Hey Everyone -
This is just out of curiousity and wanted everyone's opinions, good or bad (be nice tho LOL). I was reading on another post about the sub and thought that Danielle had made a good point on cigarette smoking. The schools, etc. teach the children that cigarettes are a "drug" and how bad they are for you. What do you think? I, myself, dont smoke - but then again I drink alot of diet pepsi. Is caffeine a drug too? Is it mind altering? I dont think I could function without my 2 cups of coffee in the am. Where does it end?
So, spill the (coffee) beans, guys - who smokes, drinks coffee and how much? Whats your honest opinion on it?
I'll cry if anyone blasts me about this (lol).
Love to all,
Marie
Good point
Caffeine is definatley one I should work on. I drink about 8-10 pepsi's a day, if I dont get them I get terrible headaches. They also lift my mood in a morning but I guess they are not too harmfull. Maybe I should have had a few more today lol.
Neon
Caffeine is definatley one I should work on. I drink about 8-10 pepsi's a day, if I dont get them I get terrible headaches. They also lift my mood in a morning but I guess they are not too harmfull. Maybe I should have had a few more today lol.
Neon
marie i think this is a good subject
i do not smoke or drink hardly any coffee (about 2 cups a week) so i don't know how it affects you i do know i read somewhere nicotine is mind altering and it does somewhat satisfy some endorphins same as opiates, i read that is why most addicts in recovery do smoke, (this is just what i read somewhere and not my personal observation) but like i said yesterday "to each his own" i do know that before when my wife and i went through w/d's she seemed to handle it better when she smoked, but maybe she is just not as big a baby as i am. i do think it makes a difference though. however i too would like to hear more feedback on this as well
thanks for all you do
johnny
i do not smoke or drink hardly any coffee (about 2 cups a week) so i don't know how it affects you i do know i read somewhere nicotine is mind altering and it does somewhat satisfy some endorphins same as opiates, i read that is why most addicts in recovery do smoke, (this is just what i read somewhere and not my personal observation) but like i said yesterday "to each his own" i do know that before when my wife and i went through w/d's she seemed to handle it better when she smoked, but maybe she is just not as big a baby as i am. i do think it makes a difference though. however i too would like to hear more feedback on this as well
thanks for all you do
johnny
This is a good subject. I always drink caffine...in fact I'm drinking a mountain dew right now lol. Well about the smoking thing, yeah I've smoked before but I haven't in about 3-4 months. It isn't really a problem for me. When I have them I'll smoke them, but if I don't then it doesn't matter much.
How come the worst kind of coke has to be mountain dew? I mean it's just soo good lol. And yes, caffine is a type of drug
How come the worst kind of coke has to be mountain dew? I mean it's just soo good lol. And yes, caffine is a type of drug
Hey Marie,
Hope you are well today...I don't do caffeine, but the smoking, well thats something I need to work on........
Paul the hubby is getting nutty with the caffiene too wonder whats up with that......
You have a good,
Love Yah,
Tina
Hope you are well today...I don't do caffeine, but the smoking, well thats something I need to work on........
Paul the hubby is getting nutty with the caffiene too wonder whats up with that......
You have a good,
Love Yah,
Tina
I smoke but no longer drink coffee. I used to drink it all day long. Now I drink 7-Up. I've tried to quit smoking but for some reason cant. Tried the patch, hypnosis, everything..this came up once before. When I was in detox for Xanax, at least 90% of the people smoked. They didn't allow coffee. So I guess there is a tie in there with addictions..
maria are to trying to hipmatie us to say what you want to hear just kidding your avater is wow something esle love you not feeling well I stareted a mess to a post to danny well I will let it go now miss you love poopie still clean
i smoke cigarettes drink diet coke and coffee and eat chocolate. does that put us in relapse hehehe j/k
terrianne
terrianne
I don't drink a lot of coffee, but I DO drink A LOT of Diet Mountain Dew... .there are some days I'll have 4 or 5.
The last couple of days I've had a headache and thought it could be a withdrawal symptom or an effect from the sub....
I mentioned it to my doctor and the first thing she asked was if I had cut out coffee when I quit pain pills.
When I started the sub, I was so concentrated on that and taking vitamins and drinking water (gasp!) that I didn't have any soda for almost 2 days. My head was killing me! I chalked it up to a combination of everything, but as soon as I drank a cup of coffee, it got better.
As you all know, I've never smoked.....and I'm so glad I never started. This new doctor said it is soooo hard to stop doing drugs when you smoke because, like I mentioned before, smoking triggers that addictive personality part of your brain.....
