Rough month on the detox side and I am not the one detoxing. What the hell do you tell someone who is depressed and hopeless. He keeps trying to kick the same way with methadone that he buys on the street. He cant get off the sofa and is miserable. I mean cant even get himself water.
Hello, why wont he go to rehab or anything else? I finally succomed and snapped to his depression and flew the coop. Our one bedroom apartment is not a detox and I am not equipped to deal with depression.
He says he never heard of anyone getting beyond this. He said the only answer was death or jail.
That is how he feels when quitting and using methadone. I thought methadone (which I DO NOT advocate getting on the street) was supposed to help.
Any suggestions for this? I told him to get an anti-depressant. No. Cant do that. This man has a rebuttle for everyting. But than he is reasonable. But than he is not again. I think he needs sub because nothing else will work but I am afraid he will die on sub if he uses on top.
I am just worn silly.
I wish I could think of someone who could get through to him.
Its become a 4 day per month nightmare of quitting and than using. And when he uses he whistles and sings and wont shut up. I cant even sleep because he is up and down and out of the room and back and fourth and so on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My anxiety is so high I may as well do drugs myself.
It is his responsibility to get clean, and yours not to help him use. Why are you putting yourself through this?
Hi
Kicking dope with street mdone is just about impossible . I dont meen to bum you out but iVe been on a mdone program for many years. I see people who try to detox thru the clinic(2-5 mgs a month) and they have a low success rate.
As far as people buying street mdone the success rate must be even lower.
First of all,its not regulated,so unless you REALLY trust the source ,you dont know how much your getting. Second,without any counseling or meetings - the depression is overwelming. Dont forget ,he is used to the rush - the heroin high. Mdone gives you none of that . It simply takes away the sickness -not the urges.
It will also make you very meloncoly in the beginning. Youre used to hussling around -now you simply drink and get lazy. It took me a long time before I felt comfortable with being on mdone and giving up the heroin scene.
The key for me was to get involved with healthy activities- from working,to going to meetings, volounteer work- anything to get off the couch and be active. I mean if the dose is keeping him from getting sick he should be out and about doing positive activities. Very very hard to do after living the life of an active addict.
Many will tell you to move to a sub detox. That might be the way to go when your doing street methadone. Its not built up in your system like it would be if you were drinking 80 mgs at a clinic every day for a long time.
Talk to a addiction specialist- trying to detox ,or maintain with street mdone is tuff ,never mind dangerous.
I feel for him- cause even though he may not feel to bad- the urges- the feeling of loss(the dope) are powerful.
keep in touch
peace,
jack
Kicking dope with street mdone is just about impossible . I dont meen to bum you out but iVe been on a mdone program for many years. I see people who try to detox thru the clinic(2-5 mgs a month) and they have a low success rate.
As far as people buying street mdone the success rate must be even lower.
First of all,its not regulated,so unless you REALLY trust the source ,you dont know how much your getting. Second,without any counseling or meetings - the depression is overwelming. Dont forget ,he is used to the rush - the heroin high. Mdone gives you none of that . It simply takes away the sickness -not the urges.
It will also make you very meloncoly in the beginning. Youre used to hussling around -now you simply drink and get lazy. It took me a long time before I felt comfortable with being on mdone and giving up the heroin scene.
The key for me was to get involved with healthy activities- from working,to going to meetings, volounteer work- anything to get off the couch and be active. I mean if the dose is keeping him from getting sick he should be out and about doing positive activities. Very very hard to do after living the life of an active addict.
Many will tell you to move to a sub detox. That might be the way to go when your doing street methadone. Its not built up in your system like it would be if you were drinking 80 mgs at a clinic every day for a long time.
Talk to a addiction specialist- trying to detox ,or maintain with street mdone is tuff ,never mind dangerous.
I feel for him- cause even though he may not feel to bad- the urges- the feeling of loss(the dope) are powerful.
keep in touch
peace,
jack
Silent partner...I know it is his responsibility and I do not try to control it. It is just hard watching someone get so depressed and I was wondering what I could find out. I do plan to move shortly. I have spent so much money lately on business and personal stuff that it is hard to pay office rent and than two apartments. Also not that excited about having to leave my home and my boyfriend. He is not going to be the first one to leave so that is on me at this point.
Jack, Thanks. That is what I had suspected. He is getting pill form not liquid. I have no clue how much he is taking but is not sick this weekend and it is day 2. I suspect he could get sick tomorrow. Last week said if he leaves the house he will go get drugs and that is what he did. I dont see the methadone helping if he has to stay home from work and outside for the rest of his life.
He hates meetings and says they make him want to use more. He says he hears the sad stories, thinks of what a loser he has become and than wants to use to take away the pain.
