As some of you know i don't do NA meetings i'm 21 months off H with only myself as support. My main issues with NA has always been the higher power. I did not know untill today that there was a group like NA that was not based on the 12 steps and the "higher power religion" stuff it's called RATIONAL RECOVERY. They have meetings in my area but, i wanted to know if anyone had experience or info about this group "GOOD /OR / BAD" i'm open minded. I hear everywhere about NA and AA I have never heard of anyone who goes to rational recovery meetings. I am desperatly seeking support I can't find it in me to go to NA i have many issues with that program. I think i do need outside support i don't want a sponcer, i don't want 12 steps, i don't want God in it. From my understanding RR rational recovery dose not work the way NA dose. I'm wondering if anyone here has any info or advice..i don't just wanna pop into a meeting without knowledge.
I've never heard of Rational Recovery but I would be interested in anything you find out about it. I always had a problem with the higher power thing myself. If there's someone out there, he's like Q in Star Trek. And he's just fu$%&%$ with us!
hmmmmm..ya made me curious,so i googled and this is what I came up with...
http://www.rational.org/why.html
I must say there r some very logical statements made here......as one who has used the programof na in my recovery....I know of so many of my freinds there who constantly exclaim that not a day goes by that they dont think of getting high...this has never been thecase with me and I never really thought I needed meeting constantly to stay clean.........this thought has been quite contoversial to say the least in the program.......its an interesting read
http://www.rational.org/why.html
I must say there r some very logical statements made here......as one who has used the programof na in my recovery....I know of so many of my freinds there who constantly exclaim that not a day goes by that they dont think of getting high...this has never been thecase with me and I never really thought I needed meeting constantly to stay clean.........this thought has been quite contoversial to say the least in the program.......its an interesting read
Z*G
Ive never heard of this group. As someone who has tried to get with the whole 12 step program unsuccessfully ,its sounds interesting at the least.
I think many of the ideals & ideas that guide aa/na are very good . They help with not only staying clean but to trying to live a well rounded life.
I hit up the link that m.t posted and found it interesting indeed. I hope no-one minds,but as there are few 12 steppers on this board- - I copied and pasted the link on the PP board. There are many 12 steppers over there, and Id like to see what kind of response they have. Hopefully people will keep an open mind and we can get a gauge on his type of program
jack
Ive never heard of this group. As someone who has tried to get with the whole 12 step program unsuccessfully ,its sounds interesting at the least.
I think many of the ideals & ideas that guide aa/na are very good . They help with not only staying clean but to trying to live a well rounded life.
I hit up the link that m.t posted and found it interesting indeed. I hope no-one minds,but as there are few 12 steppers on this board- - I copied and pasted the link on the PP board. There are many 12 steppers over there, and Id like to see what kind of response they have. Hopefully people will keep an open mind and we can get a gauge on his type of program
jack
Try getting the book at a library and read it. I think his biggest beef with NA/AA is that he feels the change comes from within. He also does not feel that the addict is powerless. To me whatever works is what is important. FYI. I have read his book Rationl Recovery Jack Trimpey (author) . You can get it fairly cheeply off amazon used books as well.
I thought he spent a little too much time putting down NA/AA in his book but he had valid points in other areas. Just because they were not a fit for him does not lesson the help they have provided others.
I thought he spent a little too much time putting down NA/AA in his book but he had valid points in other areas. Just because they were not a fit for him does not lesson the help they have provided others.
UH=OH, Jack is opening a can of worms.
Sounds like a cult to me, HERO girl,. I am kidding. I am so kidding. Hey, babes whatever works, and you are one smart cookie seeing you need something outside for a little help.
Best wishes. Oh, Tres knows NA. Now you'll have her reading. Sheeesh.
Sounds like a cult to me, HERO girl,. I am kidding. I am so kidding. Hey, babes whatever works, and you are one smart cookie seeing you need something outside for a little help.
Best wishes. Oh, Tres knows NA. Now you'll have her reading. Sheeesh.