Isn't it funny...... I turn my nose up at people smoking in restaurants, but yet I almost ALWAYS could be found taking Vicodin while sitting at the table.... I was so good I could take them at a business dinner or out to eat with my parents and do it so smoothly no one would even know it....
The last couple of days I've had a headache and thought it could be a withdrawal symptom or an effect from the sub....
I mentioned it to my doctor and the first thing she asked was if I had cut out coffee when I quit pain pills.
When I started the sub, I was so concentrated on that and taking vitamins and drinking water (gasp!) that I didn't have any soda for almost 2 days. My head was killing me! I chalked it up to a combination of everything, but as soon as I drank a cup of coffee, it got better.
As you all know, I've never smoked.....and I'm so glad I never started. This new doctor said it is soooo hard to stop doing drugs when you smoke because, like I mentioned before, smoking triggers that addictive personality part of your brain.....
Isn't it funny...... I turn my nose up at people smoking in restaurants, but yet I almost ALWAYS could be found taking Vicodin while sitting at the table.... I was so good I could take them at a business dinner or out to eat with my parents and do it so smoothly no one would even know it....
I smoke, drink pepsi, sometimes indulge in coffee, but I have never smoked coffee. I even remember when i was about 17 trying to make coffee into a drug somehow, honest, i called it black smack, but it didnt do anything.
True, nicotine is a drug, a nasty one & much more dangerous then a lot of drug drugs, at the same time I don't know how wise it is for teachers to be teaching that cigarettes are a drug & classifying it with all that other crap. Cause a lot of kids parents smoke, and theyve told these kids there parents are drug addicts. Kinda gives mixed signals, almost reminds me of when i was a kid & they talked about how marijuana was a dangerous drug, right up there with the hard stuff (or close to it).
True, nicotine is a drug, a nasty one & much more dangerous then a lot of drug drugs, at the same time I don't know how wise it is for teachers to be teaching that cigarettes are a drug & classifying it with all that other crap. Cause a lot of kids parents smoke, and theyve told these kids there parents are drug addicts. Kinda gives mixed signals, almost reminds me of when i was a kid & they talked about how marijuana was a dangerous drug, right up there with the hard stuff (or close to it).
I SMOKE, BUT CANT STAND THE TASTE OF COFFEE!!!
LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT IT...........I SETTLE FOR THE RED BULL IN THE A.M.
HAVE A GOON NIGHT.
YOUR FRIEND, CHRISTINA
LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT IT...........I SETTLE FOR THE RED BULL IN THE A.M.
HAVE A GOON NIGHT.
YOUR FRIEND, CHRISTINA
Hmm.... pretty interesting.
One thing that I always did when I was abusing pain meds - I HAD to have my CAFFEINE when I took them. I felt like the caffeine gave them a "boost" to kick in. I guess it was a mind/matter thing - dont know.
One thing that I kind of felt guilty about when I went to A/A meetings was that I DID NOT drink - thats not the point though. The point is that I know that if I wasnt taking 10,000 mg of aceteminophin daily - I would have probably been induldging in at least my couple of glasses of wine a day. I also probably wouldve been hitting a few clubs with friends more often. Seems like going to a club and dancing, having fun, didnt sit well with me without a few dirty martinis in me!!! Just being honest.
One thing that I always did when I was abusing pain meds - I HAD to have my CAFFEINE when I took them. I felt like the caffeine gave them a "boost" to kick in. I guess it was a mind/matter thing - dont know.
One thing that I kind of felt guilty about when I went to A/A meetings was that I DID NOT drink - thats not the point though. The point is that I know that if I wasnt taking 10,000 mg of aceteminophin daily - I would have probably been induldging in at least my couple of glasses of wine a day. I also probably wouldve been hitting a few clubs with friends more often. Seems like going to a club and dancing, having fun, didnt sit well with me without a few dirty martinis in me!!! Just being honest.
My God, Marie.... If you keep reading my thoughts, we're going to morph into the same person!!!
I quit drinking when I was training in my Black Belt for karate in 2000.... I didn't quit completely or because I had a problem; I just decided that I wouldn't drink at work b/c I was working 5-7 nights a week and it was affecting my training.
But when I started abusing pain medicine, I REALLY quit drinking.... My husband and I would go to a wedding or go out to dinner and he would say "Come on, have ONE drink. Loosen up." And I couldn't tell anyone why I wasn't drinking (I didn't want to mix tylenol and alcohol).
I would go out with friends and they're all doing shots & having this crazy time and drinking just didn't seem like fun to me any more.... I would rather take some pain pills and sit back & relax than to drink.
