Over the past few months a game iof monetary tennis has been goin on btwn.the Irish health board and the Irish pharmacutical union....basically the chemists dont reckon they are gettin enough money for dispensing methadone to to over 5000 people who get there script thru a doctor and not a clinic(im on a clinic thank god)So today the chemist have withdrawn giving methadone to these 5000 poor addicts.This leaves people who have a solid base for recovery in the lurch...imagine the detrimental fallout of not getting yer daily dose....the f***ing dealers will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Im so angry coz the money is there to treat these folks but neither side will budge.Im due at my clinic tomm.and its gonna be absolute chaos as people will have been taken on ..but the staff are just not there...to cope with the numbers and as any of you know who have attended a drug clinic its drugs over the rd.and the dealers will be out in force.
Im just disgusted that such a vunerable section of the community have had this bat swung at them.Overall bout 20000 people get methedone in this country....il let you know how it was tomm. evening when i get back but it aint gonna be pretty.Take care all..........Davey
oh my god--those phamacies dont realize what they ae doing and if they do realize they are awfull people--how could they do that-people will be robbing them soon enough--oh man i dont know what i would do if they turned me away with no warning--there will be chaos, people could die--the emergency rooms are gonna be packed. god be with them and you oh my goodness--keep us posted--im gonna look all that up right now
Amity yer dead right...they have opened a hornets nest....what choice has a recovering addict when refused his/her medication???/only beggers belief...back to a life of drugs and addiction in the Dublin area alone bout 140 pharmacies have closed there doors to recovering addicts...its f***ing criminal....while they get rich folks are gonna get really sick ....jobs,family and mental&physical health are on the line.Im pissed off at such a rich nation using or not its resources in such a negetive manner.Will give you an update tomm.ATB.....Davey
I do honestly think methadone helped me get stable enough in mind to be able to be where i am at now. The clinics here are so screwed up. I had to drive two states away about 40-45min drive to dose then wait 30mins to a hour in a line out the door!. It got to be as much of a hassle as scoring dope. I had to pay for all of it 12 dollars a day to get take homes it cost like 48 dollars all at once to get 4 take homes "after you had months at the clinic with clean drug test you got a take home".
I just told my doc the other day i still have a lot of cravings she said to go back to the m-done clinic LOL. I told her you can't go in clean they don't just hand it out when your sober. Docs here have their hands tied also to get m-done one has to go to a pain managment center and the m-dopne can be wrote out for PAIN control there but, not for drug treatment. My brother was a addict who got his m-done from pain managment for cancer but the doc had to write the script as for pain.
it's all BS methadone is helpful to so many people it's a real hassel to get it. I would have liked better care at my m-done clinic i needed it badly i quit it to soon went down too fast i fear relaspe all the time. I felt more stable on it but to get it was such a pain in the neck it became not worth it. It is sad i NEVER abused my scrip it helped i could not deal with all the red tape. I understand where your coming from.
I just told my doc the other day i still have a lot of cravings she said to go back to the m-done clinic LOL. I told her you can't go in clean they don't just hand it out when your sober. Docs here have their hands tied also to get m-done one has to go to a pain managment center and the m-dopne can be wrote out for PAIN control there but, not for drug treatment. My brother was a addict who got his m-done from pain managment for cancer but the doc had to write the script as for pain.
it's all BS methadone is helpful to so many people it's a real hassel to get it. I would have liked better care at my m-done clinic i needed it badly i quit it to soon went down too fast i fear relaspe all the time. I felt more stable on it but to get it was such a pain in the neck it became not worth it. It is sad i NEVER abused my scrip it helped i could not deal with all the red tape. I understand where your coming from.
Davey it's a scandel that they could do this and get away with it...would they do it to cancer patients or...( i know there is a big diffrence btw addiction and cancer, but you know what i mean) NO, but cause it's to do with addicts...they can do what they want.
There will be a f***** uproar if they don't come to some agreement in the next few days... If that happened over here there would be riots.... Keep us posted. Take it easy, Kev
There will be a f***** uproar if they don't come to some agreement in the next few days... If that happened over here there would be riots.... Keep us posted. Take it easy, Kev
That's outrageous.
Has anyone heard anything about the suggestion that they legalise all drugs in the UK?...
Maddy
Has anyone heard anything about the suggestion that they legalise all drugs in the UK?...
Maddy
Well guys just got back from the clinic and it was absolue chaos,people jumping the quoes,fights..the police got called coz the staff couldnt control the situ. although the police didnt come in the clinic all and sundary were warned its out if any more hassle.
