Hi to everyone, I'm very new to computers (excuse any errors) but I'm not new to addiction and trying break the habit. As you may see from Topic title at he moment I'm interested in pro's/con's of subutex. I am 50 years old and at the begining of 2006 I told myself give up or die, since Jan when I started on 95mls meth I'm now down to 30mls and on Tues due to go on Subutex. I never thought I would have such emotions going round in my mind, I'm excited, frightened thinking non stop night and day. I've been addicted for 25 years, my last prison term was 1998-5yrs can't do anymore. Now I have loverly bungalow, very supportive family, 4 great kids (who hate this stuff), and I've been giving neg test results since March. Do you think I'm putting too much pressure on taking Subutex? I know their is no such thing as a wonder drug. I would really like to read comments from people with first hand knowledge of Subutex, I have read the medical leaflets.
Thank you
hi darkside im new to the site also.i was on meth for 8 years and whent into detox and got off it. it took 4weeks and nearly sent me over the edge no sleep etc. after i got my habit back on the gear after about 12months i went on subutex it was a full rattle for the first 2days by the 3rd i felt alot beeter got alittle sleep but i was smoking alot of gear at the time .they give you a test dose off up to 4mls then put you up to what you feel happy with.iwas given 4mls in the morning and went back to dc was to ill so put me up to 8mls then day later 10mls then ended up on14mls daily as you will have read you can have up to32mls .i was on them for 9months then came off them thought i would do without as never used in that time .then a few weeks later got slowly ended up back on the brown.being on 30mls daily you have done well getting down from 95mls and not useing on top.it will be very hard but try them you can always get the meth back if dosent work out.any problems when on the subs go and ask your doctor or key worker dont suffer in silance everyones diffrerent. good luck your taking a big step.
Hi Darkside
If there was ever a WONDER DRUG then Subutex comes pretty damn close. I started taking them after giving up Heroin about 16 months ago and they really do work, so yes I would definatley praise them and they are better than Meth because it is far easy to get of the Subbies than it is the Meth. So go for it and good luck, you really will find it a lot easier after a few days. The only downside to Subbies is that they effect your sex drive slightly, but believe me it is far better than taking the Meth. Sometimes I feel like giving up the Ghost, but I think we all get like that every now and again. Take care Marky Mark
If there was ever a WONDER DRUG then Subutex comes pretty damn close. I started taking them after giving up Heroin about 16 months ago and they really do work, so yes I would definatley praise them and they are better than Meth because it is far easy to get of the Subbies than it is the Meth. So go for it and good luck, you really will find it a lot easier after a few days. The only downside to Subbies is that they effect your sex drive slightly, but believe me it is far better than taking the Meth. Sometimes I feel like giving up the Ghost, but I think we all get like that every now and again. Take care Marky Mark
I hope you have better luck and more drive than I did. I went from 80 mgs to 30 -all ready to make the switch- the bottom line is I chickened out. I went back up to 40 mgs (where I still am)-which I consider a kind of success in itself.
I think it was the fear of the unknown ,and fear of failing- the fear of fuc**ing it up and winding up on a dope run all over again-scared me into rethinking my plans and I put them off.
I,ve also been on mdone for many ,many yaers- so its a little different - I think there is a seperation anxiety in there somewhere
I know it works for people with a dope habit -who go right to subs without the mdone use inbetween. I also know it does work for people who have been on mdone for shorter peroids of time.
Im not sure how it works on the long term mdone user.- I guess when Im ready to find out- I,ll know
all the best
go for it and use all the support that is offered!!
much respect to you
jack
I think it was the fear of the unknown ,and fear of failing- the fear of fuc**ing it up and winding up on a dope run all over again-scared me into rethinking my plans and I put them off.
I,ve also been on mdone for many ,many yaers- so its a little different - I think there is a seperation anxiety in there somewhere
I know it works for people with a dope habit -who go right to subs without the mdone use inbetween. I also know it does work for people who have been on mdone for shorter peroids of time.
