MJ,
I tried to e-mail you, but for some reason it would not go through. I will try again. Kat, you can e-mail me, anytime, because I think I am not wanted on this forum. Chat with you soon. Goodbye, board people.
Out for ever,
Deirdre
Dear Deidre:
If you don't show for a while on the board, keep reading it.
Something will click for you, I promise. Don't waste your young life with covering up your feelings, they are who Deirdre is. Try and get this while you are young.
I wrote another post to you on your other thread.
I'm not a big fan of "tough love" unless nothing else is going to work. I say that b/c I would rebel against the tough love when on the pills and think you are doing the same. It's just you are not hurting the ones you are rebeling against, you are hurting yourself.
So, just read and listen. You are wanted on the board, all are wanted (maybe not by some but I find that hard to believe, if that's their thinking, they should keep it to themselves)
I know I want you reading and posting even if you think your post won't be popular.
You know it can't hurt anything so stick with this.
Love, Mommie Jean
If you don't show for a while on the board, keep reading it.
Something will click for you, I promise. Don't waste your young life with covering up your feelings, they are who Deirdre is. Try and get this while you are young.
I wrote another post to you on your other thread.
I'm not a big fan of "tough love" unless nothing else is going to work. I say that b/c I would rebel against the tough love when on the pills and think you are doing the same. It's just you are not hurting the ones you are rebeling against, you are hurting yourself.
So, just read and listen. You are wanted on the board, all are wanted (maybe not by some but I find that hard to believe, if that's their thinking, they should keep it to themselves)
I know I want you reading and posting even if you think your post won't be popular.
You know it can't hurt anything so stick with this.
Love, Mommie Jean
Hey "D' Im having a ruff morning here.Memories of a dad Id rather forget,but thats MY problem.Your is that you cant get mail too me & that bothers me.I would like to be able to be there for whoever reaches out.As far as the board stuff we can discuss that via email.Im going to resend my addy & hope you can get through to me.I think jean said keep reading.For along time(when there was HS BS going on)I refused to post at all but I would always read in case I was needed.You are just in a ruff patch right now & it will pass.Belive me it will.Please keep writing to my addy after I send it.I am sorry you couldnt get through....mj
Another Cop out D You certainly are wanted on this board. You just want people to tell you what you want to hear. When you do not get what YOU want to hear you know run from the board?
You have relapsed and we all want you to come back. Get into a program and get better. Improve your pain so th your quality of life is improved.
Your solution Percs -X and Pot? Need I say more. Flush all of it and get to a meeting.
Stay safe--Jeff
You have relapsed and we all want you to come back. Get into a program and get better. Improve your pain so th your quality of life is improved.
Your solution Percs -X and Pot? Need I say more. Flush all of it and get to a meeting.
Stay safe--Jeff
Deidra....you don't strike me as someone who gives up. Get mad and fight for yourself. Fight for your recovery.
I hope that you get some help. Maybe talk to some friends and see about getting into counseling or NA (it's free).
There is only one other option for us addicts....it's death.
Cowgirl
I hope that you get some help. Maybe talk to some friends and see about getting into counseling or NA (it's free).
There is only one other option for us addicts....it's death.
Cowgirl
CG
You forgot institutions and death. <g>
12 stepper
You forgot institutions and death. <g>
12 stepper
Not where she's headed......
Thanks 12.
Thanks 12.
Dierdre, I will email you.
To everyone else,
I don't condone drugs of any sort. What I saw was a young woman in unbearable pain. She was desperate not to take opiates. She has no medical insurance. She's already been to the ER and is in debt for that. She also knows the ER will most likely prescribe opiates. She had taken every over the counter med available.
Of course smoking pot is wrong, but I can't judge her for and act of desperation. So what is everyone doing? They are giving her a really hard time when she could use some compassion. This is a bright woman, she knows that pot is not the best thing to do.
It is easy for us to sit back and say what we would not do, but we are not in her shoes. I think it's amazing she didn't run to the nearest ER and get a prescription. I also think it's very couragous of her to come and tell people here what she had done.
