Hello, This is all new to me and Im hoping someone can help clear some things for me. My son is 24 and a heroin user and Im not quite sure for how long, but probably longer than I would like to believe. I have been through so much already with throwing him out because he would be so high I couldnt stand to see him this way, but couldnt do it for more than a few days and then he would call crying so he is home now and I decided to put him on suboxone, but he has only been on it for a few days and I watch him put it under his tongue, but he never seems to sit for very long so Im not sure if he is getting it to do what it should because he still looks very high to me . Is there ways around this drug where he can still get high and can he also take adderall with the suboxone and get high ? Im thinking this is what he is doing
Thank you so much
Hey wingirl,
Sorry to hear about your son and I do hope it gets better soon. If he really wants to get clean and sober, suboxone is the way to go! I know drugs like pain pills and other Opiates don't work while on suboxone but I myself have never used heroin so I don't have much knowledge there. I do know you can still get a high off of adderall and Xanax while taking Subs bc I would take them occasionaly while I was on suboxone. I took suboxone for over 7 years and am now 2 months clean off of them and all other drugs. I'm 28 now and I do hope your son realizes the road he's headed down sooner than I did bc I can tell you from experience it's a tough road and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I hope everything works out and wish you all the best of luck! God Bless!
Sorry to hear about your son and I do hope it gets better soon. If he really wants to get clean and sober, suboxone is the way to go! I know drugs like pain pills and other Opiates don't work while on suboxone but I myself have never used heroin so I don't have much knowledge there. I do know you can still get a high off of adderall and Xanax while taking Subs bc I would take them occasionaly while I was on suboxone. I took suboxone for over 7 years and am now 2 months clean off of them and all other drugs. I'm 28 now and I do hope your son realizes the road he's headed down sooner than I did bc I can tell you from experience it's a tough road and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I hope everything works out and wish you all the best of luck! God Bless!
Thank you so much for your reply and Im so happy that you chose the right path. Im really not sure what he is doing at this point, but he is in and out of the bathroom all the time with the water running and always looks high to me. Im not sure if he is taking the suboxone the correct way and if its working or not. I guess time will tell. I do question him about still doing drugs, but he starts crying and gets very sesative which Im not sure is a clear sign either? Thank you for your reply again and god be with anyone that is going through this.
Hello, Read the other posts here. You know your son is using drugs and you know that is what the bathroom, running water is, among other signs that you listed. You might be scared to stand up to it, but the reality is that you are not dealing with your son. the drugs have taken over. You look at him and you do not see your son. You see a picture of the drugs. It is the drugs talking. You have to fight the heroin.
It is very difficult for your son at this stage. I saw it in both of my kids. They can not withdrawal on their own. They think they can. and they can after they have done it a few times. but at first they can not. it is too hard, too scary, etc. you dont know exactly what drugs they are taking and how much. Unless you want to play doctor, it is best to leave this to the detoxing professionals. When they feel the first symptoms of withdrawal they dont want to feel the discomfort and use again. They may desperately want to be out of the drug life, but they can not do it. This is when they become suicidal, or deperate for money and steal things to sell to by drugs. (this is what I think from observing., I am not an addict, so I dont really know)
My husband and I were afraid of what our kids might do if we were too strict or mean. We found out that when we said NO, the kid said OK. HA, it was not as hard as we thought!
Go to Nar-Anon. Get your son to rehab, and NA. Stop giving him money. Dont let him drive the cars.
Read the post - What Not To Do.
Start telling him he has a choice, be clean or leave. If he wants to stay and be clean, he can go to these places for help.... tell him what rehab, detox, NA is available.
I agree with Papa Bear.... Rehab and detox are cleaning the slate, getting you ready for NA, out patient program, etc. It takes time to reverse the habits
It is very difficult for your son at this stage. I saw it in both of my kids. They can not withdrawal on their own. They think they can. and they can after they have done it a few times. but at first they can not. it is too hard, too scary, etc. you dont know exactly what drugs they are taking and how much. Unless you want to play doctor, it is best to leave this to the detoxing professionals. When they feel the first symptoms of withdrawal they dont want to feel the discomfort and use again. They may desperately want to be out of the drug life, but they can not do it. This is when they become suicidal, or deperate for money and steal things to sell to by drugs. (this is what I think from observing., I am not an addict, so I dont really know)
My husband and I were afraid of what our kids might do if we were too strict or mean. We found out that when we said NO, the kid said OK. HA, it was not as hard as we thought!
Go to Nar-Anon. Get your son to rehab, and NA. Stop giving him money. Dont let him drive the cars.
Read the post - What Not To Do.
Start telling him he has a choice, be clean or leave. If he wants to stay and be clean, he can go to these places for help.... tell him what rehab, detox, NA is available.
I agree with Papa Bear.... Rehab and detox are cleaning the slate, getting you ready for NA, out patient program, etc. It takes time to reverse the habits
Unfortunately, I am familiar with heroin and Suboxone. My 21 yo daughter's drug of choice is heroin. When we first found out, she went to an addiction psychiatrist who prescribed Suboxone and sent her back to college. She was on Suboxone for about 2 1/2 years. But she continued to use heroin and to take Adderall (also prescribed). In fact, fast forward to this past February, she was taking Subs but she graduated from snorting H to shooting it up. I thought Subs blocked the heroin receptors. Apparently not.
Don't delude yourself as to what is going on in your house. The water? The constant bathroom trips? He SEEMS high? Trust what your 5 senses tell you, not what's coming out of his mouth. He IS high!!! I know from experience how crafty, manipulative and creative heroin users are. My daughter said she was using heroin only recreactionally, until all my jewelry was missing and she punched out of college. To hear her tell, she has had the worst bad luck, too -- having her purse stolen, losing her bus pass, having her roommates throw our her food, etc.-- all which required money from me.
I agree wholeheartedly with NY's advice. I just wanted to add my two cents. The best advice I can give you is to learn the power of saying "No" and detachment. Make your rules AND stick with them. . .no matter what!!!! Do not give cash money. Reclaim the sanctity of your home. Go to meetings. And pray. . .for your strength, patience, peace and comfort. Heroin is a horrible horrible drug. And loving a heroin addict child (without enabling or getting sucked into their madness) is more than challenging.
Praying for you,
Lynn
Don't delude yourself as to what is going on in your house. The water? The constant bathroom trips? He SEEMS high? Trust what your 5 senses tell you, not what's coming out of his mouth. He IS high!!! I know from experience how crafty, manipulative and creative heroin users are. My daughter said she was using heroin only recreactionally, until all my jewelry was missing and she punched out of college. To hear her tell, she has had the worst bad luck, too -- having her purse stolen, losing her bus pass, having her roommates throw our her food, etc.-- all which required money from me.
I agree wholeheartedly with NY's advice. I just wanted to add my two cents. The best advice I can give you is to learn the power of saying "No" and detachment. Make your rules AND stick with them. . .no matter what!!!! Do not give cash money. Reclaim the sanctity of your home. Go to meetings. And pray. . .for your strength, patience, peace and comfort. Heroin is a horrible horrible drug. And loving a heroin addict child (without enabling or getting sucked into their madness) is more than challenging.
Praying for you,
Lynn
We can "cry and get sensitive" when asked about our drug use for many different reasons BUT one biggie: Because we KNOW it will make YOU uncomfortable, upset and feel sorry for US. Thus deterring you from further questioning or bringing it up again...
The best defence is a good offence .
