ALL OF YOU who are taking pain pills and you have become addicted, PLEASE heed my message. My son died recently in a drug-related incident. When I could afford to have him on Suboxone, it made all the difference in the world. To be treated by a certified Suboxone doctor is expensive, but it's worth every penny! If I had my son back, I would spend every dime I had on his Suboxone treatment. This medication stops the cravings for drugs, and I believe it really works. Run - don't walk, to the nearest doctor who is certified to dispense Suboxone.
Hi Abenett,
So sorry to hear about your son. Maybe suboxone is for some, but it's not for everyone. Some use it and some claim it helps and others claim it made things worse..
Did your son ever get into a rehab? Did he try meetings?
So sorry to hear about your son. Maybe suboxone is for some, but it's not for everyone. Some use it and some claim it helps and others claim it made things worse..
Did your son ever get into a rehab? Did he try meetings?
Suboxone is not a miracle drug. It has helped many addicts but most found themselves then addicted to the suboxone and not a working a program of recovery. It is not for everyone. IMO, chronic, long time abusers and heroin addicts, yes, but not those that haven't been addicted that long or aren't using alot. You should try every other avenue first, suboxone being your last resort.
I'm sorry about your son. My heart goes out to you.
I'm sorry about your son. My heart goes out to you.
Maybe Suboxone isn't for everyone - I only know it helped my son tremendously. We were desperately searching for a rehab center (State-funded). Matt went to a rehab for a week (not long enough). He was to go back in the same rehab center on the 27th of Jan. A doctor there blackballed him because he and Matt had words about Matt's diabetes. The doctor was never around to give him his insulin! Yes, I somewhat blame the doctor for doing that. Matt was killed on the 15th - was to go to the rehab center of the 27th. Matt was very attuned to his diabetes and I can understand why he would be upset about the doctor not being there!!
Am I missing something here? If the sub helped your son than what happened? I'm confused, sorry.
Me too.If your son died in a drug related accident,how did sub help him? This story makes no sense.
Insulin is a drug. I'm thinking that's the drug related incidence...
I'm so sorry about your son. No parent should go through the death of a child.
I'm so sorry about your son. No parent should go through the death of a child.
I think? that her son was scheduled to get more sub but died before that happend? Or that she wanted him on it and it didn't happen? I'm not sure either. But whatever the circumstance, I am so sorry. It is my biggest fear every day for my son.
But again, sub isn't the miracle cure..it's just a tool to be used with a 12 step recovery program. If they just use it to stay out of withdrawals, it has no long term effects at all. Only more consquences.
But again, sub isn't the miracle cure..it's just a tool to be used with a 12 step recovery program. If they just use it to stay out of withdrawals, it has no long term effects at all. Only more consquences.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I had Matt under a doctor's care about a year ago. He was taking Suboxone on a regular basis and was doing much better. He didn't work, but was his Dad's caregiver (and a very good one). It was terribly expensive and, being on social security, I simply ran out of money. There is a big upfront fee, plus a big monthly fee (around 250.00), and the Suboxone ran about 200.00 a month. After I could no longer afford it, Matt bought it from friends when he could. When he left on that fateful night, I had given him 40.00 to get Suboxone. He went to a woman's house where he had visted before and bought drugs. I don't think she had Suboxone, but when he couldn't get Suboxone, I'm thinking he was trying to purchase OxyContin from her. Since his 40.00 was never retrieved (it wasn't in his personal affects), I'm assuming she kept his money and they may have been arguing about that. I suppose I'll never know. Her son killed him. I'm being truthful when I say I don't know if Matt was trying to buy Suboxone or OxyContin. All I know for sure is my son is dead because of drugs. If I could have him back, I would sell our home or anything to keep him on Suboxone. I know it's not for everyone, but it worked for him. I would like to see Suboxone offered at a lower price, as well as the treatment that comes with it. Doctors are making a fortune on this, and if it were offered at a lower price, maybe, just maybe, it would help other addicts. His Dad and I are old - on social security, but we helped as long as we could afford it. Matt was no thug; no gang member. Instead, he was a gentle soul, loved his parents, but he was an addict, and the only thing that helped was Suboxone (along with the treatment).
