Happy new year to all altho its hard to say considering the catastrophy overseas. Im keeping my appointment with the shrink for monday altho she wanted me to be at 20 mgs meth before we started the bup treatment, Im still around 50 to 60. The nurse said the Dr. might be able to stat once I get to 40 mgs but I will discuss it with her on mon. Im excited and scared. I'm not sure if I couldnt get my meth dose down faster because of psychological reasons, Ie that at least I know on 60 Im not going into withdrawls, or mabey the fact that I know at least Im taking something even tho it doesnt get me high, who know its only been 2 months on the 60 of meth from 200 of morphine. I dont know if this was a long enough period to get down to 20 or not. The first 2 weeks off morphine I was having major withdrawls even with the meth. Anyway I will have a ton of questions for her. The bup she uses doesnt require me to be in any detox whatsoever and according to nurse she wil stabalize me and then wean me off over a couple months. She will write a script for the pills which I take on my own ,no shots and will want to check my vitals and take a look at me for the 1st 7 days. I was afraid of being on meth for to long(what that is Im not sure) because its apperently much harder to get off from. The bup is supposed to be pretty easy if done correctly. Just wanted to check in a let my friends know where Im at today and in my process of getting drugs out of my life. Any input or support would be appreciated thanks Ray
Good luck Ramon, keep us posted
How's the wife?
Happy New Year
JohnDee
How's the wife?
Happy New Year
JohnDee
Wife is doing good, expected mood swings of course, drs appt was moved to next week, she is already showing a little at 3 weeks and twins run in the family. Thanks for asking
Ray- Twins? OMG
Hi Ray....
Glad to hear that your wife is doing good....twins maybe, a double blessing! You remember to take care of yourself too.
I wish you both a Safe and Happy New Year!
Tina
Glad to hear that your wife is doing good....twins maybe, a double blessing! You remember to take care of yourself too.
I wish you both a Safe and Happy New Year!
Tina
Ramon, just curious, how does she administer? I was given bup in treatment, a shot of liquid under the tounge..it won't digest if you swallow...
They only gave it to me for a week, but on day 7, I went right back into horrible withdrawls...and had to do it for another 24 hours...
I still am greatful to the counselor who saw this...the nurse just thought that I was drug seeking..but my pupils were the size of quarters..
Anyway, good luck and keep us posted...
Kerry
They only gave it to me for a week, but on day 7, I went right back into horrible withdrawls...and had to do it for another 24 hours...
I still am greatful to the counselor who saw this...the nurse just thought that I was drug seeking..but my pupils were the size of quarters..
Anyway, good luck and keep us posted...
Kerry
Little I will be taking the pills under the tonge, I have a feeling it would be better to wait till I can drop to 40 mgs, someone else had posted a site which people who had switched to bup talked of their experience . Most of them took the type that you had to be in withdrawls for but I wont be on that type. What worried me a little was that many said once they weaned off they had withdrawl symptoms. Also the reason might be and I hope it was because many of them were on the bup for more than half a year and others more than a year which might account for the withdrawls. also many were on meth for years before the started the bup so mabey thats why. I will have a huge list of questions for the dr. as I want to be sure I wont go through major changes in the switch. the fact that she wants to get my vitals each day for a week kinda worries me but that may be in the protocol . Best Ray
Ray
You are right in thinking you have to get your methadone dose down. 30mg is said to be about right, that figure is just enough to saturate the fat cells and keep off the withdrawals. Methadone users who want to convert to Sub have to wait longer before they can have there first dose of Sub believe me you must be showing at least some markers of W/D symptoms if not you will go into terrible presipitated withdrawals also make sure the first dose is taken under medical supervision.
On the problem of weaning Sub I see many here talking about a fast reduction, that is fine if you are only going to take it a short time but people who have pain issues or have been using for years sometimes take Sub for an extended period. I believe that catergory should reduce slowly, when down to the 2mg-4mg mark I would suggest weaning 0.2mg at a time maybe everyone 2/3 days you will get a much smoother ride. I am in the UK and was wondering if the 0.2mg tabs are available in the US because I hear of a lot breaking up tabs. In the UK we have 0.2/2/8mg so its easy to play with the dose titrating it to the correct level. Remember it is not a race most take a long time getting into this mess and there is no point getting off only to jump straight back on again. Use the time to develope stratergies for staying sober.
I am on a long term dose and have no plans to come off and am not ashamed to say that. My pain issues are under control and I feel so "human" the drug is also very safe if taken as precribed.
Neon
You are right in thinking you have to get your methadone dose down. 30mg is said to be about right, that figure is just enough to saturate the fat cells and keep off the withdrawals. Methadone users who want to convert to Sub have to wait longer before they can have there first dose of Sub believe me you must be showing at least some markers of W/D symptoms if not you will go into terrible presipitated withdrawals also make sure the first dose is taken under medical supervision.
