Hi everyone....belated happy new year!
Have a question about methadone....BF now is on 60 ml and it seems to be making him really really lethagic...like he has absolutly energy and given the chance would sleep all day...i mean all the day and finds it hard to stay awake.
I know this is one of the side effects of methadone...but do you think the dose could be too high for him?
This sleepiness was also whilst we were on holiday over christmas in england..where he has no acess to drugs so i know he was clean...so its the methadone rather than drugs.
He was always on 40 then after a relaspe about 9 months ago it was upped to 50ml then about 4 months ago he started tapering...got down to 30ml but relasped and so they upped the dose..obviously he did need that but they doubled it in a matter of days?
He said the relaspe was more cocaine than heroin so the high dose of methadone wouldn't even help that.
He thinks the methadone is too high...do you think so too?
I (and he) thinks that he should taper down to find a level that he can function but doesn't end up relasping....not a proper taper...he knows he isn't ready for that at the moment...but a taper maybe to a lower level of methadone and then stay firm at that level for a while?
Thursay he has an appointment at the clinic and i think he is going to talk to tham about this then. But i was wondering what people on....or... who have been on methadone thought?
sounds high, taper down and perhaps later switch to suboxone (30ml of meth or less)
SP speaks the truth
Hello...Sash..hope things are good with yerself&got over the holiday season o.k.As the two gents previously said i reckon hes on to high a dose..so try&taper down a bit&try subs if they are on offer.Take care...Davey
Hi Davey things ok with me...you?
I know I have probably asked this a million times already...but what are the benefits of swapping from methadone to sub? Why does everyone say swap over as soon as you can?
If you have been on methadone a long time is the waiting time between stopping the methadone and starting the sub really terrible? So could this be a chance for a relaspe beacuse the withdrawels are so bad?
I think the clinic offers sub as well so this could be an option is BF tapers down.
I know I have probably asked this a million times already...but what are the benefits of swapping from methadone to sub? Why does everyone say swap over as soon as you can?
If you have been on methadone a long time is the waiting time between stopping the methadone and starting the sub really terrible? So could this be a chance for a relaspe beacuse the withdrawels are so bad?
I think the clinic offers sub as well so this could be an option is BF tapers down.
Hello..Sash..thanks im doin o.k.I have never been on subs but i have got the general impression..they have less of the sideeffects than methd. has...yer right you have to be in some stage of withdrawl for them to work..not to sure how long.Also of course yer b/f will feel sick&the chance of relapse is ever present..but i suppose thats his choice.Just a quick Q?why are his Docter/clinic upping his dose if he is relapsing on coke.
Take care ...Davey
Take care ...Davey
Don't know why they upped it so high, because BF said it was cocaine that he was using more, he was doing heroin as well but much more cocaine. He told them this but they still doubled his methadone. Which he says doesn't help with the cocaine cravings...which i think is correct.
I suppose they were trying to stabablise him, as they had not been happy with him tapering in the first place. But even after they upped the dose he was still using cocaine for about a month, so....?!
I suppose they were trying to stabablise him, as they had not been happy with him tapering in the first place. But even after they upped the dose he was still using cocaine for about a month, so....?!
Yer right ...Sash..the methd.in my opinion doesnt help with coke cravings...but they prob.saw some gear in his samples&said yer gonna go up,has he got any say so into how they treat him coz it seems he wants off but all they want to do when he gives a dirty is up his dose?
onto more mundane subjects im off to clean out Sians Russian hamsters lil cage/crib....name is Max by the way.Take care as ever .......Davey
onto more mundane subjects im off to clean out Sians Russian hamsters lil cage/crib....name is Max by the way.Take care as ever .......Davey
I have a few issues with the clinic, but I don't know the whole story, and my experience of all this is so little, so sometimes it's hard to know if what i am thinking is right.
But they don't seem to listen to him at all, he says this to me. He said that when he was living in another city and so went to a different clinic how much better they were, how they listened to him and if he said he needed to up his dose they did but then if he felt he could go lower then they would help him lower the dose. Here in this clinic they don't seem to listen to him at and just keep upping the methadone..when all he wants to do is get off it.
They have been trying to help him for years and the only option they see for him to get clean is the long term treatment (2 years) and so they don't seem to want to help him much in getting clean here at home, they say he is not in the right place for their programme and for their groups etc.
Russian hamsters??...they posher than normal ones?!!
But they don't seem to listen to him at all, he says this to me. He said that when he was living in another city and so went to a different clinic how much better they were, how they listened to him and if he said he needed to up his dose they did but then if he felt he could go lower then they would help him lower the dose. Here in this clinic they don't seem to listen to him at and just keep upping the methadone..when all he wants to do is get off it.
They have been trying to help him for years and the only option they see for him to get clean is the long term treatment (2 years) and so they don't seem to want to help him much in getting clean here at home, they say he is not in the right place for their programme and for their groups etc.
Russian hamsters??...they posher than normal ones?!!
At the methadone clinic that I go to, they won't up your dose unless you have clean drug screens! DUH! If your drug screens are clean, you obviously don't need to go up and if you need to go up, you usually can't provide a clean drug screen. They do everything bass=ackwards around here. I want to move to Mars!
