Day 3 of my partner on the subbies. Day 1 was hard for him as he started on 4mg. The day after he was seeing his doctor and he put him on 8mg. Its now day 3 and things are really starting to get hard. The depression is kicking in big time. He is fed up of everything and everyone. He is getting bad pains in his stomach, has been sick a few times, aches all over and banging head aches. Is this normal???? Its like the tablets last for a few hours and then the cold turkey withdrawles kick in and things are really difficult for him.
I would love to hear info from anyone because he also doesnt know a great deal on subbies and his doctor knows jack sh*t about them, infact my partner is the first person to be given a supervised prescription.
I feel really bad for him cos I am going out tonight into town with the girls to celebrate my birthday and I feel I shouldnt really leave him but they aint much that I can do really is there and I have asked him and he said he would rather me go out and give him some time to himself.
Well your thoughts and opinions would be much appreciated.
Many thanks...Lyndsay xx
Alright..Lynds..ive never been on the subs..just a l/t meth script..but maybe post on the subs forum coz theres a lot of good folks on there with a lot of experiance of using this type of medication..hope you get some feedback there.
Take care....Davey
Take care....Davey
..Alright Bunny..
..I dunno if it affects everyone the same when ya start a sub script ?..but maybe he needs to up his dose on em (with his doctors knowledge of course)..how much brown was he using before he went on subs ?..they say 2ml of sub is equivelent to 10ml of meth ?..so he'll be on the equivelent of 40 ml of meth on 8ml..if his tolerence level was high regarding brown (say 30-40 worth a day) then he'll prob need to up his dose..difficult though if his doctor don't know much about subs ?..has he got a drug key worker ?..he should have a chat with him/her if he has..it takes a few days for the body to adjust to the subs aswell..i got little withdrawals kinda when i first started on them back in the day until they stabilised my dosage..hope he manages to sort his dosage out and stay clean..cos its kinda easy to relapse when ya feeling like he is ?..you take care aswell..Robbie..
..I dunno if it affects everyone the same when ya start a sub script ?..but maybe he needs to up his dose on em (with his doctors knowledge of course)..how much brown was he using before he went on subs ?..they say 2ml of sub is equivelent to 10ml of meth ?..so he'll be on the equivelent of 40 ml of meth on 8ml..if his tolerence level was high regarding brown (say 30-40 worth a day) then he'll prob need to up his dose..difficult though if his doctor don't know much about subs ?..has he got a drug key worker ?..he should have a chat with him/her if he has..it takes a few days for the body to adjust to the subs aswell..i got little withdrawals kinda when i first started on them back in the day until they stabilised my dosage..hope he manages to sort his dosage out and stay clean..cos its kinda easy to relapse when ya feeling like he is ?..you take care aswell..Robbie..
Hey thanks Robbie,
He spoke to his doctor today and his drugs worker and they agreed he needs to up his dose. I think he was smoking about thirty pounds a day?? He is now on 12mg..well as of tomorrow.
I have never seen him in the state he has been in. He hasnt hardly ate or drank, has been hung over the toilet a few times, lying around and just constantly moaning and groaning about pains and aches. Today was bad but we went out for a while so his mind was occupied and he did feel a litle bit better.
I really feel for him cos I can imagine it must be so hard for him. Only thing I am also worried about is his doctor wont prescribe him sleeping tablets and he wont take his antidepressants that his doctor has gave him as he doesnt want to be stuck on them too. I think if he had of took them dam tablets month ago we wouldnt be having this problem now. Fancy that eh? He didnt take them cos he didnt want to get addicted even though he got so stressed he took heroin and now is stuck on that!
Anyway screaming child climbing on me, and my team are on tv talking bout our new manager and Owen got injured again so gonna get off and see whats happening! God aint footy great??
See ya. Take care Robbie xx
He spoke to his doctor today and his drugs worker and they agreed he needs to up his dose. I think he was smoking about thirty pounds a day?? He is now on 12mg..well as of tomorrow.
I have never seen him in the state he has been in. He hasnt hardly ate or drank, has been hung over the toilet a few times, lying around and just constantly moaning and groaning about pains and aches. Today was bad but we went out for a while so his mind was occupied and he did feel a litle bit better.
