Hi there everyone.
My name is Ali. Where do i start?I am going to try to stay on the problem at hand and not get into the latest name calling or accusations that have just been whipped my way on the Dante chain. These accusers are from the PA website and the reason i left. Just so everyone here knows..Im not Dante..LOLOL
I do however like his posts very much. I suppose that I could have changed my name and then come here for advise but I would feel that doing that would mean I am actually hiding something.so here goes. please those of you from PA do not start this we think you are Dante or elisabeth or whatever...just let me deal with this problem and ask others advise.. I need help.
I started to realize I had a problem recently with narcotics when my pain level dropped.I have a non cancerous tumor on my bone and it has caused me a lot of pain. Tried just about every doctor including some in the u.s and Europe and I was told to live withthe pain and take narcotics as needed.
Taking them as needed worked for many years.
Recently when the pain level dropped I found that I could not function well without the pills, besides having withdrawal, I can see that i need them just to function, to get house work done. I have no motivation without them. I realize that i have been more than taking as needed for physical pain, i've been taking as needed for mental pain or motivation or whatever....
The pain Dr has been a God sent to me in my time of need and has listened to my concerns. he thinks I am over reacting, but agreed to taper me off. Istarted the taper 4 days ago and have not been feeling well at all..the worst thing is the constant anxiety.The other bad thing is I am again having pain.
Ive read that the brain remembers the pain and that you can be getting the memory of pain, which is very confusing to me because to me it feels the same. Want to cut off your arm with a power saw bone pain. Can not do yoga or meditate or read a book when i have it kind of pain..
Has anyone else out there had a successful journey from using narcotics for pain and was able to stop??? I can take the w/ds i just cant take the pain well.
Then i get confused and think well this is what i should be taking them for...and maybe if i just take them for bad pain etcc... but it seems that I dont do that anymore because I feel so crappy without them..i can no longer JUST take them for pain..
What a vicious cycle..
If anyone has any experience with this I would so appreciate to hear from you. I did read on Dantes suggestions and have the book the mood cure. Im waiting to see a Dr that specialzes in changes in the brain due to narcotics etc...next week some time.
Oh yeah, i tried going to 2 meetings but did not find that they are for me and the more i am exposed to the 12 step program, the less I think it will work for me.
( GOOD FOR EVERYONE IT SAVED..but its not for me sorry)
Anyone that has experiences with this please letmeknow. I am having such a terribl time with the w/d and my mind just cant get around the pain issue im almost feeling suicidal
Blessings to all,,
Ali
I know Ali. I tried a whole TWO meetings and didnt like it either. I was uncomfortable. I dont like that. I dont like to deal with life and stuff. Those steps arent for me either. That is why I like your way. I dont want to try doing them either. I have never tried them but I allready know they wont work just like you do. I did it Dantes way just like you did. How is working for you? Im not sure what his way is, he has not told any of us. But thats how I have to do it. The other way is too hard.
I with ya my sister!
I with ya my sister!
And dont worry, Im sure my friend Dante will be here soon to tell us how we can do this. I tried to call him but he is not home so I guess he is on his way. When it gets real bad in here and people are are bothering us is when he comes. He will tell everyone here that they are bad tooo I bet. There will be one more rpley from the jangler to you to help you as I am doing. We have good friends here.
Bye
Bye
Ali, I feel for you. I read your post in its entirety but am confused about what you need help with? To me, it sounds like your doing everything right..
Welcome to the board!!!
Please clarify..
Welcome to the board!!!
Please clarify..
It's a vicious cycle is right!!!Well the only advice I can give you is to taper off and then to have somone control your dosage so you not taking over what your prescribed cuz you sound like you have legitiment pain but like you said that vicious cycle prevents you from doing that cuz the feeling of relief of those darn pills give you!!!So good luck!!!
Hi Ali and Alifollower, welcome:
I need some clarifcation please. If the doctors have said (if i am reading your posts right, this bone disease will never go away? correct? if so why are you even thinking about coming off the pills?) and if you are wanting to do this for whatever reason, why are you not allowing your doctor to assist you with this? Does Canada have sub? if so, that may be the way to go.
Now don't take this wrong, I keep hearing about how you were successful The Dante way, yet you are asking for help regarding WD? Am I following along here?
