I struggling with taking meth daily for a number of reasons personally it makes me tired, constipated (badly so I end up taking loads of laxatives to purge myself of days out POO!!!) emotional and depressed. I've just come off lithium and anti-depressants as I was still DP so I didn't see the point if I was still DP., but I still feel methe robs me of some get out and go. I've just using H again after a break of many years as I felt low but I realise that will make things worse(epescially now my savings have gone!!!!), has any body been on both methe and subutex and is there any difference? To benefit from I mean.
You can't be on both. If your on meth and take subutex or suboxone, you will be deathly sick from withdrawls. It takes the meth from the receptor sites and replaces it. In the meantime you go thru withdrawls from the meth leaving the receptor site.
I think I read your question wrong. Sorry. You want to know the difference of being on meth or the subutex. Well for me I like the fact that you can go to your doctor and get a 90 day supply with a prescription and you don't have to go to the meth clinic everyday. Also, it is less sever withdrawls if you come down off it. It has a less of a half life then meth.
Simone i have posted a few posts on this about subutex. I was also on methodone for a year and i hated it too. It made me feel ill and i couldnt handle having another addiction as i was still using heroin. I came off meth myself using herion and waited nearly 6 months to get subutex. Im on them for 16 days so i wont be withdrawing from them too. This is day 8 and i havent went near herion as the subutex are great with the withdrawls they really really help you not to cold turkey also try and read up on subutex they work by blocking your receptors so you dont crave the drug. I know from the reading ive done about them that you can use them to get off of methodone too you no matter what your taking you have to be in withdrawls before you take your first dose. Try whatever you can simone cause if you havent used them before make sure you get a bit of knowledge about it first. If you need to ask me anything just post to me. It sounds if the meth is not working for you and you sound unhappy using heroin, it worked for me i know its early days and i dont want to sound to cocky but i never thought i would get this far and the sub has really helped me too.
Take Care
Yvonne
Take Care
Yvonne
Thanks all, the trouble is my local cdt will not give me subs unless i get down to 10-20mls a methe a day and everytime I get below 25mls the depression kicks in which I can't cope with as I want to die and can't feel like that running a house and 4 kids on my own...so its a devilsh predict, do doctors prescribe? I think I'll have to put my asertive shoes of and demand some bloody help....I've never ever mucked clinics and doctors about and have always reduced myself but its the last bits and I always end up lasping into H but on high amounts of methe is no real life either.....Has anyone invented a time machine yet!!???!!
Thanks to you all, this site is great you can really say what you feel where as on NA sites it always made me feel like I wanted to slit my throat...and you I felt like you couldn't really taklk about drugs and using otherwise someone would call you a wanker for not coming off drugs sooner!!!! (No offence intended to the kind people in NA, its just some people can be a bit cocky cos they acheived 'happiness')Thank you all. simone x
Thanks to you all, this site is great you can really say what you feel where as on NA sites it always made me feel like I wanted to slit my throat...and you I felt like you couldn't really taklk about drugs and using otherwise someone would call you a wanker for not coming off drugs sooner!!!! (No offence intended to the kind people in NA, its just some people can be a bit cocky cos they acheived 'happiness')Thank you all. simone x
Simone i know excatly where you are coming from. I had to attend the hospital for 5 weeks going once or twice a week as they said i could not rush taking subutex, even though i had been using heroin for 5 years. I had waited since april to get an appointment at the hospital so by the time september came i had reduced my heroin and i was begging them to put me on the subutex as i felt i was mentally and pysically ready for it but they were saying no. I felt like dying too as i expressed my concerns to them saying i couldnt go on putting my body through it the money side was getting to much too as every penny i had was going on drugs, i stay myself as my 16year old daughter still stays at my mums as she has to travel an hour to school in which my mum takes her half way by car. My drug worker words to me where " Drug addicts have an emergency every day to get there drugs and thats why some people turn to prostitution for money" I had not used that day and my mum came with me. I told her that i didnt want to go get heroin i needed help and she said to me " You will have to stay on heroin to get the subutex. My mum could not believe what she was saying either. I was so frightened then and I keep that thought in the back of my mind, but i didnt go away i pestered them until they would listen to me and after 5 weeks i eventually got the subutex. They were dangling a carrot infront of me and ever time i thought i was about to crap it they took it away. I have a really sore foot after having surgery last year and my doctor has me on painkillers for it, they told me to stop taking them too as it was not an opiate but a strong painkiller. I done that too and im still not taking them and in great pain with my foot but what else do i do?.