So in the end, while she is living in misery, has resorted to whatever she could to find relief, she gets clobbered from her support system here. Now she feels unwelcome......just what she needed.
I'm not saying we should condone what she did, but I don't think we should hurt her further.
She is a human being with feelings. I think we should give her a break. Love, Kat
To everyone else,
I don't condone drugs of any sort. What I saw was a young woman in unbearable pain. She was desperate not to take opiates. She has no medical insurance. She's already been to the ER and is in debt for that. She also knows the ER will most likely prescribe opiates. She had taken every over the counter med available.
Of course smoking pot is wrong, but I can't judge her for and act of desperation. So what is everyone doing? They are giving her a really hard time when she could use some compassion. This is a bright woman, she knows that pot is not the best thing to do.
It is easy for us to sit back and say what we would not do, but we are not in her shoes. I think it's amazing she didn't run to the nearest ER and get a prescription. I also think it's very couragous of her to come and tell people here what she had done.
So in the end, while she is living in misery, has resorted to whatever she could to find relief, she gets clobbered from her support system here. Now she feels unwelcome......just what she needed.
I'm not saying we should condone what she did, but I don't think we should hurt her further.
She is a human being with feelings. I think we should give her a break. Love, Kat
Kat....I will give her every break in the world. Eventually some of this will sink in and maybe it has. It certainly got her attention.
I will support her forever as long as she's looking for recovery. I can't if she's not and just is looking for excuses to use.
Love
Cowgirl
I will support her forever as long as she's looking for recovery. I can't if she's not and just is looking for excuses to use.
Love
Cowgirl
Aw Kat, Leave it to you to take the high, compassionate road. I truly see both sides, have lived both. But it's not for me to judge. I just hope that anyone coming here confused, in pain, in w/d...whatever, can get honest, compassionate support. One w/o the other falls flat. Especially in the early days and weeks when we ALL wanted some magic way to get over the opiates. Fear is a huge part. Fear of pain is much worse then fear of withdrawal. Those who don't suffer continously perhaps aren't the best at understanding this.
Having said that, the early posts to D., were great. One drug leads to another. Medusa, I wish you the best. Think about some of the good advice given early on with the toher post. Seek medical help and non-narcotic alternatives. Good luck. Pain sucks...sucks hard. Beck
Having said that, the early posts to D., were great. One drug leads to another. Medusa, I wish you the best. Think about some of the good advice given early on with the toher post. Seek medical help and non-narcotic alternatives. Good luck. Pain sucks...sucks hard. Beck
Beck makes a good point. People come here for honesty. We owe it to them to make sure they get it. All the molly coddling in the world isn't going to save an addicts life. We are hard core because this disease is hard core.
cg
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Thanks Beck!
Lisa, I understand that better than most. I needed a swift kick in the a** to get me going. Without people like you I would most likely still be in using hell.
Somehow by reading Deirdre's posts, I saw her agony and her great desire to stay off opiates. I just think in her case we could have used a more gentle aproach. This woman is in misery. She was desperate. I saw no indication that she was seeking a high....only relief from her pain. She tried to be honest and in a place where that wouldn't be taken lightly.
My position was clear, I don't think pot is acceptable.
I just hated to see her feel unwelcome and attacked when she was already so vulnerable.
And if we're all honest, we really don't know what we'd do in her situation. We could have all told her that wasn't the best method while at the same time understanding how she could find no other alternative.
How could we make a meeting when we are doubled over in pain? Or seek medical attention with no insurance and a debt at the ER?
I will support her now and support her when this is over and she is in better health.
I would do no less for you. If you came to me under those same circumstances, I would understand. I wouldn't encourage you to smoke pot, but I wouldn't kick you when you were down either.
Imho, this is what friends do. We give tough love when it's the right time, we don't judge, and we show love to those who need it badly.
Love, Kat
Lisa, I understand that better than most. I needed a swift kick in the a** to get me going. Without people like you I would most likely still be in using hell.