I dont see an end to this. Does suboxone take away more of the urge than this other stuff? I think you really have to want to be clean to stop. I think he sees the drug as a problem until he wants it really bad and than sees it as a solution. I know when he uses because you are right he is walking around singing and whistling and wants a hug and he's all happy and even the cats are just so fascinating.
The cats are not fascinating to him tonight. He is just sucked into the television. I either cant shut him up or cant get a word out of him.
This sucks for everyone involved.
I wish he would come on here. I may print out your post for him. Anyone who has any thoughts for him I will print them up this week.
Thanks,
Jack, Thanks. That is what I had suspected. He is getting pill form not liquid. I have no clue how much he is taking but is not sick this weekend and it is day 2. I suspect he could get sick tomorrow. Last week said if he leaves the house he will go get drugs and that is what he did. I dont see the methadone helping if he has to stay home from work and outside for the rest of his life.
He hates meetings and says they make him want to use more. He says he hears the sad stories, thinks of what a loser he has become and than wants to use to take away the pain.
I dont see an end to this. Does suboxone take away more of the urge than this other stuff? I think you really have to want to be clean to stop. I think he sees the drug as a problem until he wants it really bad and than sees it as a solution. I know when he uses because you are right he is walking around singing and whistling and wants a hug and he's all happy and even the cats are just so fascinating.
The cats are not fascinating to him tonight. He is just sucked into the television. I either cant shut him up or cant get a word out of him.
This sucks for everyone involved.
I wish he would come on here. I may print out your post for him. Anyone who has any thoughts for him I will print them up this week.
Thanks,
Jen does that go for me as well....
Will you show him what I have to say?
Love Yah!
Will you show him what I have to say?
Love Yah!
Jen, I am so, so, so sorry you're still going through it.
Tina has wisedom. She definately could help I believe.
Me? I'd say "See you? You miserable man. It's not ALL about YOU! Now knock it the hell off, and give this woman that loves you some peace".
Except, Jen he needs to love him. He needs the peace. If anything comes from this I'd have to say you are one of the most patient, understanding, tortured souls I know, Jen. Your strength is unsurmountable. Big word. The only other strenght that'd be bigger is to leave or make him leave. I know you won't do that.
That methadone in my opinion off the street made me more depressed. It gets expensive, and I could not kick off of it and kicking the heroin was easier. It's a viscious circle as you have seen. It's a lie to ourselves. Often the attention is very good, and we truly start it as "I'm kicking at home. On my own. I have X amount of this done, and I will taper myself". You have seen the aftermath of it, Jen. It almost always ends/begins that way.
Tina has wisedom. She definately could help I believe.
Me? I'd say "See you? You miserable man. It's not ALL about YOU! Now knock it the hell off, and give this woman that loves you some peace".
Except, Jen he needs to love him. He needs the peace. If anything comes from this I'd have to say you are one of the most patient, understanding, tortured souls I know, Jen. Your strength is unsurmountable. Big word. The only other strenght that'd be bigger is to leave or make him leave. I know you won't do that.
That methadone in my opinion off the street made me more depressed. It gets expensive, and I could not kick off of it and kicking the heroin was easier. It's a viscious circle as you have seen. It's a lie to ourselves. Often the attention is very good, and we truly start it as "I'm kicking at home. On my own. I have X amount of this done, and I will taper myself". You have seen the aftermath of it, Jen. It almost always ends/begins that way.
I just came upon this board after perusing another board having to with Bup. treatment. With that said, you have my sympathy, Jen, with respect to your boyfriend's using habits.
Does he want to get off the meth. for good or does he take the four-day breaks because he runs out of money or simply because he is trying to use sheer will power to quit the meth. and four days is all he can tolerate?
I am guessing he obtains methadone from the streets for the sake of convenience and because he can get it more often? It doesn't seem very appealing to have to stand in lines, sometimes in the early morning or on holidays, to get it via the traditional means. Yet - as the people on this thread have already advised - street meth. seems a risky proposition, not to mention an expensive one.
Does your boyfriend want to give up the meth for good or has he accepted that he will be using it as a maintenance drug, possibly for life? If he is willing to try to get off meth I wonder if his body would be able to accept a drug like bup. if he is four days off meth? Would four days off meth. be long enough to make the transition to bupronephrine? How much meth. does he admit to taking?
Jen, I am sorry to read of your predicament. It's no fun living with a person who is a slave to his drugs or drink. BUT I was wondering if your boyfriend ever expresses a desire to enter a treatment program? And if he did express that intention would you be willing to see him off? In other words, could you bear to be apart from him for at least 30 days?
Does he want to get off the meth. for good or does he take the four-day breaks because he runs out of money or simply because he is trying to use sheer will power to quit the meth. and four days is all he can tolerate?
