With permission, I share the following experiences from friends of mine, whose names will remain anonymous out of respect their spiritual foundation. This details their experiences with net-pharms". To anyone who may be ordering drugs online, you may want to read. I hope something that is shared here will help you, if you find yourself in this predicament.
There is a solution!
Hugs ~
Sammy
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My drug-a-log is the same as any street drug user. I had my repetitive bouts with cocaine, crack, ecstasy, pot and various other illicit drugs. I drank through all of it. It wasnt until 2001 after a corneal transplant that I was introduced to narcs. I dabbled but never got heavy until after that painful experience. I was actually under the influence of Fentanyl during my dabbling of narcs and caused a near fatal car accident. It was six months after that I was on my knees screaming, looking for a way out. The painkillers did me in and ripped my soul from me.
I have coined the phrase Net-Pharms for obvious reasons. The Internet became my crop field of pills and I farmed them daily for pharmaceuticals. After my accident I began to Doctor shop. I had licit drugs had licit drugs at this point and looked at it differently than street dope. Some weeks I had as many as 12 Doctors and others as few as two. It depended on how good of a show I could put on for the medical staff. We all know the tricks there. It eventually became clear in my mind that 100 Doctors would not be enough. I had a few sources on the street to acquire stock bottles of OCs and such, but it was never enough. The city I live was beginning a pilot program for wireless Internet services at rock bottom prices. I signed up and had a new source for my licit drugs.
I placed a few Practice orders orders as the paid for instructional web services suggested. There were ones that had me wire money to California, ones that were C.O.D and others that simply took credit cards. All of the websites claimed it was legal. If you look today they still claim no shame. I would do there dumb Questionnaire and have the drugs delivered. It was great I did this daily and tracked the orders up to my door. When they were late I would call UPSs sort facility and have it tracked down. I had notes on my door daily for the deliveryman. Eventually I was able to get the delivery drivers personal cell phone when he called the number on my door as the note instructed. I called him incessantly even when he wasnt working. I still didnt have enough dope. I began making names up, ordering to my neighbors house and looking for FASTER delivery companies. The money I was spending was astronomical when I think of it today. 1200-2000 dollars a week. My efforts to sell what little I could spare were laughable.
On January 27th of this year I went to local vet where the UPS man was waiting for me. I had a money order for one of the packages and the other two I would pick up at UPS the next day. When I arrived the next day they were not there. I was told they were sent back because I refused them. I cleared that up quick and they said they would have them on Monday. I threw a fit but resided to the fact I would have to ration my last 60 pills. Monday morning I received a phone call from UPS saying my package would be there at ten. I was not to come before 10 AM as they were closed. I knew that wasnt true and something was amiss but I needed my dope.
I arrived to locked doors and I knocked and was let in, I gave them my money order and signed for the package, got in my car, ripped the package open and swallowed four Loris. I was on the road 4 minutes and a Sheriff came barreling up on me. Hit his lights and stopped me. He announced that I was to open my window and kill the engine. I did so and he crept up on me. I looked and he had a gun drawn. I knew at this point it wasnt because I was driving without a license. Just moments later a black SUV, (The type G-men drive), a sedan and two undercover Popos rolled up. Thats when I KNEW. I KNEW IT WAS OVER. I was searched and escorted to the back of a waiting car and questioned. They towed the car and brought me to jail. The lead detective informed me that they would be searching my home and needed the passwords for my computer. I gave them to him to save my computer from seizure. Mind you my girlfriend of ten years had NO knowledge of what I was doing. She knew something was awry just didnt know what. She was awakened to the DEA and the local police ready to ram the door down. Poor women! The UPS delivery driver saved my life.