The pills made me talkative, but they also kind of made me anti-social.... It was this big secret with a lot of people (I didn't even tell a lot of girls at work... not that they cared, but they would have been begging for them all & I was greedy with my Norco!) and I wouldn't drink with anyone & all I did was sit around looking at my watch to see when I could take some more....
I, too, felt like I didn't fit in at AA when I said I didn't drink.... To make matters worse, I CAN drink a glass of wine or even go out and down tequila all night (like I did in St Croix) & not want to pick it up again for a year.... so I feel like an outcast at Alcoholic's Anonymous
I quit drinking when I was training in my Black Belt for karate in 2000.... I didn't quit completely or because I had a problem; I just decided that I wouldn't drink at work b/c I was working 5-7 nights a week and it was affecting my training.
But when I started abusing pain medicine, I REALLY quit drinking.... My husband and I would go to a wedding or go out to dinner and he would say "Come on, have ONE drink. Loosen up." And I couldn't tell anyone why I wasn't drinking (I didn't want to mix tylenol and alcohol).
I would go out with friends and they're all doing shots & having this crazy time and drinking just didn't seem like fun to me any more.... I would rather take some pain pills and sit back & relax than to drink.
The pills made me talkative, but they also kind of made me anti-social.... It was this big secret with a lot of people (I didn't even tell a lot of girls at work... not that they cared, but they would have been begging for them all & I was greedy with my Norco!) and I wouldn't drink with anyone & all I did was sit around looking at my watch to see when I could take some more....
I, too, felt like I didn't fit in at AA when I said I didn't drink.... To make matters worse, I CAN drink a glass of wine or even go out and down tequila all night (like I did in St Croix) & not want to pick it up again for a year.... so I feel like an outcast at Alcoholic's Anonymous
Hey Danielle-
Strange - isnt it.OK, answer this one (LOL) - Have you ever had a panic attack because you think you "may" have taken too many pain meds (maybe started having "fake" chest pains or something) and then had to take xanax to "feel OK" again? OMG - I hated this. The main reason I hated it so much was because I felt like I was "wasting" my percs, just to come down again with xanax. Sometimes I really was on a "rollercoaster ride".
Oh, and talk about being greedy with pills!!! I think some of my friends had their calanders marked as to when my drs. appt was because they were ALWAYS asking me if they could "borrow" a few. Finally, I started lying and said my dr. wouldnt prescribe them for me anymore!! How bad is that?? Geesh, even now that I've been taking them for legit reasons and really "need" them - theres one girl that asked me right away after my accident "What did the hospital prescribe for you????" instead of asking "how do you feel?" - OMG - was I like that at one time?? I wonder.
BTW, Danielle, I wish you all the best with the Sub. If push comes to shove, I may be following behind you soon. We'll see!
Love,
Marie
Strange - isnt it.OK, answer this one (LOL) - Have you ever had a panic attack because you think you "may" have taken too many pain meds (maybe started having "fake" chest pains or something) and then had to take xanax to "feel OK" again? OMG - I hated this. The main reason I hated it so much was because I felt like I was "wasting" my percs, just to come down again with xanax. Sometimes I really was on a "rollercoaster ride".
Oh, and talk about being greedy with pills!!! I think some of my friends had their calanders marked as to when my drs. appt was because they were ALWAYS asking me if they could "borrow" a few. Finally, I started lying and said my dr. wouldnt prescribe them for me anymore!! How bad is that?? Geesh, even now that I've been taking them for legit reasons and really "need" them - theres one girl that asked me right away after my accident "What did the hospital prescribe for you????" instead of asking "how do you feel?" - OMG - was I like that at one time?? I wonder.
BTW, Danielle, I wish you all the best with the Sub. If push comes to shove, I may be following behind you soon. We'll see!
Love,
Marie
I smoke about 2-4 cigarettes a day. I have cut down a lot since I am sober, I drink 1cup of coffe a day and I am not a big soda drinker except for Pepsi with pizza.--Jen
I smoke...quit for 14 years and then started again 4 years ago when I went to treatment. Everyone smoked there and it was just too damn hard to not pick it up again. How stupid is that. I so want to quit. I hate the way it smells on my clothes and hair. My older 2 boys smoke, although they won't do it in front of me, but my husband does not.
Coffee and diet coke are my other vices... I don't think anyone could be around me if I didn't have that coffee in the morning.
Of course they are drugs. They are mood altering chemicals. They are just as bad as the narcotics, emotionally and physically. One thing at a time though. We can't do all of it at once, at least I can't. When I'm ready and sick of it, I'll let it go.