I am guessing he obtains methadone from the streets for the sake of convenience and because he can get it more often? It doesn't seem very appealing to have to stand in lines, sometimes in the early morning or on holidays, to get it via the traditional means. Yet - as the people on this thread have already advised - street meth. seems a risky proposition, not to mention an expensive one.
Does your boyfriend want to give up the meth for good or has he accepted that he will be using it as a maintenance drug, possibly for life? If he is willing to try to get off meth I wonder if his body would be able to accept a drug like bup. if he is four days off meth? Would four days off meth. be long enough to make the transition to bupronephrine? How much meth. does he admit to taking?
Jen, I am sorry to read of your predicament. It's no fun living with a person who is a slave to his drugs or drink. BUT I was wondering if your boyfriend ever expresses a desire to enter a treatment program? And if he did express that intention would you be willing to see him off? In other words, could you bear to be apart from him for at least 30 days?
Tina, I told you spit it out.
Everyone else.. I left this week, got an apartment, he was reasonable, humble, bummed but not selfish. Something went wrong with apartment and with me and I am back.
Bryn, I am not strong or I would say screw it and leave.
Everyone else..This man is good at heart. He is trying but not the way we would want him to. I have never let him in on this board and I am willing to now based on his efforts and lack of money is an issue. But he knows he cant live like this.
He is worth at least some education that I can not give because I am not and have not been there. He thinks no one can kick this even for a while becausae he knows no one who has. Please for me..not him..or for him..if he was you at one point..post your experience and advice.
Slient partner..I am not putting myself through much more than one effort on this site to show him who is here. He is not very into the computer but maybe that will change. Maybe not. Maybe he will see why he is not winning this way. Maybe he will ruin his life.
Either way if you have been there. I have been here 2 years and need your posts because for once I am strong enough to print them and give them to him.
God bless. I am out of answers. This is my last hope. He is on the methadone again. It is every 4 days. He went nine a few weeks ago. I feel he could really do this if he saw past the normal blocks. And trust me I dont give out credit very often these days.
Thanks.
Jen
Everyone else.. I left this week, got an apartment, he was reasonable, humble, bummed but not selfish. Something went wrong with apartment and with me and I am back.
Bryn, I am not strong or I would say screw it and leave.
Everyone else..This man is good at heart. He is trying but not the way we would want him to. I have never let him in on this board and I am willing to now based on his efforts and lack of money is an issue. But he knows he cant live like this.
He is worth at least some education that I can not give because I am not and have not been there. He thinks no one can kick this even for a while becausae he knows no one who has. Please for me..not him..or for him..if he was you at one point..post your experience and advice.
Slient partner..I am not putting myself through much more than one effort on this site to show him who is here. He is not very into the computer but maybe that will change. Maybe not. Maybe he will see why he is not winning this way. Maybe he will ruin his life.
Either way if you have been there. I have been here 2 years and need your posts because for once I am strong enough to print them and give them to him.
God bless. I am out of answers. This is my last hope. He is on the methadone again. It is every 4 days. He went nine a few weeks ago. I feel he could really do this if he saw past the normal blocks. And trust me I dont give out credit very often these days.
Thanks.
Jen
Hi there. I never liked meetings and i tried buying stuff on the streets to detox with but it never worked until i was 100% ready to do it. I wanted to quit for ages but i wasn't really ready. That might sound messed up but when you are on the gear you know it is bad, you feel like crap and you just want to quit. Doing it is a totaly diffrent thing. I have only ever been to 1 NA meeting and it made me want to use so bad. I also had a 1 on 1 councilor and i got on much better there. Everyone is diffrent so you can't knock one person for doing things there way - IF IT WORKS. It doesn't sound like his plan is working so i think it is time to try something else. I would sugest subutex myself, but tell him he has to talk to someone - a doctor or drug worker - just talk to 1 person. No group meetings or whatever, just get him to admit his problem to someone other than you and take it from there. It can be done and it is easyer than you would think, you just have to be commited.
Hi Jen,
I have and am still going through this with my man as you already know. I am sorry. I know how hard it is to feel so helpless in these situations. I feel for you. Just suggest he see a doctor, or maybe have a doctor come to him if that is at all possible. It sounds like he is in desperate need of some sort of medical attention, if for nothing else, but just to educate him on the options out there available to him. There are quite a few people on these boards who have quit successfully. He just needs to know that it IS possible.
Good luck. Take Care.
I have and am still going through this with my man as you already know. I am sorry. I know how hard it is to feel so helpless in these situations. I feel for you. Just suggest he see a doctor, or maybe have a doctor come to him if that is at all possible. It sounds like he is in desperate need of some sort of medical attention, if for nothing else, but just to educate him on the options out there available to him. There are quite a few people on these boards who have quit successfully. He just needs to know that it IS possible.
Good luck. Take Care.
