Hi,
I have asked Granny and Jack for advice as they have quite a bit knowledge on the subject.
But I know they are in a different time zone and will only be able to answer me tomorrow.
If anybody is online and have some answers please advice.
My son wants to know if he can be on methadone and still train to become an athlete
He stopped methadone of 30mll a day completely 2 weeks ago and started craving yesterday and started straight away on the 30ml a day yesterday and today. Yesterday he vomited and today he can not stop itching.
I know you had that problem Con.
Please advice.
Lots of love and greatfullness.
Priscilla
I am just jumping in here because I see nobody is around lately. If you ask me, he went off for two weeks, then right back on?....maybe the dose is "too high" now? His tolerance had weakened a bit while off of it? Just guessing here....furthermore, opiates can make you itchy...so does that correlate at all? Also, if you ask me, Wez can go on to be in the olympics for all you know, methadone shouldn't stop that. Let him run with it. Hopefully, the experts on this will be along soon enough. Take care of you, jax
P...yes, he can still be an athlete...no, he is not a methadone addict because he started back on his dose or wanted it.... he probably just needed his dose...it takes a good week or 2 before the methadone is completely out of your system so he just might be feeling the lack of it..and he vomited because his tolerance isnt probably as high as it was....opiates in general, if your not use to them will make you vomit and itch for the first few times or more...heroin makes you itch anyways...itching isn't anything to get upset about ...BUT, he should know better to take the same amount of methadone as he did before...he can OD ...how much did he take ?...he shouldn't just jump back on to the same dose...his body wasn't use to it probably...its like going back out after being clean from dope and doin the same amount you use to do before you got clean...he hasnt got the tolerance...if he is going back on the methadone he should start at a very low dose...and go slow...he shouldn't be jumpin back on it at his old dose...he needs to build his tolerance up again...he doesn't have it...most likely thats why he was sick to his stomach...heroin will do that to you too if you havent used in awhile or are not a regular opiate user...how is now ?...P...he needs to check in with his addiction specialist...not you...he's driving you crazy...let him handle himself...tell him to quit being like he's superman and get real...go to the doc...and get his meds straightened out..your not the doc and he shouldn't be scaring you all the time with all these questions...he can read...tell him to get his butt on the computer and start to read...and to get his butt to his doc....he isn't all cured just because he stopped everything...he needs to get serious about his recovery....your not the addict, he is, and its HIS illness and he needs to learn how to handle it himself.....so, bottom line is probably his tolerance is shot... so don't take anymore...and get his butt to his doc so he can adjust his dose and begin again ...
love ya P...hugs
Con
con
love ya P...hugs
Con
con
Hi jax
Thanks for your advice its been helpfull and you relate to
Wesleys feelings a lot. Please always let us hear yr advise
Its very spot on
Wez does not want to go back on methadone he just
Want to drink it when his craving gets back and he has
Realize he needs to take a smaller dose if he neefs to
Next time
Anyway i am proud of wez for turning his life around
Con my friend dont worry im just doing this because
Wes hasnt got a computor and lol what other excuse
Am i going to have to talk to u guys
Anyway i am having a shoulder operation on monday and
Will only have the use of one arm for 3 weeks but
I will try and still check in now and then
Love u lots
Priscilla
Thanks for your advice its been helpfull and you relate to
Wesleys feelings a lot. Please always let us hear yr advise
Its very spot on
Wez does not want to go back on methadone he just
Want to drink it when his craving gets back and he has
Realize he needs to take a smaller dose if he neefs to
Next time
Anyway i am proud of wez for turning his life around
Con my friend dont worry im just doing this because
Wes hasnt got a computor and lol what other excuse
Am i going to have to talk to u guys
Anyway i am having a shoulder operation on monday and
Will only have the use of one arm for 3 weeks but
I will try and still check in now and then
Love u lots
Priscilla
P.....with all due respect...you seem to only want to listen to whatever you agree with.....your son shouldn't be drinking methadone when he feels like he gets a craving....he's an addict....but you do whatever you want to do with your addict...i said the same things everyone else says and said to you on here but you don't want to hear them from me.... you disagree that wez is on a low dose... doesn't matter that were both across the pond and have similar measurements...you think he can drink methadone whenever he gets the feeling, you refuse to let your son deal with his own stuff and you disregard anything and everything i say these days...i said the exact same thing as jax did ...his tolerance isnt the same...but i guess jax said it better and you decided it was ok for him drink it when he feels like it...jeesh...i gave up trying to explain to you and let everyone else answer you.....you dont acknowledge anyways...whatever...