That was that. I was contacted for two months with threats of federal Penitentiary time and offers of leniency if I talked. The truth was I had NO information for them. I eventually cooperated and guided them to exact companies and return addresses for the Net-Pharms. One in particular I was using was shut down within 5 days after I spoke with them and gave them the addresses I had. Shortly after that (about two weeks), a string of Pharms was closed on the east coast. 80 plus were raided and destroyed! 222 people were arrested. Links were made to India and other foreign countries. I have heard nothing further on it. The DEA website describes those operations but no resolution to date. I may or may not have had anything to do with the closing of the crooks mainstay. I like to think I shut those b a s t a r d s down. Again I have no clue.
My case was handed down to the local county level and was originally charged with a total of 25 felonies. The judge through those out due to lack of evidence. My hard drive and copies of delivery receipts were like having a photo of me getting a brown paper bag. The charges were reduced to 16 procurement counts. That was thrown out. In the end I pled to one felony and served two months in jail for my crimes.
Some say its a victimless crimeBS. The money I stole from loved ones and others, where the money wentwho knows? Maybe terrorism. I continue to see the local detectives, and constantly thank them. My solution arrived in the form of the 12 steps. It could not work any other way for me. If I quit drugs and do nothing to supplement that loss I would be a miserable person to be around. The steps give me the ability to fill that void and repair the mental brain damage I have incurred. I am no longer in hopeless state of obsession. I have learned to love more than just myself. I have the ability to help others today. In the last 11 months of recovery I have experienced through the steps, a high that no drug could ever have the ability to give me. I have been given the option to say NO. I have wrote a letter to the UPS man explaining the whole thing and apologizing to him. I handed the letter to him personally today when he delivered a recovery book from Barnes and Noble. I hugged him. He was awestruck and a bit freaked by the look in his eyes.
I actually became well acquainted with a member of the DEA diversion task force and learned a lot. First and foremost I learned that no matter where you are, in whatever state, its a felony to possess CSA scheduled drugs from a Doctor you have never physically met. Its simply against the law. They are catching up with this quickly! I was the first in my county to get caught 11 months ago. They have since caught 7 others. My county is small. If you get your dope over the Internet, watch out! They are watching YOU!
Thats the end of my Net-Pharm career. I may post the letter I wrote to the UPS man.
Truly yours,
And addict grateful for recovery
i wanted to post, since i thought that some of the new members might read this, and not know the dangers. i don't have time right now, to go into by bio........let me just share my experience real quick.
i was a budget, volume internet pill shopper. I bought in volume, because that is what addicts do. Although i was never arrested, criminally, I was sanctioned by Customs.
What i had failed to understand, was that after I placed my order, that my medications were actually being shipped from Taiwan. Trust me, that was no where on the site. When my last set of packages came into the US, US Customs began an investigation, and when they tracked them to all to me, i was arraigned for importing narcotics into the United States.
I am now flagged by Customs, and i am unable to travel across any border without prior approval, and without a extensive search. (have not tried yet, but that is what they tell me.)
Wanted to pass this on, to show that there are numerous illegalities to ordering mediations over the internet.
Another addict grateful for recovery
i was a budget, volume internet pill shopper. I bought in volume, because that is what addicts do. Although i was never arrested, criminally, I was sanctioned by Customs.
What i had failed to understand, was that after I placed my order, that my medications were actually being shipped from Taiwan. Trust me, that was no where on the site. When my last set of packages came into the US, US Customs began an investigation, and when they tracked them to all to me, i was arraigned for importing narcotics into the United States.
I am now flagged by Customs, and i am unable to travel across any border without prior approval, and without a extensive search. (have not tried yet, but that is what they tell me.)
Wanted to pass this on, to show that there are numerous illegalities to ordering mediations over the internet.
Another addict grateful for recovery
Here is the link to the DEA Net Pharm investigation and arrests that I was involved with. Johar Saran was the name on most my Rx bottles. He is now in prison along with 11 others from the day of the raid. Sounds like they have my money orders...I bet they are in the mail right now on they way back to me to be returned, now that Im clean and all. I am just sure of it! Cool beans!
http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr092105.html
This is the actual article:
DEA Disables Major Pharmaceutical Internet Scheme
New Virtual Enforcement Initiative Announced
SEP 21--(Washington, D.C.)- In Dallas, Texas, today Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Karen P. Tandy announced the culmination of Operation CYBERx, a multi-faceted Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation targeting major alleged pharmaceutical drug traffickers operating solely in the United States.