Sash..naw they are just smaller&try to get you into there lil spy web and tell on all yer mates.At least he hasnt tried to poison us yet..although i do hold some industrial secrets..i think we will westernise him..LOL........Davey
They does sound a bit dumb!!
Maybe all heading off to Mars is the best idea!!
Maybe all heading off to Mars is the best idea!!
In my experience the clinics are dodgy. They kept my ex boyfriend on 90mls for over three years when all he wanted to do was come off. That high a dose monged him out completely.
He eventually relapsed on heroin because there was no progress with the whole methadone situation. He couldn't get out of bed until the late afternoon, he usually went for a walk, watched telly and that was it, he had to sleep again. It became a habit he couldn't break and he got very depressed. All the time the clinic was saying what a star he was cos all his samples were clean.
It was awful to watch him deteriorate on the very medicine that was supposed to help him get him better.
He eventually relapsed on heroin because there was no progress with the whole methadone situation. He couldn't get out of bed until the late afternoon, he usually went for a walk, watched telly and that was it, he had to sleep again. It became a habit he couldn't break and he got very depressed. All the time the clinic was saying what a star he was cos all his samples were clean.
It was awful to watch him deteriorate on the very medicine that was supposed to help him get him better.
Oy watch it Davey or i'll get the RSPCA on you!!!
Lacey...I too hate what the methadone can make my BF like, it is pretty depressing, plus then when the clinic seems to be working against rather than with him to help him get off it, it's just more depressing.
But have to be careful about putting the blame onto the clinic....they are not responsible for his relaspes but it still gets me cross the way that they work.
Lacey...I too hate what the methadone can make my BF like, it is pretty depressing, plus then when the clinic seems to be working against rather than with him to help him get off it, it's just more depressing.
But have to be careful about putting the blame onto the clinic....they are not responsible for his relaspes but it still gets me cross the way that they work.
sub has far less of the nasty side effects that methadone does, sub is a partial blocker so you want use while on it, its easier to come off, and it is relatively straight forward to switch from meth so sub. you do not have to wait an extended period, just have to be in mild withdrawal. The lower you can get on methadone before you switch, the easier the transition.
Thanks for the info Silent Partner, but i am a little confused...its a partial blocker so you want to use? shouldn't it make you not want to use?
Are there different names for Sub? or is that international? What is the exact name ....Suboxone...are there different brand names?
Am I right in thinking thatwjhen you stop taking sub the withdawels are not as long? As i think with methadone the withdrawals can be long and painful even from really low doses? also you suffer from PAWS. Is this all less on sub?
After you start taking sub does it stop all the withdrawel symptoms of methadone..what i am trying to say is that the methadone that is in your system...(which i think stays for a long time....and this is what makes you feel bad even after stopping methadone)....will this be covered up by the taking the sub?
hope that all makes sense!
Are there different names for Sub? or is that international? What is the exact name ....Suboxone...are there different brand names?
Am I right in thinking thatwjhen you stop taking sub the withdawels are not as long? As i think with methadone the withdrawals can be long and painful even from really low doses? also you suffer from PAWS. Is this all less on sub?
After you start taking sub does it stop all the withdrawel symptoms of methadone..what i am trying to say is that the methadone that is in your system...(which i think stays for a long time....and this is what makes you feel bad even after stopping methadone)....will this be covered up by the taking the sub?
hope that all makes sense!
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On June 24th 2006 I lost my fianc (Ron) to this deadly drug prescribed by a physician with a combination of other medications that acted as additives to the Methadone. He had knee surgery and became addicted to the percocet he was prescribed. He checked himself into Greenleaf in Valdosta, GA for detoxification. Upon entering the facility he was drug tested and did not come up positive for opiates (he had stopped taking the percocet 4 days before entering the facility). On the fourth day in detox he died sometime between 2am and 1pm in the afternoon (he was never checked on in all of those hours). The night before he died he was complaining of migraines and vomiting, apparently the staff thought he was still experiencing withdrawals and was not concerned about these symptoms. The symptoms of methadone toxicity mimic withdrawal symptoms physicians and staff must be very cognizant of the complex properties and metabolization of methadone. There were many errors made in my fiancs death including the fact that he was given numerous amounts of additive medications such as benzodiazepines. He had only been taking percocet for about 4 months and according to the DSM IV he wouldnt be an appropriate candidate methadone maintenance treatment.
It doesn't matter specific reasons for taking methadone but what does matter is that this medication is deadly and physicians need to more prudent in prescribing it as well as monitoring their patients while beginning treatment of any kind using Methadone. I'm not sure if Ron was given methadone for the sole purpose for detoxification from opiates or if it was a combination of pain relief associated with numerous surgeries and opiate addiction. Methadone is difficult to properly dose no matter what reason it's being used for and primarily relies on the patients indications of how they feel (assumedly they are being monitored). There are ways to make the administration of methadone safer, it's just a matter of putting the focus on this drug and the deadly consequences when administered incorrectly or not monitored.
Many people are dying unnecessarily at the hands of the physicians they turn to for help. Methadone deaths are rising throughout the country. Ron was 32 years old and has 2 children from a previous marriage that now do not have a father.
