I agree I feel the same way doctors have no idea how to treat pain in most instances.....
But my husbands doctor also will not cut him off. I sat there dumbfounded when my husband said no more pills and the doctor said I can't do that it is unethical. His reasoning my husbnad has real pain, this is legit, will get worse as time goes on and there in no surgery option.....
But see me I always wondered why they don't much offer anything else. I only see other options really put out there by the big wigs, the neurologists were the guys who offered a new way, always. My husband didn't opt for that, well until pills and heroin ate him alive.....
Pain management, and the family doctor still were stuck in that pill to cure all....
A pill to cure all.....
I think that is the biggest problem, addiction or not as a whole this is a pill to cure all society, one of better now, quick fixes and the least amount of work. This isn't a good for anyone....
I know people with high bps, high sugar that haven't once tried to change their habits, behaviors, a pill will fix them....And they fit in this how, in terms of the doctors who give them their pills. It isn't just opiates. There is something so wrong with the whole thing.
It is society as a whole??????/
I love ya Danny...hehe
And I know you suffer and I keep you in my prayers...xoxo
And I know you suffer and I keep you in my prayers...xoxo
Shelly
This is a good topic, thanks for posting it. My doctor had absolutly no problems calling in multiple scripts to different pharmacies to keep me in pills. Did he cause my addiction? No. Did he make me swallow pills. No. Did he enable my behavior? Absolutely. I had a responsibility to make the right choices, and he as a doctor had a responsibility to do the same. Neither happened. I owned up to my end, and he retired.
Tom is absolutely right. If they can perscribe a substance with the potential for abuse and dependency, they better damn sure know how to treat it. But, in the real word, I doubt that happens.
Michelle
This is a good topic, thanks for posting it. My doctor had absolutly no problems calling in multiple scripts to different pharmacies to keep me in pills. Did he cause my addiction? No. Did he make me swallow pills. No. Did he enable my behavior? Absolutely. I had a responsibility to make the right choices, and he as a doctor had a responsibility to do the same. Neither happened. I owned up to my end, and he retired.
Tom is absolutely right. If they can perscribe a substance with the potential for abuse and dependency, they better damn sure know how to treat it. But, in the real word, I doubt that happens.
Michelle
When I told my doctor about my addiction I asked him to make a note in my chart that while I was under his care or anyone in his practice I was not to be perscribed narcotics. He wouldn't do it. He said there might come a time when I really did need them. Haven't been back to him since. Shantel
Mistyeyes quotes-
I totally agree.
Money.......don't ever kid yourself.The time a GP would spend on coming up with an alternative solution would require 3x the amount of time than to simply write a script.They make money on the amount of patients they see.
A doctor I use to see works out at my gym.He use to write me scripts of Percocet,Valium etc.He told me one time that he liked patients like me because we came in and knew exactly what we wanted.I kid you not.
He spent maybe 6 minutes tops with me and most of that time was spent trying to find out where he stashed his triplicate prescription pad.
Of course I would always tell him where he left it last.LOL
He knows I'm in recovery now but probably would still write me out a script if I came in and gave my 60 bucks.
One time when I was in his office he said it would be great to have a drive-thru for patients like me.At the time I was very pepped at the ideal.
It's a business and although there are some great doctors out there,they do have to pay back that education.
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I totally agree.
Money.......don't ever kid yourself.The time a GP would spend on coming up with an alternative solution would require 3x the amount of time than to simply write a script.They make money on the amount of patients they see.
A doctor I use to see works out at my gym.He use to write me scripts of Percocet,Valium etc.He told me one time that he liked patients like me because we came in and knew exactly what we wanted.I kid you not.
He spent maybe 6 minutes tops with me and most of that time was spent trying to find out where he stashed his triplicate prescription pad.
Of course I would always tell him where he left it last.LOL
He knows I'm in recovery now but probably would still write me out a script if I came in and gave my 60 bucks.
One time when I was in his office he said it would be great to have a drive-thru for patients like me.At the time I was very pepped at the ideal.
It's a business and although there are some great doctors out there,they do have to pay back that education.
The only reason a doctor may have to know what is going on is they are the one who is giving out the drug, in order to cover their end. And I have seen on here more than once people who have cessated a drug, yet not told their doctor about their problem.
Exactly how is a doctor truly to "know" when there is a problem? Exactly what amount, of what drug and for how long, is appropriate for each type of pain? Perhaps we might have a hard and fast rule, in order to "prevent addiction". I am almost wringing my hands in a morbid type of glee to hear the squawking then.
And my HMO's indeed are very stingy about drugs, just because of the people on this board, myself included. Protect people from themselves....
And I must figure how to make a poll where people are polled on whether they had previous problems with other drugs/alcohol and started up pain pills yet didn't tell their doctor about their previous problems before starting the opiates. I would be very, very curious on that one.....