con
con
Hi con
Im a bit confused the first commemt was to jax
About what wez was doing and the second paragraph
was for u to tell u that i agree and o am only posting on
His behalf and saying what he is saying its his decixion not
Mine i am not getting involve i am just asking excactly
Wjat he ask me to ask and will relay the advise but what
He do with it is his problem
I am so shock that i have no idea.why u re leaching out
At me i never said anything to offend u or that i disagree
With u
Anyway like i said i am in incredible pain and are havinga
A big op on monday so thats all im thinking
sorry con but u misunderstood me completely
Peace
P
Im a bit confused the first commemt was to jax
About what wez was doing and the second paragraph
was for u to tell u that i agree and o am only posting on
His behalf and saying what he is saying its his decixion not
Mine i am not getting involve i am just asking excactly
Wjat he ask me to ask and will relay the advise but what
He do with it is his problem
I am so shock that i have no idea.why u re leaching out
At me i never said anything to offend u or that i disagree
With u
Anyway like i said i am in incredible pain and are havinga
A big op on monday so thats all im thinking
sorry con but u misunderstood me completely
Peace
P
Anyone who needs "urgent advice" on any medication should be talking to a doctor, or in your son's case, an addiction specialist, not to a stranger on an internet board. This board is not a substitute for medical advice. Your son is messing with his medication and that is NEVER a good thing.
It sounds like a true and lasting manic episode...acting school, athlete, self-diagnostics...and all with you right in his pocket, P...the whole thing sounds terribly unhealthy and on its way to a downward spiral.
I hope your surgery leaves you feeling better ~:~M&M
It sounds like a true and lasting manic episode...acting school, athlete, self-diagnostics...and all with you right in his pocket, P...the whole thing sounds terribly unhealthy and on its way to a downward spiral.
I hope your surgery leaves you feeling better ~:~M&M
Wez does not want to go back on methadone he just Wants to drink it when his craving gets back
Priscilla,
It just doesnt work that way- -in your country or any other. Mdone is a medicine that needs to be built up in your system for it to work properly. Therefore you just cant take it when you feel like it- and besides what doctor would let him do such a thing??- - Imagine if he didnt have any cravings for a week, then he did ,so he drank 40 or 50 mgs - - He would be in a dangerous place...
No doctor would ever green light such a method as you describe. I think Con is going in the right direction when she suggests that he take more responsibility for his own recovery. Its wonderful that you support him, but only he knows how he truly feels, only he can explain to the addiction doctor his true physical, and emotional feelings and what he is going through.
Just by the statement above, it sounds to me that he needs to learn a bit more about MMT. Talking it out with a specialist would educate him about this strong medicine a bit more, it certainly counldnt hurt. Talking to you is fine and healthy, but it sounds like you both need to have a plan on how to go about getting Wes physically, mentally, and spiritually on track.
Im flattered that you look to Granny,Con, and myself for suggestions- - but dont forget we arent qualified doctors here, only heroin addicts who all went thru differnt methods of recovery.
All people are differnt, some can go 2 days without a dose- some cant.- Some need to be on a high dose--some a low dose. Mixing others meds with methadone is very tricky, this is another reason we hesitate to give much advise. Wes is on many other meds along with methadone-
I hope you understand, we are all pulling for Wes and you to get thru this trying time- -and I believe you will.
With much peace and respect to you both>
jack
Priscilla,
It just doesnt work that way- -in your country or any other. Mdone is a medicine that needs to be built up in your system for it to work properly. Therefore you just cant take it when you feel like it- and besides what doctor would let him do such a thing??- - Imagine if he didnt have any cravings for a week, then he did ,so he drank 40 or 50 mgs - - He would be in a dangerous place...
No doctor would ever green light such a method as you describe. I think Con is going in the right direction when she suggests that he take more responsibility for his own recovery. Its wonderful that you support him, but only he knows how he truly feels, only he can explain to the addiction doctor his true physical, and emotional feelings and what he is going through.