The clinics opening hrs.were usually 9/6 now they are open till ten pm so stem the tide.The pharmasist i spoke with said it was a disgrace ..poor bloke is a real sound fella and was gutted.....he reckons already many folks have jumped ship and are back using...they prob.were using on top of there script anyhow....but its a bad situation all round it might sort it self out but both sides wont sit down and talk.Thats just a snippet...im off to watch The Incredibles with my Sian ....so take care all.........Davey
The clinics opening hrs.were usually 9/6 now they are open till ten pm so stem the tide.The pharmasist i spoke with said it was a disgrace ..poor bloke is a real sound fella and was gutted.....he reckons already many folks have jumped ship and are back using...they prob.were using on top of there script anyhow....but its a bad situation all round it might sort it self out but both sides wont sit down and talk.Thats just a snippet...im off to watch The Incredibles with my Sian ....so take care all.........Davey
Maddy, do you mean heroin? Some MP's and top polis have been going on about that for years now. Don't know what will come of it though
Davey, what were they expecting? Of course there would be a bit of aggro... Have you heard if they are going to resolve the situation? They'll need to do something eh? Luckily you get yours from the clinic....Take it easy, Kev
Davey, what were they expecting? Of course there would be a bit of aggro... Have you heard if they are going to resolve the situation? They'll need to do something eh? Luckily you get yours from the clinic....Take it easy, Kev
Kev...mate basically its a fight btwn the chemists and the health board....its the chemists who have withdrawn the methd.tey say they are not getting enuff $$$$$$$$$which the health board give them so basically both are wrong....and have you seen a poor chemist recently ...i aint...they get 6000euro for just taking someone on.The pharmacist at my clinic i spoke to yest.said it may be sorted in a few weeks...but i think he is being somewhat optimistic.
Also the dealers were out in strentgh yest.i could see em.just over the road doing plenty of buisness....sending there 12yr.old lookouts for new batches every half hr.booming it was.Thing is the govt. and pharmacists union have picked on the most vunerable part of society i.e recovering heroin addicts...lots of these folks are stable...got jobs a future and now its all f***ed up over money....what they are trying to do is provide the service at methedone clinics only....but the clinics havnt got enough resources...i couldnt even give a urine as they said ...oh no the toilet dont flush...im like wtf!!!!!!!!! im clean and i want to prove it ...told the bloke to get a effing plumber or il never piss into a cup for him again.Its just a sad reflection of our society today....countries loaded...lotsa jobs....but f*** the junkies...im really angry...there was even some addict solidarity at the clinic with talk of getting our own union...or at least a voice that can be heard over the roar of moneyed bastards new cars....sorry for the rant ...but i saw people in tears yest.....politicions are nothing but scum by and large and this has really proved it to me.ATB....Davey
Also the dealers were out in strentgh yest.i could see em.just over the road doing plenty of buisness....sending there 12yr.old lookouts for new batches every half hr.booming it was.Thing is the govt. and pharmacists union have picked on the most vunerable part of society i.e recovering heroin addicts...lots of these folks are stable...got jobs a future and now its all f***ed up over money....what they are trying to do is provide the service at methedone clinics only....but the clinics havnt got enough resources...i couldnt even give a urine as they said ...oh no the toilet dont flush...im like wtf!!!!!!!!! im clean and i want to prove it ...told the bloke to get a effing plumber or il never piss into a cup for him again.Its just a sad reflection of our society today....countries loaded...lotsa jobs....but f*** the junkies...im really angry...there was even some addict solidarity at the clinic with talk of getting our own union...or at least a voice that can be heard over the roar of moneyed bastards new cars....sorry for the rant ...but i saw people in tears yest.....politicions are nothing but scum by and large and this has really proved it to me.ATB....Davey
Davey, That's such a stupid-arse thing to do. Don't they realise what the consequences are going to be, that people are going to die because of their stupidity.
And Maddy, the head police bloke in Wales (can't remember his job title!), he's recommended that all drugs be legalised and controlled. He has had a lot of support from various circles, including several MP's. But I really can't see it happening whilst Gordon Brown is the PM - he's all for recatagorising Marajuana as a class B again. What does he hope to gain from that? There's been the usual disgruntled mothers making noises because their son or daughter has gone loopy, developed schizophrenia, or manic depression, or are just being the usual obnoxious teenager, and they lay the blame at Mary Janes door. I just can't see how making something "even more illegal" is going to make Jack s*** difference to anybody! But that's politicians for you... full of sound bites and nonsense!