Oh man, those poor alcoholics, who is going to restrict their access? How do they survive? The responsibility sits on me, and no one else. Enabling doctors, just like enabling family members are no more responsible for my drug use, end of story. The only reason doctors should stop enabling is to protect themselves legally and truly out of concern for their patients. If the patients want more drugs, let them buy them off the street just like any other drug addict.
Thank goodness I go to AA, where the responsibility for the drug use sits right in front of the mirror. Where else can an alcoholic point? Best thing that could have happened to me...and I not even an alcoholic.....
Oh and 12stepper put out a absolutely fantastic hypothetical situation that oh maaaan, that's it.
Exactly how is a doctor truly to "know" when there is a problem? Exactly what amount, of what drug and for how long, is appropriate for each type of pain? Perhaps we might have a hard and fast rule, in order to "prevent addiction". I am almost wringing my hands in a morbid type of glee to hear the squawking then.
And my HMO's indeed are very stingy about drugs, just because of the people on this board, myself included. Protect people from themselves....
And I must figure how to make a poll where people are polled on whether they had previous problems with other drugs/alcohol and started up pain pills yet didn't tell their doctor about their previous problems before starting the opiates. I would be very, very curious on that one.....
Oh man, those poor alcoholics, who is going to restrict their access? How do they survive? The responsibility sits on me, and no one else. Enabling doctors, just like enabling family members are no more responsible for my drug use, end of story. The only reason doctors should stop enabling is to protect themselves legally and truly out of concern for their patients. If the patients want more drugs, let them buy them off the street just like any other drug addict.
Thank goodness I go to AA, where the responsibility for the drug use sits right in front of the mirror. Where else can an alcoholic point? Best thing that could have happened to me...and I not even an alcoholic.....
Oh and 12stepper put out a absolutely fantastic hypothetical situation that oh maaaan, that's it.
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This is what happens when one skims posts, one misses this gem..
Oh yeah, that is it!!!!!! Based on my "performances", one would have thought my "headaches" were being caused by a brain tumor...I am so ready for the Oscars.....
This is what happens when one skims posts, one misses this gem..
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Oh yeah, that is it!!!!!! Based on my "performances", one would have thought my "headaches" were being caused by a brain tumor...I am so ready for the Oscars.....
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LMFAO....actually Elim, I had myself convinced I did have some sort of brain tumor and actually felt alot of sympathy for myself....of course, when they tried to explain what rebound headaches were, I assured them I was different and needed the medication in order to function in society.....My husband is so grateful that after 5years of complaining about a headache, I now complain about his lack of effort to clean the yard <beg>
Is there a pill to stop the nagging and where do I line up for that one?
I truly believe the Academy Award was for me....I knew EXACTLY what to say and not say..always willing to show off my many surgical scars......I had an unscrupulous Dr. who wrote me scripts so he could sleep with me...I really fell for him, so it was no problem. When I wanted to end the relationship he cut me off and called me an addict. I was responsible and also accountable for my own behavior..however I think he was a manipulative dirtbag. Sharonn
Nagging is an art, Danny. It takes a lot of practice to get good at it. That's why we do it so much. <BEG>
Well Kat- then my first ex was certainly one of the "Masters"...
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For me or her?
I agree with Kat...it is probably the only thing I have perfected on this planet....
ps...please don't let my husband in on the cynide...I need his as* around so he can finish those oh so many projects he has going on around our house....he calls it remodeling, I call it a lifetime of living in upheavel....
ps...please don't let my husband in on the cynide...I need his as* around so he can finish those oh so many projects he has going on around our house....he calls it remodeling, I call it a lifetime of living in upheavel....
And do you nag him? And does it do any good?
No, I really don't nag him....I do laugh at him or will make a smart as* remark to get the point across but I'm lucky, my husband & I are best friends and accepted each others defects of character a few years back.....
plus, if I nag, he freakin leaves & goes fishing.....
plus, if I nag, he freakin leaves & goes fishing.....
Stac, LMAO I nag just for that reason so mine will leave and go fishing. Works everytime. Shantel
I for so long blamed my Dr. as did my whole family....when I went to rehab I showed my mom and husband my script bottles..vikes 240 ct, Morphine 40 ct, foricet w/codine 280 ct (just my dr. drugs not my street stuff) they were so mad and made countless calls to my dr. NO ONE HELD A GUN TO MY HEAD ! I played my dr's like a fiddle, just like most of us on here. And at the risk of being yelled at on here..who gives a sh*t if you want to blame your dr. or anyone else? bottom line you need to quit,fess up to what you did, get over it, and move on with your life.
I just wanted to ad, did your dr. give you a script for 20-30 pills a day? I don't think so. we ALL found ways to get more and more and more.