Current statistics show that nearly 4000 people a year die from methadone. These deaths are mostly happening to pain management and detoxification patients within the first 10 days of taking initial dose. Most of these deaths are related to methadone prescribed with other medications that react as additives with methadone. Diversion of methadone is a serious problem because it lands this most deadly drug on streets. Statistics also state that methadone is contributing to more deaths nationwide then heroine and cocaine.
Melissa
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On June 24th 2006 I lost my fianc (Ron) to this deadly drug prescribed by a physician with a combination of other medications that acted as additives to the Methadone. He had knee surgery and became addicted to the percocet he was prescribed. He checked himself into Greenleaf in Valdosta, GA for detoxification. Upon entering the facility he was drug tested and did not come up positive for opiates (he had stopped taking the percocet 4 days before entering the facility). On the fourth day in detox he died sometime between 2am and 1pm in the afternoon (he was never checked on in all of those hours). The night before he died he was complaining of migraines and vomiting, apparently the staff thought he was still experiencing withdrawals and was not concerned about these symptoms. The symptoms of methadone toxicity mimic withdrawal symptoms physicians and staff must be very cognizant of the complex properties and metabolization of methadone. There were many errors made in my fiancs death including the fact that he was given numerous amounts of additive medications such as benzodiazepines. He had only been taking percocet for about 4 months and according to the DSM IV he wouldnt be an appropriate candidate methadone maintenance treatment.
It doesn't matter specific reasons for taking methadone but what does matter is that this medication is deadly and physicians need to more prudent in prescribing it as well as monitoring their patients while beginning treatment of any kind using Methadone. I'm not sure if Ron was given methadone for the sole purpose for detoxification from opiates or if it was a combination of pain relief associated with numerous surgeries and opiate addiction. Methadone is difficult to properly dose no matter what reason it's being used for and primarily relies on the patients indications of how they feel (assumedly they are being monitored). There are ways to make the administration of methadone safer, it's just a matter of putting the focus on this drug and the deadly consequences when administered incorrectly or not monitored.
Many people are dying unnecessarily at the hands of the physicians they turn to for help. Methadone deaths are rising throughout the country. Ron was 32 years old and has 2 children from a previous marriage that now do not have a father.
Current statistics show that nearly 4000 people a year die from methadone. These deaths are mostly happening to pain management and detoxification patients within the first 10 days of taking initial dose. Most of these deaths are related to methadone prescribed with other medications that react as additives with methadone. Diversion of methadone is a serious problem because it lands this most deadly drug on streets. Statistics also state that methadone is contributing to more deaths nationwide then heroine and cocaine.
Melissa
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There are 3 sides to every story- - pro, con- and the truth.
Methadone precribed and taken correctly> to the right person can be a life savor.
Precribed by a doctor who is uneducated and unfamilair with the drug and more importantly,the type of person who needs this drug is the bigger problem.
This is not a drug that (for the most part) is used recreationally- so a long time addict with long history of heroin abuse and crime should not have to be made to feel any guilt if they choose this method of treatment.
Agreed ,that there are other drugs(subutex and the like) that are available now that werent available years ago.- Choices about ones treatment is serious business, I think no option should be taken off the board.
Im sorry for your loss,the combo of benzo,s and mdone lead to many a tragedy
respectfully,
jack
There are 3 sides to every story- - pro, con- and the truth.
Methadone precribed and taken correctly> to the right person can be a life savor.
Precribed by a doctor who is uneducated and unfamilair with the drug and more importantly,the type of person who needs this drug is the bigger problem.
This is not a drug that (for the most part) is used recreationally- so a long time addict with long history of heroin abuse and crime should not have to be made to feel any guilt if they choose this method of treatment.
Agreed ,that there are other drugs(subutex and the like) that are available now that werent available years ago.- Choices about ones treatment is serious business, I think no option should be taken off the board.
Im sorry for your loss,the combo of benzo,s and mdone lead to many a tragedy
respectfully,
jack
Sashab, I said "want use" but meant "won't use"
The drug is buprenorphine and is marketed around the world as Subutex (or sometimes under the name Buprenex.
When it has Naloxone added to it, it is marketed as Suboxone.
Buprenorphine is also sold as an effective analgesic under names such as Temgesic and Norspan.
So
Buprenorphine = Subutex
Buprenorphine + Naloxone = Suboxone
The drug is buprenorphine and is marketed around the world as Subutex (or sometimes under the name Buprenex.
When it has Naloxone added to it, it is marketed as Suboxone.
Buprenorphine is also sold as an effective analgesic under names such as Temgesic and Norspan.
So
Buprenorphine = Subutex
Buprenorphine + Naloxone = Suboxone
Thanks SP, i thought maybe you had made a typing error...but wasn't sure!
Funny that one little letter makes a lot of difference to the sense of the sentence!!
One more question....the naloxone....does this make any difference? Or are Subtex and Suboxone equal?
Funny that one little letter makes a lot of difference to the sense of the sentence!!
One more question....the naloxone....does this make any difference? Or are Subtex and Suboxone equal?