This is Aileen correct, Matt didn't die from using, but from a situation he got into trying to get drugs...whatever the drug was at the time, sadly you will never really know what happened that night...
We have spoken before I responded to your thread on the sub board about looking to help, someone ... anyone at this point. If it was only that easy, and trust me I am out there giving back and I guess I can ask who does one give back to when the stigma of addiction keep parents in hiding, ashamed and embarrassed...while anger and guilt and blame further help to complication this already insane disease.
If we could only just communicate to parents, to not hide, to not keep this secret. I think that is the biggest challenge with this disease. Along with removing the stigma and the just a junkie mentality that society has created.
I am so sorry ... you would not be the only mother who has seen how well sub helped their child and the effects of what became when they couldn't get it anymore. And then an other very real side, what becomes when they have an easy out to wd, and can use sub when they can't get a high in the moment and then jump off and be right back using again. But I tend to have some issues with how sub is prescribed, it should be more a last house on the street...
I hope you can find some peace as time moves. I am sure that Matt would not want you to be living out your time left suffering, stuck in questions that have no answers now...
Be good to you,
Love,
Tina
We have spoken before I responded to your thread on the sub board about looking to help, someone ... anyone at this point. If it was only that easy, and trust me I am out there giving back and I guess I can ask who does one give back to when the stigma of addiction keep parents in hiding, ashamed and embarrassed...while anger and guilt and blame further help to complication this already insane disease.
If we could only just communicate to parents, to not hide, to not keep this secret. I think that is the biggest challenge with this disease. Along with removing the stigma and the just a junkie mentality that society has created.
I am so sorry ... you would not be the only mother who has seen how well sub helped their child and the effects of what became when they couldn't get it anymore. And then an other very real side, what becomes when they have an easy out to wd, and can use sub when they can't get a high in the moment and then jump off and be right back using again. But I tend to have some issues with how sub is prescribed, it should be more a last house on the street...
I hope you can find some peace as time moves. I am sure that Matt would not want you to be living out your time left suffering, stuck in questions that have no answers now...
Be good to you,
Love,
Tina
I am so very sorry for your loss. My son, too, is a drug addict. That's the problem with suboxone, in my opinion. As an addict, you still need it, once you start it...same as methadone. So, if you can't afford it legally, you are right back on the streets buying it or something else. My son's been there, too. He told me he was buying Suboxone, when in reality I found out it was herion he was buying.
Again, I am sorry for your loss. My son could be there one day, which is my greatest fear. Whatever works, works, and if it's Suboxone, so be it.
JT
Again, I am sorry for your loss. My son could be there one day, which is my greatest fear. Whatever works, works, and if it's Suboxone, so be it.
JT
Abennete...Thanks for explaning that and I'm sorry your son passed away.Unfortunately,putting the blame on a doctor or dealer won't work for too long.Maybe it's something that will serve you now and I understand.
This disease is an equal opportunity affliction.It will take down the nice guys along with the bad guys.It doesn't discriminate.Some of us got lucky and escaped.Many people get clean and sober without suboxone or methadone.It can be done.
Good luck and I hope you find some peace.
This disease is an equal opportunity affliction.It will take down the nice guys along with the bad guys.It doesn't discriminate.Some of us got lucky and escaped.Many people get clean and sober without suboxone or methadone.It can be done.
Good luck and I hope you find some peace.