Hi there kiddo. How's the baby doing? Anyway, the only way to find out is to give it a try. I think it sounds OK, but I don't know anything! I just know that all that higher power stuff just confused the hell out of me. And I studied philosophy at Uni and understood that just fine, so I reckon the problem is with the theory, not me, coz if Plato, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Hobbes and co. didn't faze me, I should be able to get my head round most philosophies! I never understood why a higher power was actually necessary. It wasn't any higher power that stuck needles in my veins, it was me, so according my logic, I don't need a higher power to stop sticking needles in my veins. I just needed to wake up to reality and take control of my life, instead of whining about being powerless. Powerless? Me? You got to be kidding! I did heroin coz I wanted to. I made every excuse out there as to why I couldn't stop, but the bottom line was I didn't stop until I wanted to stop. It was when I figured out that I wasn't powerless, that I did have a choice in the matter, that I woke up to the fact that it was just a choice. I could choose to do it, or choose not to. I didn't need God, or anybody else to help me with that choice. What I DID need was practical help and support. I needed someone who knew how to get things done, how to work the system. I needed a rood over my head where I wasn't surrounded by junkies. I needed money to live. I needed friends to take away the loneliness. You say that you don't want a sponsor. I never had one, but I did have a brilliant drugs team to lean on. It makes the world of difference when you have someone who's really committed to you, who is non-judgemental but not emotionally involved in your life, who you can just pick up the phone and call when you have a crisis, instead of picking up a bag. Coz when you get to the position you're in, you don't really want to pick up a bag, you just want a way out, a solution to your problems. Maybe thats the way a sponsor works. I dunno, I never had one, but you have to make the best of your situation, and if you don't have a great drugs team falling over themselves to help you, you have to seek out alternatives. I'd try it out if I were you. Maybe their philosophy doesn't quite click for you, but if it's a good meeting, you might meet people who can help you.
love
Diff xxxx
love
Diff xxxx
Yo Diff,
Just wanted to say a hey to ya.
You were in my dream the other night. You were Diff the hippie chick, and I have no idea why. You were wearing blue and purple. A choir robe.
I still say that thing Hero is asking about is a cult. It's a big cult. Nah, nah I am kidding. I like to say that cause people told me yoga was a cult when I used to go. Nah, whatever works y'all.
Just wanted to say a hey to ya.
You were in my dream the other night. You were Diff the hippie chick, and I have no idea why. You were wearing blue and purple. A choir robe.
I still say that thing Hero is asking about is a cult. It's a big cult. Nah, nah I am kidding. I like to say that cause people told me yoga was a cult when I used to go. Nah, whatever works y'all.
HI From a committed na recovering addict who is powerless over my addiction, and has found his higher power.
Whatever works hey.
I have in my quest for recovery info also found a 12 step programme for Wiccans, agnostics etc
But also a group which is not HP based called sober recovery
They also have an issue with the HP and powerless thing of na programs
A google search will bring you to there website and meetings
Hope that helps
Take care
Calabash
Whatever works hey.
I have in my quest for recovery info also found a 12 step programme for Wiccans, agnostics etc
But also a group which is not HP based called sober recovery
They also have an issue with the HP and powerless thing of na programs
A google search will bring you to there website and meetings
Hope that helps
Take care
Calabash
GratefulDeadAA AA,recovery,sober,sober living,alcoholism,drug addiction,12 steps
I guess there is something for everybody
I guess there is something for everybody
hi i got your reply and thank you. i know tough love doesnt work for everyone and it obviously didnt work for you but it does work for a lot of people. especially when addicts are part of a really close family and they see their family members cutting them off it is an eye opener and i am not saying they will go and get clean the very next day but when they are at their lowest and have nothing or no-one they realise drugs are not for them. all this doesnt matter if the addict doesnt want to get clean as it is only them that can do it and if they really dont want to or are not ready to do so then they probably wont succeed.