Somehow by reading Deirdre's posts, I saw her agony and her great desire to stay off opiates. I just think in her case we could have used a more gentle aproach. This woman is in misery. She was desperate. I saw no indication that she was seeking a high....only relief from her pain. She tried to be honest and in a place where that wouldn't be taken lightly.
My position was clear, I don't think pot is acceptable.
I just hated to see her feel unwelcome and attacked when she was already so vulnerable.
And if we're all honest, we really don't know what we'd do in her situation. We could have all told her that wasn't the best method while at the same time understanding how she could find no other alternative.
How could we make a meeting when we are doubled over in pain? Or seek medical attention with no insurance and a debt at the ER?
I will support her now and support her when this is over and she is in better health.
I would do no less for you. If you came to me under those same circumstances, I would understand. I wouldn't encourage you to smoke pot, but I wouldn't kick you when you were down either.
Imho, this is what friends do. We give tough love when it's the right time, we don't judge, and we show love to those who need it badly.
Love, Kat
Deidre
You could not be more wrong, we all love you, & only want you to see what your doing to yourself, if no one cared they wouldn't even have responded, we all see a young lady who through no fault of her own is in pain, has no insurance & are having a tough time........What's scarey is your self-medicating for anyone of us, under the best of circunstances it usually leads back to full blown addiction, I Know you don't think that, but if you had been out there as long as me........You would believe it, people just care, deidre, please understand that........No one is trying to act superior, they just see where your headed, Don't take that as critisism, take it as love.......because that's what it is, Please don't leave the board, you have to have something to hold on to right now, until you can get help. Let the board help you
Love Dottie
You could not be more wrong, we all love you, & only want you to see what your doing to yourself, if no one cared they wouldn't even have responded, we all see a young lady who through no fault of her own is in pain, has no insurance & are having a tough time........What's scarey is your self-medicating for anyone of us, under the best of circunstances it usually leads back to full blown addiction, I Know you don't think that, but if you had been out there as long as me........You would believe it, people just care, deidre, please understand that........No one is trying to act superior, they just see where your headed, Don't take that as critisism, take it as love.......because that's what it is, Please don't leave the board, you have to have something to hold on to right now, until you can get help. Let the board help you
Love Dottie
Sorry Kat, but I think you're off base on this one. D's the prime example of someone who will take sympathy and run it for all it's worth. I see so much of myself in her, I was exactly like that. Tell me it's ok and you bet, it was ok, I ok'd myself almost to death.
I've got all the sympathy in the world for recovery addicts, I have none for those that won't listen.
I love you
Lisa
I've got all the sympathy in the world for recovery addicts, I have none for those that won't listen.
I love you
Lisa
Kat I used my pain and illnesses for many years. I lost 4+yrs doing exactly what deirdre is doing. Poor Jeffrey is it not amazing how he can work on one leg--BLA BLA BLA--I was drinking on barbituates -benzos and snorting oxy. I decided to get help. I fought to get into a sub program and just got lucky that my Doctor is the best addiction specialist in the world. I told her the truth and have done everything she has asked of me since june 2004--she saved my life
Deirdre needs help. All I have read is exscuses. People with the sweetie this and sweetie that well that may sound so nice but its all B.S
I do not care if anyone takes offense. Deidre used freakin X BOOM you can diefrom one hit. Percs pot -who knows what else. Look at her past posts. This post about Pot was not very cool.IMO
If she has this awful pain call 911 and get it taken care of. Fight for your body like you fight for the drugs. Use all that energy to find a solution.
That is what I did. If not Kat I would be DEAD no if'sand's or but's
Deirdre is on her way to a badplace. Lots of people DIE--FACT
Be good Kat--Jeff
Deirdre needs help. All I have read is exscuses. People with the sweetie this and sweetie that well that may sound so nice but its all B.S
I do not care if anyone takes offense. Deidre used freakin X BOOM you can diefrom one hit. Percs pot -who knows what else. Look at her past posts. This post about Pot was not very cool.IMO
If she has this awful pain call 911 and get it taken care of. Fight for your body like you fight for the drugs. Use all that energy to find a solution.