Hi Abennette,
I'm so sorry for what happened to your son, I can only imagine what you're going through. God Bless
Liz
I'm so sorry for what happened to your son, I can only imagine what you're going through. God Bless
Liz
I wish we knew the answer...I'm for families speaking out about the addction. Whatever help it takes to get off the "stuff," I wish it was more affordable. I have felt what other mother's have felt and feel....the anxiousness the "not knowing what to do," the talking, talking to our kids. Matt hated himself for doing drugs, but maybe not enough. Matt was a college graduate, very talented and creative. No, drugs do not only affect thugs or gang members. What COULD we do? There are many of us on this board. The resolution might be in the doctor's having more reign in prescribing OxyContin or other pain medication. Getting to the "source" would help. People are selling their pills. If addicts couldn't "find" a pill, what option would they have but to try and get off them? Any suggestions or thoughts?
I think if it weren't for the pills, addicts would always find something else. Huffing paint was big at one time, there is always alcohol. There will always be something.
Addiction doesn't discriminate, addicts come from every walk of life. Good families, bad families, thugs, college graduates, etc. Don't know how the spread of addiction can be stopped, all we can do is educate our children about the dangers and hope they choose to stand clear from drugs and people who use them.
Addiction doesn't discriminate, addicts come from every walk of life. Good families, bad families, thugs, college graduates, etc. Don't know how the spread of addiction can be stopped, all we can do is educate our children about the dangers and hope they choose to stand clear from drugs and people who use them.
I think you have to look at it in a more historical perspective.The only difference today is the increased population and sophistication of pharmacology.
In ancient Greece and China the extracted juice from the poppy[morphine] was used quite commonly to alleviate pain,induce dreams & used as an intoxicant.Alexander the Greats army used it quite extensively during their long marches and quest to conquer Persia.
At the turn of the 19th century both Morhine and Cocaine were widely used and legal.Women comprised the greatest addiction problem in U.S. history.One of the most widely used preperations was Laudlam.It was nothing but morphine in a syrup and was extremely popular.Women were not allowed to drink and were also kept in "guilded cages" so they just sat at home all geared up.
Heroin was also a legal substance and was introduced in the late 1800's by Bayer Company as a anti-tusive.
Things haven't changed today.The drugs are more high-tech and there are a plethora of choices.OxyContin and Opana are simply scientific engineered narcotics but their roots are from the ancient poppy plant.
And of course there is Alcohol.The oldest drug in the world.
Until mankind quits seeking intoxicants to change their state of being,nothing will change.I don't care what kind of restrictions are imposed.When their is a demand,their is a supply.You can't blame doctors,dealers,growers,the FDA,etc.
Man will seek something to kill pain,psychic or physical.
The only solution I see effective is getting to the root of the problem before it starts.That will be a tall order.
In ancient Greece and China the extracted juice from the poppy[morphine] was used quite commonly to alleviate pain,induce dreams & used as an intoxicant.Alexander the Greats army used it quite extensively during their long marches and quest to conquer Persia.
At the turn of the 19th century both Morhine and Cocaine were widely used and legal.Women comprised the greatest addiction problem in U.S. history.One of the most widely used preperations was Laudlam.It was nothing but morphine in a syrup and was extremely popular.Women were not allowed to drink and were also kept in "guilded cages" so they just sat at home all geared up.
Heroin was also a legal substance and was introduced in the late 1800's by Bayer Company as a anti-tusive.
Things haven't changed today.The drugs are more high-tech and there are a plethora of choices.OxyContin and Opana are simply scientific engineered narcotics but their roots are from the ancient poppy plant.
And of course there is Alcohol.The oldest drug in the world.
Until mankind quits seeking intoxicants to change their state of being,nothing will change.I don't care what kind of restrictions are imposed.When their is a demand,their is a supply.You can't blame doctors,dealers,growers,the FDA,etc.
Man will seek something to kill pain,psychic or physical.
The only solution I see effective is getting to the root of the problem before it starts.That will be a tall order.
If addicts couldn't "find" a pill, what option would they have but to try and get off them? Any suggestions or thoughts?
August here. College graduate. Law school graduate, two professional certifications, and a PhD in Drug Addiction. Addiction does not discriminate. It is rampant in my profession. It permeates every political, religious, and socio-economic position.
