the bloke has his demons..but in my honest opinion...hes going on bout how he misses his son ...then is paranoid bout ans.his phone just incase the voice of his boy would maybe stop him wallowing in self pity.I certainly dont mean to knock anyone but these are the facts...it seems like hes taking the piss..outta people who have a genuine regard for him..myself included.Its like hes on some show to see who can be most f***ed up.
I lost my younger bro to drugs...and to see the pain that death inflicted on me&my mum and his mates..was just dreadful..i would give anything to have him back and sometimes wish i had swapped places with him.Sorry for going on but i dont think it healthy to focus too much Tmans ups&downs..coz as Robbie said..a lot of it seems bulls***.Again i really dont wanna be harsh but im just a bit sick of it all.Take care that includes Tman as well....Davey
Appreciate your honesty and I understand where you are coming from Davey. I just feel so sad to hear someone talk about things like that. I have personally gone through all this sh*t with my partner for the last 3 months and I know its not nice and you need as much support as you can and if you dont have anyone around to help you through it then you feel more alone which pushes you more over the edge.
Anyway I agree that its his choice and there is nothing more that anyone can do. We have gave support and now its his choice. Whether he chooses to go to the other side or whether he chooses to face his demons and fight the devil, Lets just pray he makes the right decision and is happy whatever that may be.
Anyway enough said.
Take care...Love BunnyRocker xx
Anyway I agree that its his choice and there is nothing more that anyone can do. We have gave support and now its his choice. Whether he chooses to go to the other side or whether he chooses to face his demons and fight the devil, Lets just pray he makes the right decision and is happy whatever that may be.
Anyway enough said.
Take care...Love BunnyRocker xx
Davey,
I have been watching this from the balcony and I found it odd that in one breath this was the best site ever and the folk here rocked THEN based on Mary's post it was time to finalize it all. I want to be bold enough to give him the benfit of the doubt and say that he is genuiene in his troubles because it would be a shame to waste prayers, concerns, well wishes, and heartfelt messages on someone who is just blowing smoke up the @$S. I hear both you and Robbie loud and clear! ATB!
I have been watching this from the balcony and I found it odd that in one breath this was the best site ever and the folk here rocked THEN based on Mary's post it was time to finalize it all. I want to be bold enough to give him the benfit of the doubt and say that he is genuiene in his troubles because it would be a shame to waste prayers, concerns, well wishes, and heartfelt messages on someone who is just blowing smoke up the @$S. I hear both you and Robbie loud and clear! ATB!
only tinman knows how tinman really feels - but in any case its still a cry for help from someone who needs help.
This site and many of us are ill equipped to deal with any threat of suicide.
I know this is hard, many here have lost those they love who have taken their lives, to soon. I would be one of those people. It is a waste of a precious gift, and yet it is that persons life to choose to do what they want with it. Addiction and suicide are fairly common partners, using, getting clean..You guys here all know this hell, where the drugs destroy all logic reason. Where those same drugs tell lie after lie..
No one knows what to say when someone says I want to die. Many go by what they lived, the pain they felt.all those unanswered questions. And frankly I bet most here have said those same things, and not out of a creation of drama, not out of even wanting an end. It is a reaction based on many emotions and so personal
This is from the national suicide prevention lifeline. I understand there is a big gap between many of us as we are scattered about this great wide world. But this is something that we may need one day just because of where we sit in the mix of things.......
Here Are Some Other Ways To Be Helpful to Someone Who Is Threatening Suicide:*
Be direct. Talk openly and matter-of-factly about suicide.
Be willing to listen. Allow expressions of feelings. Accept the feelings.
Be non-judgmental. Don't debate whether suicide is right or wrong, or whether feelings are good or bad. Don't lecture on the value of life.
Get involved. Become available. Show interest and support.
Don't dare him or her to do it.
Don't act shocked. This will put distance between you.
Don't be sworn to secrecy. Seek support.
Offer hope that alternatives are available but do not offer glib reassurance.
Take action. Remove means, such as guns or stockpiled pills.
Get help from persons or agencies specializing in crisis intervention and suicide prevention.
