Hi All,
First of all, noone said Carrie was lying! It was suggested that maybe there is a problem with exagerating the truth. That being said, when this was brought up,
Carrie posted everywhere goodbye and unjoined alot of the groups. Never once did she so much as tell anyone this wasn't true.
My wife, Gina, who was supposed to be so close to her did nothing but devote
much of her time with her on the phone to love and support her. So much so that the cell phone bill got so high we lost it. Gina didn't even get a call from her
asking what was up. My wife spent last night crying in disbelief that she had let herself get so close to someone and confide in someone, give more time mentally and physically to someone, more so than her own family at times, only to be told goodbye through an e-mail that ended with "Bottoms Up"!
You people here have NO F---'in idea what has really been said or done other than whats been said here, which doesn't come close to even be the half of it!
I loved Carrie too, but after what she put my wife through, she can go F herself as far as I'm concerned! I'm not like that, but sorry, my wife comes first. And anyone who thinks I'm an a** for saying this, doesn't know anything other than maybe what Carrie herself wants you to know.
I hope she gets help, and I hope she stayes in recovery, but it wont be with the support from this house. I could make a list of things that would blow your minds
of sh-t she has said happened to her. I'm sorry, but no way is it possible.
Nobody can say I'm wrong because you weren't on the phone with her EVERY DAY MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
Sorry if this offends those that didn't want me to say anything, and those that may not talk to me anymore because of this post. I wasn't gonna post, but I'm a little sick of seeing my wife crying!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope your happy Carrie, Gina loved you and you ripped her heart out!
Take care...................................God bless...........................................Bob
Hi Bob
I am sorry to her of all this discord and certainly don't want to get caught in the middle of anything. I am also sorry to hear that you and Gina feel you have been hurt and let down, but please remember your sobriety and how it does not mix well with anger. Hope this short note helps you to remember to touch base with your recovery thats all. I was going to email but I am afraid I have lost your email address and i am not sure if you check on the other board because it is so quiet.
Warmly
Paul
I am sorry to her of all this discord and certainly don't want to get caught in the middle of anything. I am also sorry to hear that you and Gina feel you have been hurt and let down, but please remember your sobriety and how it does not mix well with anger. Hope this short note helps you to remember to touch base with your recovery thats all. I was going to email but I am afraid I have lost your email address and i am not sure if you check on the other board because it is so quiet.
Warmly
Paul
Bob- Your wife should be 100%. I support you on that and I think it awesome you support each other. She is a lucky woman.
Hi Paul,
Angry isn't the word..But I'm fine, but I will not allow, nevermind.
Thanks for your concern, hope your well, Take care.........God bless......Bob
sunberst585@msn.com
Angry isn't the word..But I'm fine, but I will not allow, nevermind.
Thanks for your concern, hope your well, Take care.........God bless......Bob
sunberst585@msn.com
bob,
you know my feelings on this subject as does gina.... I love you both and I hope gina can recover from this set back.
Many might find what I am going to say as distasteful and maybe cruel but I am going to say it nonetheless, Carrie's post was unfair and I felt an attempt to not just get support but to circle the wagons (so to speak) and create yet more drama. I for one do not know if her many illnesses and life complications are real or exagerated but to make a post like that and make reference to her kid being taken care of ect.. was inflamitory as you can see by some of the responses...
I truely hope that she gets help and doesnt use this as an exuse to use and blame others for it... but there is truely nothing anyone of us can do about that and frankly if I had a friend I would want them to come to me and ask me if they had questions about my conditions... rather than them secretly be thinking things and not say anything, but I guess some people just arent ready for that kind of honesty... and maybe it was just this kind of response .... oh well..
just tell gina that I am thinking of her... and that I love you both..
God Bless..
Teresa
you know my feelings on this subject as does gina.... I love you both and I hope gina can recover from this set back.
Many might find what I am going to say as distasteful and maybe cruel but I am going to say it nonetheless, Carrie's post was unfair and I felt an attempt to not just get support but to circle the wagons (so to speak) and create yet more drama. I for one do not know if her many illnesses and life complications are real or exagerated but to make a post like that and make reference to her kid being taken care of ect.. was inflamitory as you can see by some of the responses...
I truely hope that she gets help and doesnt use this as an exuse to use and blame others for it... but there is truely nothing anyone of us can do about that and frankly if I had a friend I would want them to come to me and ask me if they had questions about my conditions... rather than them secretly be thinking things and not say anything, but I guess some people just arent ready for that kind of honesty... and maybe it was just this kind of response .... oh well..
just tell gina that I am thinking of her... and that I love you both..
God Bless..