Recognizing that criminals are facilitating more drug-related crimes through the use of 21st century technology, the DEA, along with their law enforcement counterparts today arrested 18 people for allegedly selling pharmaceutical drugs illegally over the Internet. Those arrested include the ringleaders of more than 4,600 rogue Internet pharmacy websites.
This DEA-led investigative effort is the first to target e-trafficking located solely within the United States. The alleged drug dealers who operated these rogue internet pharmacies received prescription orders for controlled substances over the Internet, which were then shipped to the doors of many U.S. citizens-sometimes without any prescription needed. These alleged criminal pharmaceutical drug traffickers averaged more than $50,000 a day in profits from their illegal Internet based enterprise.
Todays arrests included Johar Saran, of Arlington, TX; Gaston Blanchet and Gil Lozano, of Miami, FL; S. Ted Solomon, of Orlando, FL; and Steve Rosner, of Boca Raton, FL. These individuals are the alleged ringleaders of this multi-million dollar drug distribution network.
Operation CYBERx is part of the DEAs Virtual Enforcement Initiative (VEI). This new DEA cyber initiative acknowledges that criminals in the drug trade are embracing the use of 21st century technology to peddle their poisons into U.S. communities.
DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy said, Operation CYBERx puts out of business alleged cyber criminals who were selling powerful narcotics without legitimate prescriptions to anyone with a computer and cash. These high-tech drug dealers were fueling addictions by selling the very drugs intended to prevent and treat ailmentsnot inflict them. Just as important, this Operation makes more Americans aware that buying prescription drugs from these rogue websites is illegal and dangerous.
E-based illegal pharmacies allow abusers to easily access pharmaceutical drugs from the comfort of their homes. Without a doctors visit, sometimes without a prescription, without consulting with a pharmacist, any drug abuser with enough cash could have almost any quantity of prescription drugs-with door to door delivery. With DEA-led efforts under the VEI, e-traffickers will find difficulty in luring our nations youth to their on-line pharmacies for easy access to drugs.
The VEI concept was realized last April when DEA led Operation Cyber Chase, which resulted in more than 20 arrests in eight U.S. cities and four foreign countries; shutting down an organization that ran over 200 web sites illegally selling what were identified as pharmaceutical drugs. This year-long OCDETF investigation targeted international Internet pharmaceutical traffickers operating in the United States, India, Asia, Europe and the Caribbean. These e-traffickers also distributed drugs world-wide using rogue Internet pharmacies.
In January 2005, DEA launched a toll-free international hotline (1-877-RX-ABUSE) for anonymous reporting of the illegal sale and abuse of controlled substances. In addition to the 18 individuals arrested as part of Operation CYBERx, seven luxury cars, 2,400 checks and money orders from individual customers, and several boxes of cash were seized.
http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr092105.html
This is the actual article:
DEA Disables Major Pharmaceutical Internet Scheme
New Virtual Enforcement Initiative Announced
SEP 21--(Washington, D.C.)- In Dallas, Texas, today Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Karen P. Tandy announced the culmination of Operation CYBERx, a multi-faceted Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation targeting major alleged pharmaceutical drug traffickers operating solely in the United States.
Recognizing that criminals are facilitating more drug-related crimes through the use of 21st century technology, the DEA, along with their law enforcement counterparts today arrested 18 people for allegedly selling pharmaceutical drugs illegally over the Internet. Those arrested include the ringleaders of more than 4,600 rogue Internet pharmacy websites.