That is what I did. If not Kat I would be DEAD no if'sand's or but's
Deirdre is on her way to a badplace. Lots of people DIE--FACT
Be good Kat--Jeff
Hi Jeff, I totally respect what you're saying. I agree with you to a great extent. I meant no harm towards anyone in what I said. My heart just goes out to her and I thought she needed some compassion and understanding. Extreme pain is a terrible thing. I just hoped that we could tell her these things in a gentle way considering she is in such misery.
Perhaps she can benefit from all our different aproaches.
I don't want to see her leave the board. I think she needs us.
Take care, Jeff. You have much to add to the board. Love,Kat
Perhaps she can benefit from all our different aproaches.
I don't want to see her leave the board. I think she needs us.
Take care, Jeff. You have much to add to the board. Love,Kat
Hi Kat
I am not a mean person. Compassion god you have no idea how much of it I have for my fellow addict.
But this woman has been for a while posting what I think is a cry for help.
In return she has gotten no help whatso ever. This disease KILLS. I read she did X do you know how dangerous just one hit is? It can screw up your spine -death -pot? percs? Response? that blew mky mind.
Kat what she needs is vitamins exercise an addiction specialist AA a sponsor as she has dual issues. Chronic pain leads to the worst depression.
All I read are marylin Manson quotes. Instead of AA quotes.
I do not know enough about her but if my blood I get her in a rehab. All this Horse #hit I read about people not having insurance.
911 is your insurance and its free.
If our a real friend to this person you will see its time for her to stop B.S-ING and start her recovery.
JMHO--Jeff
I am not a mean person. Compassion god you have no idea how much of it I have for my fellow addict.
But this woman has been for a while posting what I think is a cry for help.
In return she has gotten no help whatso ever. This disease KILLS. I read she did X do you know how dangerous just one hit is? It can screw up your spine -death -pot? percs? Response? that blew mky mind.
Kat what she needs is vitamins exercise an addiction specialist AA a sponsor as she has dual issues. Chronic pain leads to the worst depression.
All I read are marylin Manson quotes. Instead of AA quotes.
I do not know enough about her but if my blood I get her in a rehab. All this Horse #hit I read about people not having insurance.
911 is your insurance and its free.
If our a real friend to this person you will see its time for her to stop B.S-ING and start her recovery.
JMHO--Jeff
Jeff
Could you please explain this statement?
"But this woman has been for a while posting what I think is a cry for help.
In return she has gotten no help whatso ever. "
Could you please explain this statement?
"But this woman has been for a while posting what I think is a cry for help.
In return she has gotten no help whatso ever. "
Do not mean that all the people did not try to help deirdre I just feel that she is in real trouble and in need of Professional help.
JMO this woman needs help we cannot offer. We can try to support her but she has an answer for evreyone.
I have seen it all and done it all. People DIE--I pray deirdre finds away to alleviate her pain so her life becomes manageable.
I pray she reads all the posts and see's that she is not alone. people care about her.
But 12 stepper nobody can help deirdre but deirdre. End of story.
Jeff
JMO this woman needs help we cannot offer. We can try to support her but she has an answer for evreyone.
I have seen it all and done it all. People DIE--I pray deirdre finds away to alleviate her pain so her life becomes manageable.
I pray she reads all the posts and see's that she is not alone. people care about her.
But 12 stepper nobody can help deirdre but deirdre. End of story.
Jeff
Jeff is absolutly right. She needs professional help. It's obvious that she's not going to listen to any of us. So maybe staying off the board will help her decide to look for help elsewhere. Professional help. Because if you guys keep telling her "oh poor Deirdra", she won't take this seriously. Yes, she needs compassion and sometimes I can be harsh, but like I said, this is a matter of life and death.
cowgirl
cowgirl
