Hi all
I have lots of question on my mind and have to work things out quickly
I have a chronic pain condition and a history of addiction to painpills. My Addiction Dr, Pain managemnet Dr, addictions nurse and addctions coucelor have had a meeting discussing me and think it would be in my best interest for me to go on Subutex indefinately. They reason it will tackle my pain issues stop my relapsing into opiate abuse. There will be conditions namely I will have to agre to have regular urine samples, pick up my meds daily and they think it would be helpful if I take anta buse to exclude alcohol abuse. It seems to me like restraining me chemicaly but a lst I will be able to work and function in life will minimal side effects to my body. I know this will horrify fundmantal AA thinkers but they suggest exploring some sort of recovery program as well. I cannot live with this pain any longer and really have tried every other non narcotic med and alternative therapies, except hypnosis but I do not want to go there. Does this exclude me from the board...I do need help right now
Paul
I am starting the Sob. treatment tom.
I will let you know step by step how it is working for me.
Marina ~
I will let you know step by step how it is working for me.
Marina ~
Hey Paul, congradulations on all the positive steps you're taking! I'm impressed. Only you know your own body, Paul. You know what you can tolerate and what you can't. I don't know of any rule that says an addict has to suffer something unbearable. You've tried your very best, it sounds like to me. And also, you've chosen a route that will not give you any kind of "high", so that shows how serious you are. I think this experience will give you much insight and understanding towards others who come here with similar problems. We are all just people with a disease, but some of us have different other circumstances than others. For me, it would be wrong. I'm capable of living a decent existance without any substances. It really sounds like to me you made the best possible decision and also did so with professional advice. Good for you! Post and let us know how you come along. Much love, Kat
Paul,
Of course it does not exclude you from the board. You'll still be in sobriety. I'm glad they found an alternative to treat both your addiction as well as your pain issues. Best of luck to you..........Briar
Of course it does not exclude you from the board. You'll still be in sobriety. I'm glad they found an alternative to treat both your addiction as well as your pain issues. Best of luck to you..........Briar
Thanks you guys for responding with encouragement to my post. I was begining to think I was being ignored and began thinking that my time here was done.
God Bless
Paul
God Bless
Paul
Go for it! And good luck -- M.
Hi All
I would like to add an update to my progress. I have been clean from alcohol for a while now and am really feeling the benefits of that...in fact I feel terrific. I was very lucky I went from drinking 4 botles of wine or 20 pints of beer a day to nothing with absolutely no withdrawals or cravings...thankyou God. I think the fact that I am a nurse and my Dr gave me the ultimatum that I either stop or he would report me helped. Sometimes a tough appproach is the only way.
I also have bad pain problems and last week I dabbled with small amounts of opiates....I know that was stupid but many of us relapse. What I did was imediatley contacted a councelor, my pain Dr and adiction Dr and they have unnamimously decided the best thing for me to do would be to go on Subutex long term. I have decided to go along with this and start on Monday. I have been assured by all concerned that after a few weeks initiation onto the drug I will be able to resume work. They also said if I don't go on Sub then they would have to concider me seeking employment in another department in a place where I will not have to administer drugs. The beauty of Sub is that when on it I am relatively pain free have a clear head and it has the added bonus of blocking futher opiate intake.
The "experts" would also have liked for me to take Antabuse, which make you very sick if you take alcohol however this is too problematic because I use a lot of alcohol based wipes and hand lotions
and have ben told that if I touch these lotions ect...then I will have a dangerous reaction.
Hope I can be accepted as being in recovery despite being on Subutex.
Medical people whom I have come into contact with have said to me it is time to be a patient and that i must stop thinking I know best and let them treat me or I will die. Now that shocked me and as I said before its time to listen....I give in...I surrender.
Peace to you all
Paul
I would like to add an update to my progress. I have been clean from alcohol for a while now and am really feeling the benefits of that...in fact I feel terrific. I was very lucky I went from drinking 4 botles of wine or 20 pints of beer a day to nothing with absolutely no withdrawals or cravings...thankyou God. I think the fact that I am a nurse and my Dr gave me the ultimatum that I either stop or he would report me helped. Sometimes a tough appproach is the only way.
I also have bad pain problems and last week I dabbled with small amounts of opiates....I know that was stupid but many of us relapse. What I did was imediatley contacted a councelor, my pain Dr and adiction Dr and they have unnamimously decided the best thing for me to do would be to go on Subutex long term. I have decided to go along with this and start on Monday. I have been assured by all concerned that after a few weeks initiation onto the drug I will be able to resume work. They also said if I don't go on Sub then they would have to concider me seeking employment in another department in a place where I will not have to administer drugs. The beauty of Sub is that when on it I am relatively pain free have a clear head and it has the added bonus of blocking futher opiate intake.