Also the site he had posted I took it as it was something he had tried and was successful, not his book or his site, yes or no? I didn't see his name on the site. So I am confused about this one. If you are a follower of Dantes, why have you not bought the book that he suggested? Or have you?
I am all for making money and marketing, but when it comes to recovery we all want to hear about how people were successful, what methods they used and so on, but I would never come to a site like PA, NA, ARG or any other and board and post my book or manual without responding to those who have asked him questions. If he was clean because of this book, and it isn't his book, then he should have no problem answering (helping) those in dire need of information. Just because he spent money on some website and it worked for him, then in my opinion he should be telling all in detail what helped him recover and stay that way.
Example, CAS has posted on here more than once a site regarding natural minerals/ herbs that helped her thru WD, it isnt her site, she wanted to pass along information, but the difference is, she went into great detail about the products mentioned. None of which I have seen Dante do.
I am not one to assume that anyone posts under someone elses name, frankly unless a Moderator says, this person is so and so and trust me they know who is who, I just dont care. People are not stupid, they can tell when someone is sincere about helping them which is what this board is about, supporting, recovery, and love,
The thing I see here is Alifollower your saying you support Ali and Dantes way yet you havent tried their way? And Dante hasn't given you any responses to your questions, yet you support his book that you dont have yet? Same goes for you Ali.
Please clarify what I have written and if I have misread or misunderstood something, feel free to tell me. Not being a b**** here, I truly am trying to understand all of this.
Thank you and wishing you both well in your recovery.
Brook
I need some clarifcation please. If the doctors have said (if i am reading your posts right, this bone disease will never go away? correct? if so why are you even thinking about coming off the pills?) and if you are wanting to do this for whatever reason, why are you not allowing your doctor to assist you with this? Does Canada have sub? if so, that may be the way to go.
Now don't take this wrong, I keep hearing about how you were successful The Dante way, yet you are asking for help regarding WD? Am I following along here?
Also the site he had posted I took it as it was something he had tried and was successful, not his book or his site, yes or no? I didn't see his name on the site. So I am confused about this one. If you are a follower of Dantes, why have you not bought the book that he suggested? Or have you?
I am all for making money and marketing, but when it comes to recovery we all want to hear about how people were successful, what methods they used and so on, but I would never come to a site like PA, NA, ARG or any other and board and post my book or manual without responding to those who have asked him questions. If he was clean because of this book, and it isn't his book, then he should have no problem answering (helping) those in dire need of information. Just because he spent money on some website and it worked for him, then in my opinion he should be telling all in detail what helped him recover and stay that way.
Example, CAS has posted on here more than once a site regarding natural minerals/ herbs that helped her thru WD, it isnt her site, she wanted to pass along information, but the difference is, she went into great detail about the products mentioned. None of which I have seen Dante do.
I am not one to assume that anyone posts under someone elses name, frankly unless a Moderator says, this person is so and so and trust me they know who is who, I just dont care. People are not stupid, they can tell when someone is sincere about helping them which is what this board is about, supporting, recovery, and love,
The thing I see here is Alifollower your saying you support Ali and Dantes way yet you havent tried their way? And Dante hasn't given you any responses to your questions, yet you support his book that you dont have yet? Same goes for you Ali.
Please clarify what I have written and if I have misread or misunderstood something, feel free to tell me. Not being a b**** here, I truly am trying to understand all of this.
Thank you and wishing you both well in your recovery.
Brook
Brooke, Canada does not have Sub, but Ali will probably tell you that they do.
That is all I have to say on this subject, besides it is a mess.
That is all I have to say on this subject, besides it is a mess.
Thanks for the legit posts. I have no idea how i can answer some of the questions because im confused myself. No i have not yet seen a homeopathic dr to talk sbout Dantes suggestions re adrenaline amino acids or whatever..but am seeing one next week, next question lets see i want to stop taking them because i cansee that i am starting to need them just to function properly even whenim not in pain.
There is no Dante website nor is he seliing anything that ive heard or read., i think someone is making fun of him by wrting themselves as dantes follower. The person in charge of this website should know who they are, i assume a hater from PA.Same with "Ali follower"Thats where he started posting, and it seems now some of the obnoxious PA people are here and raising hell even worse than before.