I really feel for him cos I can imagine it must be so hard for him. Only thing I am also worried about is his doctor wont prescribe him sleeping tablets and he wont take his antidepressants that his doctor has gave him as he doesnt want to be stuck on them too. I think if he had of took them dam tablets month ago we wouldnt be having this problem now. Fancy that eh? He didnt take them cos he didnt want to get addicted even though he got so stressed he took heroin and now is stuck on that!
Anyway screaming child climbing on me, and my team are on tv talking bout our new manager and Owen got injured again so gonna get off and see whats happening! God aint footy great??
See ya. Take care Robbie xx
..Alrite Bunny..
..Thats cool that they're upping his dose..he'll be a new man by friday..he mite still get a couple of hot flushes and clammy sweats for a couple of days..but nuffin at all like ya said above..that extra 4ml will deff make a lotta difference..i reckon 12ml will stabilise him just nice..good luck to both of yas..hope it all goes well..football ? nuffin like it..oway the lads ; )..Robbie..
..ps..Hope ya gonna be a blue for an hour n arf on saturday ?..
..Thats cool that they're upping his dose..he'll be a new man by friday..he mite still get a couple of hot flushes and clammy sweats for a couple of days..but nuffin at all like ya said above..that extra 4ml will deff make a lotta difference..i reckon 12ml will stabilise him just nice..good luck to both of yas..hope it all goes well..football ? nuffin like it..oway the lads ; )..Robbie..
..ps..Hope ya gonna be a blue for an hour n arf on saturday ?..
Robbie,
Blue as in Chelsea??? Errrm suppose I could be for just an hour and a half! lol
My team need all the support they got at the minute, they not so good. They definately not gonna get anywhere this season and maybe not next. Certainly no european footy and thats were we do best. Was laughing when ya put oway the lads...lol.
He been ok this afternoon and he doesnt start 12 mg till tomorrow. He been to work this afternoon and said when his mind occupied he is kind of ok. He still getting pains in his belly but nothing to major.
I just cant wait for all the cr*p to end!! Its been a long never ending nightmare. Least I got the best birthday present ever...his first day clean!! He aint doing all that bad, this is his 5th day. Longest he has gone since he started on the gear 4 month ago.
Anyway off to bed. Thanks again for your message.
Take care...Lynds xx
Blue as in Chelsea??? Errrm suppose I could be for just an hour and a half! lol
My team need all the support they got at the minute, they not so good. They definately not gonna get anywhere this season and maybe not next. Certainly no european footy and thats were we do best. Was laughing when ya put oway the lads...lol.
He been ok this afternoon and he doesnt start 12 mg till tomorrow. He been to work this afternoon and said when his mind occupied he is kind of ok. He still getting pains in his belly but nothing to major.
I just cant wait for all the cr*p to end!! Its been a long never ending nightmare. Least I got the best birthday present ever...his first day clean!! He aint doing all that bad, this is his 5th day. Longest he has gone since he started on the gear 4 month ago.
Anyway off to bed. Thanks again for your message.
Take care...Lynds xx
Hi there Lynds. Keeping busy is the best strategy if you ask me. Subbies do take a while to build up in your system but they have a much longer half-life than methadone. When he's been on the correct dose for 3 days he won't feel any withdrawals, unless of course he uses heroin. Subbies will knock him straight into withdrawals.
He should be feeling OK by now. When I went onto subs, I started at 4mg, and went up to 16mgs over 3 days. I was fine by day 3. Day 4 and I was sleeping again. If he's not responding, then he's either on too low a dose (unlikely given he was only doing 3 bags a day) or he's using heroin as well. Heroin and subbies don't mix. If you use heroin whilst you've got subs in your system, you're sick as a dog. If you take subs whilst you've got heroin in your system, you go into withdrawals. Subs only work if you take them alone, with no other opiate of any description. Cheating is counter productive.
hope everything is OK
love
Diff xx
He should be feeling OK by now. When I went onto subs, I started at 4mg, and went up to 16mgs over 3 days. I was fine by day 3. Day 4 and I was sleeping again. If he's not responding, then he's either on too low a dose (unlikely given he was only doing 3 bags a day) or he's using heroin as well. Heroin and subbies don't mix. If you use heroin whilst you've got subs in your system, you're sick as a dog. If you take subs whilst you've got heroin in your system, you go into withdrawals. Subs only work if you take them alone, with no other opiate of any description. Cheating is counter productive.
hope everything is OK
love
Diff xx
Hey Diff,
Thanks for that. He did actually have a smoke yesterday. He says only yesterday because he couldnt cope with the syptoms he was getting. Truth is I dont trust him whatsoever. Things have got to change because his time is up and I have to show him that I cant and wont take this no more.