Teresa
bob how you doin?for what it's worth here is my opion on this situation and this goes for everyone who gets caught up in messes like this one,first and formost this is the internet! these are people you really don't know except for what they write on this board and for all you know could be 100# bulls*** so try not to get overley involved in these situations unless you actually know who you are dealing with in other words unless you have sat down face to face with this person,i would still give advice and try to help people who come to this board looking for help but try to rember this is the internet,alot of people have a hard time seperating the two,pearsonally i like the lighter side of addiction,what i mean by that is we all know how terrible this addiction is so try not to dwell on it to much it is way to deppersing so crack a joke make fun of or selves,well i hope this has helped...........vinny
Hi,
Thought I'd post some interesting reading for anyone interested.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...Marc_Feldman_2/
http://www.healthyplace.com/site/ar...icle_faking.asp
It's worth a look.
Take care.....................................God bless..........................................Bob
Thought I'd post some interesting reading for anyone interested.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...Marc_Feldman_2/
http://www.healthyplace.com/site/ar...icle_faking.asp
It's worth a look.
Take care.....................................God bless..........................................Bob
Hi,
Just a few lines from one of the links, incase you were wondering what it's about..........
"They make fantastic personal claims, which are later disproved or contradicted.
They describe the worsening of an illness, followed by a miraculous recovery.
They give light-hearted descriptions of serious medical problems.
They bring in "supporting players" when their audience's attention wanes. ("Now my mother's terminally ill.")
Create a division between those who believe the tale and those who don't
Cause some to leave the group
Temporarily distract the group from its mission by forcing it to focus on the poser."
Take care.................................. God bless.........................................Bob
Just a few lines from one of the links, incase you were wondering what it's about..........
"They make fantastic personal claims, which are later disproved or contradicted.
They describe the worsening of an illness, followed by a miraculous recovery.
They give light-hearted descriptions of serious medical problems.
They bring in "supporting players" when their audience's attention wanes. ("Now my mother's terminally ill.")
Create a division between those who believe the tale and those who don't
Cause some to leave the group
Temporarily distract the group from its mission by forcing it to focus on the poser."
Take care.................................. God bless.........................................Bob
Hi Bob:
I don't understand. I have been here long enough to know that you, Gina, Carrie and Sharon were all friends. I assume by reading the posts there has been a falling out of sorts. Are you suggesting that she does not have cancer? I'm just confused as I read in another thread where Prenantmom has actually seen her in her illness. I trust that by making such a serious claim, as in Munchausen, that you have enough reason for doing so. I don't usually get involved in the disputes that seem to carry on from other boards to here but I am thoroughly confused. I just would like to have a clearer picture of what's going on since it seems to be encompassing the entire board.
Thanks,
Rachel
I don't understand. I have been here long enough to know that you, Gina, Carrie and Sharon were all friends. I assume by reading the posts there has been a falling out of sorts. Are you suggesting that she does not have cancer? I'm just confused as I read in another thread where Prenantmom has actually seen her in her illness. I trust that by making such a serious claim, as in Munchausen, that you have enough reason for doing so. I don't usually get involved in the disputes that seem to carry on from other boards to here but I am thoroughly confused. I just would like to have a clearer picture of what's going on since it seems to be encompassing the entire board.
Thanks,
Rachel
Yes, I always wondered what happened to good ol Thelma and Louise???? Isn't that what they called themselves? I thought it was so cute.
Marie
Marie
Hi,
I promised myself I wouldn't post anymore about this. I'll say this.....
I'm not suggesting anything. Nor did I ever say anyone lied or is lying. I'm saying
with everything that has been said, not here, but in personal conversations between my wife and Carrie, and the countless situations daily that were claimed to be fact, just, to me at least, cast more than a little doubt. Maybe
not about some things, some exagerations maybe, some truths maybe, I don't know. But what I know or was told by Carrie herself, that you people could never know nor will I list them, things just don't add up. My opinion, I know I'm not alone in my thinking, but thats all I'll say. Those are real good sites for anyone, not just this situation, but anyone that gets close to someone they don't know face to face via computer, phone, mail, or whatever.
Rachel, I hope this helped with your question a little, I have no interest in discussing it further. Back to recovery for me, we're all addicts here. Can we really trust who we can't see or touch? I don't trust everyone I know face to face.
Take care..................................God bless............................................Bob
I promised myself I wouldn't post anymore about this. I'll say this.....
I'm not suggesting anything. Nor did I ever say anyone lied or is lying. I'm saying
with everything that has been said, not here, but in personal conversations between my wife and Carrie, and the countless situations daily that were claimed to be fact, just, to me at least, cast more than a little doubt. Maybe
not about some things, some exagerations maybe, some truths maybe, I don't know. But what I know or was told by Carrie herself, that you people could never know nor will I list them, things just don't add up. My opinion, I know I'm not alone in my thinking, but thats all I'll say. Those are real good sites for anyone, not just this situation, but anyone that gets close to someone they don't know face to face via computer, phone, mail, or whatever.