I was hoping that someone else had the same xperience and had found there way out of the vicious cycle of pain meds but addressed their pain needs.
Someone posted they thought i was doingit right..Ill go with that and try to hangon to that thought.
I thankyou for taking the time to respind to my posts
To the PA haters that are making this bboard a chaotic nightmare and confusing as hell for everyone, i feel sorry for you, doesnt look like sobriety through the twelve steps worked that well for you at all.
Dont worry I wont be back here either. Consider yourselves won if you thought it was a battle. The only battle i wish to deal with right now is the one for my own life. Good luck
Ali
There is no Dante website nor is he seliing anything that ive heard or read., i think someone is making fun of him by wrting themselves as dantes follower. The person in charge of this website should know who they are, i assume a hater from PA.Same with "Ali follower"Thats where he started posting, and it seems now some of the obnoxious PA people are here and raising hell even worse than before.
I was hoping that someone else had the same xperience and had found there way out of the vicious cycle of pain meds but addressed their pain needs.
Someone posted they thought i was doingit right..Ill go with that and try to hangon to that thought.
I thankyou for taking the time to respind to my posts
To the PA haters that are making this bboard a chaotic nightmare and confusing as hell for everyone, i feel sorry for you, doesnt look like sobriety through the twelve steps worked that well for you at all.
Dont worry I wont be back here either. Consider yourselves won if you thought it was a battle. The only battle i wish to deal with right now is the one for my own life. Good luck
Ali
See ya.
Oh Flipper, she is already back under another alias. Yeppers, I have already busted her azz.
She posted as Alisellsdante in the moderators thread....
WHY DONT YOU ASK THE MODERATOR WHO THAT WAS IT WAS NOT ME!!! SOME ARE HAVING GREAT FUN NOW PRETENDING TO BE DANTE FOLLWERS, ALI FOLLOWERSAND THAT PERSON WAS NOT ME. ASK THE MODERATOR THO I EXPECT I WILL NEVER GET AN APOLOGY.
I KNOW ONE THING IS SURE THERE IS A HANDFUL OF PA MEMBERS THATHAVE GONE OUT OF THERE WAY TO COMEOVER TO THIS SITE AND NOW ARE PRETENDING OR SPREADING A RUMOR THAT DANTE WAS SELLING THINGS THAT DANTE HAS A WEB SITE AND NOW ARE EVEN POSTING AS IF THEY ARE ME.WHY DOYU THINK THEY USE MY NAME.
THIS IS f***ING TRAGIC TRAGIC I JUST ASKED FOR HELP.THANKS SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR KINDNESS IF EVER I WANTED TO USE FOR EMOTIONS IT SURE IS NOW
I KNOW ONE THING IS SURE THERE IS A HANDFUL OF PA MEMBERS THATHAVE GONE OUT OF THERE WAY TO COMEOVER TO THIS SITE AND NOW ARE PRETENDING OR SPREADING A RUMOR THAT DANTE WAS SELLING THINGS THAT DANTE HAS A WEB SITE AND NOW ARE EVEN POSTING AS IF THEY ARE ME.WHY DOYU THINK THEY USE MY NAME.
THIS IS f***ING TRAGIC TRAGIC I JUST ASKED FOR HELP.THANKS SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR KINDNESS IF EVER I WANTED TO USE FOR EMOTIONS IT SURE IS NOW
Ali
I would hope that a board of people that you don't know would have that much control as to your wanting to use again. Or better stated, why would you allow a message board, of any kind have that much control over your emotions.
I for one would seek F2F help immediately, if some words written on a board upset me that much.
Please again do not take this negatively, I don't know if you are one or two or three, and as I said I do not care, what I care about are those that are truly seeking help and you seem like you are in need, so I urge you to get help from your doctor and let him help you get off your medications, and since NA wasn't for you, try one on one professional counseling. This is what I did.
Again I wish you well.
I would hope that a board of people that you don't know would have that much control as to your wanting to use again. Or better stated, why would you allow a message board, of any kind have that much control over your emotions.
I for one would seek F2F help immediately, if some words written on a board upset me that much.