I really felt i was banging my head on a brick wall but simone i knew my own body better than anyone and i dont know where i got the strenght to keep going for they 5 weeks but i did. If you feel your not getting the help you should be and you really want the help then all i can suggest dont give up, a really nice person on the site told me back in april you must Yearn to get off it, and you sound a strong character so go back to your doctor and tell him how much you need the help and dont take no for an answer/
Take loads of care
Yvonne
I really felt i was banging my head on a brick wall but simone i knew my own body better than anyone and i dont know where i got the strenght to keep going for they 5 weeks but i did. If you feel your not getting the help you should be and you really want the help then all i can suggest dont give up, a really nice person on the site told me back in april you must Yearn to get off it, and you sound a strong character so go back to your doctor and tell him how much you need the help and dont take no for an answer/
Take loads of care
Yvonne
Hi Yvonne
I am looking for some info on subutex, my son is on 75ml of meth, but lives in Scotland where I dont think you can get it. I live in England and he is hoping to come down to live with me soon to try and come off meth. I have mentioned to him about subutex, and he thinks he has to be off meth for 6 months before you can get them. First, how does he go about getting sub and how does it work with the meth.
R xxxx
I am looking for some info on subutex, my son is on 75ml of meth, but lives in Scotland where I dont think you can get it. I live in England and he is hoping to come down to live with me soon to try and come off meth. I have mentioned to him about subutex, and he thinks he has to be off meth for 6 months before you can get them. First, how does he go about getting sub and how does it work with the meth.
R xxxx
Hi babyshamble,
I life in scotland too so subutex is coming available their too.
I had been on meth last year and i hated it so i weaned myself off it but i was still using heroin, then i went to my doctor who referred me to a drug councillor who put me on lofexidine in april and i would have been better cold turkeying. I was rushed into hospital as my heart nearly stopped it was a reaction to the lofexidine. so after 21 days of being really unwell , I went back on heroin.
I linked in to another drug service who then referred me to the hospital (alchol problem clinic).I went 6 weeks ago twice a week as by that point i was on my knees wanting help but they told me i had to be mentally and pysically prepared for the detox. I was but they advised me to stay on heroin until they said i was ready. Im on my 14 day now and i think the subutex has worked brilliant for me, it really helps with the w/d and has let me deal with the pysical side of it.
You said your son in on 75 ml meth, well i know from what they tell me that is too high a dosage, he should go to his doctor and find out which hospitals will give him subutex, My own doctor was going to give me subutex but he did not know much about this and the cpn at the hospital told me that they would give me it on a daily basic supervised where they put it under your tounge to dissolve. The first day i was to get subutex i was told that i had to be going through w/d for the subutex to work as if you are not w/d and take sub you will be ill, so i waited 20 hours to get my first dose. I felt terrible but was told the more your in w/d the better the subutex would work. After half hour i felt better and ive not looked back since. I have only 3 days to go then i will be on nothing for a week then they will put me on a blocker for 6 months(i just want as much back up as possible). From reading leaflets and talking about subs i know you can be put on it from meth but i think your son will have to come down some before he can get it. Hope that will be helpful to you, the cpn has put me on subs for only 16 days and ive been getting reduced everyday so that i wont get addicted to them and also so i wont be w/d from them.
Best wishes to you and your son and keep in touch and let me know how he got on.
Love Yvonne
I life in scotland too so subutex is coming available their too.
I had been on meth last year and i hated it so i weaned myself off it but i was still using heroin, then i went to my doctor who referred me to a drug councillor who put me on lofexidine in april and i would have been better cold turkeying. I was rushed into hospital as my heart nearly stopped it was a reaction to the lofexidine. so after 21 days of being really unwell , I went back on heroin.