Im not sure how it works on the long term mdone user.- I guess when Im ready to find out- I,ll know
all the best
go for it and use all the support that is offered!!
much respect to you
jack
Hi everybody
It was interesting reading the replies. I was able to pick out bits of information from each of you. I was toying with the idea of doing my detox totally with meth, but I am so frightened of meth as I have been on and off it for years, and I remember clearly when I was on 120mls, got caught, put on remand, 7 day detox, months of pure agony, it was something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
I am also feeling so scared, anxious and so close to using, as I wait to go on Subutex, I've got to last until tomorrow 1.45pm that is when I see the doctor, my keyworker has told me not to take anything 24 hours before and she did say I would be put on 4mls, I thought that it didn't seem a lot but I found the answer in mandy1 reply, ta.
I do understand your fears (jackofhartzz) as I said the stress I'm going through waiting for the change over, I've never had headaches like these before thinking constancely, but I pray and hope it works for me, I have to do it this time, for 25yrs I've been fighting this addiction, the first 7/8 yrs I managed to work and feed my habit, find a partner, have 4 children even bought our own house, as you all know impossible to keep going. Life really started going downhill and you couldn't really come clean as then you were classed as scum etc and I already had low esteem. After losing the house, job and driving licence I didn't know what to do. My partner stood by me as did my family.
I remember going out with another addict to do a burglary, afterwards I felt sick and ashamed. So then realising I didn't have the guts for that avenue of crime I when into dealing, this served its purpose, I did realise I was enabling others to commit the crimes I couldn't do, but I was there to feed my habit. I can tell everyone I never made millions as the media would like to believe, I fed my habit paid the bills and took a big chance. As the police said to me they only have to be lucky once, I have to be lucky all the time, and so began the prison sentences I have said my last one was 5yrs the judge said if I came before the courts again it would be double figues. Thats why I say I have to do this time.
Another reason for Subutex is its a blocker and I do need that. I am very lucky that I've found loverly bungalow to rent, understanding family and friends, but I know it only take one slip and I don't know if I can keep it going. I live on my own now and speak to my kids every week (they are all grown up and drug free) So I do have a lot to live for.
Once again thanks mandy1, MarkyMark and jackofhartzz.
Peter
It was interesting reading the replies. I was able to pick out bits of information from each of you. I was toying with the idea of doing my detox totally with meth, but I am so frightened of meth as I have been on and off it for years, and I remember clearly when I was on 120mls, got caught, put on remand, 7 day detox, months of pure agony, it was something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
I am also feeling so scared, anxious and so close to using, as I wait to go on Subutex, I've got to last until tomorrow 1.45pm that is when I see the doctor, my keyworker has told me not to take anything 24 hours before and she did say I would be put on 4mls, I thought that it didn't seem a lot but I found the answer in mandy1 reply, ta.
I do understand your fears (jackofhartzz) as I said the stress I'm going through waiting for the change over, I've never had headaches like these before thinking constancely, but I pray and hope it works for me, I have to do it this time, for 25yrs I've been fighting this addiction, the first 7/8 yrs I managed to work and feed my habit, find a partner, have 4 children even bought our own house, as you all know impossible to keep going. Life really started going downhill and you couldn't really come clean as then you were classed as scum etc and I already had low esteem. After losing the house, job and driving licence I didn't know what to do. My partner stood by me as did my family.
I remember going out with another addict to do a burglary, afterwards I felt sick and ashamed. So then realising I didn't have the guts for that avenue of crime I when into dealing, this served its purpose, I did realise I was enabling others to commit the crimes I couldn't do, but I was there to feed my habit. I can tell everyone I never made millions as the media would like to believe, I fed my habit paid the bills and took a big chance. As the police said to me they only have to be lucky once, I have to be lucky all the time, and so began the prison sentences I have said my last one was 5yrs the judge said if I came before the courts again it would be double figues. Thats why I say I have to do this time.
Another reason for Subutex is its a blocker and I do need that. I am very lucky that I've found loverly bungalow to rent, understanding family and friends, but I know it only take one slip and I don't know if I can keep it going. I live on my own now and speak to my kids every week (they are all grown up and drug free) So I do have a lot to live for.
Once again thanks mandy1, MarkyMark and jackofhartzz.
Peter
I was put on suboxone nov 8 my dose is 8mils 2 times a day. My habit doc was oxycontin and I would use anywhere from 80 to 200 mils a day. The subs are working ok, my depression is gone but I still have some cravings
hi darkside .keep strong post to let me know how things are when your on the subs .everyones different so you may go through things different to most .what you have done in the past is the past we have all done things .glad to hear you have got family support you need it.good luck with the subs bye for now