Rachel, I hope this helped with your question a little, I have no interest in discussing it further. Back to recovery for me, we're all addicts here. Can we really trust who we can't see or touch? I don't trust everyone I know face to face.
Take care..................................God bless............................................Bob
I don't trust everyone face to face either. The truth is out there and we may never even know all the facts about things. I wasn't with you during your conversations with Carrie and Gina so how do I know they happened??? Same way I don't go with Carrie to her doctor's appointments. Same way you don't know if I was really pregnant and miscarried. I tell you I was but doesn't mean you have to believe it. And to me it doesn't even matter because I'm true to myself. Somewhere however, don't we give another the benefit of the doubt???? I give you the benefit of the doubt as I do Carrie, as I do anyone whose hurting. I do it until I know something different. It's all I know.
PM
PM
Bob:
Yes, you answered my question. I've just seen these disputes "hog" the board and I never really understood where all this incestuous fighting was stemming from because you all were such good friends or at least touted as being so. So, I will continue on in recovery and continue to not get involved in any of these spats. Thank you for your reply.
Rachel
Yes, you answered my question. I've just seen these disputes "hog" the board and I never really understood where all this incestuous fighting was stemming from because you all were such good friends or at least touted as being so. So, I will continue on in recovery and continue to not get involved in any of these spats. Thank you for your reply.
Rachel
Hi,
I have no interest in discussing this. Only to say this isnt about whether or not she has cancer. Although the severity of it comes into question. There is just way to many things most of you could never know if not all of you but me. Things that were told to me and looking back on it...I dont even know how to put it. I could make a list of different tragedies but I wont. Its not an attack on whether or not she has cancer. Noone and i mean noone has that many damn dramas everyday of there life. NOONE! You could not possibly know what I am talking about because I was on the phone with her....and there was never any finality to any of them. EVER. I dont question alot of what I read unless I have a reason. This time I had a reason. Something finally clicked with it. I was the last to know. Guess I was too close to it. I let myself. I will never do it again either. I trust nothing and noone anymore. I have lost it completely. Believe what you want I really dont care anymore. I have nothing to defend I did NOTHING wrong. NOTHING. I didnt send the initial email. and for all carrie knew i knew nothing,.she didnt callme nothing. she just assumed ...as always. She was my best friend online. I trusted her . She broke that. Now I have to heal. She is sitting here watching all this unravel. Bob made the first post in this thread...2 mins later she emailed him....hey Carrie I hope your having fun ...but it wont be at my expense anymore. You made a f***** a** out of me once. NEVER AGAIN! I will not allow it. Anyone can make up and copy medical reports..i am not dumb as you think i am. All I can say is i trusted you and you spit in my face...damn you to hell carrie
I have no interest in discussing this. Only to say this isnt about whether or not she has cancer. Although the severity of it comes into question. There is just way to many things most of you could never know if not all of you but me. Things that were told to me and looking back on it...I dont even know how to put it. I could make a list of different tragedies but I wont. Its not an attack on whether or not she has cancer. Noone and i mean noone has that many damn dramas everyday of there life. NOONE! You could not possibly know what I am talking about because I was on the phone with her....and there was never any finality to any of them. EVER. I dont question alot of what I read unless I have a reason. This time I had a reason. Something finally clicked with it. I was the last to know. Guess I was too close to it. I let myself. I will never do it again either. I trust nothing and noone anymore. I have lost it completely. Believe what you want I really dont care anymore. I have nothing to defend I did NOTHING wrong. NOTHING. I didnt send the initial email. and for all carrie knew i knew nothing,.she didnt callme nothing. she just assumed ...as always. She was my best friend online. I trusted her . She broke that. Now I have to heal. She is sitting here watching all this unravel. Bob made the first post in this thread...2 mins later she emailed him....hey Carrie I hope your having fun ...but it wont be at my expense anymore. You made a f***** a** out of me once. NEVER AGAIN! I will not allow it. Anyone can make up and copy medical reports..i am not dumb as you think i am. All I can say is i trusted you and you spit in my face...damn you to hell carrie
God grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change
the courage to change the things i can
and the wisdom to know the difference
think i need to pray now....
the courage to change the things i can
and the wisdom to know the difference
think i need to pray now....
I don't want to get involved in this stuff. But I have TON's of medical records. All legit. How can you fake those? They are too "official". But, I also want to commend you and Bob on sticking to each other in a time of need. I don't know the circumstances, obviously. If you are sick, you are. If not, then not. But that is all our own personal problems. The problem (or actually solution here) is recovery. Sorry..just throwing my two cents in, which sometimes is worth about a penny, if that.
I have heard nothing that would refute the basic premise that Carrie has bone cancer. A best case reading of the some these posts can be summarized as follows. Carrie had a falling out with some friends off the board, meaning the people on this board were unaware of nature of that falling out. She named no names, but was clearly very hurt. She announced that she was relapsing, which gave rise to some controversy as to how to approach this issue with someone who has cancer.
