I'm starting to hate myself.. I can't seem to get of this carousel to save my life. My script is for 2 8mg a day.. for 30 days. Every month I end up taking 2 in the morning and 1 1/2 at night.. then I run out and start skipping days and ultimately end up withdrawing for 3 days.. You would think this hell would deter me.. but like a good addict I take the bait every time. I've gone from doctor to doctor because I ultimately piss them off so much for coming in early.. I just go somewhere else. Why can't I stop this.. Sometimes I think I should shoot myself in the head.. because I've tried everything.. But I have 2 dogs that keep me living.. I have a good job.. a decent life.. but I'm a complete slave to this medicine.. I have one more day before the DR. I feel like absolute crap. The worst is waking up and not being able to move but your legs hurt so much.. its the worst way to wake up.. or laying in a scalding hot tub trying to sleep but you just lay there and feel the tears run out of your eyes.. I want to quit this.. I just don't even know if its possible.. Do you know what its like to search your house for a sub you may have hidden years ago every month.. Or have to explain to the girls you date that you go through this every month because your a massive addict.. Ive been on this stuff for atliest 5 years now.. High High doses.. I dont know what to do.. If you have any experiance with this I would love to hear your solution or struggle.. Please dont tell me any of the usual stuff. Ive heard it all.. Ive tried it all.. and unless you have some major insight or testimony I'm still going to end up at the Dr. at 8am on Tue... But this is a cry for help from someone who would accept some help..
Well, I quit subs 47 days ago. It sucked. Did a lot of research on what helps. My friend quit subs 30 days ago. He was on that s*** since it came out. He thought he was gonna take it forever. I can't speak for him. But it's not impossible like the med makes you think. Have someone give them to you at certain times of the day. I know exactly what you mean tho. How the f*** do they expect an addict to have self control of a drug that makes you functional and feel good. Just know it's possible. When you want to be free from subs as bad as you want to breathe, then you'll succeed. It's rough, but possible.
keep reading the posts on how to., keep trying, change the dose so you take less every week or two. set yourself up so you have other meds to use. really read a lot so you have a good plan.
if it does not work out, keep trying, someday it will. do not give up.
you are going to feel s**tty for a few weeks - save up time off work to use.
I think it takes months to get on the other side from feeling bad to feeling better. Prepare for it to be slow.
do all healthy things and some of it will stick - water, fruit and veg, vitamins, exercise. a little is better than none...
support - NA or whatever works - change all of your current habits. recognize your patterm=ns and triggers, prepare for them.
come back and let us know how you do.
if it does not work out, keep trying, someday it will. do not give up.
you are going to feel s**tty for a few weeks - save up time off work to use.
I think it takes months to get on the other side from feeling bad to feeling better. Prepare for it to be slow.
do all healthy things and some of it will stick - water, fruit and veg, vitamins, exercise. a little is better than none...
support - NA or whatever works - change all of your current habits. recognize your patterm=ns and triggers, prepare for them.
come back and let us know how you do.
You are preaching to the choir here this happened to me over and over and over again. Suboxone supposed to be the wonder drug but it's really not. it's not being sick without getting high at least until you run out and then you're sick for however many days until you can go back to the doctor. I was still In the grips of drug addiction even though I wasn't getting high . I took it for three years and finally a month ago I decided to just stop. I decided a Enough is enough and I can't do this anymore? I'm still in constant pain I can't sleep actually now that I think about it I haven't slept in four weeks. My legs feel like they have needles constantly poking them. And no matter how tired I am I can't sleep because my legs hurt so bad. i've talk to other people who have an opiate addicts and I've taken Suboxone and they told me that even when it's all over you're still going to be in pain these people eat Ibuprofen all the time because they're always in pain. I don't know what to do we're stuck in the same boat
have you tried any alternatives? hot tub, hot bath w Epsom salt, vitamins - C and B complex. massage, see a doctor who is experience in this to get meds to help sleep and to advise what supplements to take - what supplements are you lacking, etc. read thru the postings here. I think the RLS may be because of the lack of sleep.
At the risk of stating the obvious you need to taper your dose. I have been on subutex before but not for as long as you have. Also been on methadone. I can say for definite that you will be able to drastically cut down your dose without too much trouble. Example I was on 80mg methadone and I reduced by 5mg a day. I didn't feel any withdrawal at all until I got to 10mg. If it was left to the doctors I would have reduced at a snails pace of 2mg a fortnight! It would have taken 2.5 years to get to 0mg at that rate! There's no need to go this slow unless you want to and it just serves to keep you on the drug longer and become more physically dependent on it.
Ask your doc for a taper schedule and if they wont do it then do your own taper. Im willing to bet you could reduce by say 50% without feeling it. If you do feel it too harshly then you can put your dose back up again and start reducing less aggressively.
When you get to a dose that is just holding you nicely you can start to taper from there. A reduction should start from a holding dose, not your ysual dose or a dose that gets you high. Try reducing by 25% every 5 days. If you can go for 5 days on a dose without significant withdrawal then it's safe to drop another 25%. If you do a reduction of 25% each time and stabilise on it for 5 days the half life of subutex will catch up with itself. There isn't a quick way to get off the huge dose you're on and your doctor ought to be strung up imo.
Although it will take a while you can definitely do this! Don't forget supplements like l tyrosine and 5htp. They'll help your brain chemistry to heal itself quicker.
