I have thought of this before and it has me wondering- We see a lot of people come on here, in the process of getting clean or newly clean..looking for support or advice and full of piss and vinegar..then after 3-4 days disappear..forever..what do you think happens? Why post a ton of msgs. then fall off the face of the earth?
Good Morning Danny.
Actually,it doesn't surprise me at all.A lot of people trying to get clean off pills that have never been through w/d's are unprepared for how really sick they get.
After about the 3rd or 4th day,I think most cave.JMO
The pecentages of relapse are really high.
Don't ever think you waste your time though.Something you might say could stay with them.
Actually,it doesn't surprise me at all.A lot of people trying to get clean off pills that have never been through w/d's are unprepared for how really sick they get.
After about the 3rd or 4th day,I think most cave.JMO
The pecentages of relapse are really high.
Don't ever think you waste your time though.Something you might say could stay with them.
Morning Gentlemen....
It happens f2f too Danny but one thing that also happens is the seed is planted. I didn't succeed getting clean the 1st go around but I did retain what I had learned and I knew where to go when I was done abusing and wanted to get honest....
xoxo
Stacey
It happens f2f too Danny but one thing that also happens is the seed is planted. I didn't succeed getting clean the 1st go around but I did retain what I had learned and I knew where to go when I was done abusing and wanted to get honest....
xoxo
Stacey
That's right Stacey.
I'll never forget sitting at a bar one day,sucking down cheap bourbon and hitting the bathroom every 10 minutes for another line of coke and this saying from AA kept coming up in my head.
"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
It was like a stuck record.I was so pissed.My buzz was completely being thrown off by some f*cking insipid cliche I had heard in AA.
I'll never forget sitting at a bar one day,sucking down cheap bourbon and hitting the bathroom every 10 minutes for another line of coke and this saying from AA kept coming up in my head.
"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
It was like a stuck record.I was so pissed.My buzz was completely being thrown off by some f*cking insipid cliche I had heard in AA.
I can relate <smiling>
Towards the end of my pill run, I would drive by where my old meetings were held and that little voice in my head would blurt out "that's where you really need to be" and I would attempt to ignore the voice, yet again and pretend like I had s*** under control.......
My girlfriend swears AA ruined her drinking life....she said when she relapsed, all those sayings would go through her mind when she was buzzed. She got pissed off because drinking wasn't any fun and all her friends were in AA so she decided she'd just come back to the program....she just celebrated 20yrs in November.....it takes what it takes...lol
Towards the end of my pill run, I would drive by where my old meetings were held and that little voice in my head would blurt out "that's where you really need to be" and I would attempt to ignore the voice, yet again and pretend like I had s*** under control.......
My girlfriend swears AA ruined her drinking life....she said when she relapsed, all those sayings would go through her mind when she was buzzed. She got pissed off because drinking wasn't any fun and all her friends were in AA so she decided she'd just come back to the program....she just celebrated 20yrs in November.....it takes what it takes...lol
JMO They come here expecting (like I did) that someone else would do it for you. If you said you wanted to quit the people in rehab aa or whatever should break their backs trying to help you and then it will be easier. Not realizing that it actually takes work on your own part alot of it!
I realize now that the people thier to help you are there to help you process and have courage and faith in yourself you actually do have to do some footwork. Hard and scary both are usually triggers to addicts. <like me>
Love,
jane
PS bull/danny YGM
I realize now that the people thier to help you are there to help you process and have courage and faith in yourself you actually do have to do some footwork. Hard and scary both are usually triggers to addicts. <like me>
Love,
jane
PS bull/danny YGM
GM gang,
IMO......When I first found this site I lived here, I got alot of support, but then as time went on I knew Ineeded to work on ME..and part of that was not being here all the time. I am very guilty of leaving here for weeks on end, but then come back to check in. Doesn't mean I relasped back to taking methadone, yes I do drink but that is not what I came here for, I came for help during my w/d off of methadone that I was rx'd due to chronic pain. I am working on the drinking which with my new group I started this week I will get there one day, hopefully sooner thenlater.
I am sure they may also come and lurk, and just not post. Maybe they feel they will be judged, who knows, but lets think positive about them, and just know that " the seed" has been planted and hopefully they are working on their recovery.
