hey all,
Well I am usually on the coke board. I am going to have 3 years clean of cocaine this October.
I am here to ask about a friend.
A good friend of mine became and H addict. Well now she started a program called DART. Apparently she goes there every day and meets with a counceler and they give her her regulated methadone.
Well my boyfriend and i had her over for the football game yesterday. She kept like nodding out.
At one point I looked over and she had the ash try in her hand, her eyes closed, and then she dropped it all over my rug. She woke up and cleaned it all up and apoligized and said its a side effect of the methadone.
Is this true? How long is she going to be like this?
Well I aint too sure whether methadone does this to you but I do know that gouging out happens when on heroin. I think meth only makes you feel normal unless maybe she had both?? Possible??
Am not a user myself so anyone else got any advise??
Lynds xx
Am not a user myself so anyone else got any advise??
Lynds xx
Sounds like she was smacked out of head if you ask me! If not then she is on waaaaay too much 'done...
Yeah I have never touched the stuff, but it was really weird. I mean She goes to a program and they give it to her in a liquid from every single day. but then she mentioned that she also buys some methadone in pill form off some guy? I dont know. It was just very very scary to see someone like that. I mean shed be falling asleep, but yet still talking to us, then I look over and shes smoking and the smoke is just biurning away cuz she was "sleeping".
I dont know.. I mean shes been a very close friend for a long time, and we lost touch when she started doing H. Now that shes in program we kind of started talking again and my boyfriend said lets invite her over, she needs to be around good sober people, now i am questioning if she really is off that s*** and if i should "be there" for her.
I dont know.. I mean shes been a very close friend for a long time, and we lost touch when she started doing H. Now that shes in program we kind of started talking again and my boyfriend said lets invite her over, she needs to be around good sober people, now i am questioning if she really is off that s*** and if i should "be there" for her.
Pill form??? I aint ever heard of that unless she means subbies. They can make you gouge but I dont think you can take them when your on meth or heroin?? Kick in major withdrawels.
Sounds to me as if she has had something....defoo. xx
Sounds to me as if she has had something....defoo. xx
I would also like to add...dont go questioning her straight away. Give her a chance to talk to you and tell you. If you accuse her and your wrong...well who knows. If she respects you and thinks of you as a good friend when you talk to her she should confide in you and maybe ask for help. Then again heroin addicts dont like to brag and I am sure if she is using she is maybe afraid to talk to anyone.
Just be there for her but make sure you dont get dragged into the same trap.
Good luck x
Just be there for her but make sure you dont get dragged into the same trap.
Good luck x
You can get methadone in pill form - it's normally called physeptone. I used to get it from my dr if I was travelling, for ease of transportation, instead of lugging great bottles of the stuff on a plane...
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i know you cant really say till you seen it for yourself but it does sound like to me she was smacked up but i could be wrong this is just my opinion xx
Thanks Guys,
Oh I dont accuse her or anything. I dont even bring it up, if she wants to talk Im here to listen! She told me the whole thing, how she cut me out of her life because she knew i was clean and doing well and how she went from taking oxyconton to shooting h in iess then 3 months. lost her car, her job,her apartment.
Personally after I got clean I cut anyone out of my life who is an addict.
But this girl has always been there for me and I dont want to turn my back on her if she really is trying to better herself, she needs good people around her, but I just dont want to put in all this time and effort and then find out ive been played for a fool. is that wrong of me?
Oh I dont accuse her or anything. I dont even bring it up, if she wants to talk Im here to listen! She told me the whole thing, how she cut me out of her life because she knew i was clean and doing well and how she went from taking oxyconton to shooting h in iess then 3 months. lost her car, her job,her apartment.
Personally after I got clean I cut anyone out of my life who is an addict.
But this girl has always been there for me and I dont want to turn my back on her if she really is trying to better herself, she needs good people around her, but I just dont want to put in all this time and effort and then find out ive been played for a fool. is that wrong of me?
ov course not no body wants to be made a fool of that is understandable if she is genuion go for it but if she starts to piss you around then i'd leave her to her own devices xx
I agree with Emz. Give her a chance to tell the truth but dont let her have all her eggs in one basket if you know what I mean. x
NY....im on 70ml.daily but if i up my dose which i can do as i get takeouts then sumtimes i goof out just a little but sumtimes enough for others to notice...so i wouldnt judge so quickly.
Take care......Davey
Take care......Davey
Dear ny and some numbers which I've forgotton what they are - I have drunk half a bottle of wine - I'm clean, but not clean and sober, I think "normal" is the word I'd choose! Anyway, ya know the drill. Be there for somebody, but not at cost to your own recovery. I'm not into NA, but some of their stuff makes sense, and you're recovery has to come before all other considerations, including being a mate to another addict. You're no use to man nor beast if it's compromising your own efforts to stay clean.
And as a mate, I think it's worth you pointing out to her that she was off her face when she came to visit you. You don't have to do it accusingly, just tell her that she her medication seemed to be really affecting her, and she was gouching out. She may want to talk about it. Many people on methadone also use heroin at the same time. I used to do it myself every single day for about 7 years, so believe me, I ain't judging her. Tell her you've heard of alternatives to methadone, such as subutex (buprenorphine) which don't sedate you the same as methadone but will stop the withdrawals.
All this said, when I was on the subutex, I was also taking a concoction of other prescribed drugs, for a psychiatric condition, and my combined meds, would give me more of a hit than half a gram of smack on the spoon, especially if I smoked a joint. So you can't jump to conclusions. And sometimes, as an addict who's trying to recover, having strong meds that give you a similar effect to the drug they are replacing isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes you need to feel like that, if you see what I mean. Recovery doesn't happen over night.
best of luck
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And as a mate, I think it's worth you pointing out to her that she was off her face when she came to visit you. You don't have to do it accusingly, just tell her that she her medication seemed to be really affecting her, and she was gouching out. She may want to talk about it. Many people on methadone also use heroin at the same time. I used to do it myself every single day for about 7 years, so believe me, I ain't judging her. Tell her you've heard of alternatives to methadone, such as subutex (buprenorphine) which don't sedate you the same as methadone but will stop the withdrawals.
