Just wanted to drop a link for some newbies and old fogies.
sounds like something a lot of folks around here might be interested in.
www.smartrecovery.org.
hi there. years ago when i was in a group therapy situation related totally to those with substance abuse issues most folks did the 12 steps. i went to a few meetings and rejected that but then i discovered what was then called "rational revovery" founded by noted psych albert ellis,(who my mother adored and i grew up with his theories and thoughts.... i think my mother took classes with him).
anyway the rational recovery group was pretty cool but it was the same night as my substance abuse group so i stuck with my group. glad i did but years later i still have the books..... somewhere..... they are great. they put down the aa 12 steps and create their own. step one that you are not powerless because if you were you wouldn't be seeking help. i am of that school of thought but never pursued it. good you posted it jamv. it's rational and makes sense.
and it's now called 'smart recovery' i don't know if albert ellis is still involved or even still alive. there was another guy...... can't remember his name. he was cool too. i think it's his gig now.
anyway good to post that.
i'm going to buy a rubber tree plant and hope my cats don't eat it. my husband will wonder why as i'm not a plant person, no green thumb ha...just cravings.
i'll tell him i'm a part of an exciting new revolution and he'll think i'm joining yet another activist group :) i guess i am huh?
jo
anyway the rational recovery group was pretty cool but it was the same night as my substance abuse group so i stuck with my group. glad i did but years later i still have the books..... somewhere..... they are great. they put down the aa 12 steps and create their own. step one that you are not powerless because if you were you wouldn't be seeking help. i am of that school of thought but never pursued it. good you posted it jamv. it's rational and makes sense.
and it's now called 'smart recovery' i don't know if albert ellis is still involved or even still alive. there was another guy...... can't remember his name. he was cool too. i think it's his gig now.
anyway good to post that.
i'm going to buy a rubber tree plant and hope my cats don't eat it. my husband will wonder why as i'm not a plant person, no green thumb ha...just cravings.
i'll tell him i'm a part of an exciting new revolution and he'll think i'm joining yet another activist group :) i guess i am huh?
jo
It isnt the same as rational recovery.
It does use the Rational emotive behavioral therapy from Albert Ellis, but is not the same thing.
I think Rational recovery is similiar, but now requesting lots of Money !?!
I will double check the other guy, it is 2 am, right now so my brain isnt workign well
smart rec. uses cognitive ther. as well
It does use the Rational emotive behavioral therapy from Albert Ellis, but is not the same thing.
I think Rational recovery is similiar, but now requesting lots of Money !?!
I will double check the other guy, it is 2 am, right now so my brain isnt workign well
smart rec. uses cognitive ther. as well
Currently I'm looking into Shamanism. Why? Because when my 10 year old asked me out of the blue (wtf?) if I'm a Shaman....I paid attention. He is such an old soul.
It's wonderful to be "paying attention" in every aspect of my life.
Jamv, I checked out the website, sounds a little like the group I go to, and a little like the group I went to at the hospital in the nineties. :-)
The really great things I learned I passed on to my kids. For example, when they were little and said things like, "This kid at school made me feel really sad." I'd say, "Did you know that people can't make you feel a certain way? It's always a choice how you feel." I would ask them to come up with ways they would like to feel and ask how they could achieve that.
I also learned/taught over the years, responding with, "I'm sorry you feel that way." goes a long way when someone is being less than kind towards you.:-)
I was such a good mom when they were small and I was in therapy..... until I relapsed. :-(
Oh well, today is today and things can only get better......
As long as I'm walking the walk....
It's wonderful to be "paying attention" in every aspect of my life.
Jamv, I checked out the website, sounds a little like the group I go to, and a little like the group I went to at the hospital in the nineties. :-)
The really great things I learned I passed on to my kids. For example, when they were little and said things like, "This kid at school made me feel really sad." I'd say, "Did you know that people can't make you feel a certain way? It's always a choice how you feel." I would ask them to come up with ways they would like to feel and ask how they could achieve that.
I also learned/taught over the years, responding with, "I'm sorry you feel that way." goes a long way when someone is being less than kind towards you.:-)
I was such a good mom when they were small and I was in therapy..... until I relapsed. :-(
Oh well, today is today and things can only get better......
As long as I'm walking the walk....
don't shaman's bang drums.... ???? cool.
i don't want to work, i want to bang on the drum all day!
i'm having a hard day..... all i want to do...... but i'm not going to.
menstral, sad and ........ no motivation. just great huh?
jo
i don't want to work, i want to bang on the drum all day!
i'm having a hard day..... all i want to do...... but i'm not going to.
menstral, sad and ........ no motivation. just great huh?
jo
JoJo, it's my belief menstration is about rejuvenation. It's a reminder monthly to slow down, take care of yourself, as women we are so about giving to everyone else. Our periods are here to say, hey, you are an amazing person who deserves self-love, self-care, sleep, write, create, read, bang on a drum, cry, just go with it, accept all of it, or midol it, whatever says, "hey this is about me," for a few days out of the month, clear your schedule and just "be". Some women and men think that's selfish...I look at it as self-full. :-) If you aren't full, you have nothing to give away the rest of the month.....
