Hey CAS
I read some of your info on the sub and the clonodine. My friend is having a B*tch of a time getting off the sub. I think she has pain issues too thats why she needs it. I wanted to ask you for the clonodine, how long did you take it for wd's? Can you just stop taking it when your ready? Maybe i can pass along this info to her and i like to know what i can for myself anyways.... thanks...:)
Also, I have a cool story behind the white pigeon if youre interested in hearing/reading...
I personally took the Clonidine on an as needed basis. There is a lot of info if you Google "clonidine and opiate withdrawal." There is so much info and I just can't say "take this much." I am saying it will stop many withdrawal symptoms, but the person needs to accept that they will not be on narcotics, which many addicts just are not ready to accept, no matter what they are saying. It comes in really tiny doses like Sub, but even smaller...it is in micrograms per kiligrams. I would take a 0.1 mg pill and divide it in half and take it when my symptoms would act up. You just need to read the research and decide for yourself. Nobody can say "do this and it works for everyone.." not when it comes to addictions. Let me know what you find. I want to continue this discussion because I believe Clonidine is the most effective drug to treat withdrawal symptoms. It is not a narcotic. It is not an addictive drug and nobody would take it for pleasure and they could do that with Sub and that is why Sub is so tricky for addicts to take and why they have such a hard time getting off of it. Remember with narcotics, the problems come in time, not right away...at first they make you feel great. Let me know. CAS.
Her husband is a dr.too, i wonder why he didnt prescribe it for her? maybe he did and i just dont know. One day she looks like death warmed over and the next time i see her she looks great. thanks for the info!
Firesign, I'm ALWAYS interested in a white pigeon story! Many doctors are quite clueless about drug use except what their drug reps tell them over their free lunches...sorry, I've seen it TOO many times and a bit cynical about how it all works. Tell me the story! CAS.
Ok heres the story...
My mom died about 5 years ago on Dec. 23. We were really close. She was sick in the hospital and went into a coma and my brother and I were going to have her taken off life support. (she had pulmonary hypertension, emphysema, cong. heart failure...then in hospital had a cerebral anyeurism which put her in the coma so taking her off life support was the best thing). while she was in a coma before taking her off the support i said my goodbyes to her and asked her to "send me a sign" (we always said whoever died first would leave each other a sign to reassure us). So that happend on Dec. 23, 2000. On January 1st, bright and early in the morning i opend my front door and there stood a pure white pigeon on my door step. We just looked at each other and the bird wasnt even scared. I looked to see if it had a broken wing or something but it didnt, he just got up and walked a couple steps but just hung around. It was so cool. My family and I went out that morning and when we came back it was gone. But then a lightbulb went off in my head, and i said "hey, a sign!!!!
Anyway, thats my story!!
My mom died about 5 years ago on Dec. 23. We were really close. She was sick in the hospital and went into a coma and my brother and I were going to have her taken off life support. (she had pulmonary hypertension, emphysema, cong. heart failure...then in hospital had a cerebral anyeurism which put her in the coma so taking her off life support was the best thing). while she was in a coma before taking her off the support i said my goodbyes to her and asked her to "send me a sign" (we always said whoever died first would leave each other a sign to reassure us). So that happend on Dec. 23, 2000. On January 1st, bright and early in the morning i opend my front door and there stood a pure white pigeon on my door step. We just looked at each other and the bird wasnt even scared. I looked to see if it had a broken wing or something but it didnt, he just got up and walked a couple steps but just hung around. It was so cool. My family and I went out that morning and when we came back it was gone. But then a lightbulb went off in my head, and i said "hey, a sign!!!!
Anyway, thats my story!!
That is a very wonderful story! White pigeons are very lovely indeed. I just got a standard issue pigeon with a broken wing as well. I just have always saved any and all injured birds. I have a one winged dove I've had for 5 years and I just can't NOT pick up an injured bird. I dread what the bird flu epidemic will do to people-bird relations in this world. Birds are our friends and they symbolize so much to man. Look at that white pigeon that your Mom sent you as a sign. I mean what would have been a better sign? Not much, 'eh? Thank you for the story. Have a Happy Haloween. CAS.
HAVE A HAPPY HALLOWEEN TOO!!!
I love birds also and i love watching them. We have a bird feeder and every year at the same time we get a male and female cardinal, blue jays, mocking birds, doves, black and brown birds, orioles, and ever quacker parrots. Theyre awesome!!!
I love birds also and i love watching them. We have a bird feeder and every year at the same time we get a male and female cardinal, blue jays, mocking birds, doves, black and brown birds, orioles, and ever quacker parrots. Theyre awesome!!!
CAS regarding Suboxene
Its not the pill that did it for me.That just made the W/D quite easy. It was the therapy--meetings weekly drug testing--monthly appointments with Sub doc.and getting on this board where someone lit a fuse under my a** and i went back to meetings. Not forever but for today.
Again we are all different. I have read where people say sub is a crutch substitution. I strongly disagree.
Anyway whatever works I am all for. I would just hate for people to stay away from this program. It works if you work it.
Jeff
Its not the pill that did it for me.That just made the W/D quite easy. It was the therapy--meetings weekly drug testing--monthly appointments with Sub doc.and getting on this board where someone lit a fuse under my a** and i went back to meetings. Not forever but for today.
Again we are all different. I have read where people say sub is a crutch substitution. I strongly disagree.
Anyway whatever works I am all for. I would just hate for people to stay away from this program. It works if you work it.
Jeff
I am new here but I feel like im sposed to experince these withdralls,,im not a dr but they say what dont kill ya will make ya stronger..I feel like im sposed to learn somthing from being this sick..like not to be a dumbass again...hello anyone home...and thanks again to all who posted to me hope I dont piss ppl off
with my opinons
Steve
Steveholdem123@yahoo.com
with my opinons
Steve
Steveholdem123@yahoo.com
We addicts are so tricky to deal with. I know that fear of the wds were part of the reason I kept using, but I suppose now that I am sober fear of what I could be without my dysfunction is more the reason I believe. Not that I'm NOT dysfunctional, just not AS dysfunctional. I know that at some point even if you are on Sub you will have some wds. You just don't get away without some wds with a narcotics addiction, no matter how you get off of them. I KNOW we are all VERY alike and very different, but some people want to feel the wds. It is not fun, but to be that sick is kind of a new physical experience and isn't addiction partially about new and novel physical and emotonal experiences. If we can write about our wds as a real experience then maybe people won't fear it so much. Hey now that it's over I feel like a woman who gave birth without an epidural...I have pride in it. I have pride in the fact that I did it at home and sufferered and made it through to the other side. I'll always have that, no matter what I do in life, I know that I can suffer and make it. It gives me a confidence I wouldn't otherwise have. I just want to encourage the people out there who think they need a rehab facility or something to get them through. It's not all rose colored glasses over on this side,.but it has advantages like not spending over $1000 a week on drugs and wearing short sleeves and no bracelets to cover my arms and not sneezing and getting that horrible stomach ache every 4 hours when my drugs were wearing off and not being so constipated and having food taste good again and having a good relationship with my parents and so on. I miss my drugs, but then I think of what my life was REALLY like on them and they lied to me about how much fun they were. They still try to lie to me. My brain is altered from all of those drugs and I have to watch it all the time...no letting up. CAS.
