I like this forum, but frankly I dont fit in.
I am a wiccan and seem to be the only one here who isnt christian, or associated with some other branch of christianity..
I was wondering if anyone knows of any other recovery boards that may have a more diverse religious background?
Or can you help me think of search words to use in google that might bring up what I need?
Hey you.Im impressed.Awhile back I was studing that.Raymond Buckland(?).Please dont feel like you dont fit in as far as the "Gog" thing.I myself am at a point where I dont really know what I belive.I remember alot of what I studied though.Isnt Wiccan basically the worship of mother earth?Please write back you sparked my interest
As far as searches I guess you could try something like Wiccan recovery boards or wiccan drug recovery boards that should hit on something...
As far as searches I guess you could try something like Wiccan recovery boards or wiccan drug recovery boards that should hit on something...
bump for wolf your not alone
wiccan is the recognition of 2 dieties... essentially.
The easy way for me to break it down is that, in science,, it always takes to seperate things to make one.
Example-
Water = hydrogen and oxygen, Sand = stone and water ( or high wind) ,
but that isnt the TOTAL meaning.. just a very simple , very small explination.
I believe we all share a certain energy wave length.. That passes through all living things. And with that same ebergy plain we can 'feel ' each other in many diffrent ways. This feeling dictates what we as humans should do for other humans, animals, plants.. etc.
LOOOOOONG explination.. hehe..
but that may give you an idea.
The easy way for me to break it down is that, in science,, it always takes to seperate things to make one.
Example-
Water = hydrogen and oxygen, Sand = stone and water ( or high wind) ,
but that isnt the TOTAL meaning.. just a very simple , very small explination.
I believe we all share a certain energy wave length.. That passes through all living things. And with that same ebergy plain we can 'feel ' each other in many diffrent ways. This feeling dictates what we as humans should do for other humans, animals, plants.. etc.
LOOOOOONG explination.. hehe..
but that may give you an idea.
actually.. it isnt only a recognition of 2 dieties..
because there are many.. and many diffrent kinds..
because there are many.. and many diffrent kinds..
Well from what I remember(hope Im right)the first reliogion was the worship of male & female....Now wiccan worship basically nature.The light half of the year(spring)Than the dark half (winter)because there are ALWAYS 2.Like male female.am I making sense?Like I said its been years,but at one time I read as much as I could on it.It is very interesting to me.and the way it was explained to me made more sense than a single entity...mj
Damn Sean,
I forgot all about your group, sorry bud.
I forgot all about your group, sorry bud.
no problem.. its only good for opiate addicts anyway :)
Shewolf,
I have some Wiccans my other board, waiting to hear from them, but their server has been down a few hours now.
I have some Wiccans my other board, waiting to hear from them, but their server has been down a few hours now.
Thank you guys so very much!
Pagan Steps In Recovery
Covers all the pagan beliefs; Native American, British traditional, Seax Wicca, Gardnerian Wicca, Welsh Celtic, solitary eclectic etc. The 13 steps of PSR are as follows:
1) Realization
We realized that our spiritual, physical and mental disorders have totally defeated us, and that it is time to reclaim our lives.
2) Acknowledgement
We acknowledged that our combined disorders have been sustaining our illusions of control, and that through meditation, honest introspection and help from others we can overcome this barrier and rediscover our Inner Divine Power.
3) Recognition
We recognized that our disorders have severed the bond between our Inner and Outer Divine Powers, as we define them, impairing our ability to function, heal and live in peace and serenity.
4) Reunion
We abandoned our will to the reunion of our Divine Powers.
5) Surrender
We surrendered completely our body, mind and spirit to our Divine Union, seeking a new directing force for our lives.
6) Examination
We examined our character thoroughly and made a list of our attributes, both positive and negative.
7) Responsibility
We shared our examination with another person, accepting full responsibility for our actions, blaming none.
8) Invitation
With humility and respect we invited our Divine Union to remove our destructive traits.
9) Accountability
We made a list of all persons we have harmed, and accepted the need to make amends to them all.
10) Amends
We made direct amends to these persons when possible, unless this would cause harm or make a difficult situation worse.
11) Maintenance
We maintained our spiritual balance through daily character examination, and continued to make amends for our wrongs whenever necessary.
12) Connection
We reinforced the bond between our Inner and Outer Divine Powers through meditation, magick and ritual, and allowed this renewed connection to guide us in our daily living.
13) Continuation
As the direct result of our spiritual rebirth, we practiced these concepts on a daily basis. We continue the circle of healing by helping others in recovery, regardless of their spiritual beliefs. We keep it only by giving it away.
Most pagan and Wiccan groups still encourage going to AA or NA regardless of the Christian aspect because the higher power is still relevant and it is a misunderstanding to many non-christians that the higher power has to be a Christian God. Their are lots of people from many religions, not just Christian that go to AA or NA. To use Wiccan or other pagan beliefs as an excuse to not go to get help ANYWHERE they can is just another cop out just like the millions of other excuses addicts can come up with. The higher power is something that is not just Christian. It would only be someone who doesnt believe in any higher power at all that would have troubles with the first step. Both AA and NA have encountered people with no beliefs in a higher power and if they are experienced enough group they will know better than to force that belief and will instead find a way to work around it. For example: the higher power can be instead the person that was left behind by the results of the addiction. There is always a higher power than an addict and if they dont believe that there is something higher than themselves then they are not ready to recover.