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And Maddy, the head police bloke in Wales (can't remember his job title!), he's recommended that all drugs be legalised and controlled. He has had a lot of support from various circles, including several MP's. But I really can't see it happening whilst Gordon Brown is the PM - he's all for recatagorising Marajuana as a class B again. What does he hope to gain from that? There's been the usual disgruntled mothers making noises because their son or daughter has gone loopy, developed schizophrenia, or manic depression, or are just being the usual obnoxious teenager, and they lay the blame at Mary Janes door. I just can't see how making something "even more illegal" is going to make Jack s*** difference to anybody! But that's politicians for you... full of sound bites and nonsense!
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I know mr and mrs ' i vote tory' will be thinking that it was a good move to do that... why not do it over here, it's only junkies after all.
Yes, i know i'm a drug addict and so does everyone who goes to the chemists in Ireland, but they are trying to do something about their habits!! To just snatch it away from them is bang out of order!! I was telling my drug worker today and she was saying how stupid it is. What are the gov expecting the addicts to do?? Isn't it obvious what someone will do when they are needing a fix. How many more lives have been lost, how many families torn apart, jobs lost??? the list is... and for what? Money..
I hope it all gets resolved soon. Peace, kev
Yes, i know i'm a drug addict and so does everyone who goes to the chemists in Ireland, but they are trying to do something about their habits!! To just snatch it away from them is bang out of order!! I was telling my drug worker today and she was saying how stupid it is. What are the gov expecting the addicts to do?? Isn't it obvious what someone will do when they are needing a fix. How many more lives have been lost, how many families torn apart, jobs lost??? the list is... and for what? Money..
I hope it all gets resolved soon. Peace, kev
It wont be resolved for quite a bit there is a helpline you can call which i think will put you on to yer nearest clinic....which could be miles away....in my case 75miles and i used to only go up twice monthly but now my docter has said i have to go up every week for the forseealbe future(clinic protocol)everyone is hurting over this selfish move...Kev as ya said mate the fallout is imense....jobs,families,futures all f***ed up by some fat b**** of a politico....as Johnny Lydon said in 77 ,anger is an energy,and even after losing my job this s*** happens...im well f***ing angry...coz we are a rich country...but its the old haves and have f*** alls....and im afraid im leaning on the have not fence.Take care..........Davey
Team,
Don't even get me started on all this the methadone costs buttons which is why they stick everyone on it but it helps it does help - My guy has his own methadone crisis himself at the minute - see post.
Here chemists can choose to dispense or not and I understand why some don't because of the abuse and the real obnoxious louts that come in when they're obviously already flying and there's children and people in the shop and they're swearing and fighting. So many chemists have a special part sealed off for their special patients and it costs to do that sometimes there is a plastic grill or cover that addicts need to stand behind so our council/ local health service chemists to convert their shops.
What is so damn worrying is David Cameron saying that he would stop all methadone being prescribed if he was PM and addicts would have to go on a strict tapering down program like a prison detox - like where - and how - and how long before it started. Jeremy Vine Radio 2 asked him surely you couldn't stop methadone until this treatment was available - his answer a short sharp shock may be what's needed.
Well that would be me not being able to get any house or car insurance because crime here would go off the scale, hello mad max world.
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Don't even get me started on all this the methadone costs buttons which is why they stick everyone on it but it helps it does help - My guy has his own methadone crisis himself at the minute - see post.
Here chemists can choose to dispense or not and I understand why some don't because of the abuse and the real obnoxious louts that come in when they're obviously already flying and there's children and people in the shop and they're swearing and fighting. So many chemists have a special part sealed off for their special patients and it costs to do that sometimes there is a plastic grill or cover that addicts need to stand behind so our council/ local health service chemists to convert their shops.
What is so damn worrying is David Cameron saying that he would stop all methadone being prescribed if he was PM and addicts would have to go on a strict tapering down program like a prison detox - like where - and how - and how long before it started. Jeremy Vine Radio 2 asked him surely you couldn't stop methadone until this treatment was available - his answer a short sharp shock may be what's needed.
Well that would be me not being able to get any house or car insurance because crime here would go off the scale, hello mad max world.