The "experts" would also have liked for me to take Antabuse, which make you very sick if you take alcohol however this is too problematic because I use a lot of alcohol based wipes and hand lotions
and have ben told that if I touch these lotions ect...then I will have a dangerous reaction.
Hope I can be accepted as being in recovery despite being on Subutex.
Medical people whom I have come into contact with have said to me it is time to be a patient and that i must stop thinking I know best and let them treat me or I will die. Now that shocked me and as I said before its time to listen....I give in...I surrender.
Peace to you all
Paul
Paul..from reading your post..it sounds to me like the best thing for you to do is to move to another department where you don't have to admin. meds. Why would you want that temptation and mind F****? If you do it at your own request, I think that your employers would be very respectful of your recovery and it would do so much for your self esteem and resolution.
Yes, you very much belong on this board. You are in recovery, you're not clean, but you are in recovery and that's what this board is all about. If you continue to bring honesty to the table, you will help so many. Lies get us no where and really... why do we feel the need to be someone else on the net? No one knows us and we would only be doing a dis-service to oursleves by not being honest about everything. I learned how to get honest on this board. I was lyng about everything in my life until that first day that I posted. It was so freeing to be able to write down everything that was true. I hated myself for quite awhile afterwards..had no idea that I had been doing life so badly...
Do you plan to get back into NA/AA? We can't do this alone and the Sub. won't solve all of your problems. Need to work from the inside out now.
Hope you have a good weekend.
Cowgirl
Yes, you very much belong on this board. You are in recovery, you're not clean, but you are in recovery and that's what this board is all about. If you continue to bring honesty to the table, you will help so many. Lies get us no where and really... why do we feel the need to be someone else on the net? No one knows us and we would only be doing a dis-service to oursleves by not being honest about everything. I learned how to get honest on this board. I was lyng about everything in my life until that first day that I posted. It was so freeing to be able to write down everything that was true. I hated myself for quite awhile afterwards..had no idea that I had been doing life so badly...
Do you plan to get back into NA/AA? We can't do this alone and the Sub. won't solve all of your problems. Need to work from the inside out now.
Hope you have a good weekend.
Cowgirl
Thanks Cowgirl
I hope you and everyone else notices a difference in me. I know however that the most important person to be honest with is myself. I am fed up with the misdirections I have led myself into. I am so happy to be off the booze its amazing what a depresant it is and leads to a vicious cycle of mood swings and madness. I last took a drink last Sunday. I am sober yay!
Will I be concidered clean on prescribed Sub? I dont know the answer but being accused of being dirty because I take pain control for honest reasons woud be hard for me to handle. The process of deciding whether or not to go on it again has been a long one.I had the choice to have a monthly prescription or to pick up daily, I opted for the latter, dont trust myself enough. Anyway i start Monday.
I am working very hard on the inside, renewing spiritual freindships, having counceling and have made myself accountable to a few "sponsers".
I would truly love to find an AA group but the ones I have found localy just are not good for me. I honestly have tried.....maybe I will have to keep trying.
Thats me folks laying myself bare. Thanks for accepting me
love and peace
Paul
I hope you and everyone else notices a difference in me. I know however that the most important person to be honest with is myself. I am fed up with the misdirections I have led myself into. I am so happy to be off the booze its amazing what a depresant it is and leads to a vicious cycle of mood swings and madness. I last took a drink last Sunday. I am sober yay!
Will I be concidered clean on prescribed Sub? I dont know the answer but being accused of being dirty because I take pain control for honest reasons woud be hard for me to handle. The process of deciding whether or not to go on it again has been a long one.I had the choice to have a monthly prescription or to pick up daily, I opted for the latter, dont trust myself enough. Anyway i start Monday.
I am working very hard on the inside, renewing spiritual freindships, having counceling and have made myself accountable to a few "sponsers".
I would truly love to find an AA group but the ones I have found localy just are not good for me. I honestly have tried.....maybe I will have to keep trying.
Thats me folks laying myself bare. Thanks for accepting me
love and peace
Paul
Is sub used for chronic pain control? I hadn't heard that before, but I had heard it w/respect to meth.
If you're taking sub or meth as prescribed and as part of a recovery program, you're clean in my book, and don't let anyone tell you different. M.
