This will be my last post concerning this topic. After this I don't care what two say or if you respond of not.
All I'll say is that I don't care what you two people think about me. I will continue to post and reply to people the exact same way I have always done. I'd don't care if you two agree with it or not. You can't please everyone and not everyone is going to like you either.
On that note you can say what you want about me, be disrespectful, call my names, whatever. You can both act as immature as you want, your just making yourselves look bad.
I'm hear to help myself recover and help others who seriously want to become clean. I'm not here to lie and tell people that they are doing a good job when they're not.. I'll continue to say it how it is or how I see it. This is life and this is reality. Everyone has to be real with themselves if they are gonna beat this disease. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.
That being said, if you two don't like what I post then don't respond and say immature things to start agruments with people. That just completely destroys the purpose of the thread.
Just so it sink in for you two. I am hear to help myself and others who truely and seriously want it. Also I don't know what you two have against Cowgirl. I personally think she's a great person and she is definately needed here. She has helped alot of people and she also doesn't beat around the bush and says things as they are required.
So I hope the two of you leave me alone to do my thing and I hope the both of you can grow up, act mature and help me help others get better.
Thanks in advance.
Kiwi
You have had to be on this site for quite a while to know how far back and how deep run the feelings on tough love vs. love/love. You are just the most recent in the line of many that come on with the opinion that tough love is the "only" way. We do this (and long before I started coming on here in July) at least once every month or so! It is pretty much 50/50 divided. And each side is 100% sure that in some manner they are correct...which is true. If you will read the post from teresa to clancy ( i think that may be the one) you will read my testimony and the stories of others that have had the love/love way work wonders.
My belief Kiwi is that at the beginning that every user that comes to this board broken, needs a tender voice and a helping hand up. After that, if they keep whining and don't help themselves then they're not gonna get much help from me! I have my limits ! But I think everyone deserves some time to get their bearings. Then the tough love is a super tool, along with meetings and all the things needed to not relapse.
I just do not agree with the manner in which you speak to people. You told a friend of mine that began using again after a month clean "to get off the pity pot". I didn't think that was appropriate at all. She already knew she messed up and was feeling like sh** already, she didn't need a high and mighty lecture from someone that had only a few days of sobriety under his belt. She knew what she needed and she got it...now she is back working on her days again.
Saying cruel things serve only to make a broken person only more broken. You just push them further down into a hole.
So, read the other posts, find out, if you want, where the rest of us are coming from and why your words and actions brought such a emotional reaction. Then if you want...talk to me about it. I would be interested in your opinion.
With Respect,
Clancy
You have had to be on this site for quite a while to know how far back and how deep run the feelings on tough love vs. love/love. You are just the most recent in the line of many that come on with the opinion that tough love is the "only" way. We do this (and long before I started coming on here in July) at least once every month or so! It is pretty much 50/50 divided. And each side is 100% sure that in some manner they are correct...which is true. If you will read the post from teresa to clancy ( i think that may be the one) you will read my testimony and the stories of others that have had the love/love way work wonders.
My belief Kiwi is that at the beginning that every user that comes to this board broken, needs a tender voice and a helping hand up. After that, if they keep whining and don't help themselves then they're not gonna get much help from me! I have my limits ! But I think everyone deserves some time to get their bearings. Then the tough love is a super tool, along with meetings and all the things needed to not relapse.
I just do not agree with the manner in which you speak to people. You told a friend of mine that began using again after a month clean "to get off the pity pot". I didn't think that was appropriate at all. She already knew she messed up and was feeling like sh** already, she didn't need a high and mighty lecture from someone that had only a few days of sobriety under his belt. She knew what she needed and she got it...now she is back working on her days again.
Saying cruel things serve only to make a broken person only more broken. You just push them further down into a hole.
So, read the other posts, find out, if you want, where the rest of us are coming from and why your words and actions brought such a emotional reaction. Then if you want...talk to me about it. I would be interested in your opinion.
With Respect,
Clancy
Clancy much respect hun jackie xxx