Just by the statement above, it sounds to me that he needs to learn a bit more about MMT. Talking it out with a specialist would educate him about this strong medicine a bit more, it certainly counldnt hurt. Talking to you is fine and healthy, but it sounds like you both need to have a plan on how to go about getting Wes physically, mentally, and spiritually on track.
Im flattered that you look to Granny,Con, and myself for suggestions- - but dont forget we arent qualified doctors here, only heroin addicts who all went thru differnt methods of recovery.
All people are differnt, some can go 2 days without a dose- some cant.- Some need to be on a high dose--some a low dose. Mixing others meds with methadone is very tricky, this is another reason we hesitate to give much advise. Wes is on many other meds along with methadone-
I hope you understand, we are all pulling for Wes and you to get thru this trying time- -and I believe you will.
With much peace and respect to you both>
jack
I'm counting on all of you knowing and understanding what I meant by "strangers on an internet board". As knowledgeable and wonderful as you all are, this young man needs a doctor's advice, then if he chooses to ignore it that's on him.
Hope you all had an enjoyable Thanksgiving if you are here in the US...and a regular old good day if you are not :)
Peace out, y'all.
Hope you all had an enjoyable Thanksgiving if you are here in the US...and a regular old good day if you are not :)
Peace out, y'all.
Boy I'm glad I am the last one to get here,because all thats been said,I could not of said it any better....
nevergiveupmom,
If Wes was taking...lets say for sake of conversation...insulin for diabetes. He feels fine when he takes it,but has decided he doesnt want to take it anymore and wants to try to control it ,food wise and testing,all on his own. After a few days with no insulin he starts feeling really really sick and instead of going to a doctor about it he decides to do a double or triple shot of insulin to "feel better" and winds up down and out in a diabetic coma possibly....how is that being responsible for himself or his disease?? Denying he has an addiction and trying to "run things" his own way is asking for trouble any way you look at it.
I had a friend when I was 15 yrs old. She was epileptic and she hated it!!! Wanted to be normal like everyone else. It was like pulling teeth to get her to take her pill. Because she often didnt she would have a seizure, once during dinner and another time we were sitting on the bed playing cards.BAM!!! Right off the bed onto the floor.Then she would sleep for like the next 24-48 hours straight and wake up and not remember a thing about it.Where is the responsibility in that?? Just being damn stubborn is what it is.
He is a grown young man and he needs to listen to what people are telling him,and more importantly his doctor.
While I will agree with those that said he could become anything he sets his sites on,even an olympic athlete if thats what he wants,but he needs to come to terms with his disease/addiction and take care of that to the best of his ability,FIRST. Then once that is clear he can go on to bigger and better things,like living life and/or getting a job and fulfilling his dreams.Until you have a good clean hold on your addiction,nothing else will matter,because the addiction will slowly eat away at your hopes and dreams until nothing is left but your bare soul. You have to WANT TO LIVE the clean life or it will take you away from what you want and love over and over again until you finally admit you cannot do it on your own and acknowledge you need someone elses help to get and stay clean.
I hope that makes some sort of sense...
Granny
nevergiveupmom,
If Wes was taking...lets say for sake of conversation...insulin for diabetes. He feels fine when he takes it,but has decided he doesnt want to take it anymore and wants to try to control it ,food wise and testing,all on his own. After a few days with no insulin he starts feeling really really sick and instead of going to a doctor about it he decides to do a double or triple shot of insulin to "feel better" and winds up down and out in a diabetic coma possibly....how is that being responsible for himself or his disease?? Denying he has an addiction and trying to "run things" his own way is asking for trouble any way you look at it.
I had a friend when I was 15 yrs old. She was epileptic and she hated it!!! Wanted to be normal like everyone else. It was like pulling teeth to get her to take her pill. Because she often didnt she would have a seizure, once during dinner and another time we were sitting on the bed playing cards.BAM!!! Right off the bed onto the floor.Then she would sleep for like the next 24-48 hours straight and wake up and not remember a thing about it.Where is the responsibility in that?? Just being damn stubborn is what it is.
He is a grown young man and he needs to listen to what people are telling him,and more importantly his doctor.