you also said that you thought about writing a book but gave up. well if you really want something then you should go for it. you gave me your e-mail address so i will be in touch with you soon. thank you for allowing me into your personal space as i know from experiance talking about your drug use isnt easy. you said you got clean for your kids!!! well done. i also lost my 3 kids through the devil drug and my stupidity but i see my youngest all the time as he stays with my in-laws, my 2 oldest kids live with my parents who i no longer talk to and i dont get to see them and havent saw them for nearly 2 years. i have spent the previous 18 months in court fighting and will continue to do so untill they are home with me. its amazing how much a mothers love gives people motivation to do stuff they didnt think they were capable of doing.
congratulations on getting "clean" and i wish you all the best. i will be in touch soon about the book
take care
darrelle
you also said that you thought about writing a book but gave up. well if you really want something then you should go for it. you gave me your e-mail address so i will be in touch with you soon. thank you for allowing me into your personal space as i know from experiance talking about your drug use isnt easy. you said you got clean for your kids!!! well done. i also lost my 3 kids through the devil drug and my stupidity but i see my youngest all the time as he stays with my in-laws, my 2 oldest kids live with my parents who i no longer talk to and i dont get to see them and havent saw them for nearly 2 years. i have spent the previous 18 months in court fighting and will continue to do so untill they are home with me. its amazing how much a mothers love gives people motivation to do stuff they didnt think they were capable of doing.
congratulations on getting "clean" and i wish you all the best. i will be in touch soon about the book
take care
darrelle
Hey Bryn, that's so weird - you're the second person to get in touch with me to tell me that they'd dreamt about me in the past two days! And I was never in a choir, but I love purple. I guess I am a bit of a hippy chick. Or used to be at least. Spent my youth travelling around in a Luton Transit van with my rottie dog. Not the same rottie dog I've got now - he died in 1995. And when I gave up the travelling I lived in a run down ramshackle cottage in the country, and baked a lot of apple pies, went "foraging" for food in the countryside, and smelled of woodsmoke from the solid fuel stove (there was a big crack in the chimney)! As for the Transit, it was last seen being used as a chicken shed on a smallholding in Carmarthen...
These days, I dress in anything that will fit me, coz of my big pregnant belly. I reckon the baby is starting to think about making her grand entrance. Just got a feeling... Man, I can't wait! I washed all the clothes I bought for her today, and they just look so unbelievably cute! Well, she'd better not come this week coz she'll be sleeping in a drawer, coz I haven't got her a cot yet! I've been told that she'll have to spend a day or two in special care, coz of my prescribed drugs, which I feel bad about. But on the other hand, if I hadn't taken them, she'd probably have a complete basket case for a mother, so maybe it's better that way. A friend of mine had a baby whilst she was on methadone, and her baby turned out just fine and was only on special care for 24 hrs and was allowed home, so I don't think little Megan Rose (the whole naming thing was doing my head in so much that I let her father choose her name in the end...but she gets my surname!) will have too many problems...
love
Diff xxxxx
These days, I dress in anything that will fit me, coz of my big pregnant belly. I reckon the baby is starting to think about making her grand entrance. Just got a feeling... Man, I can't wait! I washed all the clothes I bought for her today, and they just look so unbelievably cute! Well, she'd better not come this week coz she'll be sleeping in a drawer, coz I haven't got her a cot yet! I've been told that she'll have to spend a day or two in special care, coz of my prescribed drugs, which I feel bad about. But on the other hand, if I hadn't taken them, she'd probably have a complete basket case for a mother, so maybe it's better that way. A friend of mine had a baby whilst she was on methadone, and her baby turned out just fine and was only on special care for 24 hrs and was allowed home, so I don't think little Megan Rose (the whole naming thing was doing my head in so much that I let her father choose her name in the end...but she gets my surname!) will have too many problems...
love
Diff xxxxx
Calabash, thanks 4 the info i guess like everyone else i'm just looking for something that works for me. I never expected so many responces, i appreciate all the answers. DIFF: the baby is great he is still not sleeping more then 3-4 hours at a time so the nights are getting pretty damn stressful!. He is so big now, he's almost 7 weeks and up to 10 pounds 9 ounces. I think about you and your lil girl often I hope all is well i'm + you are huge and uncomfortable i KNOW it sucks!. Bryn: hope things are well for you as well. For darrelle: the guy writing the book, i would like to talk to you some more for sure. I'm still waiting on a e-mail from you. I'm gonna try to keep this short i'm trying to get some ME time while the baby is asleep. I wanna play some music and grab a beer "sigh". I looked at the link with the rational recovery info I Agreed with a lot of it. For the time being i think i'm going to keep doing what i've been doing. I've got this far.... so i guess," if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is the moto i'll go with. I always like to keep my options open thou.