All this said, when I was on the subutex, I was also taking a concoction of other prescribed drugs, for a psychiatric condition, and my combined meds, would give me more of a hit than half a gram of smack on the spoon, especially if I smoked a joint. So you can't jump to conclusions. And sometimes, as an addict who's trying to recover, having strong meds that give you a similar effect to the drug they are replacing isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes you need to feel like that, if you see what I mean. Recovery doesn't happen over night.
best of luck
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NY,
She's probably getting them BISCUITS off the street.
She wasn't feeling no pain. That's a straight up nod.
Everybody gave ya good advice. CONGRATS to you too on your clean time. That so rocks. You can't really enjoy football when you're nodding.
I must admit when you were describing what happened I was like "Day-um lucky her". That's wrong I know, but just words brings that back. I hope she can get back on her program and stop copping extra 'done. You're a good friend.
She's probably getting them BISCUITS off the street.
She wasn't feeling no pain. That's a straight up nod.
Everybody gave ya good advice. CONGRATS to you too on your clean time. That so rocks. You can't really enjoy football when you're nodding.
I must admit when you were describing what happened I was like "Day-um lucky her". That's wrong I know, but just words brings that back. I hope she can get back on her program and stop copping extra 'done. You're a good friend.
Thanks for all your replies! I was shocked to see how many of you actually wrote back to me. THANKS SO MUCH!!!!
So I would NEVER touch drugs again. My life has changed so much for the better. I am so happy where I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bryn. Thats what i think it is. She is taking her regulated dose but yet still taking more that she buys off the streets. i mean that cant be good for her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did talk to her last night and I said something about it. I said I had a great time and it was nice to see her and just hang out, but i was a little concerned. She said that she was just really tired and actually smoked a little weed before she came over and it made her very relaxed! I guess that could be the real reason.
I read online that when on methadone people cant get high of H, that the methadone is sort of a blocker! so why would she be doing H then if it doesent have an effect? I am just going to take her word for it.
So I would NEVER touch drugs again. My life has changed so much for the better. I am so happy where I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bryn. Thats what i think it is. She is taking her regulated dose but yet still taking more that she buys off the streets. i mean that cant be good for her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did talk to her last night and I said something about it. I said I had a great time and it was nice to see her and just hang out, but i was a little concerned. She said that she was just really tired and actually smoked a little weed before she came over and it made her very relaxed! I guess that could be the real reason.
I read online that when on methadone people cant get high of H, that the methadone is sort of a blocker! so why would she be doing H then if it doesent have an effect? I am just going to take her word for it.
NT when i was on the meth i got it weekly as was working and couldn't get to the chemist everyday.... as you can imagine it was hard to stick to the 40 mil a day and i always topped up for the start of the week and in work i gouged all the time. If your mate is getting meth linctus plus physeptone that's most probobly why she is getting in that state.... way too much. Wishing you n your nate well, Kev
forget the 'tired' routine........my kid is always telling me he is "tired'...well i am freaking exhausted and i never nod.............I have seen quite a few ppl do the nod on high doses of methadone........and doesnt neccesarily have to be getting extra off the street.........i know here in philly they start a lot of addicts off on exhorbitant amounts.........200-250mg...........
Its actually subitex that has the opiate blocker not the methadone. Taking heroin and methadone is very common and does affect you. xx
Sean drinks and smokes weed on subutex...and zones right out all the time...
When I first went onto subs, along with my prescribed drugs, I was smoking loads of weed. I only smoke occasionally now, but back then, the first thing I'd do when I woke up was roll a fat one, and I'd smoke all day. And yeah, I was totally mangled most of the time. getting back to a "normal" state of mind came along in stages. It such a huge shock to mind and body coming off smack, sometimes it's helpful to work your way towards clarity slowly. All I can say is I was no angel, and I'm still not now. I'm not one of these NA nazis who get on your case about every damned substance you could think of. I still smoke weed, probably not more than one day a week, I still drop the odd pill (only ecstasy, no opiates or downers), I'd toy with the idea of acid, but probably chicken out, coz I'm too scared of it these days, and if someone offered me a line of coke, I have to put my hands up and say yes, I'd snort it - but I wouldn't bother my arse going out to actually pay money for it. Oh yeah, and I drink the odd beer, and the odd glass of wine. My "problem" was with heroin. That's the only drug I abused, the only drug I was addicted to. The rest, I can take it or leave it, and I'm fine with that.
If your mate is taking her prescribed meth, and topping up with a few physeptone, then it's not the ideal situation, but live in the real world. It's better than shoving heroin into a vein. It's one step removed from that. As you know, getting off the drugs is a major lifestyle upheaval, and getting out of the "scene" is probably the most crucial factor in success. Getting your drugs from a treatment centre is a better option than scoring them off the street. If your mate is going to work at anything, it should be to stop scoring her "extras" and just stick to her script.
best wishes
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If your mate is taking her prescribed meth, and topping up with a few physeptone, then it's not the ideal situation, but live in the real world. It's better than shoving heroin into a vein. It's one step removed from that. As you know, getting off the drugs is a major lifestyle upheaval, and getting out of the "scene" is probably the most crucial factor in success. Getting your drugs from a treatment centre is a better option than scoring them off the street. If your mate is going to work at anything, it should be to stop scoring her "extras" and just stick to her script.
best wishes
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