If you're taking sub or meth as prescribed and as part of a recovery program, you're clean in my book, and don't let anyone tell you different. M.
Paul,
I just wanted to wish you the best of luck on the route you have taken to Recovery. I'm sorry I did not respond sooner, but don't really post alot on this board anymore. I was so pleased when I read your posts. And I certainly feel that you are a major part of this board, and you would be sorely missed if you left. We have had our ups and down's but in all honesty I respect you for your intelligence and sticking up for your beliefs. Your love for God impresses me even more, he can work miracles and will if we allow him into our hearts.
Again best wishes and God bless you,
I just wanted to wish you the best of luck on the route you have taken to Recovery. I'm sorry I did not respond sooner, but don't really post alot on this board anymore. I was so pleased when I read your posts. And I certainly feel that you are a major part of this board, and you would be sorely missed if you left. We have had our ups and down's but in all honesty I respect you for your intelligence and sticking up for your beliefs. Your love for God impresses me even more, he can work miracles and will if we allow him into our hearts.
Again best wishes and God bless you,
Thanks Sharon
That means a lot to me. Lets pray for more ups than downs
Paul
That means a lot to me. Lets pray for more ups than downs
Paul
M
Buprenophine (sub) is used a lot in pain relief, it is handy for angina sufferers because it is taken sublingualy and gives quick relief and is fairly long lasting, it often goes under the name Temgesic if you are interested try typing it in google. Thanks for your positive comment
Paul
Buprenophine (sub) is used a lot in pain relief, it is handy for angina sufferers because it is taken sublingualy and gives quick relief and is fairly long lasting, it often goes under the name Temgesic if you are interested try typing it in google. Thanks for your positive comment
Paul
Hi,
I was just reading this thread, and although I don't know too much about sub.,
methadone etc.. I agree with M on this one. If someone is Honestly taking this medecine or any for that matter while in recovery for pain, then that person is clean in my book as well. There are cases where a non-narcotic will not work. So for example, if I take 1 percocet for my kidney stones to ease the pain thats not a relapse, if I say f--k it and say I need 5 thats a relapse. It's a touchy subject, but there are exceptions. If I take a urine test after taking 1 pill
sure it'll show up but does that mean I used? If I say I have pain and don't, and take 1 then yes, I'd say so because it was just to take it. It boils down to, it's myself I have to live with, I don't need someone else to tell me I'm clean or not.
I know right from wrong, if I should ever do the wrong thing I'm the one that has to live with it. So, Paul, if your intentions are pure and you've honestly tried other alternatives to no avail, then with a doctors help and assistance in my opinion, thats not using and your "clean" meaning, not using for ulterior motives. Good luck to you, it's your opinion and only yours that matters when it comes to yourself, being a man with as much faith in God as you seem to have
it's on you. If you have to keep justifying it to yourself, it's then I'd think twice.
Take care...................................God bless.....................................Bob
I was just reading this thread, and although I don't know too much about sub.,
methadone etc.. I agree with M on this one. If someone is Honestly taking this medecine or any for that matter while in recovery for pain, then that person is clean in my book as well. There are cases where a non-narcotic will not work. So for example, if I take 1 percocet for my kidney stones to ease the pain thats not a relapse, if I say f--k it and say I need 5 thats a relapse. It's a touchy subject, but there are exceptions. If I take a urine test after taking 1 pill
sure it'll show up but does that mean I used? If I say I have pain and don't, and take 1 then yes, I'd say so because it was just to take it. It boils down to, it's myself I have to live with, I don't need someone else to tell me I'm clean or not.
I know right from wrong, if I should ever do the wrong thing I'm the one that has to live with it. So, Paul, if your intentions are pure and you've honestly tried other alternatives to no avail, then with a doctors help and assistance in my opinion, thats not using and your "clean" meaning, not using for ulterior motives. Good luck to you, it's your opinion and only yours that matters when it comes to yourself, being a man with as much faith in God as you seem to have
it's on you. If you have to keep justifying it to yourself, it's then I'd think twice.
Take care...................................God bless.....................................Bob
Congrats on the time away from beer..I have my first honest time away from beer..I haven't counted the days lately, but my date is aug 4..
Good luck to you with the sub...they gave me that in treatment, and man, did it help.
I am glad to see you posting, you were one of the posters that I read before...
kerry
Good luck to you with the sub...they gave me that in treatment, and man, did it help.
I am glad to see you posting, you were one of the posters that I read before...
kerry