I linked in to another drug service who then referred me to the hospital (alchol problem clinic).I went 6 weeks ago twice a week as by that point i was on my knees wanting help but they told me i had to be mentally and pysically prepared for the detox. I was but they advised me to stay on heroin until they said i was ready. Im on my 14 day now and i think the subutex has worked brilliant for me, it really helps with the w/d and has let me deal with the pysical side of it.
You said your son in on 75 ml meth, well i know from what they tell me that is too high a dosage, he should go to his doctor and find out which hospitals will give him subutex, My own doctor was going to give me subutex but he did not know much about this and the cpn at the hospital told me that they would give me it on a daily basic supervised where they put it under your tounge to dissolve. The first day i was to get subutex i was told that i had to be going through w/d for the subutex to work as if you are not w/d and take sub you will be ill, so i waited 20 hours to get my first dose. I felt terrible but was told the more your in w/d the better the subutex would work. After half hour i felt better and ive not looked back since. I have only 3 days to go then i will be on nothing for a week then they will put me on a blocker for 6 months(i just want as much back up as possible). From reading leaflets and talking about subs i know you can be put on it from meth but i think your son will have to come down some before he can get it. Hope that will be helpful to you, the cpn has put me on subs for only 16 days and ive been getting reduced everyday so that i wont get addicted to them and also so i wont be w/d from them.
Best wishes to you and your son and keep in touch and let me know how he got on.
Love Yvonne
Hi Yvonne
Thanks for that, it is really helpful. The information my son gets from fellows addicts, who have never tried to quit, is never really quite accuate. So I am glad I have some good news about sub.
He is currently registered with an addiction service in Ayrshire, I will ask him to ask the question.
He has been on meth 2 years now, with no drugs worker , no support but a daily script and a 6 monthly meeting. I found that amazing that there was no programme or plan.
I spend hours last night on this forum , and I see some light and hope, whereas it was dark and scary before.
Good luck with you,
Will keep you informed
R xxx
Thanks for that, it is really helpful. The information my son gets from fellows addicts, who have never tried to quit, is never really quite accuate. So I am glad I have some good news about sub.
He is currently registered with an addiction service in Ayrshire, I will ask him to ask the question.
He has been on meth 2 years now, with no drugs worker , no support but a daily script and a 6 monthly meeting. I found that amazing that there was no programme or plan.
I spend hours last night on this forum , and I see some light and hope, whereas it was dark and scary before.
Good luck with you,
Will keep you informed
R xxx
hi guys im hoping that some body can point me in the right direction..well its like this iv been dabbleing with all drugs for 15 years now and have had a nasty smack habbit for 8 years...iv been on methadone for 4 years on and off and never had much success with it..any how i pleased to say that i have not done any smack for 10 months and 7 days and intend to stay this way..however i have only acheived this with the help of methadone. the problem i have is i am now down to a daily amount of 21mls and have ruduced from 50mls and am determind to get proper clean and need to no the best way.. iv got a fantastic life now, a fantastic partener , a lovley house and a job that is ok...any ideas on how i can get off the juice and maintain the job house and girlfriend..iv been thinking about subutex....can i still maintain my life and work whilst detoxing on subutex..iv tried very hard with methadone but no that i cant detox with meth alone...does anybody else notice the depression, being irrational,the sweats the cramps and all the rest of the s***e that comes with meth...my drug support worker says that the withdrawels is all in my head ....maybe it is but still feels pretty real to me...unfortunatly i would have to buy subutex through a private doctor as the local health dudes ere will not prescibe it as it cost too much(nice to no that we are worth so little)...luckerly my local drug help agentcy wil let me buy this elsewhere and they will still give support...sorry guys for going on its just that i am on a mission to get totaly opiate free and wud be greatful for any advice...nuf respect to all you guys and i wish you all the love and luck in the world...take care and be safe.....dan xx
hi Dan, well done on your tapering of methadone so far, you are doing well.
How exactly have you been tapering..how many drops per week for example?
myboyfriend is tapering from 50ml too, he is down to 38 at the moment
he was doing drops of 2 per week but now the clinic want to do 1 a week.
how have you found the taper?
How exactly have you been tapering..how many drops per week for example?
myboyfriend is tapering from 50ml too, he is down to 38 at the moment
he was doing drops of 2 per week but now the clinic want to do 1 a week.
how have you found the taper?