Nobody will die if you take some time for yourself, I promise.:-) (in more ways than one.) LOL
Nobody will die if you take some time for yourself, I promise.:-) (in more ways than one.) LOL
jojo, what wonder woman said !!!!!
ww. i thought of your group when i was reading about the smart recovery stuff. I am going to try and get more training on it if i can.
jojo, i am with you, lets bang some drums, i dont want to work either, and why do all these depressed people want to talk to me, heeheee
ww. i thought of your group when i was reading about the smart recovery stuff. I am going to try and get more training on it if i can.
jojo, i am with you, lets bang some drums, i dont want to work either, and why do all these depressed people want to talk to me, heeheee
Jamv: I read this in my paper yesterday. Spirituality relieves depression. Pass it on to the depressed people in your life. Hey, it works for me. :-)
JoJo: We have many kinds of drums in our house. :-) And the animal totems thingee....and my dreams/visions....Reiki healing......hmmmmm, my son might be on to something......
JoJo: We have many kinds of drums in our house. :-) And the animal totems thingee....and my dreams/visions....Reiki healing......hmmmmm, my son might be on to something......
thanks ladies.....:)
also at 40something things are changing and it's kind of like back to what it was like in the teenage years.
but you are right.
thanks...
ooops there goes another rubber tree plant!
jo-
downloaded the song today :)
also at 40something things are changing and it's kind of like back to what it was like in the teenage years.
but you are right.
thanks...
ooops there goes another rubber tree plant!
jo-
downloaded the song today :)
also ww and jamv - it's such a healthy mindset to have to take the time to just ...... bleed! and in my younger years i did just that. lady time/woman time. i had a friend in new mexico speaking of shamans and that was her thing. but as years have passed and the rat race has got to me i just keep going.... no 1/2 days not time for me...... jamv knows i work on my own stuff/business till all hours of the night. except lately due to lack of creativity and motivation. oh my clients what to do????
but today i am taking your words to heart. taking some time to just feel lousy..... i just took an rx motrin which i haven't in years..... used to be the weed would give me a lift and mellow me........ alas.
so today i am without weed and i'm leaving work a little early while the apt is quiet and i'm going to....... bang on the drum!
and maybe if i can muster it.... i'm gonna cry!
thank you ladies- jo
but today i am taking your words to heart. taking some time to just feel lousy..... i just took an rx motrin which i haven't in years..... used to be the weed would give me a lift and mellow me........ alas.
so today i am without weed and i'm leaving work a little early while the apt is quiet and i'm going to....... bang on the drum!
and maybe if i can muster it.... i'm gonna cry!
thank you ladies- jo
One topic hippinerd cannot comment on!!!!!!!! PERIODS
LMAO
ww. when you have the courage email me sometime and i will share how there is no way to give all that spirituality to all the depressed people in my life. lol. there are way too many in one day. or check out some old boards i think i let things slip then.
jamvw@hotmail.com
LMAO
ww. when you have the courage email me sometime and i will share how there is no way to give all that spirituality to all the depressed people in my life. lol. there are way too many in one day. or check out some old boards i think i let things slip then.
jamvw@hotmail.com
Big heavy sigh, Ok ok, you got mail.....unfortunately I couldn't use "wonderwoman" . Scandalous!!!!
ww. you have mail and are added to my chat.
jojo, you need to get a bogus hotmail account so we can set you up on chat.
jojo, you need to get a bogus hotmail account so we can set you up on chat.
For me at least, Smart Recovery is a viable option. What I have become stems beyond the drug itself. In NA, some issues are non-negioable, which seems outdated and crude. I'm not so much concerned about what I beleive as much as what I can change. I like the idea of being in control of my own decisions. I've always seeked the easy way out of any stressful situation, extending to when I was a kid and didn't have the drive to be a competitive sports guy. I'm off to sleep.
"Don't let the lion out!"- Carl
"Don't let the lion out!"- Carl
%jamv quit readin my mind! :P%
hi hip- sorry you are in a bad mood.
i am beyond a bad mood. not via clean time but by my feeble mother who for all i do, it's never enough. i will NOT pick up today. i will not let the person who helped get me to this awful spot pull me back in. last year i had this much clean time and she had a heart attack and i picked up. not again. i promise you all!
don't know if i can post today. i am sick. i have a headache and i am beyond words....................
last night i dreamed my mother was in the hospital dying and all i wanted to do was take a shower. (in other words get clean of her and GET CLEAN)!
thank you dr. freud.
outta my mind here in nyc - jo
i am beyond a bad mood. not via clean time but by my feeble mother who for all i do, it's never enough. i will NOT pick up today. i will not let the person who helped get me to this awful spot pull me back in. last year i had this much clean time and she had a heart attack and i picked up. not again. i promise you all!
don't know if i can post today. i am sick. i have a headache and i am beyond words....................
last night i dreamed my mother was in the hospital dying and all i wanted to do was take a shower. (in other words get clean of her and GET CLEAN)!
thank you dr. freud.
outta my mind here in nyc - jo
hippinerd %a mind is a terrible thing to waste%
JoJo good on you, hang in there !
Hippinerd, it'll pass. Don't give up.
Hippinerd, it'll pass. Don't give up.
give up? me? quit is a four letter word! (I stopped smoking) lol
jamv- If you had said a mind is a terrible thing to have wasted, no need for the %'s
jamv- If you had said a mind is a terrible thing to have wasted, no need for the %'s
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