Krazi/Traci
IMO......When I first found this site I lived here, I got alot of support, but then as time went on I knew Ineeded to work on ME..and part of that was not being here all the time. I am very guilty of leaving here for weeks on end, but then come back to check in. Doesn't mean I relasped back to taking methadone, yes I do drink but that is not what I came here for, I came for help during my w/d off of methadone that I was rx'd due to chronic pain. I am working on the drinking which with my new group I started this week I will get there one day, hopefully sooner thenlater.
I am sure they may also come and lurk, and just not post. Maybe they feel they will be judged, who knows, but lets think positive about them, and just know that " the seed" has been planted and hopefully they are working on their recovery.
Krazi/Traci
I just feel bad if they releapsed. Coming here, all full of hope, getting great advice and then let the addiction get the best of them.
Jane-YGM
Jane-YGM
I understand Danny and I know all I can do when people do relapse, is pray for them....I have a friend that has been going back and forth for awhile and I pray for her all the time and I truly do hope she can get it but I cannot do it for her...
Have a nice day....
Have a nice day....
Speaking of relapse-
My ex wifes sister, a huge vicodin addict (buying off the street, 10-12 at a times, never for pain)..anyway, last time I heard, she had stopped. She used to email me all the times, asking me for some (I didn't give them so she stole them anyway..never said anything to her)..but anyway, yesterday, for the first time in over a year and a half, she emailed me..small talk, telling me things I really don't want to hear..etc..started saying things like "once an addict. always one"..I didn't respind to that statement..she didn't mean it about me..anyway..she literally sent me 16 emails..just BS stuff..stuff aboout the ex..whatever..didn't ask for anything but her emails were somewhat incoherent, she's living with some guy now that has "back problems" so you know what that means..and the weird thing is after my divorce became final, I changed my email address on my primary account..the only way she would know it is if my ex gave it to her..pretty weird..no emails today though..
My ex wifes sister, a huge vicodin addict (buying off the street, 10-12 at a times, never for pain)..anyway, last time I heard, she had stopped. She used to email me all the times, asking me for some (I didn't give them so she stole them anyway..never said anything to her)..but anyway, yesterday, for the first time in over a year and a half, she emailed me..small talk, telling me things I really don't want to hear..etc..started saying things like "once an addict. always one"..I didn't respind to that statement..she didn't mean it about me..anyway..she literally sent me 16 emails..just BS stuff..stuff aboout the ex..whatever..didn't ask for anything but her emails were somewhat incoherent, she's living with some guy now that has "back problems" so you know what that means..and the weird thing is after my divorce became final, I changed my email address on my primary account..the only way she would know it is if my ex gave it to her..pretty weird..no emails today though..
I really resent the usage of the term "lurk" it presents images of skulking, peeping, creeping , and just plain negative energy.
Newcomers of all addictions are naturally going to be guarded, pensive, and full of fears just like I was when I came in. Observeration of how things work before jumping in is not LURKING!!!
Remember its attraction not promotion that truly enables most 12 step programs to succeed.
Hopefully this post isn't being taken as for anything other than what I intended and that is a suggestion to be careful with our words as sometimes they can be more painful than weapons.
Newcomers of all addictions are naturally going to be guarded, pensive, and full of fears just like I was when I came in. Observeration of how things work before jumping in is not LURKING!!!
Remember its attraction not promotion that truly enables most 12 step programs to succeed.
Hopefully this post isn't being taken as for anything other than what I intended and that is a suggestion to be careful with our words as sometimes they can be more painful than weapons.
In light of recent events can't say that I blame a lurker for not posting.
Wildone,
Lurking is just a phrase, I think you are reading more into it than what is meant by it.
I say it for lack of a better word.
Wildone,
Lurking is just a phrase, I think you are reading more into it than what is meant by it.
I say it for lack of a better word.
WO- I know it sounds bad, but it's just a computer term that is more than 20 years old. No one means anything negative.
This kind of reminds me of what they told us in rehab. It was an adolescent rehab so the statistics for them are probably even more grim. They told us that most, if not all, of us wouldn't stay sober. But, if we were going to use, they wanted to ruin it for us by educating us. That was an awful expensive lesson. I recall that my 42 days cost my mom about 13 grand....and that was in 1987. Real expensive lesson. It could've been worth it if I had stuck with it.