Be Aware of Feelings:*
Many people at some time in their lives think about suicide. Most decide to live because they eventually come to realize that the crisis is temporary and death is permanent. On the other hand, people having a crisis sometimes perceive their dilemma as inescapable and feel an utter loss of control. These are some of the feelings and thoughts they experience:
Can't stop the pain
Can't think clearly
Can't make decisions
Can't see any way out
Can't sleep, eat or work
Can't get out of depression
Can't make the sadness go away
Can't see a future without pain
Can't see themselves as worthwhile
Can't get someone's attention
Can't seem to get control
If you experience these feelings, get help! If someone you know exhibits these symptoms, offer help!
http://www.suicidepreventionlifelin...elp/friend.aspx
May god watch us all....
Love,
Tina
I know this is hard, many here have lost those they love who have taken their lives, to soon. I would be one of those people. It is a waste of a precious gift, and yet it is that persons life to choose to do what they want with it. Addiction and suicide are fairly common partners, using, getting clean..You guys here all know this hell, where the drugs destroy all logic reason. Where those same drugs tell lie after lie..
No one knows what to say when someone says I want to die. Many go by what they lived, the pain they felt.all those unanswered questions. And frankly I bet most here have said those same things, and not out of a creation of drama, not out of even wanting an end. It is a reaction based on many emotions and so personal
This is from the national suicide prevention lifeline. I understand there is a big gap between many of us as we are scattered about this great wide world. But this is something that we may need one day just because of where we sit in the mix of things.......
Here Are Some Other Ways To Be Helpful to Someone Who Is Threatening Suicide:*
Be direct. Talk openly and matter-of-factly about suicide.
Be willing to listen. Allow expressions of feelings. Accept the feelings.
Be non-judgmental. Don't debate whether suicide is right or wrong, or whether feelings are good or bad. Don't lecture on the value of life.
Get involved. Become available. Show interest and support.
Don't dare him or her to do it.
Don't act shocked. This will put distance between you.
Don't be sworn to secrecy. Seek support.
Offer hope that alternatives are available but do not offer glib reassurance.
Take action. Remove means, such as guns or stockpiled pills.
Get help from persons or agencies specializing in crisis intervention and suicide prevention.
Be Aware of Feelings:*
Many people at some time in their lives think about suicide. Most decide to live because they eventually come to realize that the crisis is temporary and death is permanent. On the other hand, people having a crisis sometimes perceive their dilemma as inescapable and feel an utter loss of control. These are some of the feelings and thoughts they experience:
Can't stop the pain
Can't think clearly
Can't make decisions
Can't see any way out
Can't sleep, eat or work
Can't get out of depression
Can't make the sadness go away
Can't see a future without pain
Can't see themselves as worthwhile
Can't get someone's attention
Can't seem to get control
If you experience these feelings, get help! If someone you know exhibits these symptoms, offer help!
http://www.suicidepreventionlifelin...elp/friend.aspx
May god watch us all....
Love,
Tina
I can't help but stick my nose in! You know, I think some people actually like being heroin addicts. They like it coz it's different, it's rock and roll, it means that your FUBAR'd, and let's not forget "heroin chic". They like the fact that heroin is a sub culture all on it's own, and it's a badge of how far out you are. Some people are so insecure about their identity that they readily latch onto the under ground club that is heroin addiction. They like the fact that they feel they've got something gritty to whinge about. I bet to some people, who haven't tried heroin, or who are new to the whole scene, it can sound a bit exotic and exciting, living in such a way. Maybe I even felt that way myself, when I first got into heroin. All the dodgy dealing, and mixing with all these rufty-tufty drug dealers.
But we're all old heads here. And you can't s*** a s***ter! Most people who post here fell out of love with the heroin scene long ago. Some of us have gotten clean, some of us are on scripts, some of us are still struggling with the drug. But just about all of us realised ages ago that there's nothing glamorous about heroin, and it certainly doesn't make you "special". Any damned fool can be a heroin addict - it certainly doesn't demand any special qualities (LMAO!!!). And none of us would advertise our addiction, coz you can be sure that we all know it's the worst of us, and we don't like to brag about that.
Hey, we all wish we were dead sometimes. Being a suicide case doesn't make you special either. It just makes you dead. Someone here (was it you Mary?) said "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem." A friend of ours committed suicide a few weeks ago. I was so angry at him that I refused to go to the funeral. Yes, I felt sad that he was dead, but I also felt "what a total dickhead!" Does that make me callous? Or maybe I'm just an old head who's seen far too many unnecessary deaths, and gone to far too many funerals.
love
Diff xxx
But we're all old heads here. And you can't s*** a s***ter! Most people who post here fell out of love with the heroin scene long ago. Some of us have gotten clean, some of us are on scripts, some of us are still struggling with the drug. But just about all of us realised ages ago that there's nothing glamorous about heroin, and it certainly doesn't make you "special". Any damned fool can be a heroin addict - it certainly doesn't demand any special qualities (LMAO!!!). And none of us would advertise our addiction, coz you can be sure that we all know it's the worst of us, and we don't like to brag about that.