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Yeah, that David Cameron is a phucking prick. Not just drug addicts, but single mums and dads. He thinks if you hit 'em hard enough in the pocket then they'll stop being a single family. As if by magic. I think he'd have a hard time implementing the methadone thing. Remember thos prisoners who were denied their meth in jail? They took the government to the European Court of Human Rights, and they won their case, and were paid compo. I just can't stand these politicians who always take the simplistic view and never consider the wider implications. In my health authority, it's 3 strikes and your out as far as your script is concerned, so it's already weeding out those who ain't serious about recovery. I think I'm going to write to David Cameron, and inform him of his error of judgement. Most junkies don't have the benefit of a degree in politics, and are not overly articulate, so someone has got to speak up for them, so it may as well be me, eh?
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Diff xxx
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Diff xxx
Oh ...Diff write that letter ....pass it by us lot first of course coz we could all add a bit or go by yer lead....that Cameron sounds like yer usual right wing tory b******...im old enough to remember the Miners strike which ruined whole communities specially in Wales and also the I.R.A hunger strikers 10 of whom died for there beliefs(i come from a strong republican family background)the tories are nothing but pure scum in my eyes.
In the Ireland of today we have had our so called Celtic Tiger economy for the last 15yrs mega housing boom,near full employment,new cars wereever ya look,but on the downside crime and drug abuse have skyrocketed....the haves and have f*** alls is so obvious to see in this country.When i left skool in the mid.80s with good grades my only option was to go back to London for work i was lucky as im a born and breed Londoner who only spent my teens in Ireland....but people forget how hard 50% unemployment was.....people laugh at me when i describe living in a van in Hackney for my 18th.b/day....folks need to wake up to the reality of being humane to each other....again an angry and pissed off ......Davey
In the Ireland of today we have had our so called Celtic Tiger economy for the last 15yrs mega housing boom,near full employment,new cars wereever ya look,but on the downside crime and drug abuse have skyrocketed....the haves and have f*** alls is so obvious to see in this country.When i left skool in the mid.80s with good grades my only option was to go back to London for work i was lucky as im a born and breed Londoner who only spent my teens in Ireland....but people forget how hard 50% unemployment was.....people laugh at me when i describe living in a van in Hackney for my 18th.b/day....folks need to wake up to the reality of being humane to each other....again an angry and pissed off ......Davey
Davey
When i left school there was nothing sweet fanny adams and people say you should have trained gone to uni blah blah in my worls we left school to start work to hand our wages over to our folks because everyone was broke. We couldn't afford to go to college because they needed our money and eeven if they struggled by without it they couldn't have afforded the books and bus fare and that was in 1980 not 1890. I went to Uni as an adult when I could afford to I look around this city and not much has change teenage boys leave school none academics - some are VDU fodder the call centres were a godsend now they've gone to India, the others go driving or labouring till they get too old or too tired, the factories, docks, pits have gone not everyone is born to write essays and study NVQs it doesn't make you a bad person not much has changed. Cameron it's not his fault it's a different world they haven't a clue.
o/t
Please let the Reds beat the Blues tomorrow all hold hands in silent meditation
flaming Toffees beat us 3 nil in the last Derby the man was doing laps of honour for days.
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When i left school there was nothing sweet fanny adams and people say you should have trained gone to uni blah blah in my worls we left school to start work to hand our wages over to our folks because everyone was broke. We couldn't afford to go to college because they needed our money and eeven if they struggled by without it they couldn't have afforded the books and bus fare and that was in 1980 not 1890. I went to Uni as an adult when I could afford to I look around this city and not much has change teenage boys leave school none academics - some are VDU fodder the call centres were a godsend now they've gone to India, the others go driving or labouring till they get too old or too tired, the factories, docks, pits have gone not everyone is born to write essays and study NVQs it doesn't make you a bad person not much has changed. Cameron it's not his fault it's a different world they haven't a clue.
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Please let the Reds beat the Blues tomorrow all hold hands in silent meditation
flaming Toffees beat us 3 nil in the last Derby the man was doing laps of honour for days.
k
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There should never be any monetary issue when it comes to m done . It it one of the cheapest drugs to produce there is. The greed of the state/clinic/pharm/ doctors/ & whoever else gets involved is criminal.
Yeah, Davey, I think you must be around the same age as me. I too grew up in London, although I was in the South East. I remember when Red Ken was in charge of the now defunct GLC. And it was a really good council. They put on loads of stuff for kids in the summer holidays. I still remember going to this really cool playgroup in Thamesmead (which is about as bad as Hackney!!) where I learned how to walk on stilts! But Christ Davey, you would hardly recognise London now. I was in Hackney a few weeks ago (I get about...) Got drunk as a skunk in this pub, started talking house prices to this bloke who was out on day release (some things don't change) - I just can't get over why anybody in their right mind would be paying 1200 a month to live in a s*** hole like Hackney.