Please again do not take this negatively, I don't know if you are one or two or three, and as I said I do not care, what I care about are those that are truly seeking help and you seem like you are in need, so I urge you to get help from your doctor and let him help you get off your medications, and since NA wasn't for you, try one on one professional counseling. This is what I did.
Again I wish you well.
I'm sorry Ali. I sincerely apologize if I'm wrong. I'm certain you can understand our frustration with this idiot. I'm sorry. Keep coming back if you're serious about recovery. Let's start again and let's get honest. The mods named you as part of this moron's little group. If, in fact you have nothing to do with him as we'll see in the coming days, I truly am sorry.
please all see ammending mans post today.
Wiverson, you were wonderful to Ali, god bless you..
I read this with absolute horror just now, going back over alis letter she was asking, almost begging for help.even said she was feeling suicidal.
Her response? ridicule and teasing at best. i cant imagibne what that poor girl must have felt...to those of you that posted thinking you were so funny you should be ashamed of yourslelves. you will see by ammending mans own posts you were wrong.
Pam..you owe her an apology at the very least.Get your facts straight before you make statements like that. I just dont understand how people can be so cold and cruel.
Peace to all
Wiverson, you were wonderful to Ali, god bless you..
I read this with absolute horror just now, going back over alis letter she was asking, almost begging for help.even said she was feeling suicidal.
Her response? ridicule and teasing at best. i cant imagibne what that poor girl must have felt...to those of you that posted thinking you were so funny you should be ashamed of yourslelves. you will see by ammending mans own posts you were wrong.
Pam..you owe her an apology at the very least.Get your facts straight before you make statements like that. I just dont understand how people can be so cold and cruel.
Peace to all
Peace, I see FAKE people and TROLLS. I owe no one and apology. The moderators named Ali as one of the trolls. Get your story straight. We don't like to play stupid games in this forum.
Ali needs to get REAL, if that is possible and she owes all of this board an apology.
Ali needs to get REAL, if that is possible and she owes all of this board an apology.
Pam
I respecrfully disagree. i read the post and would not have made that assumption.too many peopple were pretending to be alicap and thats why the FOLLOWERS were put in with a warning.We already heard from the troll.
I did however read your post above that STATED that ali just postes as another ali name on the curators thread. We had an admittal from ammends man that it was him NOT HER as you stated. And you cant apologize to her?
I will leave it at that and wish you well.
Peace to all
I respecrfully disagree. i read the post and would not have made that assumption.too many peopple were pretending to be alicap and thats why the FOLLOWERS were put in with a warning.We already heard from the troll.
I did however read your post above that STATED that ali just postes as another ali name on the curators thread. We had an admittal from ammends man that it was him NOT HER as you stated. And you cant apologize to her?
I will leave it at that and wish you well.
Peace to all
i was wondering if that was Ben...trolling.
i thought it was members on this site, at first, ragging on the whole thing, but i then suspected Ben. and my hunch was right.
bummer...
i guess he is not aware that the moderators on this site can see our IPs, so you can sign in with 10,000 IDs and they will still know it is you.
i really must say though, it wasn't a bnch of us from PA who caused trouble. it was 2-3 newbies from PA who did it.
i love PA and am an ardent supporter of the site and the 12 steps.
i thought it was members on this site, at first, ragging on the whole thing, but i then suspected Ben. and my hunch was right.
bummer...
i guess he is not aware that the moderators on this site can see our IPs, so you can sign in with 10,000 IDs and they will still know it is you.
i really must say though, it wasn't a bnch of us from PA who caused trouble. it was 2-3 newbies from PA who did it.
i love PA and am an ardent supporter of the site and the 12 steps.
Miss kate
yesterday i would have disagreed with you but now after reading your post I would have to say it must be true. I have new found respect for you. Totally impressed.mustbe hard for you to admit it was someone who is part of PA
PA DOES have some incredibly passionate and warm members.
You have a lot of dignity.
I admire that right now about you.
Thanks for the post.
Peace2all
yesterday i would have disagreed with you but now after reading your post I would have to say it must be true. I have new found respect for you. Totally impressed.mustbe hard for you to admit it was someone who is part of PA
PA DOES have some incredibly passionate and warm members.
You have a lot of dignity.
I admire that right now about you.
Thanks for the post.
Peace2all