While I will agree with those that said he could become anything he sets his sites on,even an olympic athlete if thats what he wants,but he needs to come to terms with his disease/addiction and take care of that to the best of his ability,FIRST. Then once that is clear he can go on to bigger and better things,like living life and/or getting a job and fulfilling his dreams.Until you have a good clean hold on your addiction,nothing else will matter,because the addiction will slowly eat away at your hopes and dreams until nothing is left but your bare soul. You have to WANT TO LIVE the clean life or it will take you away from what you want and love over and over again until you finally admit you cannot do it on your own and acknowledge you need someone elses help to get and stay clean.
I hope that makes some sort of sense...
Granny
Hi
Wow u guys can get intense Lol
All we wanted was advise or i shouldnt have
Called it advise i should call it yr opinion
And yr opinion was that wes should seek medical
Attention which he would but in asking.those
Question gave us a lot of light on the subject
Im a very inquisitive person and seeing that
Im not a drug addict.my son is its nice to know all
This things
Momnmore we have helped me.a lot in the
Beginning when i needed advise for myself
I dont need any advise for myself anymore
I am seeing a pshycologist for that
Wesley has moved out i speak to him once a week
His happy im happy he has asked me to let him fight
His own battles and im doing that
I am sad as i loved talking to u guys and if i can't
Talk about wes.i dont belong on this site
Especially with yr last comment momnmore
It looks like u run this board and there is only place
For u and yr closes friends that has been on posting
On this board for a while
so long everyone
Thanks for all yr suppport
From p
Peace
Half way aroumd the world
Wow u guys can get intense Lol
All we wanted was advise or i shouldnt have
Called it advise i should call it yr opinion
And yr opinion was that wes should seek medical
Attention which he would but in asking.those
Question gave us a lot of light on the subject
Im a very inquisitive person and seeing that
Im not a drug addict.my son is its nice to know all
This things
Momnmore we have helped me.a lot in the
Beginning when i needed advise for myself
I dont need any advise for myself anymore
I am seeing a pshycologist for that
Wesley has moved out i speak to him once a week
His happy im happy he has asked me to let him fight
His own battles and im doing that
I am sad as i loved talking to u guys and if i can't
Talk about wes.i dont belong on this site
Especially with yr last comment momnmore
It looks like u run this board and there is only place
For u and yr closes friends that has been on posting
On this board for a while
so long everyone
Thanks for all yr suppport
From p
Peace
Half way aroumd the world
asking for urgent advice is asking for intense P...this is a heroin and methadone board...urgent can mean life or death here...its not funny...and Wez CAN die on the damn methadone if he doesn't take it properly...this isn't a game....
Con
Con
P, you asked a question for wez and got your answers and didnt like them, thats happened to me plenty of times. it is sad you feel you dont need any input for yourself anymore, i think you may not want to take such offense, you may need all of us sometime. valid points about all of the meds and the occasional use of methadone....p.....I.m sorry but urgent to me wouldnt be vomiting, this has happened to him before when you thought he had the flu, maybe he should talk to the doc about his on and off usage of methadone
I would not presume to tell anyone what they can and cannot talk about on this or any other board, I board-hop all the time and it helped me tremendously, still does...I listened and learned what was mine and what was hers...I try to fix what's mine and when they told me what was NOT mine I paid attention. And as for me running this board, maybe you haven't seen posts I've made where I've been told to simmer down or lighten up, rightfully so...lol...these folks are not afraid to call them like they see them..again, I listened and learned and recognize when they are right and I am wrong.
This is precisely the thinking that will keep you and Wesley from moving forward. A psychologist is a good start, but if you don't want to hear the collective wisdom of the parents who have been where you are, then you are blocking out a valuable recovery tool for yourself. The fact that you only want to talk with recovering addicts is just one more thing that shows how unhealthily you identify with your son's problems while ignoring your own. If you don't want to look at yourself and how your over-involvement has affected your son, no one can force you to do so.