On the problem of weaning Sub I see many here talking about a fast reduction, that is fine if you are only going to take it a short time but people who have pain issues or have been using for years sometimes take Sub for an extended period. I believe that catergory should reduce slowly, when down to the 2mg-4mg mark I would suggest weaning 0.2mg at a time maybe everyone 2/3 days you will get a much smoother ride. I am in the UK and was wondering if the 0.2mg tabs are available in the US because I hear of a lot breaking up tabs. In the UK we have 0.2/2/8mg so its easy to play with the dose titrating it to the correct level. Remember it is not a race most take a long time getting into this mess and there is no point getting off only to jump straight back on again. Use the time to develope stratergies for staying sober.
I am on a long term dose and have no plans to come off and am not ashamed to say that. My pain issues are under control and I feel so "human" the drug is also very safe if taken as precribed.
Neon
I have twins also! also can shrink prescibe you sub, or methadone?????
Ramon...Just read this thread and wanted to say good luck tomorrow! hope you get some good news.
I was once on put on methadone to come off hydrocodone. I was taking about ten 7.5 hydros at the time, and they put me on 30 mg. meth. Over a 2 year period they weaned my down to 2.5 mg. before stopping me. I only lasted a few days clean after I stopped. THe w/d was horrible! I would never go on meth again and do not recommend it for anyone for detoxing from opiates. Just my opinoin. You'll be my thoughts tomorrow! Take care!
I must aggree strongly w/tm! methadone is horrible crap!!!!!!!! i was on 30 vics a day got pregnant w/my twins and i was on 120mgs fpr two years then my insurance changed and i had to leave Kaiser and boy oh boy did i go thur pure hell on earth!! sorry dont mean to scare you or anything, i hope that everything works out for you in the long run, take care and god bless you .............
Mom and Mitzy are right. I was on metahdone for 2/12 years. I usually only took 10-20 mg a day. Never more. I weaned down to a piece of a pill.2.5 and then stopped and the withdrawls were so horrible. Oh my.Words could never describe the pain I went through for a long time after. I lived though. Looking back I wish I would have had some help from sub/bup. I would never recommend anyone to take methadone unless they were having chronic pain and they planned on being on it forever.For some methadone is quality of life and for that it is a wonderful drug. However,I have found a lot of doctor's that are willing to write it out for back pain/headaches etc.. Some doctor's just have no clue on what they are writing. When I was withdrawling from metadone all I could think of was how I wanted to sue the doctor and tell him off bla bla bla. I had no clue about the drug or exactly what I was getting myself into. It is a very wicked drug to get off and some doctor's don't have compassion for the addict that needs help getting off. Anyway my point is:
Ramon I wish you the best of luck in your recovery. Sounds like your doctor is going to take good care of you. You should do just fine. It is great you are getting good medical attention and your on the right path.Rae
Ramon I wish you the best of luck in your recovery. Sounds like your doctor is going to take good care of you. You should do just fine. It is great you are getting good medical attention and your on the right path.Rae
Rae, sorry to hear that...after what I went through with vics..my family wanted me to sue the dr too...lol...but he didn't make me take 20 a day..so I just didn't feel that was right.
NEON...good to see you again...glad to hear that you are back in the human race...lol..I feel like I can "walk among" again myself..I think that I am finally getting out of the WHACK JOB CLUB.
Good luck, Ramon..and keep us posted..it helps people to know..I wish that I had known about sub...I might not have had to go inpatient..what a cost that was..And congrats on the baby..I am a twin also..but we are so fraternal it is scary...people never believed in school that we were sisters, let alone twins. My mom used to walk around and tell the staring people "they had different fathers..." some would get it..lol.....
Kerry
NEON...good to see you again...glad to hear that you are back in the human race...lol..I feel like I can "walk among" again myself..I think that I am finally getting out of the WHACK JOB CLUB.
Good luck, Ramon..and keep us posted..it helps people to know..I wish that I had known about sub...I might not have had to go inpatient..what a cost that was..And congrats on the baby..I am a twin also..but we are so fraternal it is scary...people never believed in school that we were sisters, let alone twins. My mom used to walk around and tell the staring people "they had different fathers..." some would get it..lol.....
Kerry
Kerry:
Is the older sister you refer to your twin? That's interesting that you are a twin. Isn't it the "Whack Pack?" Or are they just on Howard Stern, lol.
Rach
Is the older sister you refer to your twin? That's interesting that you are a twin. Isn't it the "Whack Pack?" Or are they just on Howard Stern, lol.
Rach
Paul it's so good to see you post again and that you are feeling better. It takes what it takes, so just keep doing what you're doing as long as you feel human and can work. Our lives go on, they don't go in to a holding pattern just because we have to detox or go through w/d.
Ramon... ask your doc how many patients she has treated with bup. Ask her if she has any experience with patients like you. Everyone is different and everyone reacts to meds differently...be careful. You've got quite the cocktail going there. I truly believe in bup. and suboxone, I think that it has saved alot of people's lives. If I had known about it when I quit the last time, I would have tried it. Good luck...and be safe.
Hey Kerr..
Cowgirl
Ramon... ask your doc how many patients she has treated with bup. Ask her if she has any experience with patients like you. Everyone is different and everyone reacts to meds differently...be careful. You've got quite the cocktail going there. I truly believe in bup. and suboxone, I think that it has saved alot of people's lives. If I had known about it when I quit the last time, I would have tried it. Good luck...and be safe.
Hey Kerr..
Cowgirl