When we outlaw drugs, we simply make drug users criminals. Addicts use, and we always find ways to use. Laws do not reduce the number of addicts. They do influence quality, price, drug selection, and countless collateral social costs like theft, imprisonment, underground economy, etc. We addicts use until we die, become institutionalized, or for a lucky few, find recovery.
I am so very sorry for the loss of your son.
No addict gets clean until the pain of using becomes greater than the pain of getting clean. For this garden variety addict, here are no easy short cuts, no loop holes, no quick fixes.
I have no first hand experience with suboxone or methadone but from what I can see on this board, at best it should be used short term under strict medical supervision as a transition to personal recovery. At worst, it is simply another substance that we addicts use and abuse in the course of our addiction.
Stick around. You might also check out the Families and Friends board.
August
August here. College graduate. Law school graduate, two professional certifications, and a PhD in Drug Addiction. Addiction does not discriminate. It is rampant in my profession. It permeates every political, religious, and socio-economic position.
When we outlaw drugs, we simply make drug users criminals. Addicts use, and we always find ways to use. Laws do not reduce the number of addicts. They do influence quality, price, drug selection, and countless collateral social costs like theft, imprisonment, underground economy, etc. We addicts use until we die, become institutionalized, or for a lucky few, find recovery.
I am so very sorry for the loss of your son.
No addict gets clean until the pain of using becomes greater than the pain of getting clean. For this garden variety addict, here are no easy short cuts, no loop holes, no quick fixes.
I have no first hand experience with suboxone or methadone but from what I can see on this board, at best it should be used short term under strict medical supervision as a transition to personal recovery. At worst, it is simply another substance that we addicts use and abuse in the course of our addiction.
Stick around. You might also check out the Families and Friends board.
August
That's why the war on drugs is such an abysmal failure.Remember the "Just Say No" campaign of the 80's?...........well,it's the 200'9s and a lot of folks just didn't say no.
I am so sorry for your loss. But the issue of suboxone is frustrating as unless you have been on it with an addiction specialist well then you read about people posting things that are untrue. There are no words here to help ease your pain. So Sorry Your son should be alive and instead your suffering for no reason. Peoples priorities are all messed up and as a parent you can only take care of your own. Kind of hard to find the time to raise awareness about these thieving bastards when its our government running the whole show.
Personally I try to post to people looking for sub to only deal with addiction specialists who work in hospitals. 99% there is mental issues that need to be treated or the sub again will fail.
Short term august is the exact opposite. Its more like 8-10 months and some addicts will use it forever? beats the alternative.
Tim drug problems start at home as most kids are either having kids or have no parents. Also for me growing up and if you listen to many addicts who are famous they all say the same thing--they were self medication as they were severely depressed. This has always been my problem.
But if your not in therapy and AA for early recovery which is mandated by any addiction specialist? Then in all probability the sub will fail.'
I guess some of us are lucky. My sub cost me 50 bucks a month doctors 30 for specialists. The sub saved my Life.
Again I am really sorry for your loss.
Jeff
Personally I try to post to people looking for sub to only deal with addiction specialists who work in hospitals. 99% there is mental issues that need to be treated or the sub again will fail.
Short term august is the exact opposite. Its more like 8-10 months and some addicts will use it forever? beats the alternative.
Tim drug problems start at home as most kids are either having kids or have no parents. Also for me growing up and if you listen to many addicts who are famous they all say the same thing--they were self medication as they were severely depressed. This has always been my problem.
But if your not in therapy and AA for early recovery which is mandated by any addiction specialist? Then in all probability the sub will fail.'
I guess some of us are lucky. My sub cost me 50 bucks a month doctors 30 for specialists. The sub saved my Life.
Again I am really sorry for your loss.
Jeff
I suppose my utter frustration comes from wanting to do something - anything to help in some way, and maybe this is a phase of grief! I don't want any other mother or father to go through this terrible pain of losing a child. I can't cure the world - I know that.