This DEA-led investigative effort is the first to target e-trafficking located solely within the United States. The alleged drug dealers who operated these rogue internet pharmacies received prescription orders for controlled substances over the Internet, which were then shipped to the doors of many U.S. citizens-sometimes without any prescription needed. These alleged criminal pharmaceutical drug traffickers averaged more than $50,000 a day in profits from their illegal Internet based enterprise.
Todays arrests included Johar Saran, of Arlington, TX; Gaston Blanchet and Gil Lozano, of Miami, FL; S. Ted Solomon, of Orlando, FL; and Steve Rosner, of Boca Raton, FL. These individuals are the alleged ringleaders of this multi-million dollar drug distribution network.
Operation CYBERx is part of the DEAs Virtual Enforcement Initiative (VEI). This new DEA cyber initiative acknowledges that criminals in the drug trade are embracing the use of 21st century technology to peddle their poisons into U.S. communities.
DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy said, Operation CYBERx puts out of business alleged cyber criminals who were selling powerful narcotics without legitimate prescriptions to anyone with a computer and cash. These high-tech drug dealers were fueling addictions by selling the very drugs intended to prevent and treat ailmentsnot inflict them. Just as important, this Operation makes more Americans aware that buying prescription drugs from these rogue websites is illegal and dangerous.
E-based illegal pharmacies allow abusers to easily access pharmaceutical drugs from the comfort of their homes. Without a doctors visit, sometimes without a prescription, without consulting with a pharmacist, any drug abuser with enough cash could have almost any quantity of prescription drugs-with door to door delivery. With DEA-led efforts under the VEI, e-traffickers will find difficulty in luring our nations youth to their on-line pharmacies for easy access to drugs.
The VEI concept was realized last April when DEA led Operation Cyber Chase, which resulted in more than 20 arrests in eight U.S. cities and four foreign countries; shutting down an organization that ran over 200 web sites illegally selling what were identified as pharmaceutical drugs. This year-long OCDETF investigation targeted international Internet pharmaceutical traffickers operating in the United States, India, Asia, Europe and the Caribbean. These e-traffickers also distributed drugs world-wide using rogue Internet pharmacies.
In January 2005, DEA launched a toll-free international hotline (1-877-RX-ABUSE) for anonymous reporting of the illegal sale and abuse of controlled substances. In addition to the 18 individuals arrested as part of Operation CYBERx, seven luxury cars, 2,400 checks and money orders from individual customers, and several boxes of cash were seized.
Well, you have scared the heck out of me. That's ONE thing I didn't do. I'm sure the internet was my next option.
Sammy, Thanks for sharing that. I could write my own Net-pharm story. Mine did not end with me in jail, thank God, but I certainly can relate to everything else in the first story. I even had my UPS guy's cell phone # and called him daily to double-check his arrival time. LOL
I am going to use that hotline # to report the people who, to this day, call my home 3-4 times a day offering me pills. I have done everything to make them stop, and it hasn't worked. I have actually called the DEA before, giving them names and addresses of who I bought pills from. They assured me they would look into it, but the people are still calling, so I assume they're not in jail yet.
Thanks again. If one person stops ordering because of your post, it will be worth it.
Hey Sam,
Good info. I bought loads from the net-pharms. Never pain meds, never could find them. But bottles and bottles of tranqs and fioricet and muscle relaxers.
Carol, they have finally stopped calling me. The fioricat was the most persistant. How I hated that. Stopping it all, especially the benzos took a lot out of me for a long time, and these guys are calling several times a week. It was hard not to order to say the least.
I'm so grateful I didn't get arrested. I thought it was legal for a long time. Found out it wasn't here. Also found out how addicting benzos are here as well. Didn't know that either, lol.
Thanks for the info Sammy.
Beck
Good info. I bought loads from the net-pharms. Never pain meds, never could find them. But bottles and bottles of tranqs and fioricet and muscle relaxers.
Carol, they have finally stopped calling me. The fioricat was the most persistant. How I hated that. Stopping it all, especially the benzos took a lot out of me for a long time, and these guys are calling several times a week. It was hard not to order to say the least.