I hate all this oneupmanship that has taken over places like that. Everybody wants to be better than everybody else, they all want the big house, the flashy cars, the huge wad of cash in their wallet. I kinda like it in Wales, where everybody is skint, nobody cares, and everybody has fun. You should see the social clubs round here on a Friday and Saturday night. Yeah it's bingo and a dodgy entertainment, but everybody gets up to dance, everybody has a laugh, coz it's not full of snobs. My sister, she's the worst offender, coz she's totally obsessed with being "impressive", and really looks down on us "council scum". But I think I have the last laugh, coz she's literally got no friends. Nobody likes her. We haven't had any tiger economy round here. The mining towns are still full of people on the sick, there aren't any jobs. The only place you can get good money is the Corus steelworks, or Dyfed Steel, and there's a couple of factories making car parts. And it's tough to make a living fishing now. But we know how to enjoy ourselves.
Or maybe it's just me. I know that addiction taught me what is really important in life, and it sure as hell ain't money.
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I hate all this oneupmanship that has taken over places like that. Everybody wants to be better than everybody else, they all want the big house, the flashy cars, the huge wad of cash in their wallet. I kinda like it in Wales, where everybody is skint, nobody cares, and everybody has fun. You should see the social clubs round here on a Friday and Saturday night. Yeah it's bingo and a dodgy entertainment, but everybody gets up to dance, everybody has a laugh, coz it's not full of snobs. My sister, she's the worst offender, coz she's totally obsessed with being "impressive", and really looks down on us "council scum". But I think I have the last laugh, coz she's literally got no friends. Nobody likes her. We haven't had any tiger economy round here. The mining towns are still full of people on the sick, there aren't any jobs. The only place you can get good money is the Corus steelworks, or Dyfed Steel, and there's a couple of factories making car parts. And it's tough to make a living fishing now. But we know how to enjoy ourselves.
Or maybe it's just me. I know that addiction taught me what is really important in life, and it sure as hell ain't money.
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Diff xx
Yep...Diff Hackney aint even got a bleedin tube...so that says it all just a s*** rail system ....i also grew up in the SE.part of London ...Camberwell/Loughborough Junction area...you were more Greenwich i think...but close enough...i moved to Ireland when my ma kicked my dad out so i spent yrs.13/17 in Ireland then back on the boat to London in 87...to work in a variety of s*** jobs and selling snide perfume and watches you know the speil.As i said before i spent my 18th.b/day with my mates in an old Hiace on Mare st.Hackney....snorting speed and drinking brew...how refined but looking back it was a great part of my life ..i.e not giving a flying f*** bout tomm.just living for the minute...then of course rave happened and my 90s were just one drug fuelled party...Castlemorton,Glasto,M25 parties and a not so nice yr.stint in Pentoville for dealing...speed and hash.Good times....take care MsDiff.........Davey
Davey, I don't even remember the 90's! It's just a big empty space. I was talking to a mate of mine from way back recently, and he was on about this car I sold him for 20, or more likely half a gram of smack - Christ, I've wracked my brain, but I can't even remember ever owning the car, never mind flogging it to him. And Glasto - that's always a blank. I can't remember any of the bands, or if I even saw any bands. I only ever remember breaking through the fence, and then waking up back in Wales a few days later, normally in the boot of someones car. But I'm sure I enjoyed it...
It was nice this year, to actually go to a festival, and get to remember the bands. And really cool to take my daughter as well. I really want her to have a fun childhood, and I want to enjoy it with her. At least that's one thing me and her father are united on. Everywhere we go, she comes with us. When I was pregnant, he was such a prick, telling me that he was just gonna be out all the time, didn't want to be involved with her, wasn't gonna change his lifestyle for that little maggot. But as soon as she was born, he was smitten. He can be a bad man, but he does love his daughter. He's starting to get his head round the fact that when he hurts me, he hurts her too.
take care
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Diff x
It was nice this year, to actually go to a festival, and get to remember the bands. And really cool to take my daughter as well. I really want her to have a fun childhood, and I want to enjoy it with her. At least that's one thing me and her father are united on. Everywhere we go, she comes with us. When I was pregnant, he was such a prick, telling me that he was just gonna be out all the time, didn't want to be involved with her, wasn't gonna change his lifestyle for that little maggot. But as soon as she was born, he was smitten. He can be a bad man, but he does love his daughter. He's starting to get his head round the fact that when he hurts me, he hurts her too.
take care
love
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