Then another poster, also party to the falling out, announced that he too is upset, and suggested that Carrie may have exaggerated her illness. He quickly named names. He offered nothing to specific to support this, other than to post a couple of links on Muchausens. As far as I know this person is not a psychologist and thus is not qualified to diagnose others as to their mental health issues. He may harbor his suspicions, but it is quite another thing to air those suspicions publicly in a manner that casts doubt on another.
Until I have good evidence that Carrie does not have bond cancer, I will accept what she has told me personally at face value and will treat her as a cancer patient with an extremely serious health issue.
Others are of course welcome to draw contrary conclusions.
By the way, I really have no interest in the personal travails of others, particularly if they occur off this board. All I saw was a person whom I have known for many months crying out in pain. I have to accept that at face value.
I would rather be a sucker than a cynic.
August
Then another poster, also party to the falling out, announced that he too is upset, and suggested that Carrie may have exaggerated her illness. He quickly named names. He offered nothing to specific to support this, other than to post a couple of links on Muchausens. As far as I know this person is not a psychologist and thus is not qualified to diagnose others as to their mental health issues. He may harbor his suspicions, but it is quite another thing to air those suspicions publicly in a manner that casts doubt on another.
Until I have good evidence that Carrie does not have bond cancer, I will accept what she has told me personally at face value and will treat her as a cancer patient with an extremely serious health issue.
Others are of course welcome to draw contrary conclusions.
By the way, I really have no interest in the personal travails of others, particularly if they occur off this board. All I saw was a person whom I have known for many months crying out in pain. I have to accept that at face value.
I would rather be a sucker than a cynic.
August
Dont feel bad Danny. I feel so bad about this situation. I'm so so sorry that you were so terribly hurt Gina - I had NO idea. I really dont think Carrie did this intentionally - I dont know what to say or think anymore. Seems like I'm always in the middle. Please know that I DO CARE. About everyone.
Love,
Marie
Love,
Marie
Danny,
the only thing I have to say in regard to your assertion to your post is simply this... if you would like to give me a diagnosis and a brief fake description of what you want the document to say... I would be glad to fake one for you to show you how easy it is to produce such a document to 'prove' to a lay person the validity of a disease..
so in short you can 'fake' a medical record for this purpose..
Teresa
the only thing I have to say in regard to your assertion to your post is simply this... if you would like to give me a diagnosis and a brief fake description of what you want the document to say... I would be glad to fake one for you to show you how easy it is to produce such a document to 'prove' to a lay person the validity of a disease..
so in short you can 'fake' a medical record for this purpose..
Teresa
to all,
Let me again point out one fact...there is only one person that is responsible for bringing this from one board to the other..
and also let me reinterate.. that there is more to this story than meets the eye as Gina has said... I believe that out of concern and compassion for Carrie the details of her dramas have been purposely been left out and if some of the details had been shared more would see the point of the questions. .... but it is clear that by carrie bringing this issue to this board in the fashion that is was it has created a them against us mentality..... I am sorry if this seems harsh but I wonder if this motive wasnt premeditated from the moment that the firtst post was written..
As for the validity of her illnesses ... as I understand some of the more inimiate details from carrie herself... I must admit that it would appear incrediable but.... I would ask if we could all just get back to the task at hand and not dwell on this ...
Gina.... Please do not let this destroy your trust in others... some of us need your trust and deserve it... I value our friendship and if there is anything I can do to help you in this difficult time...
Carrie... please continue to seek recovery.... I pray that you dont use this or any exuse to use... be honest with yourself and know that you are valuable and people love you for just you not any chaos or whatever... you are worth recovery...
just more of my two cents..
Teresa
Let me again point out one fact...there is only one person that is responsible for bringing this from one board to the other..
and also let me reinterate.. that there is more to this story than meets the eye as Gina has said... I believe that out of concern and compassion for Carrie the details of her dramas have been purposely been left out and if some of the details had been shared more would see the point of the questions. .... but it is clear that by carrie bringing this issue to this board in the fashion that is was it has created a them against us mentality..... I am sorry if this seems harsh but I wonder if this motive wasnt premeditated from the moment that the firtst post was written..
As for the validity of her illnesses ... as I understand some of the more inimiate details from carrie herself... I must admit that it would appear incrediable but.... I would ask if we could all just get back to the task at hand and not dwell on this ...
Gina.... Please do not let this destroy your trust in others... some of us need your trust and deserve it... I value our friendship and if there is anything I can do to help you in this difficult time...
Carrie... please continue to seek recovery.... I pray that you dont use this or any exuse to use... be honest with yourself and know that you are valuable and people love you for just you not any chaos or whatever... you are worth recovery...
just more of my two cents..
Teresa