I'm so grateful I didn't get arrested. I thought it was legal for a long time. Found out it wasn't here. Also found out how addicting benzos are here as well. Didn't know that either, lol.
Thanks for the info Sammy.
Beck
Wow, Sam.
I never ordered off the internet, it wasn't necessary for me as sources were everywhere but I did look at a site once probably FOUR years ago. To this day, I still get emails offering me every drug available. What I find really uncanny, is that I have long sincecrashed my computer and more than once, STILL, I get those things. Either they are relentless or everyone must get them. I don't understand why they're even hard to catch.
I take personal blame for my problem but I still think I'd rather see the law go after the dealers than the users.
I shook my head the other day when I read about an old source in the paper. Some sources I actually considered friends, but not her. She was the greediest in four counties. People went to her when everyone else was dry. The woman charged twice the amount of anyone else.
Anyhoo, that nice house and pool all of us sick people bought her aren't doing her much good these days.
To my shock though, as the police were raiding her (and it was a tremendous raid) people were knocking on the door trying to cop from her. Can you imagine the desperation or utter stupidity of those people? Police cars everywhere and they're walking up to her door! Sooo many people were arrested as a result of this. For one thing, people had sold her entire prescriptions with their names still on the labels...all went to jail. This was her third bust too. The first two she ratted out all the people she got her supply from and they ended up in jail. This time, she's gone for a long time. The money went to her head, I guess.
She never took a pill, but had no qualms about taking money from addicts, who btw, she looked at with disdain. I heard her laugh once about taking a woman's diaper money because she was so dope sick from oxys and desperate. Real funny, huh?
I never liked that woman and I sure have no sympathy for her plight now.
I know that we all have to take personal responsibility for our use and recovery, but it still sickens me a little to think of all those who aided in the destruction of human beings for their own personal gain.
xxxxooooo
I never ordered off the internet, it wasn't necessary for me as sources were everywhere but I did look at a site once probably FOUR years ago. To this day, I still get emails offering me every drug available. What I find really uncanny, is that I have long sincecrashed my computer and more than once, STILL, I get those things. Either they are relentless or everyone must get them. I don't understand why they're even hard to catch.
I take personal blame for my problem but I still think I'd rather see the law go after the dealers than the users.
I shook my head the other day when I read about an old source in the paper. Some sources I actually considered friends, but not her. She was the greediest in four counties. People went to her when everyone else was dry. The woman charged twice the amount of anyone else.
Anyhoo, that nice house and pool all of us sick people bought her aren't doing her much good these days.
To my shock though, as the police were raiding her (and it was a tremendous raid) people were knocking on the door trying to cop from her. Can you imagine the desperation or utter stupidity of those people? Police cars everywhere and they're walking up to her door! Sooo many people were arrested as a result of this. For one thing, people had sold her entire prescriptions with their names still on the labels...all went to jail. This was her third bust too. The first two she ratted out all the people she got her supply from and they ended up in jail. This time, she's gone for a long time. The money went to her head, I guess.
She never took a pill, but had no qualms about taking money from addicts, who btw, she looked at with disdain. I heard her laugh once about taking a woman's diaper money because she was so dope sick from oxys and desperate. Real funny, huh?
I never liked that woman and I sure have no sympathy for her plight now.
I know that we all have to take personal responsibility for our use and recovery, but it still sickens me a little to think of all those who aided in the destruction of human beings for their own personal gain.
xxxxooooo
Dear Sammy
THANK YOU for posting that!!!!!! That is such valuable information for anyone from the newcomers to the old farts like me :)
Love ya and God bless ya!
Rus........
THANK YOU for posting that!!!!!! That is such valuable information for anyone from the newcomers to the old farts like me :)
Love ya and God bless ya!
Rus........
Sam
Thanks so much for the post. I am one of those idiots who did order thru the net. I used multiple sites and my most favorite person was the Fed-ex guy.