EDITED: P, I truly do understand the difficulty in having all manner of hopes and dreams for your child, even your adult child, and I get how hard it is to have them dashed and then have hope restored, and the excitement of seeing progress and happiness. I had hopes for my girl as well...dreams of graduations, of challenging and fulfilling work in a profession she loves, of weddings and homes and a happy, supportive marriage...but those were MY dreams. Now I have traded those for the joy of seeing my daughter on HER path, making HER choices...sometimes failing and sometimes succeeding...all of it difficult, but also HERS...those successes and failures belong to her and she has grown from owning them. Not knowing where a child begins and a parent ends is hard for them...hard for us...but we need to take ourselves out of the picture and realize that we do them no real favors by placing responsibility for our happiness on them...only being able to feel happy and fulfilled when they are okay in our eyes...what a huge burden for anyone to bear, the responsibility for making or breaking someone else's happiness. And the way we see them, as not okay, as not okay until x or y happens, that can be devastating...now I see my daughter was always just my daughter, with all her addiction and wonderfulness and pain and sickness and potential and inner loveliness...all of it is her, not just the 'bad' parts...her addiction and problems stopped defining her in my eyes...and then she got well.
I wish you both the best, Priscilla, I really do.
Peace ~ M&M
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This is precisely the thinking that will keep you and Wesley from moving forward. A psychologist is a good start, but if you don't want to hear the collective wisdom of the parents who have been where you are, then you are blocking out a valuable recovery tool for yourself. The fact that you only want to talk with recovering addicts is just one more thing that shows how unhealthily you identify with your son's problems while ignoring your own. If you don't want to look at yourself and how your over-involvement has affected your son, no one can force you to do so.
EDITED: P, I truly do understand the difficulty in having all manner of hopes and dreams for your child, even your adult child, and I get how hard it is to have them dashed and then have hope restored, and the excitement of seeing progress and happiness. I had hopes for my girl as well...dreams of graduations, of challenging and fulfilling work in a profession she loves, of weddings and homes and a happy, supportive marriage...but those were MY dreams. Now I have traded those for the joy of seeing my daughter on HER path, making HER choices...sometimes failing and sometimes succeeding...all of it difficult, but also HERS...those successes and failures belong to her and she has grown from owning them. Not knowing where a child begins and a parent ends is hard for them...hard for us...but we need to take ourselves out of the picture and realize that we do them no real favors by placing responsibility for our happiness on them...only being able to feel happy and fulfilled when they are okay in our eyes...what a huge burden for anyone to bear, the responsibility for making or breaking someone else's happiness. And the way we see them, as not okay, as not okay until x or y happens, that can be devastating...now I see my daughter was always just my daughter, with all her addiction and wonderfulness and pain and sickness and potential and inner loveliness...all of it is her, not just the 'bad' parts...her addiction and problems stopped defining her in my eyes...and then she got well.
I wish you both the best, Priscilla, I really do.
Peace ~ M&M
only being able to feel happy and fulfilled when they are okay in our eyes...what a huge burden for anyone to bear, the responsibility for making or breaking someone else's happiness. And the way we see them, as not okay, as not okay until x or y happens, that can be devastating..
That is soooo true....how i wish my own mother had grasped that fact...how i wish she still would...I live and still live probably trying to please her and am so afraid of not doing so...no matter what i do its never right nor good enough....i had to move a million miles away so i could live my own life without the guilt and frustration...and even now...it still hurts...
You are amazing M&M...!
Con
That is soooo true....how i wish my own mother had grasped that fact...how i wish she still would...I live and still live probably trying to please her and am so afraid of not doing so...no matter what i do its never right nor good enough....i had to move a million miles away so i could live my own life without the guilt and frustration...and even now...it still hurts...
You are amazing M&M...!
Con
Hey Con,
I felt the same with my adopted father...Always was looking for his approval, and never ever seemed to do the right thing. Really dumb things would happen and I would called over to his house and be talked to like I was 6. And I would cry like I was 6 too. I hated to disappoint the man in any shape or form.
It got to the point I was getting stress headaches, for YEARS, that were like migraines and I started taking the same medicine my sister took.Fiorinal.I had been given so many kinds of medications over the years and none of them stopped the pain. It was the only medication that did stop the pain (and it is the reason my methadone dose is so high.)
My dad died about 6yrs ago and within weeks of his passing my headaches stopped. How weird is that?Talk about stress headaches??? To this day I have not had one headache that 2 tylenol wont fix.
My sister on the other hand had a mild stroke a few years back, caused by the fiorinal she had been taking, and she died in Feb 2010, at age 53 from a blood clot, caused by the medicine she had to take because of the stroke,which was caused by the headache meds. Does that make sense?
I am just glad I stopped taking the meds before I might have had the same problem.
The way I see it......