He says he is going to get his meds again tomorrow but he doesnt realise that they will do tests and if them tests show that he has still been using then he wont be getting any help again and if truth be known the subbies are his only hope.
Thanks again for everyones comments xx
Thanks for that. He did actually have a smoke yesterday. He says only yesterday because he couldnt cope with the syptoms he was getting. Truth is I dont trust him whatsoever. Things have got to change because his time is up and I have to show him that I cant and wont take this no more.
He says he is going to get his meds again tomorrow but he doesnt realise that they will do tests and if them tests show that he has still been using then he wont be getting any help again and if truth be known the subbies are his only hope.
Thanks again for everyones comments xx
..Bunny..
..Cor mate wot a difference a day makes ?..ya sounded like things were gonna start to be ok yesterday..then today i read ya last couple of posts on ere..soz to read that..but ya gotta think of ya daughter and yaself right now ?..maybe sum time apart may bring him around to wot he's doing to his family by continuing to use..tis not nice to read people splitting over drugs..take care of yaselfs..Robbie..
..ps..Toon army will be ok by the start of next season..its my g/f i feel sorry for..she's a leeds fan : o ( i do try so hard not to take the piss outta her haha!! )
..Cor mate wot a difference a day makes ?..ya sounded like things were gonna start to be ok yesterday..then today i read ya last couple of posts on ere..soz to read that..but ya gotta think of ya daughter and yaself right now ?..maybe sum time apart may bring him around to wot he's doing to his family by continuing to use..tis not nice to read people splitting over drugs..take care of yaselfs..Robbie..
..ps..Toon army will be ok by the start of next season..its my g/f i feel sorry for..she's a leeds fan : o ( i do try so hard not to take the piss outta her haha!! )
What a difference a day makes...you got that right Robbie. He only went and kicked off with me again. Its not just the drugs why we splitting though. Its his temper too. I cant handle his sh*t anymore. Am sick off putting myself through it. Like I have been told before....you choose the path you take. If I am allowing him to do this and doing nothing about it then its my fault cos I am choosing to accept it. I got to do something about it.
As for footy...Toon Army errrrrmmm probs never gonna do so good. They need major money for some decent players. Martins was good for some time but he aint done owt for a while now.
Your girlfriends a Leeds fan?? How did that happen?? lol. Could be worse...my Dads a mackum....yip a Scumderland fan. lol
Most of my family of Newcastle fans. My partner doesnt like footy. I suppose I am the bloke in this relationship. I watch footy, go out on the drink, go to the matches etc. He dont drink, hates footy so he stays in and watches the baby. Suppose I aint got it that bad eh?
Anyway you take care matey.....Lynds
As for footy...Toon Army errrrrmmm probs never gonna do so good. They need major money for some decent players. Martins was good for some time but he aint done owt for a while now.
Your girlfriends a Leeds fan?? How did that happen?? lol. Could be worse...my Dads a mackum....yip a Scumderland fan. lol
Most of my family of Newcastle fans. My partner doesnt like footy. I suppose I am the bloke in this relationship. I watch footy, go out on the drink, go to the matches etc. He dont drink, hates footy so he stays in and watches the baby. Suppose I aint got it that bad eh?
Anyway you take care matey.....Lynds
..Lynds..
..Ahhhh ok i hear wot ya saying regarding ya relationship..sumtimes they're never easy with or without drugs playing a part in em..ya sound like ya clued up thou on wot ya wanna do from now on..ya got sum good advice/support off the good people on ere..helps ya get thru the days while your at home ya know..sounds like you wear the trousers thou haha!! (lil joke ; ) ..
my g/f's from leeds..i reckon they'll be back in the prem within 5yrs meself ?..i think sam will do a good job for ya's up there..if he gets the money n that..he's a shrewed manager when it comes to gettin good players in..i forgot about sunderland coming up..nuffin like a bit of rivalry in the family : D..i got arsenal on my ex's side-my son's uncle n that..good to have a bitta banter wen they're playing each other..ya got good players already there aswell still (duff..parker..martins..owen..given etc etc) they just need to start performing week in week out if they stay free from injury..that cost ya last season having half ya team out injured ?..oh well see wot happens as the new season gets nearer..whos comin in whos goin out ?..lol see wot happens once ya get me started on footy..i dont stop : )-( i love my footy )..well im off to do sum philly on toast so i catcha another time lynds..stay strong ; ) ..Robbie..