I would have tried the cell phone #, but I was too busy looking "cool" to ask for it, but I did confirm each order and track it as soon as I could. There were times, the DEA site would come up and that threw me off for a sec., but I figured I didn't pertain to me. HaHa!!!
Thank God, I got out when I did. I've been clean for 2 yrs now and life is grand. I traveled out of state to work and often had at least 6 mo.(180 pills) supply, of course I had them so cleverly hidden in my socks and shoes. Clever me!!! I'm still getting calls from overseas and will use the DEA site to report the #. The thing that still scares me is that I used credit cards to purchase, but I haven't had any strange charges to this date, but talk about the ease someone could use for identity theft. The lengths we will go......
I hope no one else falls prey to these sites.
Thanks so much for the post. I am one of those idiots who did order thru the net. I used multiple sites and my most favorite person was the Fed-ex guy.
I would have tried the cell phone #, but I was too busy looking "cool" to ask for it, but I did confirm each order and track it as soon as I could. There were times, the DEA site would come up and that threw me off for a sec., but I figured I didn't pertain to me. HaHa!!!
Thank God, I got out when I did. I've been clean for 2 yrs now and life is grand. I traveled out of state to work and often had at least 6 mo.(180 pills) supply, of course I had them so cleverly hidden in my socks and shoes. Clever me!!! I'm still getting calls from overseas and will use the DEA site to report the #. The thing that still scares me is that I used credit cards to purchase, but I haven't had any strange charges to this date, but talk about the ease someone could use for identity theft. The lengths we will go......
I hope no one else falls prey to these sites.
wow..............................
i had no idea.................................thanks sammy...............
i had no idea.................................thanks sammy...............
I remember that story and the person who posted it. It was a HUGE factor in my final decision to get clean. Reading it a few months ago was exactly what I needed at the time, and it certainly did the trick for me. After reading it, suddenly I was able to pick my head up and actually see my actions as they really were. Suddenly, I could not longer make excuses about the blurred, distorted way I saw myself and my actions. That story gave me clarity, whether I wanted it or not, and with clarity, becoming drug free came soon after.
Posting that story again will likely do the same thing for someone else as it did for me. I certainly hope so. Thank you dsam.
Posting that story again will likely do the same thing for someone else as it did for me. I certainly hope so. Thank you dsam.
if this thread helps just one addict who is procuring their drug of choice off the internet, then so be it. it this thread helps to shut down just one of these rogue pharmacy on the internet, then so be it.
thank you all for your loving, nuturing, comments regarding this topic. i do believe this is a topic that should be kept forefront on the main page for all. so many don't realize the repercussions of their actions when participating in this behavior...like living in active addiction, these repercussions have the potential to strip one of their freedom.
hugs all around ~
sammy
thank you all for your loving, nuturing, comments regarding this topic. i do believe this is a topic that should be kept forefront on the main page for all. so many don't realize the repercussions of their actions when participating in this behavior...like living in active addiction, these repercussions have the potential to strip one of their freedom.
hugs all around ~
sammy
in light of some of the recent messages that have been posted on this board, i thought i would bump this thread up to gently nudge anyone who may be contemplating or have procurred their drug of choice from net-pharms. the first three messages in this thread are from friends of mine who relate their experience with these pharmacies.
please, please, please, anyone who is thinking of doing this - obtaining drugs online - without a prescription from a physician that they have seen face to face, read this. the consequences that can occur from such action, as you will read, can be severe. if this message just helps one person who is caught in the throes of active addiction, then so be it.
i stand by my original statement in this thread - there is a solution to the insanity of addiction.
hugs all around ~
sammy
yes......................due the recent post.............i was trying so hard to remember this story..................because it scared me.
and i wanted so badly to bump it and she could read it and get scared too.
and it took away any thoughts i had of ordering online.
i had never done that..............and i have to admit............
after reading some post it was kind of a trigger for me.........................