Please don't accept that you'll always be this way. If you want change you can have it but it takes effort. Us addicts want it all and we want it now but sometimes what's worth having is worth patience and effort.
I know you said you don't want to hear the usual information but generally when something is repeated it's because it works. A planned taper is the best way to get off opiates including sub. You can't cold turkey off what you're on and please don't try. Reduce and while doing so load up on supplements. If you haven't already read matt finchs website opiate addiction support. He has excellent information about supplements and mega dosing of vitamin C to alleviate withdrawals.
Try not to go reading stories on the Internet about sub withdrawal. You'll generally only find horror stories and there are reasons for that. Firstly only people who have a bad experience tend to post it on the Internet. People who have positive experiences don't usually feel the need to. Also and this might sound harsh but a lot of drug forums are full of sad miserable people who love to be a victim and they love nothing better than to bring eveyone down to their level. Misery loves company.
So... ask doctor about a taper plan. If not do you own plan. Be responsible for you own recovery. If you have a script with plenty of pills at your disposal you have nothing to fear because if you reduce and it's too much then you can take another little piece until you're comfortable. I think you'll be very surprised at how little you need to hold you. At my worst I was using 2g of H a day. However I didn't need that much to keep me from withdrawing I could get away with say 0.3g.
I hope you will come back with a plan and post how you are doing.
I wish you and everyone else going through this all the best.
Kerry
Ask your doc for a taper schedule and if they wont do it then do your own taper. Im willing to bet you could reduce by say 50% without feeling it. If you do feel it too harshly then you can put your dose back up again and start reducing less aggressively.
When you get to a dose that is just holding you nicely you can start to taper from there. A reduction should start from a holding dose, not your ysual dose or a dose that gets you high. Try reducing by 25% every 5 days. If you can go for 5 days on a dose without significant withdrawal then it's safe to drop another 25%. If you do a reduction of 25% each time and stabilise on it for 5 days the half life of subutex will catch up with itself. There isn't a quick way to get off the huge dose you're on and your doctor ought to be strung up imo.
Although it will take a while you can definitely do this! Don't forget supplements like l tyrosine and 5htp. They'll help your brain chemistry to heal itself quicker.
Please don't accept that you'll always be this way. If you want change you can have it but it takes effort. Us addicts want it all and we want it now but sometimes what's worth having is worth patience and effort.
I know you said you don't want to hear the usual information but generally when something is repeated it's because it works. A planned taper is the best way to get off opiates including sub. You can't cold turkey off what you're on and please don't try. Reduce and while doing so load up on supplements. If you haven't already read matt finchs website opiate addiction support. He has excellent information about supplements and mega dosing of vitamin C to alleviate withdrawals.
Try not to go reading stories on the Internet about sub withdrawal. You'll generally only find horror stories and there are reasons for that. Firstly only people who have a bad experience tend to post it on the Internet. People who have positive experiences don't usually feel the need to. Also and this might sound harsh but a lot of drug forums are full of sad miserable people who love to be a victim and they love nothing better than to bring eveyone down to their level. Misery loves company.
So... ask doctor about a taper plan. If not do you own plan. Be responsible for you own recovery. If you have a script with plenty of pills at your disposal you have nothing to fear because if you reduce and it's too much then you can take another little piece until you're comfortable. I think you'll be very surprised at how little you need to hold you. At my worst I was using 2g of H a day. However I didn't need that much to keep me from withdrawing I could get away with say 0.3g.
I hope you will come back with a plan and post how you are doing.
I wish you and everyone else going through this all the best.
Kerry
I have been off subs for 30days. I was on 16mg a day for 4yrs. I use kratom, dlpa, multiple vitamin, magnesium,l theanine,GABA, taurine, tumeric,lithium orotate. All in max dosage. I am 53yrs old and have detoxed hundreds of times in my life. This is the best detox I have experienced because of the amino acids mostly. They have a powerful effect on the brain. I also research every day on internet about this subject. It helps me stay positive. I could never do this without the amino acids. They are magical. Better than anything else I have tried
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Nice good job Mike! I also was using everything and anything to make myself comfortable. DLPA which I only taken a total of about 10 times. Multivitamin daily. Valerian root, 5htp to sleep. I think I'm about 60 days in. 5htp is pretty awesome to me. Helps stay positive. Dlpa I had mixed reviews and I bought the expensive vegan ones lol. But yeah I have all kinds of supplements left over some that I didn't even open. Gotta do what you gotta do. All I'm left with is the 5htp and valerian root to sleep. Although I've gone a couple nights without either and still getting decent sleep, I like what it's doing to my mental state. Good day, and good job!
Good day everyone, I am seeking advise. I, myself am not on any drugs, but have a friend that is. I have never had any issues with addictions, but trying to learn and help my friend. She is having major issues with trying to get off of Suboxone. She has reduced her usage, but dealing with the side effects. I wanted to see if anyone could help with the side effects and what we maybe able to use to fight the effects. Nausea is the biggest problem she has. Her sleep habits are off, but she does sleep occasionally, and does eat frequently also. While I am working on getting her to eat something better for her, she does love her sweets, I am looking for a little guidance here. She was under doctors care for this, but her insurance was declined and I am seeking someplace that maybe able to help her out, without large expenses, as she has nothing at this point in her life. I have seen some of the post here about using vitamins and supplements if that would help. With her reduction of use, she has gone 24 hours without, but I am afraid she is using to battle the side affects of withdrawal and would like to find something that could help battle them.