If we are living a good honest life and being a good person I really dont give a rats a** if someone doesnt like it. I have made mistakes in my life,,,who hasnt?? If your family is that shallow then to hell with them..and I mean that in a nice way Con.. Dont beat yourself up over spilled milk,ya know???? Life is too damn short to try and please everyone,all the time. Try pleasing yourself once in a while....and you know THATS not what I meant either.. Quack!!!LOL.
I'd better go to bed now before I put my foot in my mouth again....
Take care,
Granny
I felt the same with my adopted father...Always was looking for his approval, and never ever seemed to do the right thing. Really dumb things would happen and I would called over to his house and be talked to like I was 6. And I would cry like I was 6 too. I hated to disappoint the man in any shape or form.
It got to the point I was getting stress headaches, for YEARS, that were like migraines and I started taking the same medicine my sister took.Fiorinal.I had been given so many kinds of medications over the years and none of them stopped the pain. It was the only medication that did stop the pain (and it is the reason my methadone dose is so high.)
My dad died about 6yrs ago and within weeks of his passing my headaches stopped. How weird is that?Talk about stress headaches??? To this day I have not had one headache that 2 tylenol wont fix.
My sister on the other hand had a mild stroke a few years back, caused by the fiorinal she had been taking, and she died in Feb 2010, at age 53 from a blood clot, caused by the medicine she had to take because of the stroke,which was caused by the headache meds. Does that make sense?
I am just glad I stopped taking the meds before I might have had the same problem.
The way I see it......
If we are living a good honest life and being a good person I really dont give a rats a** if someone doesnt like it. I have made mistakes in my life,,,who hasnt?? If your family is that shallow then to hell with them..and I mean that in a nice way Con.. Dont beat yourself up over spilled milk,ya know???? Life is too damn short to try and please everyone,all the time. Try pleasing yourself once in a while....and you know THATS not what I meant either.. Quack!!!LOL.
I'd better go to bed now before I put my foot in my mouth again....
Take care,
Granny
Oh, parents, how they try...right? My father would sit in the living room, watching tv. That's what I remember. On report card day, with pride in my heart and hopes for just a smile from him I would hand him a piece of paper filled with nothing but A's. Of course, as he perused it, I knew what was coming next. "Yeah, that A- in Science could've been an A+ if you would put forth some effort like your sister." He would hand it back to me and give me the-move out of the way, I'm trying to watch the game-motion. Oh, if I could ever just get it right. I'm still fighting to get it right. Only this time, getting it right is doing the opposite of what he did to me, and still does to this day. Con, here's to the black sheep..... baaah baaaahh. Jax
M&M
Impressive edit- -That a difficult about face to make- and admit to. It is a wonderful way to look at things now, and hold no animosity and be part your daughters life- warts ,beauty, all of it-
jack
Impressive edit- -That a difficult about face to make- and admit to. It is a wonderful way to look at things now, and hold no animosity and be part your daughters life- warts ,beauty, all of it-
jack
Well, I'm not a complete hard@ss, y'all ;-)
Con, without going back down that road again...you know exactly what the issue is with your mom and you know it is not 'fixable'...don't keep hoping for those things of which she is incapable...you'll turn blue waiting and you deserve better than she can ever offer you. It truly is her loss, though I get that you feel that loss as well. Anyhow, I think you're wonderful exactly the way you are, and so do plenty of other peeps.
Jax, I wish I could hug you...
Con, without going back down that road again...you know exactly what the issue is with your mom and you know it is not 'fixable'...don't keep hoping for those things of which she is incapable...you'll turn blue waiting and you deserve better than she can ever offer you. It truly is her loss, though I get that you feel that loss as well. Anyhow, I think you're wonderful exactly the way you are, and so do plenty of other peeps.
Jax, I wish I could hug you...
Ya M&M...I know... don't want to tread that again...i know its something that cant be healed or made whole...and it does me no good to try...I understand that in my head...but sometimes my heart still doesn't...but mostly ive accepted it...thanks to you :)
Granni, weird, I had killer migraines right up until i left and came across the pond...24 years ago now...Im glad yours are gone too...
Jax...BAAAAAAAing back...black sheep rock !
Granni, weird, I had killer migraines right up until i left and came across the pond...24 years ago now...Im glad yours are gone too...
Jax...BAAAAAAAing back...black sheep rock !