the old me was thinking "great idea..........online order"
and then this story comes back very strong to my memory..................
yep..the story was from you sammy and it sure was a good one...............
sure does scare me and stops those crazy ideas that i get............
thank you for your wisdom and the lord uses other people and their struggles to help save another from repeating the same mistake...........
and getting into big trouble..................
i certainly am going to always remember this story............
thanks sammy..................for the bump.............
and i wanted so badly to bump it and she could read it and get scared too.
and it took away any thoughts i had of ordering online.
i had never done that..............and i have to admit............
after reading some post it was kind of a trigger for me.........................
the old me was thinking "great idea..........online order"
and then this story comes back very strong to my memory..................
yep..the story was from you sammy and it sure was a good one...............
sure does scare me and stops those crazy ideas that i get............
thank you for your wisdom and the lord uses other people and their struggles to help save another from repeating the same mistake...........
and getting into big trouble..................
i certainly am going to always remember this story............
thanks sammy..................for the bump.............
very very good story.....................it scares me..........................
spread the word..........................
spread the word..........................
Good info to keep bumping up for newcomers. I never did order online but did research it. One of those researches led me here. Thank God I hit this link instead of the other....
I was so close...
I was so close...
WOW..........That is scarey, I almost did it once but couldn't find my credit card
I had no clue you could get in trouble, another lesson learned.
THANK YOU SAMMY
Love Dottie
I had no clue you could get in trouble, another lesson learned.
THANK YOU SAMMY
Love Dottie
Bump & keep bumping, it's so worth reading
Another note for people considering ordering off the net. ( since I just did it last week, I've found this out). NOW what they are doing instead of calling you relentlesslly? They are sending them to you COD. Twice now I've turned away ( or had hubby do it actually ) the fed ex guy at the door with a packet of my favorite dope if only I'd pay them an HUGE amount of money. When I think of the thousands of dollars I used to spend a month its ugly.
So anyway, I only took the pills for a couple of days and didnt take more then 20, I'm still having w/d's. stomach is upset, shaking, really really restless. I probly shouldnt go to work tonight but I figured between some kava kava and being able to hide away and chain smoke ( which I only do when i"m w/d's BTW ) and some imodium I should be okay. I've taken an awful lot of days off this last 8 weeks.
The only reason I"m not panicking, thinkng the fed ex guy might get me at a weak moment with a wallet full of cash, is because I live on state property with an armed person at the gates. I called and told them not to let the driver in withmy name on anything. Other wise I'd be PHUCKED.
Would that DEA site be interested to know thats what they are doing now? Opinions anyone?
Kelly
So anyway, I only took the pills for a couple of days and didnt take more then 20, I'm still having w/d's. stomach is upset, shaking, really really restless. I probly shouldnt go to work tonight but I figured between some kava kava and being able to hide away and chain smoke ( which I only do when i"m w/d's BTW ) and some imodium I should be okay. I've taken an awful lot of days off this last 8 weeks.
The only reason I"m not panicking, thinkng the fed ex guy might get me at a weak moment with a wallet full of cash, is because I live on state property with an armed person at the gates. I called and told them not to let the driver in withmy name on anything. Other wise I'd be PHUCKED.
Would that DEA site be interested to know thats what they are doing now? Opinions anyone?
Kelly
Kat,
When you talked about the cops raiding one of your source's homes and people STILL ringing the doorbell, I had to laugh.....
When I used to go to the local pain clinic (by the way, I wasn't worried about being busted, since I had all the necessary MRI's and didn't go to any other clinics - they looked for people doctor shopping and people who were diverting drugs), if I even THOUGHT there was someone in there that might be an undercover cop, I would ask to come back the next day.
About 6 months after I got clean, I started noticing a bunch of these places getting busted (not mine, though.... I guess mine was one of the only ones that actually required you to have paperwork and/or medical tests....).... And you would see it on the news..... The cops would have the place surrounded, carrying out computers, and customers would STILL be walking up to the door, asking if they could go in.