..Ahhhh ok i hear wot ya saying regarding ya relationship..sumtimes they're never easy with or without drugs playing a part in em..ya sound like ya clued up thou on wot ya wanna do from now on..ya got sum good advice/support off the good people on ere..helps ya get thru the days while your at home ya know..sounds like you wear the trousers thou haha!! (lil joke ; ) ..
my g/f's from leeds..i reckon they'll be back in the prem within 5yrs meself ?..i think sam will do a good job for ya's up there..if he gets the money n that..he's a shrewed manager when it comes to gettin good players in..i forgot about sunderland coming up..nuffin like a bit of rivalry in the family : D..i got arsenal on my ex's side-my son's uncle n that..good to have a bitta banter wen they're playing each other..ya got good players already there aswell still (duff..parker..martins..owen..given etc etc) they just need to start performing week in week out if they stay free from injury..that cost ya last season having half ya team out injured ?..oh well see wot happens as the new season gets nearer..whos comin in whos goin out ?..lol see wot happens once ya get me started on footy..i dont stop : )-( i love my footy )..well im off to do sum philly on toast so i catcha another time lynds..stay strong ; ) ..Robbie..
Robbie,
Its great with my Dad being a dirty mackum, We have a good laugh about it. I bought my 2 younger brothers Newcastle strips but he wont let them put them on. He was watching my little one, one day and he put his Sudnerland cap on and a Sunderland cup in her hand and took a pic and emailed to me after he dropped her back off with me. I went mental with him. lol
Yeh there are still some good players but I think its the players thats the problem, not the manager. How many more managers are going to come and go before they realise this? As for Given...well he is just....well my dream bloke. lol No no joking aside I think if it werent for him we would of been relegated. He saves some crackers and he's fit...lol.
Onto my partner....we havent really spoe much tonight. I hate him and told him so. He said he will leave if thats what I want but I suppose I keep thinking 'what if'. I suppose I do believe in happy endings and I do believe he can get through this and he wants to. I aint pushing him but its such a let down when I finally thought things were getting better. I should no better myself than to build my hopes up! Never mind. Will just see what happens. I know I aint happy at present with him but then again I am happy living with him as long as he stays out my way. I do my own thing and he does his.
Only time will tell. Dont think I really know what I am going to do. I know what I should do and its not that I cant do it, I think deep down its not what I want and who am I to moan if I choose to accept this and allow him to treat me this way?
Thanks...Lynds xxxx
Its great with my Dad being a dirty mackum, We have a good laugh about it. I bought my 2 younger brothers Newcastle strips but he wont let them put them on. He was watching my little one, one day and he put his Sudnerland cap on and a Sunderland cup in her hand and took a pic and emailed to me after he dropped her back off with me. I went mental with him. lol
Yeh there are still some good players but I think its the players thats the problem, not the manager. How many more managers are going to come and go before they realise this? As for Given...well he is just....well my dream bloke. lol No no joking aside I think if it werent for him we would of been relegated. He saves some crackers and he's fit...lol.
Onto my partner....we havent really spoe much tonight. I hate him and told him so. He said he will leave if thats what I want but I suppose I keep thinking 'what if'. I suppose I do believe in happy endings and I do believe he can get through this and he wants to. I aint pushing him but its such a let down when I finally thought things were getting better. I should no better myself than to build my hopes up! Never mind. Will just see what happens. I know I aint happy at present with him but then again I am happy living with him as long as he stays out my way. I do my own thing and he does his.
Only time will tell. Dont think I really know what I am going to do. I know what I should do and its not that I cant do it, I think deep down its not what I want and who am I to moan if I choose to accept this and allow him to treat me this way?
Thanks...Lynds xxxx