Cowgirl
Coffee and diet coke are my other vices... I don't think anyone could be around me if I didn't have that coffee in the morning.
Of course they are drugs. They are mood altering chemicals. They are just as bad as the narcotics, emotionally and physically. One thing at a time though. We can't do all of it at once, at least I can't. When I'm ready and sick of it, I'll let it go.
Cowgirl
MARIE, OH MY GOD AGAIN!!!!!!!!
That would happen to me soooo much.... It got to be where every time I would have a panic attack, my husband would automatically assume it was the pills.
Say I took 4 and I had taken 4 about 3 hours earlier..... as soon as I would swallow them, I might get a thought in my mind like "Are you sure you took the last dose 3 hours ago? Maybe that was yesterday. Today I think you took them last just TWO hours ago."
And then I would start freaking out, having chest pains, getting light headed..... I would try to talk to myself to stay awake because I thought I was going to overdose. I would get so worked up that I'd take a half of xanax..... and, you're right..... when the xanax would kick in, I would get so pissed because it took away the high from the pain pills and I wasted 8 Norco for nothing.
Once you take the xanax, you can't get high from the pain pills for hours (not the high that I like anyway...the speedy high)...... But I would STILL take the Norco, hoping the xanax wore off. And then I'd be pissed even more for wasting another 3 or 4 pills.
My husband says "You take stuff to give you energy and then have a panic attack so you take stuff to calm you down... You end up in the same spot as you would if you didn't take anything at all"
That would happen to me soooo much.... It got to be where every time I would have a panic attack, my husband would automatically assume it was the pills.
Say I took 4 and I had taken 4 about 3 hours earlier..... as soon as I would swallow them, I might get a thought in my mind like "Are you sure you took the last dose 3 hours ago? Maybe that was yesterday. Today I think you took them last just TWO hours ago."
And then I would start freaking out, having chest pains, getting light headed..... I would try to talk to myself to stay awake because I thought I was going to overdose. I would get so worked up that I'd take a half of xanax..... and, you're right..... when the xanax would kick in, I would get so pissed because it took away the high from the pain pills and I wasted 8 Norco for nothing.
Once you take the xanax, you can't get high from the pain pills for hours (not the high that I like anyway...the speedy high)...... But I would STILL take the Norco, hoping the xanax wore off. And then I'd be pissed even more for wasting another 3 or 4 pills.
My husband says "You take stuff to give you energy and then have a panic attack so you take stuff to calm you down... You end up in the same spot as you would if you didn't take anything at all"
Yup, smoke pack a day, drink 3-4 cups of coffee. eat alot of pizza. Wow I think I just heard my left ventrical slam shut..lol
I got to be sooooo greedy with my pills...... I would find myself at work asking everyone "Do you have any pain pills?".... I'd even ask customers.... but as soon as someone would ask me for one, I'd be the first one to say "No, I didn't bring any tonight."
My rationale was always that I didn't mind paying for them..... I didn't want them to GIVE me anything..... but when the situation was reversed, I wouldn't part with them at all. Sometimes girls would see me taking them and then I'd be stuck - I couldn't say I didn't have any, so I'd try to think of a reason to say no.
My friend that died from the pain pills would always tell me he quit.... Towards the end, any time I would ask for any, he would say "I haven't had any in days. I quit." But I could TELL he was on them..... And I couldn't say anything because I wouldn't give him any either..... I wouldn't say I quit, but I'd always say I left them at home or I was out...... Sometimes I'd make up these stories about how my doctor was cutting me off and yada yada yada..... He went to his grave saying "I don't have any..."
And I'm only like that with pain pills..... I would give someone $100 before I would give them a Norco. What in the world did I become???
My rationale was always that I didn't mind paying for them..... I didn't want them to GIVE me anything..... but when the situation was reversed, I wouldn't part with them at all. Sometimes girls would see me taking them and then I'd be stuck - I couldn't say I didn't have any, so I'd try to think of a reason to say no.
My friend that died from the pain pills would always tell me he quit.... Towards the end, any time I would ask for any, he would say "I haven't had any in days. I quit." But I could TELL he was on them..... And I couldn't say anything because I wouldn't give him any either..... I wouldn't say I quit, but I'd always say I left them at home or I was out...... Sometimes I'd make up these stories about how my doctor was cutting me off and yada yada yada..... He went to his grave saying "I don't have any..."
And I'm only like that with pain pills..... I would give someone $100 before I would give them a Norco. What in the world did I become???
Gee, I don't know, Dainelle.. an addict?