Hey, we all wish we were dead sometimes. Being a suicide case doesn't make you special either. It just makes you dead. Someone here (was it you Mary?) said "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem." A friend of ours committed suicide a few weeks ago. I was so angry at him that I refused to go to the funeral. Yes, I felt sad that he was dead, but I also felt "what a total dickhead!" Does that make me callous? Or maybe I'm just an old head who's seen far too many unnecessary deaths, and gone to far too many funerals.
love
Diff xxx
Whew.......I ain't around for about a minute and all heckubah's running mad wild.
I'mma study Tina's link.........I've known people that were just as TinMan is now.
I also known people total opposite.........all did commit suicide.
I know that nobody wants to feel used.....and more important like Davey said if your loved one has passed and truly wanted to live well this would make ya angry.....like Diff and her friend recently.
Still though I can remember the pain..........uncertainty.......suicide ideation....and the schocker while I'M in a detox to find my beloved friend sat in her car and proceeded to kill herself.........this a person so giving, full oflife, funny, and so very loved by many.......I never would have thought she'd ever do such a thing........she spoke of it, but then our dope would arrive and well ya don't want to be dead when ya can get high........but yes she did and the world is Blessed she was saved.........and under 24/7 watch with a nurse by her bed the entire time she was in the hospital.
TinMan is pained I do know that........in my heart I think it's shame and guilt......and I'll effectively kick his arse if he don't knock it off......he can write beautifully and his words come from agony.......we all have been there....we're just not dramatic I guess........and we don't worry eachother......and Ilove you guys.........all of you.......you helped me immensely.....now it's my prayer he can join us.
I'mma study Tina's link.........I've known people that were just as TinMan is now.
I also known people total opposite.........all did commit suicide.
I know that nobody wants to feel used.....and more important like Davey said if your loved one has passed and truly wanted to live well this would make ya angry.....like Diff and her friend recently.
Still though I can remember the pain..........uncertainty.......suicide ideation....and the schocker while I'M in a detox to find my beloved friend sat in her car and proceeded to kill herself.........this a person so giving, full oflife, funny, and so very loved by many.......I never would have thought she'd ever do such a thing........she spoke of it, but then our dope would arrive and well ya don't want to be dead when ya can get high........but yes she did and the world is Blessed she was saved.........and under 24/7 watch with a nurse by her bed the entire time she was in the hospital.
TinMan is pained I do know that........in my heart I think it's shame and guilt......and I'll effectively kick his arse if he don't knock it off......he can write beautifully and his words come from agony.......we all have been there....we're just not dramatic I guess........and we don't worry eachother......and Ilove you guys.........all of you.......you helped me immensely.....now it's my prayer he can join us.
Suicide is not chosen; it happens
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain.
Tinman
I'm still confused about all this sh*t going back & forth ,but regardless believe the pain of a junkie is very real. I hope you can get some help sharpening the resources needed to cope . I'm not a 12 step guy but when they talk about "dealing with life on life's terms" its all about being able to cope.
Hoping you get everything sorted out,
jack
please don't send me notes telling me I'm insensitive we all know people who choose this way out- - but -
>a little levity>
By the sewer I lived ,by the sewer I died.
They said it was murder -but it was sewer-cide.
come on bro- smile just a little, you can get through these feelings.
keepintouch
jack
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain.
Tinman
I'm still confused about all this sh*t going back & forth ,but regardless believe the pain of a junkie is very real. I hope you can get some help sharpening the resources needed to cope . I'm not a 12 step guy but when they talk about "dealing with life on life's terms" its all about being able to cope.
Hoping you get everything sorted out,
jack
please don't send me notes telling me I'm insensitive we all know people who choose this way out- - but -
>a little levity>
By the sewer I lived ,by the sewer I died.
They said it was murder -but it was sewer-cide.
come on bro- smile just a little, you can get through these feelings.
keepintouch
jack