There are also many AA and NA groups that recognize this problem and incorporate meetings for pagans.
http://www.12and12.org/meeting/meeting.htm
Saturday evenings they do a pagan recovery group. But what I will stress is that Wiccans still encourage the AA and NA 12 step program regardless and in a Wiccan circle they can obtain their own sponsors who have the same belief system that can interlink with AA or NA. It is not that hard to find Wiccans and other Pagans at a good AA or NA group.
However, some Wiccans and or Pagans are solitary. If this is the case, according to Wiccan beliefs, this is a situation where they should be seeking out the council of an equal or higher in the Wiccan tradition or outside of it. If they chose to remain solitary with an addiction they are not being true to their Wiccan beliefs. In order to practice Wiccan sincerely they need to not be under the influence of a drug of any kind if they are true to their beliefs.
Here is one site that someone can contact regarding advice: http://www.pagansanctumrecovery.org/
Covers all the pagan beliefs; Native American, British traditional, Seax Wicca, Gardnerian Wicca, Welsh Celtic, solitary eclectic etc. The 13 steps of PSR are as follows:
1) Realization
We realized that our spiritual, physical and mental disorders have totally defeated us, and that it is time to reclaim our lives.
2) Acknowledgement
We acknowledged that our combined disorders have been sustaining our illusions of control, and that through meditation, honest introspection and help from others we can overcome this barrier and rediscover our Inner Divine Power.
3) Recognition
We recognized that our disorders have severed the bond between our Inner and Outer Divine Powers, as we define them, impairing our ability to function, heal and live in peace and serenity.
4) Reunion
We abandoned our will to the reunion of our Divine Powers.
5) Surrender
We surrendered completely our body, mind and spirit to our Divine Union, seeking a new directing force for our lives.
6) Examination
We examined our character thoroughly and made a list of our attributes, both positive and negative.
7) Responsibility
We shared our examination with another person, accepting full responsibility for our actions, blaming none.
8) Invitation
With humility and respect we invited our Divine Union to remove our destructive traits.
9) Accountability
We made a list of all persons we have harmed, and accepted the need to make amends to them all.
10) Amends
We made direct amends to these persons when possible, unless this would cause harm or make a difficult situation worse.
11) Maintenance
We maintained our spiritual balance through daily character examination, and continued to make amends for our wrongs whenever necessary.
12) Connection
We reinforced the bond between our Inner and Outer Divine Powers through meditation, magick and ritual, and allowed this renewed connection to guide us in our daily living.
13) Continuation
As the direct result of our spiritual rebirth, we practiced these concepts on a daily basis. We continue the circle of healing by helping others in recovery, regardless of their spiritual beliefs. We keep it only by giving it away.
Most pagan and Wiccan groups still encourage going to AA or NA regardless of the Christian aspect because the higher power is still relevant and it is a misunderstanding to many non-christians that the higher power has to be a Christian God. Their are lots of people from many religions, not just Christian that go to AA or NA. To use Wiccan or other pagan beliefs as an excuse to not go to get help ANYWHERE they can is just another cop out just like the millions of other excuses addicts can come up with. The higher power is something that is not just Christian. It would only be someone who doesnt believe in any higher power at all that would have troubles with the first step. Both AA and NA have encountered people with no beliefs in a higher power and if they are experienced enough group they will know better than to force that belief and will instead find a way to work around it. For example: the higher power can be instead the person that was left behind by the results of the addiction. There is always a higher power than an addict and if they dont believe that there is something higher than themselves then they are not ready to recover.
There are also many AA and NA groups that recognize this problem and incorporate meetings for pagans.
http://www.12and12.org/meeting/meeting.htm
Saturday evenings they do a pagan recovery group. But what I will stress is that Wiccans still encourage the AA and NA 12 step program regardless and in a Wiccan circle they can obtain their own sponsors who have the same belief system that can interlink with AA or NA. It is not that hard to find Wiccans and other Pagans at a good AA or NA group.
However, some Wiccans and or Pagans are solitary. If this is the case, according to Wiccan beliefs, this is a situation where they should be seeking out the council of an equal or higher in the Wiccan tradition or outside of it. If they chose to remain solitary with an addiction they are not being true to their Wiccan beliefs. In order to practice Wiccan sincerely they need to not be under the influence of a drug of any kind if they are true to their beliefs.
Here is one site that someone can contact regarding advice: http://www.pagansanctumrecovery.org/
Shewolf,
Hope this helps, I gotta say I find it extremely interesting. Silent Partner inspired an interest in Buddhist beliefs, and you have inspired an interest in Wiccan beliefs. Im always looking for different perspectives and love learning new things, so Im going to thank you for providing a spark.
Hope this helps, I gotta say I find it extremely interesting. Silent Partner inspired an interest in Buddhist beliefs, and you have inspired an interest in Wiccan beliefs. Im always looking for different perspectives and love learning new things, so Im going to thank you for providing a spark.
BUMP FOR SHEWOLF
Hi, I am a Wiccan First Degree Priestess. I found these boards this morning. I asked about Religion on the pain pill boards and someone linked me here to this thread. Thanks to all of you for being here. I am happy to be here... I will post more later. Love, Tired