Dear Diff,
It's getting close!!!! I'm getting excited for you!!!
Megan Rose is a very pretty name. When I looked up Megan, it said it was a Welsh/English name derived from Margaret. Here's what it said under Margaret...
MARGARET
Gender: Feminine
Usage: English
Pronounced: MAHR-gret, MAHR-gur-et [key]
Derived from Latin Margarita, which was from Greek (margarites) meaning "pearl", probably a borrowing from Sanskrit. Saint Margaret was martyred at Antioch in the 4th century. She is the patron saint of expectant mothers. Another famous bearer was Queen Margaret I of Denmark, who united Denmark, Sweden, and Norway in the 14th century. The name was also borne by Margaret Mitchell, author of 'Gone with the Wind'.
I thought it was interesting that St. Margaret was the patron saint of expectant mothers. Now I have to look up Rose!
ROSE
Gender: Feminine
Usage: English, French
Pronounced: ROZ [key]
In part it means simply "rose" from the word for the fragrant flower (derived from Latin rosa). However, it may have originally been a short form of names beginning with the Germanic element hros meaning "horse".
Love,
Susan
It's getting close!!!! I'm getting excited for you!!!
Megan Rose is a very pretty name. When I looked up Megan, it said it was a Welsh/English name derived from Margaret. Here's what it said under Margaret...
MARGARET
Gender: Feminine
Usage: English
Pronounced: MAHR-gret, MAHR-gur-et [key]
Derived from Latin Margarita, which was from Greek (margarites) meaning "pearl", probably a borrowing from Sanskrit. Saint Margaret was martyred at Antioch in the 4th century. She is the patron saint of expectant mothers. Another famous bearer was Queen Margaret I of Denmark, who united Denmark, Sweden, and Norway in the 14th century. The name was also borne by Margaret Mitchell, author of 'Gone with the Wind'.
I thought it was interesting that St. Margaret was the patron saint of expectant mothers. Now I have to look up Rose!
ROSE
Gender: Feminine
Usage: English, French
Pronounced: ROZ [key]
In part it means simply "rose" from the word for the fragrant flower (derived from Latin rosa). However, it may have originally been a short form of names beginning with the Germanic element hros meaning "horse".
Love,
Susan
hi zerogirl, i sent you an e-mail about 3 days ago telling you what would happen but obviously you havent got it yet. i obviously havent gave you enough information about myself so i will do it now. people often get mixed up because of my name and think im a male and my name is "daryl" but i am female and my name is pronounced the same as danielle except with darr in front of it. dont worry about it, i am used to it.
i am 24 years old and i live in dundee which is in scotland. i have been in a long term relationship with my fiancee for 5 years and i have 3 beautiful kids. i have told you about my drug use so i wont go into it again.
i just thought i would clear this up incase there was any mix up. i look forward to hearing your story for the book. if i havent heard from you within a couple of days i will send you another e-mail. if you want to e-mail me then my address is writerdarrelle@hotmail.co.uk
look forward to hearing from you soon
MISS (haha) darrelle ferguson
i am 24 years old and i live in dundee which is in scotland. i have been in a long term relationship with my fiancee for 5 years and i have 3 beautiful kids. i have told you about my drug use so i wont go into it again.
i just thought i would clear this up incase there was any mix up. i look forward to hearing your story for the book. if i havent heard from you within a couple of days i will send you another e-mail. if you want to e-mail me then my address is writerdarrelle@hotmail.co.uk
look forward to hearing from you soon
MISS (haha) darrelle ferguson