(By the way, every single person that walked up and tried to go in the clinic had their name ran in the system and their cars and persons searched.... Almost ALL of them either had previous warrants or had drugs with them that either were illegal or that they didn't have a script for....)
It seemed crazy to me that you could see a drug bust going on, know that you have drugs on you, and STILL try to go in the place that's being raided. But I guess some people were soooooo desparate that they didn't care - it was worth the risk.
Another doctor, who operated several pain clinics around the city, just went to jail and is facing a minimum of 20 years...... She lived in a million dollar home and the police found over 2 million dollars IN CASH stashed around her home (by the way, her assets were freezed and the money confiscated, so now she has nothing)....
And that made me sick because, while I always had enough money for my addiction (though I hate to think of other things I could have done with all of that $$$$$$), I would sit at my pain clinic and see the poorest of people, all sitting there, waiting to pay their $100-$200 to get their scripts.
These were people who were so broke that they didn't have cars (had to catch a cab), their kids would be wearing rags, some lived in hotels..... Yet at least $200-$400 a month was going to pills (probably more if you count the cost of pills and if they were doctor shopping, too) and at least half these people were probably only making a little more than that for the entire month.
And this doctor had a GORGEOUS home and she, too, was quoted putting down the "addicts", blaming them, and saying someone like HER isn't to blame (she was a doctor that DIDN'T require you to have proof of need before dispensing pills)..
Boy, I am sooooo glad to be away from all of that!!!!!!!!!!!! God bless this website and suboxone..... without all of you and the treatment I chose, I might still be risking jail or more every single day....
Danni
When you talked about the cops raiding one of your source's homes and people STILL ringing the doorbell, I had to laugh.....
When I used to go to the local pain clinic (by the way, I wasn't worried about being busted, since I had all the necessary MRI's and didn't go to any other clinics - they looked for people doctor shopping and people who were diverting drugs), if I even THOUGHT there was someone in there that might be an undercover cop, I would ask to come back the next day.
About 6 months after I got clean, I started noticing a bunch of these places getting busted (not mine, though.... I guess mine was one of the only ones that actually required you to have paperwork and/or medical tests....).... And you would see it on the news..... The cops would have the place surrounded, carrying out computers, and customers would STILL be walking up to the door, asking if they could go in.
(By the way, every single person that walked up and tried to go in the clinic had their name ran in the system and their cars and persons searched.... Almost ALL of them either had previous warrants or had drugs with them that either were illegal or that they didn't have a script for....)
It seemed crazy to me that you could see a drug bust going on, know that you have drugs on you, and STILL try to go in the place that's being raided. But I guess some people were soooooo desparate that they didn't care - it was worth the risk.
Another doctor, who operated several pain clinics around the city, just went to jail and is facing a minimum of 20 years...... She lived in a million dollar home and the police found over 2 million dollars IN CASH stashed around her home (by the way, her assets were freezed and the money confiscated, so now she has nothing)....
And that made me sick because, while I always had enough money for my addiction (though I hate to think of other things I could have done with all of that $$$$$$), I would sit at my pain clinic and see the poorest of people, all sitting there, waiting to pay their $100-$200 to get their scripts.
These were people who were so broke that they didn't have cars (had to catch a cab), their kids would be wearing rags, some lived in hotels..... Yet at least $200-$400 a month was going to pills (probably more if you count the cost of pills and if they were doctor shopping, too) and at least half these people were probably only making a little more than that for the entire month.
And this doctor had a GORGEOUS home and she, too, was quoted putting down the "addicts", blaming them, and saying someone like HER isn't to blame (she was a doctor that DIDN'T require you to have proof of need before dispensing pills)..
Boy, I am sooooo glad to be away from all of that!!!!!!!!!!!! God bless this website and suboxone..... without all of you and the treatment I chose, I might still be risking jail or more every single day....
Danni
